India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Rakesh]

Ashleeeeee is in full blown Randi Rona Dhona mode. Enjoy article with popcorn

Posting some gems below....

India’s Great-Power Delusions
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/india/in ... -delusions
17 June 2025

by Ashley J. Tellis

https://x.com/harshmadhusudan/status/19 ... 4197494199 ---> Tellis is out with another jeremiad. Am not linking it. @sreemoytalukdar has already summarised the predictable and unreadable rant in his tweet. ‘India is too weak, too illiberal to realistically push for multipolarity, especially with itself as a pole even in the coming decades. It must become an American neocolony in effect if it wants to balance China etc.’

Here is the deal. The crying and the complaining shows it is working. Whether it is to deflect its own need and guilt with respect to Pakistan (who they may need for Iran this time, not Afghanistan or Central Asia), whether it is to also send a message across to Europe or Japan, whether it is just to blow steam - doesn’t matter.

India is too big, too important, too proud to be anything but its own pole. American statecraft is built on delusions if it assumes anything otherwise. Whether or not Tellis is in the loop, the recent statements of POTUS and GOP senators like Graham shows it’s not just a left-liberal or neocon or MAGA issue. It is a structural issue.

And the contradictions will heighten before they resolve themselves.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/harshmadhusudan/status/19 ... 4197494199 ---> @sreemoytalukdar has already summarised the predictable and unreadable rant in his tweet.

https://x.com/sreemoytalukdar/status/19 ... 8623159318 ---> So, about this piece by Ashley Tellis which no doubt we shall be arguing over for the next few days. First, it needn't have been so long, because the essential points are few. I shall ignore Tellis's bitter rant against the democratically elected BJP govt because liberal animosity against 'Hindu nationalism' can't be cured or addressed. Tellis neither understands Hindutva, nor does he wish to. His bad faith arguments, fake allegations and plain lies deserve contempt, not serious consideration. Suffice to say that Tellis fundamentally contradicts himself over his thesis that India will have "less global influence" due to its "illiberal trajectory".

First, it is a piece of disinformation. Second, it is a bad argument. If "illiberalism" caused "less global influence" then China wouldn't have been America's peer competitor. This non-sequitur apart, the more serious argument by Tellis is that India should not be expecting America's strategic altruism if it pushes for multipolarity. That's A Threat. I am not sure that Tellis is in a position to issue such a threat because he is a fossil in the current American disposition. Even if we take for granted that Tellis is speaking for the American establishment, it is not clear why the Americans want Indians to behave like their colony.

India will never be interested in a hub-and-spoke alliance framework, but if EVEN IF IT WAS, nothing is on the table or likely to be. America never offered NATO membership to India, or even AUKUS, leave alone including India in the Anglo-Saxon intelligence network by virtue of being a fellow democracy. Tellis and his ilk are ignited over India's independent foreign policy and maintenance of ties with Russia, but are we supposed to gloss over America's continued patronage of Pakistan, for instance, a country that poses a grave national security threat for India?'

It is the Democratic political establishment, that Tellis owes allegiance to, that inserted a hostile regime in India's backyard in Bangladesh. Should we ignore these acts of mischief? Let Tellis and the establishment he represents be in no shred of doubt that India sees United States not as a benevolent/altruistic actor but a transactional power, one that seeks to control the levers of India's rise. And Tellis must spare us the nonsense over "values". We know what American values are.

[Vayutuvan]

Trolls Apart
...

Anybody who is non-partisan should not feel trolled irrespective of emojis or lack there off.
Also everybody has to define for themselves what is "the business at hand".

Some people think that current affairs is most important. But I would say that they are no different from those tactically brilliant paki jarnails and musharrafs.

[A_Gupta]

This dichotomy between nationalism and democracy is a fake one. There is also a dichotomy in the views of the BJP leadership and of the rank and file.

E.g., if PM Modi bristled like the aam BJP-member with anti-Muslim sentiment, PM Modi could not have led India to the best relations with the Gulf States ever. Likewise PM Modi does not slander the Constitution and remains ever reverent of Mahatma Gandhi.

But as long as anti-Muslim sentiment in aam-BJP does not lead to violence or discrimination in implementation of development programs, all should be fine.

[m_saini]

But as long as anti-Muslim sentiment in aam-BJP does not lead to violence or discrimination in implementation of development programs, all should be fine.

What's this anti-muslim sentiment exactly? What leads you to believe there's a "anti-Muslim" sentiment in "aam-BJP"?

Also is this statement

...all should be fine.

supposed to be a threat?

[A_Gupta]

What's this anti-muslim sentiment exactly? What leads you to believe there's a "anti-Muslim" sentiment in "aam-BJP"?

Long experience and observation.

.......all should be fine.

Is not a threat. It is just an observation that as long as prejudice is not expressed in impactful ways, the prejudice will eventually fade away.

[Amber G.]

Trolls Apart
What is happening in Kaneda??
Trump leaves end of first day.
He doesnt wait to sign the declaration but has time to sign a deal with Bratanistan!!
NaMo attends Tuesday in abscence of Trump
What is happening to Ab Ki Baar ..... Sarkar!!!
I...

Donald Trump to meet Pakistan Army Chief Field Marshal Asim Munir for lunch at 1pm local time today in Cabinet Room of The White House.. .

[Manish_P]

...
Donald Trump to meet Pakistan Army Chief Field Marshal Asim Munir for lunch at 1pm local time today in Cabinet Room of The White House.. .

Don't worry, Amber G Ji. The field marshallah will come dressed appropriately - smartly suited and polished booted.

[m_saini]

Long experience and observation.

okay makes sense, it sounded like you were stating that 'as a matter of fact'. It's just your personal opinion.

Is not a threat. It is just an observation that as long as prejudice is not expressed in impactful ways, the prejudice will eventually fade away.

Sorry i'm not sure i understand. You were talking about "anti-muslim sentiment" but now it's "prejudice"? which one is it? Which one have you observed in your 'long experience'?
Also, may i ask how many "aam-BJP" members you know? rough ballpark?

[krithivas]

Ashley Tellis the Brown Sahib.

Or as Rajiv Malhotra exquisitely stated, “a brown sepoy”. The 21st century version of Gunga Din.

[chetak]

....

Rakesh saar,

this is from the SM, from a forward that came to me some time ago

If you call a NATO country a terror haven, stare down the CCP, buy as much Russian oil as you want, water down western points for the G20 statement, bankrupt pakistan, are a nuclear/space power and the world's largest polity, soon to be the 3rd largest GDP: you already are a great power.

what the goras fear is the "what more" that is to come, and they all know that lots more is to come, with or without their say so or cooperation.

tellis has always come across a house nig*er who is keen to recruit other house nig*ers for his masters

too bad that a company like the tatas have seen fit to fund and support this guy.

as far as India is concerned, he leaves a bad taste where ever he goes because he ignores, or is paid to forget, that the Indian civilizational state has had the most bitter taste of colonialism ever inflicted by the abrahamics, it made for a coercive, malicious relationship between politically, culturally, religiously and economically engaged societies which allowed domination and enslavement by foreign powers who, for centuries have always considered us as inferiors, and even today we are viewed by them through this prism of inequality by those very colonizers who refuse to accept the geopolitical, geo-economic, and military reality of a nuclear India that stares them in the face.

[Vayutuvan]

Trolls Apart
...

Anybody who is non-partisan should feel trolled irrespective of emojis or lack there off.
Also everybody has to define for themselves what is "the business at hand".

Some people think that current affairs is most important. But I would say that they are no different from those tactically brilliant paki jarnails and musharrafs.

... non-partisan should NOT feel trolled...

[Cyrano]

If you feel trolled everytime a contrary opinion is put across then you have no business pontificating on BRF or other SM

[williams]

India will never be interested in a hub-and-spoke alliance framework, but if EVEN IF IT WAS, nothing is on the table or likely to be. America never offered NATO membership to India, or even AUKUS, leave alone including India in the Anglo-Saxon intelligence network by virtue of being a fellow democracy. Tellis and his ilk are ignited over India's independent foreign policy and maintenance of ties with Russia, but are we supposed to gloss over America's continued patronage of Pakistan, for instance, a country that poses a grave national security threat for India?'

Basically we have many people like Tellis who look at US - India relationship with a colonized mind. US is selling their engines for a price. We are paying for it. Where is US giving technology here? On the top of it, we have signed many 3 letter and 4 letter agreements in spite of insincerity shown by the other side. Basically what Tellis wants is India to sell herself to US interests and not care about Indian interests. We have seen how countries get dumped by America when they pursue the so called "liberal" relationship.

[SRajesh]

Bhailog
Dont take it out on me!!!
I am just an AAM Admi on Dharthi lok stuck between : Vayu and Jal!!!
Mea Culpa for bringing in Trolls
Maaf kar do
I will send them to alternate Universe
I am desperately trying to open the Window!!

[chetak]

President Trump invited PM @narendramodi to the US on his way back from Canada after the G7 Summit.

PM Modi politely declined the invitation due to his pre-existing commitments

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 923870.cms

India’s Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri said Prime Minister @narendramodi had a telephonic conversation with US President #DonaldTrump, which lasted approximately 35 minutes.

https://x.com/DDNewslive/status/1935181 ... 14/video/1

During the discussion, PM Modi briefed President Trump about #OperationSindoor. PM Modi told President Trump that no topics related to trade were discussed in connection with Operation Sindoor. He also reiterated that India has never accepted third-party mediation and will not accept such mediation in the future.

Furthermore, PM Modi emphasised that India will now treat acts of terrorism not as proxy actions but as acts of war.




Rough transcript of FS’s statement on conversation between PM Modi and President Trump:


प्रधानमंत्री मोदी और राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप की मुलाकात G7 summit की sidelines पर होनी तय थी।

राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप को जल्दी वापस अमेरिका लौटना पड़ा,
जिसके कारण यह मुलाकात नहीं हो पाई।

इसके बाद,
राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप के आग्रह पर, आज दोनों लीडर्स की फोन पर बात हुई।

बातचीत लगभग 35 मिनट चली।

22 अप्रैल को पहलगाम आतंकी हमले के बाद राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप ने फोन पर प्रधानमंत्री मोदी को शोक संवेदना प्रकट की थी और आतंक के खिलाफ़ समर्थन व्यक्त किया था।

उसके बाद दोनों लीडर्स की यह पहली बातचीत थी।

इसलिए प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप से ऑपरेशन सिंदूर के बारे में विस्तार से बात की।

प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप को स्पष्ट रूप से कहा कि 22 अप्रैल के बाद भारत ने आतंकवाद के खिलाफ कार्रवाई करने का अपना दृढ़ संकल्प पूरी दुनिया को बता दिया था।

प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने कहा कि 6-7 मई की रात को भारत ने पाकिस्तान और पाकिस्तान occupied कश्मीर में सिर्फ़ आतंकी ठिकानों को ही निशाना बनाया था।

भारत के एक्शन बहुत ही measured, precise, और non-escalatory थे.

साथ ही, भारत ने यह भी स्पष्ट कर दिया था, कि पाकिस्तान की गोली का जवाब भारत गोले से देगा।

9 मई की रात को उपराष्ट्रपति Vance ने प्रधानमंत्री मोदी को फोन किया था।

उपराष्ट्रपति Vance ने कहा था कि पाकिस्तान भारत पर बड़ा हमला कर सकता है।

प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने उन्हें साफ़ शब्दों में बताया था कि यदि ऐसा होता है, तो भारत पाकिस्तान को उससे भी बड़ा जवाब देगा।

9-10 मई की रात को पाकिस्तान के हमले का भारत ने बहुत सशक्त जवाब दिया, और पाकिस्तान की सेना को बहुत नुकसान पहुंचाया।

उसके मिलिटरी एयरबेसस को inoperable बना दिया.

भारत के मुहतोड़ जवाब के कारण पाकिस्तान को भारत से सैन्य कारवाई रोकने का आग्रह करना पड़ा।

प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप को स्पष्ट रूप से कहा कि इस पूरे घटनाक्रम के दौरान कभी भी, किसी भी स्तर पर, भारत-अमेरिका ट्रेड डील या अमरीका द्वारा भारत और पाकिस्तान के बीच मध्यस्थता जैसे विषयों पर
बात नहीं हुई थी।

सैन्य कारवाई रोकने की बात सीधे भारत और पाकिस्तान के बीच, दोनों सेनाओं की existing channels के माध्यम से हुई थी, और पाकिस्तान के ही आग्रह पर हुई थी.

प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने जोर दे कर कहा कि भारत ने न तो कभी मध्यस्थता स्वीकार की थी, न करता है, और न ही कभी करेगा।

इस विषय पर भारत में पूर्ण रूप से राजनैतिक एकमत है।

राष्ट्रपति ट्रम्प ने प्रधानमंत्री द्वारा विस्तार में बताई गई बातों को समझा और आतंकवाद के खिलाफ भारत की लडाई के प्रति समर्थन व्यक्त किया.

प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने यह भी कहा कि भारत अब आतंकवाद को proxy war नहीं, युद्ध के रूप में ही देखता है, और भारत का ऑपरेशन सिंदूर अभी भी जारी है।

राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप ने प्रधानमंत्री मोदी से पूछा कि क्या वे कनाडा से वापसी में अमेरिका रुक कर जा सकते हैं।

पूर्व-निर्धारित कार्यक्रमों के कारण, प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने अपनी असमर्थता व्यक्त की।

दोनों लीडर्स ने तब तय किया कि वे निकट भविष्य में मिलने का प्रयास करेंगे।

राष्ट्रपति ट्रंप और प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने इजरायल-ईरान के बीच चल रहे संघर्ष पर भी चर्चा की.

रूस-यूक्रेन conflict पर दोनों ने सहमति जतायी कि जल्द से जल्द शांति के लिए, दोनों पक्षों में सीधी बातचीत आवश्यक है, और इसके लिए प्रयास करते रहना चाहिए.

इंडो-pacific क्षेत्र के संबंध में दोनों नेताओ ने अपने परिपेक्ष साझा किये. और इस क्षेत्र में QUAD की अहम भूमिका के प्रति समर्थन जताया.

QUAD की अगली बैठक के लिए, प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने
राष्ट्रपति ट्रम्प को भारत यात्रा का निमंत्रण दिया.

राष्ट्रपति ट्रम्प ने निमंत्रण स्वीकार करते हुए कहा कि वे भारत आने के लिए उत्सुक हैं.

[Rakesh]

President Trump invited PM @narendramodi to the US on his way back from Canada after the G7 Summit.

PM Modi politely declined the invitation due to his pre-existing commitments

https://x.com/sreemoytalukdar/status/19 ... 6540831982 ---> Trump has little regard for the core tenets of India's national security or redlines over Kashmir. After trying to steal credit for India-Pakistan ceasefire, Trump wanted to bring Munir and Modi, one army chief and a thrice-elected leader of world's largest democracy, at the White House to "score" a victory. Trump wanted to show to his MAGA base how he can pull off the impossible by bringing two warring leaders (inside Trump's big brain, there's no difference between a democratically elected leader and an army chief) on his table, reinforce his image as a "peacemaker" and making his case forcefully for a Nobel. Trump frequently complaints that "no one gives me credit". Everything that Trump does should be interpreted through the MAGA lens. There's no grand plan beyond the immediate impulse.

[A_Gupta]

QUAD की अगली बैठक के लिए, प्रधानमंत्री मोदी ने
राष्ट्रपति ट्रम्प को भारत यात्रा का निमंत्रण दिया.

राष्ट्रपति ट्रम्प ने निमंत्रण स्वीकार करते हुए कहा कि वे भारत आने के लिए उत्सुक हैं.

US Prez Donald Trump accepts PM Modi's invite to the upcoming QUAD summit
https://www.business-standard.com/news- ... 274_1.html

[A_Gupta]

> Everything that Trump does should be interpreted through the MAGA lens. There's no grand plan beyond the immediate impulse

I think Trump likes to be in the midst of large adoring crowds, even if they are really there for Modi.

[saip]

Looks like Failed Marshal wangled a meet with Trump (even lunch). Obviously Trump will tell him, he will use Pak to bomb Iran whether he likes or not.

[Mort Walker]

President Trump invited PM @narendramodi to the US on his way back from Canada after the G7 Summit.

PM Modi politely declined the invitation due to his pre-existing commitments

https://x.com/sreemoytalukdar/status/19 ... 6540831982 ---> Trump has little regard for the core tenets of India's national security or redlines over Kashmir. After trying to steal credit for India-Pakistan ceasefire, Trump wanted to bring Munir and Modi, one army chief and a thrice-elected leader of world's largest democracy, at the White House to "score" a victory. Trump wanted to show to his MAGA base how he can pull off the impossible by bringing two warring leaders (inside Trump's big brain, there's no difference between a democratically elected leader and an army chief) on his table, reinforce his image as a "peacemaker" and making his case forcefully for a Nobel. Trump frequently complaints that "no one gives me credit". Everything that Trump does should be interpreted through the MAGA lens. There's no grand plan beyond the immediate impulse.

Trump was trying to ambush Modi by arranging a meeting with Munir. I think Trump should be disinvited for the Quad meeting. If the US gets involved in the Iran war. Half of MAGA base will abandon him.

[Dilbu]

If invited to Quad meeting it is almost certain that Trump will go to TSP straight from India to do an equal-equal.

[gakakkad]

If invited to Quad meeting it is almost certain that Trump will go to TSP straight from India to do an equal-equal.

Seems like that was already ruled out before .

[Rakesh]

Trump was trying to ambush Modi by arranging a meeting with Munir. I think Trump should be disinvited for the Quad meeting. If the US gets involved in the Iran war. Half of MAGA base will abandon him.

NaMo already invited him for the Quad meet and Trump accepted.

[Rakesh]

India will never accept mediation, Modi tells Trump
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 707440.ece
19 June 2025

India does not and will never accept mediation by the United States, Prime Minister Narendra Modi told U.S. President Donald Trump directly, said Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri on Wednesday, saying Mr. Modi had dismissed Mr. Trump’s claims over Operation Sindoor in clear terms during a 35-minute telephone call. However, a few hours later, Mr. Trump repeated his claims, even adding that Mr. Modi and Pakistan Army Chief General Asim Munir had been “helpful” in “stopping the war”. In a televised statement from the Prime Minister’s plane ‘India 1’, Mr. Misri said the call was requested by Mr. Trump, after a meeting between the two leaders was cancelled as the U.S. President left the G7 summit a day early due to the Israel-Iran conflict.

Mr. Misri said Mr. Trump invited Mr. Modi to Washington on his way back from Canada, which the Prime Minister declined as he was travelling to Croatia after attending the G7 outreach session in Canada. The invitation from President Trump was particularly significant as General Munir was in Washington and scheduled to have lunch with him on Wednesday, a White House advisory had said. “Mr. Modi firmly stated that India does not and will never accept mediation. There is complete political consensus in India on this matter,” Mr. Misri said, indicating the criticism from the Opposition parties over Mr. Trump’s allegations, and the government’s desire to end the speculation once and for all.

India does not and will never accept mediation by the United States, Prime Minister Narendra Modi told U.S. President Donald Trump directly, said Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri on Wednesday, saying Mr. Modi had dismissed Mr. Trump’s claims over Operation Sindoor in clear terms during a 35-minute telephone call. However, a few hours later, Mr. Trump repeated his claims, even adding that Mr. Modi and Pakistan Army Chief General Asim Munir had been “helpful” in “stopping the war”.

In a televised statement from the Prime Minister’s plane ‘India 1’, Mr. Misri said the call was requested by Mr. Trump, after a meeting between the two leaders was cancelled as the U.S. President left the G7 summit a day early due to the Israel-Iran conflict. Mr. Misri said Mr. Trump invited Mr. Modi to Washington on his way back from Canada, which the Prime Minister declined as he was travelling to Croatia after attending the G7 outreach session in Canada. The invitation from President Trump was particularly significant as General Munir was in Washington and scheduled to have lunch with him on Wednesday, a White House advisory had said. “Mr. Modi firmly stated that India does not and will never accept mediation. There is complete political consensus in India on this matter,” Mr. Misri said, indicating the criticism from the Opposition parties over Mr. Trump’s allegations, and the government’s desire to end the speculation once and for all.

Fight Against Terror

“Prime Minister Modi clearly conveyed to President Trump that at no point during this entire sequence of events was there any discussion, at any level, on an India-U.S. trade deal, or any proposal for a mediation by the U.S. between India and Pakistan,” he added, saying Mr. Trump “listened carefully to the points conveyed by the Prime Minister and expressed his support towards India’s fight against terrorism.” Speaking to reporters outside the White House a few hours later, however, Mr. Trump said he had in fact “stopped the war”.

“I stopped a war between Pakistan and India,” the U.S. President said when asked what he hoped to achieve from the meeting with General Munir. “This man [Munir] was extremely influential in stopping it from the Pakistan side, Modi from the India side and others. They were going at it and they are both nuclear countries,” he added, saying he “loved Pakistan” and “[PM] Modi is a fantastic man” he would conclude a trade deal with. A White House spokesperson said Mr. Trump had decided to invite Gen Munir to lunch after the Pakistani Army chief suggested the Nobel Peace prize should be given to the U.S. President for his role in the 4-day India Pakistan conflict.

The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) did not respond to Mr. Trump’s latest comments, which he has repeated more than a dozen times despite denials from New Delhi, over the past six weeks since Operation Sindoor began with India’s strikes on Pakistan on May 7. Mr. Trump had repeatedly claimed credit for the ceasefire on May 10, saying he had averted a “nuclear conflict” between India and Pakistan using trade as a leverage, and both U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick have officially repeated the claims.

In his statement onboard the Prime Minister's aircraft, Mr. Misri said the two leaders had also discussed the ongoing conflict between Israel and Iran and called for a “direct dialogue” between Russia and Ukraine. He said Mr. Modi extended an invitation to Mr. Trump to visit India for the Quad summit, expected to be held in November this year, and that the U.S. President accepted the same.

[A_Gupta]

A White House spokesperson said Mr. Trump had decided to invite Gen Munir to lunch after the Pakistani Army chief suggested the Nobel Peace prize should be given to the U.S. President for his role in the 4-day India Pakistan conflict.

This is so weird it is almost not true.

The Nobel Peace Prize is determined by the Norwegian Parliament. I think that Norway, if it plays its cards right, can get zero tariffs and even a cut of the tariffs the US government collects from other countries.

[Jarita]

A White House spokesperson said Mr. Trump had decided to invite Gen Munir to lunch after the Pakistani Army chief suggested the Nobel Peace prize should be given to the U.S. President for his role in the 4-day India Pakistan conflict.

This is so weird it is almost not true.

The only parallel I can find in India is Mr Pappu

[Amber G.]

India will never accept mediation, Modi tells Trump
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Few comments/sorry if these are posted before :

Vikram Misri’s this video is a master class in diplomacy. One should watch it again and again. Beginning with Donald Trump.

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Prime Minister Modi and President Trump were scheduled to meet on the sidelines of the G7 Summit. However, President Trump had to return to the U.S. early, due to which this meeting could not take place.

After this, at the request of President Trump, both leaders spoke over a phone call today. The conversation lasted approximately 35 minutes.

President Trump had expressed his condolences to Prime Minister Modi over a phone call after the terrorist attack in Pahalgam on April 22. And he also expressed his support against terrorism. This was the first conversation between the two leaders since.

Hence, Prime Minister Modi spoke in detail about Operation Sindoor with President Trump.

Prime Minister Modi told President Trump in clear terms that after April 22, India had conveyed its determination to take action against terrorism to the whole world. Prime Minister Modi said that on the night of May 6-7, India had only targeted the terrorist camps and hideouts in Pakistan and Pakistan occupied Kashmir. India’s actions were very measured, precise, and non-escalatory. India had also made it clear that any act of aggression from Pakistan would be met with a stronger response.

On the night of May 9, Vice President Vance had made a phone call to Prime Minister Modi. Vice President Vance had conveyed that Pakistan may launch a major attack on India. Prime Minister Modi had conveyed to him in clear terms that if such an action were to occur, India would respond with an even stronger response.

On the night of May 9-10, India gave a strong and decisive response to Pakistan’s attack, inflicting significant damage on the Pakistani military. Their military airbases were rendered inoperable. Due to India’s firm action, Pakistan was compelled to request a cessation of military operations.

Prime Minister Modi clearly conveyed to President Trump that at no point during this entire sequence of events was there any discussion, at any level, on an India-U.S. Trade Deal, or any proposal for a mediation by the U.S. between India and Pakistan. The discussion to cease military action took place directly between India and Pakistan through the existing channels of communication between the two armed forces, and it was initiated at Pakistan's request. Prime Minister Modi firmly stated that India does not and will never accept mediation. There is complete political consensus in India on this matter.

President Trump listened carefully to the points conveyed by the Prime Minister and expressed his support towards India’s fight against terrorism. Prime Minister Modi also stated that India no longer views terrorism as a proxy war, but as a war itself, and that India’s Operation Sindoor is still ongoing.

President Trump enquired if Prime Minister Modi could stop over in the U.S. on his way back from Canada. Due to prior commitments, Prime Minister Modi expressed his inability to do so. Both leaders agreed to make efforts to meet in the near future.

President Trump and Prime Minister Modi also discussed the ongoing conflict between Israel and Iran. Both leaders agreed that for peace in the Russia - Ukraine conflict, direct dialogue between the two parties is essential, and continued efforts should be made to facilitate this.

With regard to the Indo-Pacific region, both leaders shared their perspectives and expressed their support towards the significant role of QUAD in the region. Prime Minister Modi extended an invitation to President Trump to visit India for the next QUAD Summit. President Trump accepted the invitation and said that he is looking forward to visiting India.

Kananaskis
June 17, 2025

[Amber G.]

This is so weird it is almost not true.

somebody sent me this:
Donald Trump with Asim Munir in White House

[Amber G.]

From ex ambassador of Pakistan to US (His book 'Magnificent Delusions': "about an Indian Prime Minister dealing with U.S. pressure, in 1971"

[A_Gupta]

Yawn quoting Kugelman about the Munir-Trump meeting:

Meanwhile, Michael Kugelman, a Washington-based South Asia analyst, emphasised that the meeting should not be seen only in the context of the Iran-Israel conflict.

“There’s been US-Pak engagement on critical minerals, crypto, counterterrorism. Trump takes a deep personal interest in all of these. And Munir is empowered to talk about it all. Also, Kashmir.”

[chetak]

President Trump invited PM @narendramodi to the US on his way back from Canada after the G7 Summit.

PM Modi politely declined the invitation due to his pre-existing commitments

https://x.com/sreemoytalukdar/status/19 ... 6540831982 ---> Trump has little regard for the core tenets of India's national security or redlines over Kashmir. After trying to steal credit for India-Pakistan ceasefire, Trump wanted to bring Munir and Modi, one army chief and a thrice-elected leader of world's largest democracy, at the White House to "score" a victory. Trump wanted to show to his MAGA base how he can pull off the impossible by bringing two warring leaders (inside Trump's big brain, there's no difference between a democratically elected leader and an army chief) on his table, reinforce his image as a "peacemaker" and making his case forcefully for a Nobel. Trump frequently complaints that "no one gives me credit". Everything that Trump does should be interpreted through the MAGA lens. There's no grand plan beyond the immediate impulse.

Rakesh ji,

It looked more like a trap or ambush, especially with failed marshal being invited to the WH for "lunch"

Assuming that Modiji had accepted this highly irregular and somewhat demeaning "invitation", what if trumpwa had treated Modi ji like he had treated that ukrainian guy or the south african guy

it would have created one hell of a mess and caused a permanent rift, one that would have perhaps taken several decades to recover from, benefitting only the cheen and her allies like the pakis, beedis, whatever, including the BIF

Of course, Modi ji is far too savvy to be caught out like that, but the grandstanding scenario is not beyond this unpredictable and megalomaniac trumpwa. Just saying onlee

It appears that trumpwa has great need of the pakis right now and it is connected to the eyeraaniaan dust up, and for that he needs India to be really quiet and cooperative, even to the extent of accommodating the paki demands.

the israelis and trumpwa are in cahoots and trumpwa calling for "total surrender" from "supreme leader" khamenei is only adding tons of fuel to the raging fire. It looks like a regime change process is underway.

The rest of the world is mostly very quiet, especially the gelfies.

the cheen are clearly worried because they now source a lot of their oil from eyeraan.

A regime change now, or even supply disruptions could make life very difficult for "supreme leader" eleven, as his own future seems balanced on a knife's edge

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
Trumpwa and Deep state are trying to claw back the US and Western MIC supremacy after the pasting of Jihadi's in May 2025
Look at the statements from DJT:
1. Claiming US weapons are superior (in the light of Eyeranian hits)
2. Threatening the Ayotullah that we can hit you
And now he/they is/are sending out another message:
1. No face to Face meeting with NaMo
2. Invite Jihadi Leader to White House
3. State that both nations are Nuclear Power (giving credence to a failed state with WMD and not doing anything about it!!)
4. And also messaging our planners that all the the bums are safe in Jihadi land despite your hits on Kirana and Nur Khan!!
5. And lastly maybe assuring Jihadiland that after Eyeran Unkil will put a hold on Isreal and aks them not go after Jihadi (given Bibi's old statement that after Eyeran its Jihadi's turn to be hit!!)

[chetak]

Chetakji
Trumpwa and Deep state are trying to claw back the US and Western MIC supremacy after the pasting of Jihadi's in May 2025
Look at the statements from DJT:
1. Claiming US weapons are superior (in the light of Eyeranian hits)
2. Threatening the Ayotullah that we can hit you
And now he/they is/are sending out another message:
1. No face to Face meeting with NaMo
2. Invite Jihadi Leader to White House
3. State that both nations are Nuclear Power (giving credence to a failed state with WMD and not doing anything about it!!)
4. And also messaging our planners that all the the bums are safe in Jihadi land despite your hits on Kirana and Nur Khan!!
5. And lastly maybe assuring Jihadiland that after Eyeran Unkil will put a hold on Isreal and aks them not go after Jihadi (given Bibi's old statement that after Eyeran its Jihadi's turn to be hit!!)

SRajesh ji,

the pakis are useful idiots for the amrikis, clowns that are for sale and are easily bought as well, and amrika needs them right now as the tensions continue to peak between eyeraan and israel. there is also the grim possibility that amrika may also have to enter the fray

note how the amrikis have completely shut out the so called civilian govt, no pretence, no subterfuge, just showing the "elected" paki govt their aukat in front of the whole world while legitimizing a common thug like this failed marshal with a potus administered bj

besides, the stain of the pakis conspiring against another fellow jihadi nation will not wash away so easily

[nits]

US could hand over Iran's nuclear supplies to Pak: Former official

Former Pentagon official and a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, Michael Rubin, has said that United States forces need to enter Iran and eradicate its nuclear program and said that it is a possibility that Pakistan could receive Iran's nuclear supplies after the cessation of hostilities.

However, he called for not paying Pakistan for cooperation or for receiving Iranian nuclear-enriched material.

Speaking to ANI, Rubin called Iran and Pakistan 'competitors' despite the two nations cooperating sometimes.

[chetak]

balak buddhi at soros-huma Wedding

[sanjaykumar]

Huma has an interesting physiognomy.

[chetak]

Huma has an interesting physiognomy.

sanjaykumar ji,


he's 38 and she's 47 and a paki

[bala]

balak buddhi at soros-huma Wedding

The joie-de-vivre displayed by the candy princeling is quite telling. He normally has a scowl in India but as soon as he reaches videshi he reverts to living like a normal human specie. Soreass clan must have paid for his first class ticket and neverwho suit.

BTW I don't know how long Sorass Jr and Huma will last together.

[chetak]

balak buddhi at soros-huma Wedding

The joie-de-vivre displayed by the candy princeling is quite telling. He normally has a scowl in India but as soon as he reaches videshi he reverts to living like a normal human specie. Soreass clan must have paid for his first class ticket and neverwho suit.

BTW I don't know how long Sorass Jr and Huma will last together.

bala saar,


that's why she looks much more happier.

alimony will come up at some stage.

joie-de-vivre it is.

pappu has no option, he is a minor vassal, paying tribute to his master

and the presents would have cost a bomb, presents that some one else has paid for, per the ghundhy mafia tradition

BTW, the thought just occurred to me, could this be an AI generated image