Israel-Hezbollah-Iran War

[SRajesh]

Ayotullah has come out of the hiding and says:
1. Isreal brought to knees
2. US President is wrong in saying that Nuclear facilities damaged badly
3. We shall never surrender
4. We have hit US base in Qatar
Wow this is not going to stop by the looks of it.
Or atleast the rhetoric will continue for ever.

[Cain Marko]

Ayotullah has come out of the hiding and says:
1. Isreal brought to knees
2. US President is wrong in saying that Nuclear facilities damaged badly
3. We shall never surrender
4. We have hit US base in Qatar
Wow this is not going to stop by the looks of it.
Or atleast the rhetoric will continue for ever.

This is Pakistan 2.0. they never lose.. Only rhetoric, game is over, emperor is nanga

[Cain Marko]

Now the game will change. Iran will either withdraw from the NPT and make a nuke, provided it can do so faster than the US and Israel can strike. Or else other less dire options.

US and Israel can strike almost overnight, Iran has zero answers or options. Even if they stored away the enriched maal, they will still need to rebuild their installations and facilities, which will take time. This ain't Noko with China giving cover. Iran has Israel's rather elaborate Intel infrastructure keeping a close watch with the US not too far away.

[Cyrano]

The only thing missing is a promotion with a grander title like Maha(aya)tollah or something like that

[bala]

Compared to the barrage of fake news claiming Fordow and other places hit by the US did not do any damage to Iran, the Pentagon is briefing the press.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force General Dan Caine brief the press at the Pentagon, addressing recent U.S. military actions, including Operation Midnight Hammer targeting Iranian nuclear sites, and ongoing global security concerns.

How U.S. Bombed Iran’s Nuclear Sites: Pentagon Reveals Full Details

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8QPETpkTvI

Added later wherein Pete Hegseth trashes the fake news which leaped into conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWTpjwaX4NA

[SRajesh]

The only thing missing is a promotion with a grander title like Maha(aya)tollah or something like that

Cyranoji
Only higher for him as a Shia is like Imam ( like Ali or Hussain etc) or Mahdi
And if any of these bestowed then he becomes Wajib-ul-Cutlet as far as Sunni and some Shia segments are concerned

[bala]

One of things that hasn't been talked out much is China's entanglement in Iran. China has invested a lot in Iran and owns 89% of certain oil extraction facilities in Iran so that its supply of oil is smooth. With Iran in shatters, this investment (which came about due to nuclear and missile cooperation with Iran) is in the tanks. DJT has signed a deal with China on US trade, mainly to tide over rare earth supply for the US. At the same time DJT has told china it is free to buy Iran's oil (keeping Hormuz strait open and free) with a caveat that it has to buy US oil too. This would equalize any concessions from Iranian oil that China may get. Currently Iran is under turmoil and may not look to giving any concessions, since the China maal in AD/missiles are kinda of useless junk. China also approached Russia for plunking down a Siberia to China oil pipeline and asked Putin to make this happen. However Russia is no slouch in negotiations and demanded that China invest in extraction of oil in russia and pay for the pipeline to get subsidized oil flowing. Russia is also wanting China to invest in Russian industry and manufacture things in Russia. China is currently facing economic turmoil, its investment in many nations including Iran, Afghanistan, Pak etc are in ruins. It does not have money for any more investments. China is certainly facing a crisis in its credibility around the world at large.

[Amber G.]

France, Germany and the United Kingdom condemn threats against the Director General of the IAEA Rafael Grossi and reiterate our full support to the Agency and the DG in carrying out their mandate.

[Amber G.]

Background from a U.S. physicist — quick reality check

Not here to argue politics, and definitely not interested in feeding trolls—but as someone with a background in nuclear physics and who’s followed the Iran file closely (including IAEA reports and technical assessments), I can’t help but notice the sheer amount of speculation and exaggeration being thrown around lately. Especially from folks taking Trump’s every tweet or off-the-cuff comment as gospel. So here’s a reality check on some of those claims, grounded in what we actually know. Happy to respond to respectful questions or discussion.

I want to call out some of the more out there claims Trump’s been making lately about the strikes on Iran.

Let’s just say a lot of what he’s been throwing around is either flat-out wrong or wildly speculative. Here's the breakdown, based on what we actually know from the IAEA, U.S. intel assessments, and technical experts:

Claim: “We destroyed Iran’s entire nuclear program.”
→ Not true.

The IAEA and U.S. intelligence both say that key enrichment facilities like Fordow—which are buried deep underground—are still intact. And crucially, Iran still holds enough 60% enriched uranium to make several bombs. No, that’s not weapons-grade yet—but it’s dangerously close, and could be upgraded fairly quickly.

Also, you can bomb buildings, but you can’t bomb away knowledge. The scientists, engineers, and their technical infrastructure are still there. Bottom line: the core of the program survived.

Claim: “Iran had nuclear weapons and we stopped them from using it.”
→ Flat-out false.

There is no evidence—NONE—that Iran had built a bomb or crossed the weaponization threshold. The IAEA has been monitoring this for years. Yes, Iran pushed enrichment levels up (alarmingly so), but no bomb’s been built, let alone deployed. Saying “we stopped them from using it” is just not backed by any credible data.

Claim: “Iran’s nuclear program is gone and won’t come back.”
→ Wishful thinking at best.

According to Rafael Grossi (head of the IAEA), Iran could restart enrichment within months if it chooses to. Their stockpile is still largely intact, they know how to rebuild cascades, and their underground facilities—especially at Fordow—are still usable. It’s a delay, not a dismantling.

Claim: “There was no radiation because everything was destroyed safely.”
→ Technically misleading.

There was no radiation leak, but that’s because there’s nothing in these facilities that would release high radiation . Enrichment plants deal with uranium hexafluoride gas and centrifuges, not reactor-grade fuel or spent fuel rods. So of course there was no radiation—it’s not because the strikes were surgical; it’s because of the basic physics.

Claim: “We had full support of the international community.”
→ Nope.

The U.S. acted unilaterally, without UN Security Council authorization. Most of the EU was not on board. In fact, many European allies have publicly criticized the strikes and are calling for renewed diplomacy, not escalation. India did not endorsed it. Even the IAEA is urging caution and access—not cheering from the sidelines.

The idea that the strikes “obliterated” Iran’s nuclear program is more campaign fantasy than technical reality. The damage was real, but limited. Iran’s breakout potential is delayed—but very much alive.

Happy to clarify or go deeper if anyone wants the gritty technical stuff, but that’s the honest, physics-grounded read.

Amber G.

[Amber G.]

Compared to the barrage of fake news claiming Fordow and other places hit by the US did not do any damage to Iran, the Pentagon is briefing the press.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force General Dan Caine brief the press at the Pentagon, addressing recent U.S. military actions, including Operation Midnight Hammer targeting Iranian nuclear sites, and ongoing global security concerns.

How U.S. Bombed Iran’s Nuclear Sites: Pentagon Reveals Full Details

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8QPETpkTvI

Added later wherein Pete Hegseth trashes the fake news which leaped into conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWTpjwaX4NA

Let’s get real here. No serious analyst — IAEA, U.S. intel, or independent experts — said the strikes did “no damage.” The Pentagon itself confirmed real, visible hits on above-ground facilities at Natanz and Esfahan. That’s never been in dispute.


But claiming that Fordow was destroyed, or that Iran’s nuclear program was “obliterated”, is just hype. The underground enrichment halls at Fordow are still standing — by the Pentagon’s own admission — and Iran’s 60% enriched uranium stockpile (which is the real breakout threat) was likely moved beforehand and not destroyed.

Also, let’s stop parroting “there was no radiation, so the strikes were perfect” as if that proves anything. That kind of statement only works if you don’t understand the basic physics. Iran doesn’t have a reactor program with high-level radioactive fuel. These were centrifuge halls, not Chernobyl. There was never going to be significant radiation unless you bombed a fuel rod pool — which doesn’t exist there. The “no radiation” line proves nothing beyond the speaker’s lack of technical grounding.

Even the IAEA Director General, Rafael Grossi, says Iran can resume enrichment in months, and their breakout capability — i.e., the time needed to produce one bomb’s worth of weapons-grade uranium — is still measured in weeks, not years.

Bottom line: the strikes delayed Iran’s nuclear capability. They did not destroy it. That’s not fake news — that’s just the conclusion of every serious technical agency that’s looked at the situation. If you want to claim otherwise, bring data — not campaign slogans.

Please do see the earlier post by me. (Technically much more details).

[bala]

Let’s get real here.

Look you don't need to respond to essentially what I am reporting as coming out of the mouths of people in charge. They have a version which people have to take into consideration, not fake CNN/NYT/Reuters reporting.

Bottom line: the strikes delayed Iran’s nuclear capability. They did not destroy it.

That is a ridiculous conclusion after seeing actual satellite pictures and what damage GBUs can cause. I will let both nations Israel/US deal with the ramifications of their own actions, especially after the Dems on Bidenwa watch let Iran's nuclear ambition increase to this level and did nothing with the JCPOA that Obummer signed previously. Both Israel/US have the Onus, not some officials or tech people's assessment (it is a political issue with military ramifications). Israel will be be wiped of the map if 1 nuclear bomb is released upon them.

Please do see the earlier post by me. (Technically much more details).

Yes, you have valid points and I appreciate them from a technical perspective. However this is beyond technical, it is a question of existence of a tiny nation called Israel.

[Amber G.]

Watching new victory celebratiions .. Looks like, kid you not.. After complete victory over Iran's centrifuges ..Trump has new 'Victory'..

[Cyrano]

Impossible to make such stuff up.

[Jay]

especially after the Dems on Bidenwa watch let Iran's nuclear ambition increase to this level and did nothing with the JCPOA that Obummer signed previously.

bala sir, are you talking about the same JCPOA agreement that was cancelled by trump in 2018 or is there another agreement that bidenwa should have followed up on?

[A_Gupta]

Trump shot off his mouth about total destruction of relevant nuclear facilities in Iran, which would cause any normal POTUS embarrassment when he goes to Congress seeking authorization for more military action.

However Trump has no issues saying the opposite of what he just said, and he is not going to seek Congress’s authorization in any case.

If the goal is really to end any Iranian weapons- or weapons-adjacent program, just maybe Iran will negotiate, but likely further military action will be needed.

I think Trump will wait for some victories- passing of his budget bill, a few major trade deals, getting the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates. With those in his pocket he may attack Iran again. Dunno what needs to happen for Israel to restart.

[bala]

bala sir, are you talking about the same JCPOA agreement

see previous post

[A_Gupta]

Biden tried to revive JCPOA that had been terminated by Trump, but that ended with IAEA discovery of traces of 83% enriched uranium. Iran claimed that had been planted by Mossad, etc., but the Americans decided that Iran was not negotiating in good faith.

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Added: as far as I can tell, the Ayatollahs have issued fatwas against Netanyahu and Trump, like Khomeini’s fatwa against Salman Rushdie.

[bala]

JCPOA is a document that is based on Perceptibility without Possibility, in other words an illusion. The Sanskrit term is mithya which is defined as स्वाभाव अधिष्ठाने बस मानवात्म मिथ्यात्व Iran no matter what was hell bent on acquiring a nuclear weapon which given its wealth in oil money is highly doable. To create something counter to that objective is rather futile. The US removing sanctions and giving money as a bribe is even more of illusion. DJT rightly stopped this nonsense. The more pressing thing is prevention of getting a nuclear device into the hands of mullahs/aytollahs who will not flinch using such a weapon on Israel and the world.

[Amber G.]

Added: as far as I can tell, the Ayatollahs have issued fatwas against Netanyahu and Trump, like Khomeini’s fatwa against Salman Rushdie.

The nerve of them Ayatollahs.. they should be saying "Jai ho " and saying "THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP!

[Amber G.]

Let’s get real here.

Look you don't need to respond to essentially what I am reporting as coming out of the mouths of people in charge. They have a version which people have to take into consideration, not fake CNN/NYT/Reuters reporting.

Bottom line: the strikes delayed Iran’s nuclear capability. They did not destroy it.

That is a ridiculous conclusion after seeing actual satellite pictures and what damage GBUs can cause. I will let both nations Israel/US deal with the ramifications of their own actions, especially after the Dems on Bidenwa watch let Iran's nuclear ambition increase to this level and did nothing with the JCPOA that Obummer signed previously. Both Israel/US have the Onus, not some officials or tech people's assessment (it is a political issue with military ramifications). Israel will be be wiped of the map if 1 nuclear bomb is released upon them.

Please do see the earlier post by me. (Technically much more details).

Yes, you have valid points and I appreciate them from a technical perspective. However this is beyond technical, it is a question of existence of a tiny nation called Israel.

Calling it “ridiculous” to say the strikes delayed but didn’t destroy Iran’s nuclear capability ignores both satellite analysis and expert assessments. Real damage ≠ total dismantlement. Fordow’s underground halls are still standing, and Iran’s uranium stockpile wasn’t destroyed.

Also — let’s keep it serious. “Bidenwa” and “Obummer” don’t help your argument.

For the record, JCPOA (which Trump walked out of) had halted Iran’s 20%+ enrichment, capped stockpiles, and allowed daily inspections. Exiting it without a plan gave Iran space to reach 60%.

Yes, Israel’s security is critical — but that doesn’t mean we throw technical facts out the window.

(Cont.. next post)

[Amber G.]

^^^ (Cont) ..For those not swept up in the wave of Trump-era misinformation and propaganda about the JCPOA, the facts are actually pretty straightforward — and available to anyone willing to look. If you’re genuinely interested in what the deal actually did, rather than the slogans about “pallets of cash” or “Obama giving Iran the bomb,” here’s a breakdown of the key terms and why they mattered.

Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) limits on Iran’s nuclear program before the U.S. unilaterally withdrew in May 2018 under President Trump:

JCPOA Key Restrictions (2015–2018)
1. Uranium Enrichment Level
Limit: Max of 3.67% U-235 (far below weapons-grade, which is ~90%).

Purpose: Suitable only for civilian nuclear power, not for a bomb.

2. Uranium Stockpile
Limit: 300 kg of low-enriched uranium (LEU)

(Compare that to 2025 levels: Iran has >400 kg of 60% enriched uranium, enough for multiple bombs.)

3. Centrifuge Cap
Limit: Only 5,060 IR-1 centrifuges at Natanz, no advanced IR-6 or IR-8 machines.

Fordow: Could not enrich uranium at all — turned into a research center.

4. Arak Heavy Water Reactor
Iran had to redesign it so it could not produce weapons-grade plutonium.

Original core (which could have made plutonium) was removed and destroyed.

5. Breakout Time
With these restrictions, the estimated “breakout time” (to produce one bomb’s worth of weapons-grade uranium) was 12 months or more.

6. Inspections & Monitoring
IAEA had daily access to Natanz, Fordow, and the entire fuel cycle.

Iran also agreed to implementation of the Additional Protocol, allowing snap inspections and monitoring of undeclared sites.

What Changed After U.S. Withdrawal in 2018
After Trump exited the deal and reimposed sanctions, Iran gradually walked back compliance.

By 2020–2021, it resumed enrichment at 20%, then pushed to 60% by 2022–2023.

Inspections became limited, and breakout time shrank to weeks.

Bottom Line
The JCPOA was not perfect, but it froze Iran’s program at a low level with tight inspections.
Walking away from it removed limits without putting anything better in place, allowing Iran to build back toward a breakout capability.

[Amber G.]

JCPOA is a document that is based on Perceptibility without Possibility, in other words an illusion. The Sanskrit term is mithya which is defined as स्वाभाव अधिष्ठाने बस मानवात्म मिथ्यात्व Iran no matter what was hell bent on acquiring a nuclear weapon which given its wealth in oil money is highly doable. To create something counter to that objective is rather futile. The US removing sanctions and giving money as a bribe is even more of illusion. DJT rightly stopped this nonsense. The more pressing thing is prevention of getting a nuclear device into the hands of mullahs/aytollahs who will not flinch using such a weapon on Israel and the world.

Ah yes, JCPOA as मिथ्या — the grand illusion, like Māyā herself handed it down on parchment. Except… it wasn’t an illusion when Iran’s stockpile was capped at 3.67%, Fordow was mothballed, and IAEA had eyes everywhere.

Calling it “perceptibility without possibility” sounds deep until you remember the actual possibility of breakout was pushed to over a year — and is now back to weeks, thanks to the “nonsense-stopping” move.

If that’s मिथ्या, it’s the kind that kept the uranium underground and the centrifuges idle.
As the Gītā reminds us: "नासतो विद्यते भावो नाभावो विद्यते सतः" — the unreal has no being; the real never ceases to be.

I’ll take that kind of मिथ्या any day.

[bala]

the actual possibility of breakout was pushed to over a year — and is now back to weeks, thanks to the “nonsense-stopping” move.

Besides having TDS (please look it up) what happened in Iran during the Biden years, they were at standstill or they got to such capability for the break out to the actual device now? Please have a modicum of logic in your argument without being 1 tracked on TDS. Thanks.

[A_Gupta]

From an India-centric view, the question is will there be further military action on Iran, with its accompanying risks, such as issues with shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.

[Amber G.]

the actual possibility of breakout was pushed to over a year — and is now back to weeks, thanks to the “nonsense-stopping” move.

Besides having TDS (please look it up) what happened in Iran during the Biden years, they were at standstill or they got to such capability for the break out to the actual device now? Please have a modicum of logic in your argument without being 1 tracked on TDS. Thanks.

Throwing around terms like “TDS” might make you popular among the usual trollers or thread hijackers, but it’s not a substitute for facts. If you’re genuinely interested in what actually happened with Iran’s nuclear program over the past decade—including under Trump and Biden—there’s a detailed, evidence-based timeline available. I’m happy to walk through it with anyone who values reality over rhetoric.

Spoiler: Iran’s breakout capability didn’t stall under Biden—it accelerated, largely because the JCPOA was abandoned in 2018 with no backup plan. Let’s stick to physics and policy, not playground insults.

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[bI]ran’s Nuclear Breakout Timeline (2013–2025)[/b]
(Breakout time = time needed to produce enough weapons-grade uranium for one bomb - My take but any reputable source will validate this)

Period (Breakout Time)
Pre-JCPOA (2013–2015) (~2–3 months) Large LEU stockpile (~10,000 kg), ~19,000 centrifuges. Iran was close to breakout capability.

JCPOA in Effect (2015–2018)

(Obama administration + start of Trump) (~12+ months) Iran capped at 300 kg of 3.67% enriched uranium. No enrichment at Fordow. Advanced centrifuges dismantled. Daily IAEA access. Breakout time pushed to over a year.

Post-JCPOA Withdrawal (May 2018–Jan 2021)
(Trump administration post-withdrawal) Shrinking from ~6–8 months → 3–4 months
Trump withdrew from JCPOA (May 2018). Sanctions reimposed. Iran began exceeding enrichment caps, restarted Fordow, and increased stockpiles.

Early Biden Term (2021–2024) Dropped to ~1–2 months, No return to JCPOA. Iran enriched to 60%, with ~400+ kg stockpiled. IAEA monitoring reduced. Fordow and Natanz operated advanced centrifuges.

Late Biden Term / Early Trump / 2025 Strikes ~2–3 weeks (estimated)
U.S. strikes under Operation Midnight Hammer damaged some sites (mostly above ground). However, underground facilities and uranium stockpiles largely survived. Enrichment capability delayed but not dismantled.

[bala]

Firstly IAEA is not some gold standard of keeping track of Iran's nuclear activity. Iran was surreptiously being helped in various ways by China and North Korea. China was hand in gloves with the Dems of the US and they looked the other way. It was during Obama and Biden that China stole advanced technology from the US, their students were eavesdropping into critical programs in the US and around the world. Many things done during JCPOA was done to adhere to a piece of signed paper, however Iran hid secretly its capability including advanced centrifuges. These things take time and they don't happen to reappear just because the US changed an El Presidente. Much of the new capability of Iran was fine tuned during Biden's term, the direction change could have happened in DJT V1.0. The Israelis have better intelligence compared to most and they have a fairly good idea of what Iran is upto with the latest information. All other agencies around the world are a tad too late.

Currently no one has a clue to the damage wrought upon Iran. Even Iran does not know. How come all the experts sitting elsewhere know that Fordow is not damaged. No one knows where Iran has stockpiled Uranium. There is a big difference between UF6 and the final uranium extracted from UF6. Most of the equipment were supplied by China with technical know how transferred to Iran. The other puzzle is North Korea which no one knows for sure. Too many unknowns we are dealing with and there is no conclusive proof provided. Israel probably has a good picture, which the current US govt may have with limited people in the loop. All the rest is hogwash and pure speculation.

[Leonard]

Some folks keep thinking US SD, IAEA, UN - have the ultimate "control" of Iran/Iraq -- nuclear Enrichment cycle --

This is "academic utopia/happy path" in reality ...

Personally - met a Iraqi Nuke Scientist/radiologist given asylum in early 90's while doing Grad work in BME and He was still s&&& scared to talk about Saddam's NUKE enrichment programs -- ... he had a LOT of info, as per him it was a race between Islamic ME - who would get there first ...

Let's just for academic exercise -- imagine -- How well the GOI fooled the US SD, CIA, Pentagon. NSA -- Five Eye's crap during Pokhran-II ...

Iran -- has been 400 % doing ton's of Nuke research without "prying" eyes taking a close look

Pakistan has been 400 % expanding its' JIHADI army despite FATF, and other BS -- Now they have NEWER/SMALLER groups ...

What has Israel been doing -- since it's REALLY hard to penetrate a CLOSED -- Jihadi Country like Iran & Pakistan ...

See their assassination's LISTs over the years ... Dickipedia info -- Probably a LOT more that's never been brought to Public eyes ...

15 January 2007[20] Ardeshir Hosseinpour Professor, authority on electromagnetism By gas or possibly radiation poisoning, in Shiraz[21] Died
12 January 2010[22] Masoud Ali-Mohammadi Professor, quantum field theorist and elementary particle physicist By a remote-control bomb attached to a motorcycle, in Tehran Assassinated
29 November 2010[23] Majid Shahriari Nuclear engineer specialized in neutron transport By a bomb attached to his car from a motorcycle, in Tehran
29 November 2010[24] Fereydoon Abbasi Professor, nuclear physicist and administrator By a bomb attached to his car from a motorcycle, in Tehran Survived
23 July 2011[25] Darioush Rezaeinejad Physicist, expert in neutron transport Shot by motorcycle gunmen, in Tehran Assassinated
11 January 2012[1] Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan Professor, researching the making of polymeric membranes for gaseous diffusion By a bomb attached to his car from a motorcycle, in Tehran
27 November 2020 Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Professor, nuclear physicist and head of Iran's nuclear program Shot by a remote-control machine gun, in Damavand
13 June 2025 Fereydoon Abbasi Former Vice President of Iran and Head of Atomic Energy Organization, expert in nuclear engineering[26] Killed in simultaneous strikes on Tehran[26]
Seyyed Amir Hossein Feghhi Full professor at Shahid Beheshti University, deputy of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran,[27] expert in physics[26]
Akbar Motalebizadeh Faculty member at Shahid Beheshti University, nuclear engineer and expert in chemical engineering[28]
Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi President of the Islamic Azad University, expert in physics[26]
Saeed Borji Expert in materials engineering[26]
Mansour Asgari Expert in physics[26]
Ahmadreza Zolfaghari Daryani Distinguished professor of nuclear engineering at Shahid Beheshti University, expert in nuclear engineering[26] and nuclear physics[29]
Ali Bakhouei Katirimi Expert in mechanics[26]
Abdolhamid Minouchehr Nuclear physicist and nuclear engineer, head Nuclear Engineering at Shahid Beheshti University[30]
20 June 2025[31] Isar Tabatabai-Qamsheh Nuclear engineer Airstrike in Tehran
25 June 2025[32] Mohammad Reza Sedighi Saber Nuclear engineer, head of the Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research Shahid Karimi Group. Airstrike in Tehran


If Iran was "years" aways from nukeclear detergent -- would Mossad expend so much capital/resources targeting Scientist's -- losing precious "agents/sources" - that take YEARS to develop ? especially in a Closed Jihadi Country like Iran

[Vayutuvan]

Bottom Line
The JCPOA was not perfect, but it froze Iran’s program at a low level with tight inspections.
Walking away from it removed limits without putting anything better in place, allowing Iran to build back toward a breakout capability.

The original sin was committed by Obama who handed USD 1.7 Billion of which USD 750 Million was in small bills of different currencies. That is a lot of fungible money. The second mistake was by Trump walking away without anything better in its place. Maybe Iran was recalcitrant and was not listening to warnings given to them on arming Yemen and start a war with KSA and also hit Israel, arming Hezbolla, and arming Hamas. They were playing games for sure, JCPOA or not.

Putting faith in IAEA for enforcement is like putting faith in the UN to make Shittistanis reverse the demographic changes they did in Kashmir to hold a referendum.

[Manish_P]

....

What has Israel been doing -- since it's REALLY hard to penetrate a CLOSED -- Jihadi Country like Iran & Pakistan ...

See their assassination's LISTs over the years ... Dickipedia info -- Probably a LOT more that's never been brought to Public eyes ...

...

Many Indian Nuke scientists have also died in mysterious circumstances over the past 2 decades

[pravula]

If Iran was "years" aways from nukeclear detergent -- would Mossad expend so much capital/resources targeting Scientist's -- losing precious "agents/sources" - that take YEARS to develop ? especially in a Closed Jihadi Country like Iran

Because they can and its relatively inexpensive for them. What else would their "agents" do?

[bala]

The original sin was committed by Obama ..

Putting faith in IAEA for enforcement ...

Agree. This excessive reliance on so called good faith measures never work for a state that is based on idealogy of the Islamic faith kind. All paper signing is treated with contempt and enforcement is shunned in clever ways.


On a different Note:

BTW, sincere request to all: please don't quote Bhagavad Gita inappropriately and selectively,
BG 2.16: नासतो विद्यते भावो नाभावो विद्यते सत: | उभयोरपि दृष्टोऽन्तस्त्वनयोस्तत्त्वदर्शिभि: || 16||
since the topics covered in BG are about a dharmic seeker and their faith in Brahman. These are to be respected and dealt with in terms of such things.

[ritesh]

Ayotullah has come out of the hiding and says:
1. Isreal brought to knees
2. US President is wrong in saying that Nuclear facilities damaged badly
3. We shall never surrender
4. We have hit US base in Qatar
Wow this is not going to stop by the looks of it.
Or atleast the rhetoric will continue for ever.

The only way to defeat malsi is to k!ll.
Alive and talking malsi never looses while dead don't talk

[Jay]

bala sir, are you talking about the same JCPOA agreement

see previous post

Not sure what I need to read hear because your linked post also says the JCPOA ended in 2018. So are you saying that the earlier admin has done nothing under JCPOA, which was revoked by the "other" admin in 2018?