Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[vonkabra]

He never unequivocally stated that Pakistan lost—any such suggestion was buried in vague or cleverly worded phrasing.

While I agree that we should not give too much credence to Western accounts and I don't agree with everything TC has claimed, he did mention it's a "clear cut victory for India". I think the reason he's become so popular in India is that he managed to come up with a clear cut military analysis based on the complete timeline of events (even if it was with flaws and without too much evidence) which our own analysts have still not come up with.

[vonkabra]

For those people complaining that the Pakis will never admit to being defeated, it's nothing unique to them. From the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/denial-runs ... nts_sector

To summarize, the same thing has been repeatedly done by Egypt, Syria, Iran and Iraq. The article concludes that the net result of this self delusionary behavior is that they never learnt from their mistakes and and ended up losing future wars as well.

[g.sarkar]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/o ... 2025-07-04
China gave Pak live inputs on our vectors during Op Sindoor: Top Army general
India Today News Desk
New Delhi,UPDATED: Jul 4, 2025
Sharangee Dutta, New Delhi, Jul 4, 2025
Top Army general Rahul R Singh said that Pakistan received real-time inputs about India's important vectors from China during Operation Sindoor, as he reiterated that New Delhi tackled a double whammy at the border during the four-day conflict.
Lieutenant General Singh, Deputy Chief of Army Staff (Capability Development & Sustenance), said that India dealt with three adversaries at the border, including Turkey also in the category. "Pakistan was at the front. China was providing all possible support...Turkey also played an important role in providing the type of support it did," he said during his address at an event organised by the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry (FICCI) in Delhi.
:"When DGMO-level talks were going on, Pakistan actually was mentioning that we know your...important vector is primed and it is ready for action. I would request you to pull it back. So, they were getting live inputs...from China," Singh said.
The general highlighted that statistics from the last five years show that it was no surprise that China assisted Pakistan. Singh said that by supplying equipment to Pakistan, China is able to test its weapons against others.
"If you are to look at statistics, in the last five years, 81% of the military hardware that Pakistan is getting is all Chinese...China is able to test its weapons against other weapons, so it's like a live lab available to them," the top Army general told the event.
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Gautam

[Hari Sud]

More and more information has started to trickle down about operation Sindoor:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 59833.html

This article gives information about direct Chinese involvement in the mini war.

[Lisa]

For those people complaining that the Pakis will never admit to being defeated, it's nothing unique to them. From the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/denial-runs ... nts_sector

To summarize, the same thing has been repeatedly done by Egypt, Syria, Iran and Iraq. The article concludes that the net result of this self delusionary behavior is that they never learnt from their mistakes and and ended up losing future wars as well.

This is exactly why Hamas will not surrender. It will make the obvious, obvious.

[A_Gupta]

Hamas is not surrendering because the continuation of the war keeps strengthening the anti-Israel factions in Israel’s most important partner countries.

[drnayar]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/o ... 2025-07-04

The general highlighted that statistics from the last five years show that it was no surprise that China assisted Pakistan. Singh said that by supplying equipment to Pakistan, China is able to test its weapons against others.
"If you are to look at statistics, in the last five years, 81% of the military hardware that Pakistan is getting is all Chinese...China is able to test its weapons against other weapons, so it's like a live lab available to them," the top Army general told the event.
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Gautam

Good opportunity for America and Europe to give free weapons to India, to test against chinese equipment , we can share test data ! ..

[NRao]

‘China providing live updates…’, Lt Gen Rahul Singh shares ‘crucial lesson’ from Operation Sindoor

At the event 'New Age Military Technologies' organised by FICCI, Deputy Chief of Army Staff (Capability Development & Sustenance), Lt Gen Rahul R Singh explained the rule of China in detail, and mentioned the crucial lessons to be learned by India from Operation Sindoor. He emphasized on indigenization of defence technology and being self-sufficient in key components.

[VinodTK]

It is time for india to train scientists from Taiwan in no-clear fire cracker technology and as a graduation gift give them a dozen fire crackers, to test and keep them warm.

[bala]

Lt Gen Rahul R Singh mentions four and quickly corrected it to 3 - pak, china and turkey. I think he meant to include the US helping pak indirectly with things like F-16 and of course no one knows for sure the nuclear angle. Supply chain bottleneck in India needs to be addressed. In Sindoor, the AD indigenous equipment made a huge difference. Components supplied to make such equipment is however imported and is another area for India to shield itself from the vagaries of supply constraints. Much more is needed to bolster the AD cover for India and getting this to near 100% is the goal.

One thing of concern is how is China getting real time feed of war information on India. They are moles in the system giving them information. Satellites etc can only give some information. India has the capability to jam Beidou and GPS. This is one area India has to think through and come up with counter measures.

[Hari Sud]

I agree that there were four adversaries at India - Pakistan war

Pakistan
China
Turkey
US

With US in its corner, Pakistan was able to manufacture radiation leak incident.

[NRao]

Lt Gen Rahul R Singh mentions four and quickly corrected it to 3 - pak, china and turkey. I think he meant to include the US helping pak indirectly with things like F-16 and of course no one knows .
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I *think* the US lost a few at Nur Khan and Murid (C4I) and China lost a few at Skardu.

Let us see.

[bala]

The current situation with Pak is rather pathetic, they lost their AWACs, many aircrafts, C&C and more. The direct ally party nations aiding Pak are the only help they have. Just in case AssIm Manure tries another stunt with India, then India will not hesitate to finish the Pak Army for good. This warning was given directly by EAM Jaisankar to the US in the Quad meeting. The China factor is rather shaky for Pak since the Chinese are facing internal struggle and the PLA supplied equipment is for naught. In Myanmar the rebels used a shoulder fired weapon on a PLAF aircraft and brought it down. The mighty chinese are looking pathetic day by day and their equipment is rubbish. Dalai Lama announcement is hurting their H&D big time and if India says that Tibet issue is not resolved then China's CCP will be hurt politically which is even more stronger than PLA losing. China does not have the wherewithal to fight such battles. With the US on trade, China has capitulated and agreed with most of the US demands including rare earth supply, Emperor had no say in the terms.

BTW there are rumours that Pak army internally is revolting against AssIm Manure and his Kheti maarosala title. Previously such titles means that a new Chief of staff is appointed for the army. The contradictions will eat up Pak, let alone the internal segration of BLA, TTP, Sindhesh and so on.

[Agasthi]

Quoting my post just a few posts before the links to the Lt. Gen Rahul Singh's talks were posted. Again cryptic messages that raises more questions than closure.

My observation from the information warfare from the two conflicts is that hitting back civilian areas (Poonch, Tel Aviv, Haifa) or cryptic messages from Indian mil. allowed Iran and Pakistan to claim a false equivalence of victory.

But towards the end, his message points to the chicken and egg problem. BRF has been championing for ages that indigenization and R&D takes time and orders need to be in bulk to build an Indian MIC. They need to be nurtured and supported for Indian industry is nascent in these areas and can't be expected to churn out stuff like others. For all the talk, the AMCA for example is to be 120 split between two vendors. Production engineering and economies of scale is poor.

Batch manufacturing has been the forte of Defense PSU's; it is perhaps a good strategy for MSME's in the private sector but you might be constrained handling a two front war if it becomes real. Notice, he mentions that Private sector wasn't able to deliver the numbers in a week because of chinks in the supply chain. Silver lining , at least they are recognizing such issues now. Both PSU and Pvt. Sector can't deliver items without a consistent engagement strategy. PSU's can do start-stop-start but is suicidal for a private manufactory.

[Amber G.]

^^^ (re)posting Glad how Indian Army officers speak frankly, honestly and to the point.
(another link)

At the event 'New Age Military Technologies' organised by FICCI, Deputy Chief of Army Staff (Capability Development & Sustenance), Lt Gen Rahul R Singh says, "Air defence and how it panned out during the entire operation was important... This time, our population centres were not quite addressed, but next time, we need to be prepared for that... We had one border and two adversaries, actually three. Pakistan was in the front. China was providing all possible support. 81% of the military hardware with Pakistan is Chinese... China is able to test its weapons against other weapons, so its like a live lab available to them. Turkey also played an important role in providing the type of support it did... When DGMO-level talks were on, Pakistan had the live updates of our important vectors, from China... We need a robust air defence system..."

[Amber G.]

Turkish Media Claim: India offers long-range missile to Greece
— Turkish outlets allege the missile is intended to “TARGET Ankara,” calling it a response to Turkey’s alliance with Pakistan.

[ramana]

I'm trying to compile a timeline of the 88 hour operation sindoor. Q for gurus? There were reports on twitter and the links below are indicative of a Mirage 5 and a JF17 shot over the Kashmir valley (not Jammu). In fact, Shiv Aroor had reported this as well.

Q1: Since this was on our territory, shouldn't there be bodies or PoW's? Its been more than a month and only the BSF and a Pak ranger were returned via the Attari border.

Q2: Sending a Mirage 5 - desperation or incorrigible belief? And it was able to bypass the ADS to reach Srinagar. What does that indicate?

Q3: Hypothetical - Following Modi Doctrine, does that give us the basis to do a firebombing campaign of say Lahore courtesy Pinaka and other artillery systems? They attacked Poonch civilian areas without any compunctions. Assuming that we would be able to pre-empt them doing it on say Amritsar or Jammu.

Following the Iran-Israel war, the reactions of Pakistan and Iran have been quite similar with victory parades and such. Such societies as BRF has pointed out repeatedly place a premium on H&D. When Operation Sindoor 2.0 commences, India after it has finished with military targets should target bringing down targets of high symbolic value but lower down on the escalation ladder like felling the Minar-e-Pakistan or Jinnah's mausoleum for example. That should affect the momin psych a bit.


https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/ ... -07-988993

https://idrw.org/indian-army-confirms-p ... n-sindoor/

Agasthi, Here is an X video on the Mirage and JF-17. It was near Bhimber in Pakistan

https://x.com/defencealerts/status/1939 ... C6leA&s=19

[gakakkad]

Per OSint sources on x , the sipri year book confirms that porki nook nudeness was further enhanced in op sindoor.

I am unable to open the original source because it needs subscription. Wonder if someone can access it via madarsa . Amberg might have access .

[Cyrano]

Trump has for the nth time said that he brokered the peace deal between India and Pakistan. This is not just credit jeevi orange man blabbering. I think this is about maintaining a degree of pressure on India to not go for any military action on a gravely injured Pak for a while to come, like a year or two.

It's not that the US has any rediscovered love for Pak or world peace. It's about getting the breathing space they need to rebuild lost assets in Pak. Without those assets - men, machines, bunkers, nook stuff ityadi the US risks losing leverage on India and the subcontinent and West Asia for it's own machinations.

With op Sindoor I believe India has cut off Pak's balls and, perhaps a bit inadvertently, shoved them into unkil's mouth. Unkil can neither swallow not spit out.