Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[madhu]

Iran Says Pakistan Will Drop Nuclear Bomb On Israel If It Nukes Tehran; Islamabad Denies

Pakistan has conveyed to Iran that if Israel nukes Tehran, Islamabad will launch a nuclear weapon against the Jewish country, Iran’s top general claimed during an interview with the nation’s state television. However, Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khawaja Asif denied the statement, claiming Islamabad has not made any such commitment.

not sure who is playing whom. Iran has been showing the world that its not Islamic bomb. But the question i have is, did Pak tell this? or if Iran presumed based on what pak claim "Islamic bomb". If Iran thought pak's bomb is "Islamic bomb" are they so stupid, because the bomb if they have is not Islamic bomb its a Sunni bomb which will not be used for Shia Iran. Or is it to show world the double standard followed by Israel or US for not allowing Iran to make bomb but allowed pak to make one? if so then whats the use as whole world (west) is with US.

[Aditya_V]

It shows desperation from Iran, hoping Pakis open their mouth and the Arabs will rally for their help under the Islamic cause.

[Agasthi]

L&G's, When the PM in his May 12 speech said India will no longer differentiate between Pak govt and the terrorist orgs. operating on their soil. I understood that to mean we will start with their military first. What form will that take? Seeing what Israel is doing, will it be something similar where a paki jernail finds a BrahMos or a Spike between his cheeks or more benign attacks say paki parliament?

[jrjrao]

"In total, the Pakistan Air Force reportedly lost "well over a dozen aircraft," according to French sources."

From the June 12 edition of the French L'Opinion

Summary header:

The Facts - Following a terrorist attack in Kashmir, India and Pakistan clashed for four days early last month. New Delhi's air force dealt its adversary heavy blows, but it completely lost the information war.

Obsessed with military secrecy, the Indians did not see it coming and did not know how to react to the media campaign that was immediately deployed on pro-Pakistan social networks.

Full text

Six weeks after the air battle between India and Pakistan, which saw the loss of a Rafale on the night of May 6-7, some new information is beginning to filter through. First, the destruction of a Rafale—a first in combat—has been confirmed, even if the Indian authorities do not acknowledge it. However, the Pakistani claim that three Rafales were shot down is propaganda. The precise causes of the aircraft's loss are not known with certainty, but the possibility of a Chinese-made PL-15 missile strike is being seriously considered. "The Indians haven't communicated, so we don't know exactly what happened," admits Eric Trappier, CEO of Dassault-Aviation, in the weekly magazine Challenges. Similarly, French aviators have had great difficulty obtaining information.

It is known that all Indian pilots returned safely to their base, including the pilot of the destroyed Rafale, who was able to eject. It has also been learned that during the previous clashes between the two countries in 2019, the Indian Air Force lost a Mirage 2000 in combat. Since the 1950s, New Delhi has been a customer of Dassault, which has sold it Ouragans, Mirage 2000s, and now Rafales.

The loss of one of them completely obscured the Indian successes in the media. Experts consider this confrontation to be the largest air battle in decades, with more than a hundred aircraft involved in total: 40 to 50 on the Pakistani side and more than 60 for the Indians. Fearing an escalation between the two nuclear powers, the latter did not want to play the "surprise and lightning" card, as they had done in 2019: they reportedly warned Pakistan of the day (but not the time) of this attack, which only targeted terrorist sites hosted on its soil.

Risk. The Pakistan Air Force therefore had time to prepare. It was a high risk for the pilots, justified in New Delhi for political reasons. During the night, all targets were accurately hit by the first wave of attacks, although three had initially been deemed necessary. The munitions used by the Indian Rafales were also of French origin: Scalp cruise missiles and AASM glide bombs.

After this first strike, fighting continued on May 8, 9, and 10. In response to the Pakistani response, the Indian Air Force attacked military sites: air defenses, radars, command centers, and air bases. In total, the Pakistan Air Force reportedly lost "well over a dozen aircraft," according to French sources. "India's total victory at the tactical and operational levels contrasts with its complete failure in strategic communication. The Indians have lost the information war," noted those close to the case. Obsessed with military secrecy, the Indians failed to see this coming and were unable to react to the media campaign that immediately unfolded on pro-Pakistan social media, amplified by "the Russian, Chinese, and Iranian spheres," French specialists noted, as L'Opinion explained on May 30. Despite the loss of a Rafale and likely another Russian-made aircraft, the Indian army demonstrated its military expertise, especially since it accepted the losses. However, it was completely defeated in terms of communications. A major strategic lesson.

[putnanja]

Welcome jrjrao! Been a verrrryyyyyy long time! Happy to see oldtimers back!

[jrjrao]

Thanks!

Been lurking on and off, and of course, Operation Sindoor brought back all the same old energy that we used to deploy on this forum after the 9-11 days of early and systematic Paki bashing... Those were the golden days of chasing the jalebi madam and spanking of Musharraf's musharraf...

[putnanja]

Ah! Bag the hag competition! And poetry by Narayanan, yourself, shiv, umrao jaan and others on porkistan, good scenarios by Singha and Dileep, good memories! Those were good times

[sanjaykumar]

Someone actually remembers bag the hag. I myself had forgotten the pithy and mellifluous dictum.

At any rate the French article is one perspective. Mine is very different.

This was a short war prosecuted to Brahmanical standards of precision, competence and detachment.

[gakakkad]

Where is singha btw ?have not seen him for a decade +

[A_Gupta]

"In total, the Pakistan Air Force reportedly lost "well over a dozen aircraft," according to French sources."
From the June 12 edition of the French L'Opinion

Obsessed with military secrecy, the Indians failed to see this coming and were unable to react to the media campaign that immediately unfolded on pro-Pakistan social media, amplified by "the Russian, Chinese, and Iranian spheres," French specialists noted, as L'Opinion explained on May 30.

In misinformation, Russia is not a friend?

[Shameek]

"In total, the Pakistan Air Force reportedly lost "well over a dozen aircraft," according to French sources."
From the June 12 edition of the French L'Opinion

It has also been learned that during the previous clashes between the two countries in 2019, the Indian Air Force lost a Mirage 2000 in combat.

That article does not have its facts right even about 2019.

[Rakesh]

In misinformation, Russia is not a friend?

When it comes to arm sales, India has only one friend. And that friend is India.

Everyone else, is out to make a quick buck.

[Amber G.]

FATF condemns Pahalgam terror attack.

“Such incidents couldn’t occur without support”.



FATF Statement on Pahalgam terror attack in Kashmir.

[Vayutuvan]

Where is singha btw? have not seen him for a decade +

He is on X mostly I think. Negi as well.

[Manish_P]

FATF condemns Pahalgam terror attack.

“Such incidents couldn’t occur without support”.
....

Yes.. Yours

(Added - i am referring to the FATF, not Amber G )

[Manish_P]

....
When it comes to arm sales, India has only one friend. And that friend is India.

Everyone else, is out to make a quick buck.

We are just starting to make big bucks...

Let the politicians and babus start getting 'incentives' on sales by our companies and see our exports zoom.

[srin]

FATF condemns Pahalgam terror attack.

“Such incidents couldn’t occur without support”.

Now that they have condemned it, they have taken adequate action and so likelihood of Bakis going to grey list is remote

[Hriday]

Two posts from Deans from Iran war thread.
viewtopic.php?p=2652009#p2652009

A different way of looking at it:
We fired 38 Brahmos + Scalp at Pak. More than half hit and did so accurately.

Iran had about 20 hits from 250 odd ballistic missiles fired. We can quibble about the numbers, but it looks like >80% intercepted for Israel and
less than 50% for Pak.
Pak fired only 1 confirmed ballistic missile, which we intercepted, but there is not a big enough sample size to say we intercepted 100% of
ballistic missiles.

There was an article by HT - presumably after being briefed by IAF, that we fired 19 Brahmos and 19 Scalp or equivalent.

Considering that Pakistan released a report which says that India hitted additional targets than India officially acknowledged, there is a good possibility that far more sensitive targets were hit. I lost the count, do anyone remember the total hits including terrorist sites and military targets? If any of these missiles were shot down then Pakistan authorities would have encouraged the video of the debris.

[chetak]

the pakis have begun asking the right questions ......

[chetak]

this is the same gaddar who went to turkey, on his knees, just to kiss the butts of the erdogan parivar

AAMIR KHAN : I don't consider pahalgam terrorists muslims because islam doesn't teach violence.





When the man holds a gun to my head because he believes a kaffir’s life is expendable what do I care what you *consider*? Evidently it’s not worth much.




No better way to push the problem under the carpet.

Just declare "They're not muslims," after the deed is done.

When anyone asks anything about what islamists are doing to the World, "We already said they're not muslims.

So you can't connect that to us."

[Bharadwaj]

https://www.rfi.fr/fr/asie-pacifique/20 ... us-silence

Operation Sindoor: India's air success passed over in silence

From Google translate:

It must have moved in flight! ", underlines the general of the French Air Force Bruno Mignot, "60 planes is a big raid indeed. And if they lost 4 or 5 devices, that's not much. Especially if in front, they were warned. It means that they were sure of themselves, it also means that they know that the Pakistani equipment was not at the level. An air raid works on a lot of things. There is the initial information: Who? Where? How? After that, there are objective files, it's almost a science, it's targeting. And so targeting consists of choosing the type of ammunition we are going to send, the angle of arrival of the bomb on the lens, but also the adjustment of the proximity rocket. If the bomb must explode immediately or if it must be given time to sink into the target before it explodes. It requires capabilities that few countries have.”

Despite a very big frustration on the French side, Paris would have liked a clarification before the Paris Show, India has not changed its habits and has not commented on the Sindoor operation.

The French seem quite upset that the much anticipated IAF briefing did not occur before the Paris Air Show

[Shankas]

Somebody ask him about Rafale source code

[gakakkad]

Press conference only after source code.

[Bharadwaj]

Is this source code business something contractually committed and not delivered? (yes no way of knowing unless there is a cag report). Or is this the angry birds on social media ranting and venting. I am all for IDDM but let us get facts before alleging things. I have not found a single credible source confirming the source code story- it is just the usual suspects regurgitating the nonsense that another usual suspect came up with.

[A_Gupta]

I have not found a single credible source confirming the source code story- it is just the usual suspects regurgitating the nonsense that another usual suspect came up with.

Same here.

[Cyrano]

Good to see you jrjrao garu ! Hope you will stick around and post frequently
French articles are as usual confused and incompetent, like most of their MSM.

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1935385672401174614 ---> Can’t make this shit up. White House announces Trump’s lunch with General Asim Munir was decided after latter called for nomination of Trump for Nobel Peace Prize for ‘stopping nuclear war between India & Pakistan’.

[sanjaykumar]

If trump cuts off aid to Ukraine, he will end that war.

That will merit a Nobel. After all, if Obama can get one for being Black, trump should get one for ending a terrible conflict.

But euros will never bestow any such thing on Trump. Ain’t happening.

[Manish_P]

VIDEO: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1935385672401174614 ---> Can’t make this shit up. White House announces Trump’s lunch with General Asim Munir was decided after latter called for nomination of Trump for Nobel Peace Prize for ‘stopping nuclear war between India & Pakistan’.

Oh wow.

So one clown simply awarded himself the title of Field Marshal and the other is desperately trying to get himself the Nobel

[Manish_P]

If trump cuts off aid to Ukraine, he will end that war.

That will merit a Nobel. After all, if Obama can get one for being Black, trump should get one for ending a terrible conflict.

But euros will never bestow any such thing on Trump. Ain’t happening.

He tried to get one for the Ukraine war. Putin went 'Nyet'.
Tried to get one for the Pakistan one. Modi said 'Nahi'
Now trying for the Iran one. What's the Hebrew word for 'No'?

Maybe he should try to get the Norwegians and the Swedish to fight each other.... For a few hours....

[Haridas]

....

Magnitude 2.8 is equivalent to 48 Lb of TNT. So just industrial minimum type operation.
Even a 155mm shell has more energy.

[ramana]

There are discussions in online forums that 6 F-16s belonging to US were shaheed in Bholari. These were for attacking Iran's new capital and were to be left behind for Fizzleya. They are unmarked, also known as white-labeled.

[ramana]

https://www.rfi.fr/fr/asie-pacifique/20 ... us-silence

Operation Sindoor: India's air success passed over in silence

From Google translate:

It must have moved in flight! ", underlines the general of the French Air Force Bruno Mignot, "60 planes is a big raid indeed. And if they lost 4 or 5 devices, that's not much. Especially if in front, they were warned. It means that they were sure of themselves, it also means that they know that the Pakistani equipment was not at the level. An air raid works on a lot of things. There is the initial information: Who? Where? How? After that, there are objective files, it's almost a science, it's targeting. And so targeting consists of choosing the type of ammunition we are going to send, the angle of arrival of the bomb on the lens, but also the adjustment of the proximity rocket. If the bomb must explode immediately or if it must be given time to sink into the target before it explodes. It requires capabilities that few countries have.”

Despite a very big frustration on the French side, Paris would have liked a clarification before the Paris Show, India has not changed its habits and has not commented on the Sindoor operation.

The French seem quite upset that the much anticipated IAF briefing did not occur before the Paris Air Show

Operation Sindoor is still ongoing as Modiji informed Trump.

[SRajesh]

If trump cuts off aid to Ukraine, he will end that war.

What's the Hebrew word for 'No'?

Lea
But : Bema 'ala hitchat shlach is more colourful

[ramana]

For completeness here is a French report on Operation Sindoor carried by IDRW. Sorry I don't know how to post the text.
My opinion is French are claiming more than due to them.
For instance are Meteors integrated with Rafale?
The SCALP and Hammer were used for striking the terrorist camps. Not the airbases.

https://idrw.org/paf-suffered-dozen-air ... nch-media/

[Amber G.]

For completeness here is a French report on Operation Sindoor carried by IDRW. Sorry I don't know how to post the text.
My opinion is French are claiming more than due to them.
For instance are Meteors integrated with Rafale?
The SCALP and Hammer were used for striking the terrorist camps. Not the airbases.

https://idrw.org/paf-suffered-dozen-air ... nch-media/

FWIW: ^^^ (Used meta glasses to 'read' the above [ Using what I described <here> >>> )

>>>
Aerial conflict during Operation Sindoor from May 7 to May 10, 2025, as reported by the French media outlet L'Opinion. It highlights significant losses suffered by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), with over a dozen aircraft reportedly destroyed. The Indian Air Force (IAF) executed precision strikes on 11 of Pakistan's 13 major airbases, including Nur Khan, Bholari, Sargodha, Murid, Rafiqui, Rahim Yar Khan, Sukkur, Jacobabad, and others, causing heavy damage to PAF infrastructure. Satellite imagery from Maxar Technologies and reports from The Washington Post and The New York Times confirmed large craters on runways, destroyed hangars, and damaged buildings.

The IAF used precision-guided munitions, including BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, French SCALP cruise missiles, and AASM Hammer glide bombs, delivered by Rafale and Su-30 MKI fighters. Notable strikes included the destruction of a hangar at Bholari airbase housing a Saab 2000 Erieye AWACS aircraft and F-16A/B Block-15 fighters. A C-130 Hercules transport aircraft was obliterated at Nur Khan airbase, while Chinese-origin Wing Loong drones and Turkish Bayraktar TB2 UAVs were destroyed at Murid.

India's air defense network, supported by the S-400 Triumf system and SpyDer systems, intercepted multiple PAF cruise and ballistic missiles, including the Al-Fateh missile, and downed over 10 UCAVs. The IAF's Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS) ensured seamless coordination, detecting PAF intrusions at 26 locations.

The PAF's losses, corroborated by aviation historian Tom Cooper, included the destruction of two Saab 2000 Erieye AWACS platforms, grounding a substantial portion of PAF's operational fleet. The Washington Post reported a 60-foot-wide hole in a Bholari hangar, while EurAsian Times estimated that 20% of PAF's infrastructure was knocked out.

Pakistan's claims of downing three Indian aircraft—three Rafales, one Su-30 MKI, and one MiG-29—were dismissed by India as propaganda. Reuters cited U.S. officials confirming two Indian fighters downed by PAF J-10CE jets, but India did not officially acknowledge any losses. L'Opinion aligns with this skepticism, noting Pakistan's lack of credible evidence.

L'Opinion's report, citing French sources, offers a nuanced view of the conflict, praising India's military prowess while exposing its communication shortcomings. The French perspective is significant given the Rafale's role in the operation, with IAF Rafales equipped with French missiles and SCALP cruise missiles executing deep strikes. The report's claim of a potential Rafale loss, also noted by Le Monde, marks a historic first for the French aircraft.

[ramana]

AmberG, Thank you.

Meanwhile X has a post on the status of the RYK base by bishwa!

https://x.com/bishwa55900127/status/1935713543979958590

RYK still in ICU

[Amber G.]

Pakistani deputy PM Ishaq Dar claims India hit Nur Khan and Shorkot airbases. He says Saudi Prince Faisal bin Salman asked if he could tell Jaishankar that Pakistan is ready to stop— revealing that it wasn't just the US that Pakistan went to at that the time to convince India that it was ready to stop.

[jrjrao]

By Chris Blackburn in the Firstpost:

Op Sindoor: How India defeated Pakistan in the war of narratives too

In it, "former US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne Patterson" is quoted, showing that she continues to have a warm spot in her heart for PakiSatanis:

Patterson’s closing remark—“We need to put all that behind us… the international community and Pakistan need to continue to press on an international investigation”—was a quiet olive branch. But it came with a condition: Pakistan must confront its past with honesty, not deflection.

[skumar]

Imagine Pakistan getting some Fattah missiles from Iran, instead of the cheap Chinese stuff.

If Iran has got these from Russia in turn, there are probably some checks in place.