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Rare earth elements found in Telangana coal mines, search expands nationwide: Report


N Balram, Chairman and Managing Director of Singareni Collieries Company Limited (SCCL), told CNBC-TV18 that government-backed studies by the Non-ferrous Materials Technology Development Centre (NFTDC) have found 1 kg of Scandium and Strontium in every 15 tons of clay at the Sathupalli and Ramagundam open-cast mines. He added that the supply of these elements from both mines is expected to start in August

While Scandium is used in aircraft components, fuel cells and high-performance sports goods, Strontium has applications in alloys, ferrite ceramic magnets, medicines, vacuum systems, and cathode-ray tubes.


https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... t-3898014/
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Historic decision today for private sector industries and startups by the Cabinet !

The Union Cabinet, under the leadership of Prime Minister Shri Narendra Modi ji, has approved the Research Development & Innovation (RDI) Scheme with ₹1 lakh crore fund (Rs 20000 allocated in this year’s budget). It is a bold vision to transform India into a tech-driven, innovation-powered economy on the road to Viksit Bharat by 2047.
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chetak wrote: 01 Jul 2025 20:59 Rare earth elements found in Telangana coal mines, search expands nationwide: Report





https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... t-3898014/
There were a few posts about REE's and its importance for India in other dhagas. For example in , in nuclear dhaga >
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tissue paper doesn't know that there is Wellington in India, where some of the best officers of Indian Armed Forces are trained

Field Marshal Sam Bahadur is buried in the Parsi Zoroastrian Cemetery in Udhagamandalam, Wellington (Ooty), Tamil Nadu, adjacent to his wife's grave



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chetak wrote: 01 Jul 2025 20:59 Rare earth elements found in Telangana coal mines, search expands nationwide: Report


N Balram, Chairman and Managing Director of Singareni Collieries Company Limited (SCCL), told CNBC-TV18 that government-backed studies by the Non-ferrous Materials Technology Development Centre (NFTDC) have found 1 kg of Scandium and Strontium in every 15 tons of clay at the Sathupalli and Ramagundam open-cast mines. He added that the supply of these elements from both mines is expected to start in August

While Scandium is used in aircraft components, fuel cells and high-performance sports goods, Strontium has applications in alloys, ferrite ceramic magnets, medicines, vacuum systems, and cathode-ray tubes.


https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... t-3898014/
brittanica says : An economically viable source should contain more than 5 percent rare earths, unless they are mined with another product—e.g., zirconium, uranium, or iron—which allows economic recovery of ore bodies with concentrations of as little as 0.5 percent by weight
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drnayar wrote: 02 Jul 2025 17:36
chetak wrote: 01 Jul 2025 20:59 Rare earth elements found in Telangana coal mines, search expands nationwide: Report

https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... t-3898014/
brittanica says : An economically viable source should contain more than 5 percent rare earths, unless they are mined with another product—e.g., zirconium, uranium, or iron—which allows economic recovery of ore bodies with concentrations of as little as 0.5 percent by weight


drnayar ji,


let's not be picky.

If this is the form in which it is available, let's simply go for it, until a better alternate shows up

britannica is not the authority on anything. What with the internet dominating, this tome belongs on the shelves onlee.

May make for a bit of light and casual reading on a wet sunday afternoon, if at all.


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For the want of a shoe the horse was lost,
For the want of a horse the rider was lost,
For the want of a rider the battle was lost,
For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”
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PM Modi gets his 24th Global Honour in Ghana. Here's a list of all the honours he has received till date:

https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1940641922814705778
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British colonial settlers committed genocide on #Aborigines in #Australia.

Four-year investigation by Royal Commission finds mass killings & land theft of indigenous Australians.

Calls for financial compensation.

This strengthens case for reparations for colonialism & slavery


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VI@WA


After a petition called Mohandas Gandhi racist, his statue was removed from the University of Ghana

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ity-ghana/



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Can we really blame African black community?


so pujya bhopu's pecking order was:

gora
mullah
hindu
kaala



Weirdly, that is still what congress party follows today




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denzil_Ibbetson
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Prime Minister Modiji , in an unprecedented gesture, was welcomed by Trinidad and Tobago PM Kamala Persad Bissessar and the entire cabinet of Trinidad & Tobago. 38 T&T Ministers and 4 MPs were at the airport to receive PM Modi. PM Modi to receive highest honour of T&T soon.
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“During his address, PM Modi also announced that individuals of Indian origin in Trinidad and Tobago, up to the sixth generation, will now be eligible for Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) cards, granting them the right to live and work in India without any restrictions.

"Today, I'm happy to announce that OCI cards will be given to the sixth generation of the Indian diaspora in Trinidad and Tobago. We aren't just connected by blood or surname. You are connected by belonging. India welcomes, and India embraces you!" he said.”
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chetak wrote: 03 Jul 2025 22:59 VI@WA


After a petition called Mohandas Gandhi racist, his statue was removed from the University of Ghana

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ity-ghana/



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Can we really blame African black community?

so pujya bhopu's pecking order was:

gora
mullah
hindu
kaala



Weirdly, that is still what congress party follows today




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denzil_Ibbetson
Chetakji, this doesn't hold much water.
1893 - Gandhi was 24. Even Savarkar, refers to AIT. He makes the point that after 2.5k years there is enough mixture in I dia. This in his book Hindutva. At the time that is what people had access to and believed. Rahul sankrityayan or gokhale all try to reason this in their writings.
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@Yayavar ji, the sticking point for Ghana students was not AIT but Gandhi being racist. MKG considered Africans inferior to Indians. Classical racism that.
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@Vayu A 24 year old clerk, narrowly focused on his own ilk, wrote a prejudiced letter. No doubt about it. He even used AIT to plead equivalence to the Anglos. I am suggesting that the words of the 24 year old rookie clerk do not define him. Are there later statements?
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Yayavar wrote: 05 Jul 2025 04:27 @Vayu A 24 year old clerk, narrowly focused on his own ilk, wrote a prejudiced letter. No doubt about it. He even used AIT to plead equivalence to the Anglos. I am suggesting that the words of the 24 year old rookie clerk do not define him. Are there later statements?

Yayavar ji,


The point being made is that ghundhy agreed with and endorsed his views, the rest is mere window dressing

He implied that Indians were higher than the kaffirs and lower than the britshits, and ghundhy endorsed those deeply racist views unreservedly

why did he poke his unwanted nose into the khilafat movement and how did that stooopidity help the beleaguered majority who were anyway being oppressed by the jihadis and the britshits. WHO were the ungrateful scum that it did benefit and why was he so keen to do so when he was told by so many of his well wishers to drop the matter and move on

when ghundhy was booted out of the first class compartment in south africa, do you know what he did thereafter. ..... ... :mrgreen:

do you know why he is called the "stretcher bearer of the empire" in so many quarters

India existed aeons before ghundy was born, so it did not need a "father", so which country was he the najais father of and the only one birthed during his lifetime was on the eastern and western wings of India

And finally, what are you talking about when the AIT is still being "taught" in India, despite being universally acknowledged as a fraudulent and self serving theory designed by britshit imperialist scum to validate, and vindicate their presence in India and to justify the concept of the superior race and defend their right to over India.

Why did he suddenly move back to India, (or was he transplanted by his venomous and cunning masters with devious and malevolent intent) and how did he so suddenly bloom in the political arena of those days, especially when there were already far better leaders than himself handling the freedom struggle quite well

Ye kis khet ki mooli tha

Ghundhy never differed with this view, neither in his writings nor his public expositions where all he did was glorify the jihadis, and his colonial masters, and constantly demonize the majority. Who was he to agree to Indian soldiers fighting for the britshits in both the world wars, where many many tens of thousands died for a country that wasn't theirs and didn't "have a dog in the fight"

did he even once mention the dead and wounded, the very people he had callously sent out to die, without even asking them if they wanted to go, all for his petty political gains.

Did he get us freedom or did he simply grab the victory that was crafted and carved out by subsash chandra bose and his INA, where the britshits ran scared, petrified of the violence that would have been unleashed on them, had matters gotten out of hand after the Naval mutiny gave them a taste of what was to come if they stayed on

So, what exactly was his role and who benefited most of all.

It certainly wasn't India

It's always the "Cui bono?" analysis which leads you to the truth


Gandhi suggested to British Viceroy Lord Mountbatten that India’s unity (during partition) might be saved if Jinnah were made PM of India and India’s cabinet was made exclusively Muslim. Mountbatten, taken slightly aback, politely told the Mahatma he would think about it, knowing full well that he wouldn’t!!
- Excerpt from Sam Dalrymple’s ‘Shattered Lands: Five Partitions and the Making of Modern Asia’

This is while Gandhi kept a small statue of the three wise monkeys representing "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" and preached non-violence to Hindus!!

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And, look where it got us finally: Saddled with a christian constitution in a Hindu Nation
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-Ghana has world’s 10th largest lithium reserves
-Trinidad & Tobago hydrocarbons
-Argentina 2nd largest lithium, 2nd largest shale gas
-Namibia 3rd largest uranium reserves

#India’s PM Modi is visiting all countries in addition to #BRICS2025

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^^Wonder what we are stabilising vis-a-vis trade in these 5 Nation visit!!
Argentina ??Uranium
Ghana ??firming up some sweet crude and Gold??
Trinidad again Oil and firming up on ?Ethnic contacts
Namibia Hmm Uranium again
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From my blog:

On March 31, 1947, Gandhi suggested to Viceroy Lord Mountbatten that Jinnah and the Muslim League be given the opportunity to form a Cabinet for India, the Congress would not be in the government but would cooperate. Mountbatten was taken aback by this, but this was not a new proposal. It has been proposed in 1940 and 1942, in 1946, and possibly on one other occasion. {If we believe Wali Khan, Gandhi had made such an offer from prison in a letter to Jinnah in 1943, which caused some anxiety to the British that Jinnah might accept.}


Incidentally, if we believe V.P. Menon, Jinnah was wary of such proposals, because he was afraid that the Congress would genuinely cooperate with the Muslim League and that would put paid to the Pakistan scheme.

The Viceroy recorded in the same note, that per Nehru, “ Mr Gandhi was immensely keen on a unified India, at any immediate cost, for the benefit of the long term future......”.

This Sam Dalrymple - does he mention any of the above?
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Google AI summary:

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has spoken and written on several occasions about Mahatma Gandhi and his impact, emphasizing various aspects of his life and teachings.

PM Modi's key points regarding Mahatma Gandhi:

Gandhi as a transformative leader: Modi has highlighted Gandhi's role in awakening the nation and fostering a mass movement for India's independence, driven by the principles of truth and non-violence.

Emphasis on "Jan Andolan" (People's Movement): He emphasizes how Gandhi empowered ordinary people and integrated them into the freedom struggle, viewing every task as a vital contribution.

Inspiration for his own initiatives: PM Modi has stated that Gandhi's vision inspires his own initiatives, particularly those focused on involving the common man and fostering "Jan Bhagidari" (people's participation).

Promoting Gandhi's legacy: He has expressed the importance of making Gandhi's legacy known globally, stating that the world did not fully grasp Gandhi's significance until films were made about him. This comment, however, sparked some debate and criticism.

Focus on cleanliness, self-reliance, and rural empowerment: Modi has also pointed to Gandhi's thoughts on cleanliness, self-reliance, and empowering rural India as continuing sources of inspiration.

Sharing Gandhi's values globally: PM Modi has aimed to share Gandhi's values of peace, non-violence, and simplicity with the world, according to MyGovIndia.

Personal Connection: He has even shared that he keeps a personal diary featuring Gandhi's quotes, suggesting a personal connection to his teachings.

Points of Note and Discussion:

While Modi frequently invokes Gandhi, some commentators suggest that Gandhi's values might not align with certain aspects of Modi's political ideology.

Modi's statement about Gandhi's global recognition being linked to the film "Gandhi" has drawn criticism, with some arguing that Gandhi's influence was already well-established internationally.
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Maharashtra should declare Sanskrit as the third language and end the language controversy. Many if not most northern states have chosen Sanskrit as third language.
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A_Gupta wrote: 05 Jul 2025 17:54 From my blog:

On March 31, 1947, Gandhi suggested to Viceroy Lord Mountbatten that Jinnah and the Muslim League be given the opportunity to form a Cabinet for India, the Congress would not be in the government but would cooperate. Mountbatten was taken aback by this, but this was not a new proposal. It has been proposed in 1940 and 1942, in 1946, and possibly on one other occasion. {If we believe Wali Khan, Gandhi had made such an offer from prison in a letter to Jinnah in 1943, which caused some anxiety to the British that Jinnah might accept.}


Incidentally, if we believe V.P. Menon, Jinnah was wary of such proposals, because he was afraid that the Congress would genuinely cooperate with the Muslim League and that would put paid to the Pakistan scheme.

The Viceroy recorded in the same note, that per Nehru, “ Mr Gandhi was immensely keen on a unified India, at any immediate cost, for the benefit of the long term future......”.

This Sam Dalrymple - does he mention any of the above?

So, A_Gupta ji, who is to be believed then....... ....... :mrgreen:

everyone or no one

I know what many people believe and one tends to agree with their views

These is overwhelming evidence for that belief to have taken serious root, from different authors, and from different countries

Collusion is statistically impossible, coordination is out of the question, and cooperation is inconceivable, given that the writings emanate from different geographies and time lines spread over multiple decades and continents

just because one is now willing to go against the common (and hypocritical) view, it does not mean that Modi ji is always right but what is to be appreciated and expected is that political correctness still rules. Any occasion can be cynically sanctified by a mouthful of meaningless ghundhyisms to set the mood and evoke a sense of intellectual and spiritual flourish. No one takes it seriously, but at the same time no one will dare to criticize it either. It is the perfect political tadka that goes well with politicians of every hue, flavor, caste, creed, and taste, be it left, center, or right wing, and it easily accommodates urban naxals and toxic woke extremists of the desert cults and similar persuasions

what other successful politico will espouse a contrary view, if he is to succeed at his profession, every one will have to say: peace and goodwill on earth, but immediately after that they will very quietly authorize the dropping of bunker busters on their "friends and allies"

That BS about ahimsa and turning the other cheek has never worked and it never will, but it does make for good copy and media hype

Real politik, in its essence, often boils down to saying one thing and then doing just the opposite.




Remember what Dr Ambedkar said: ‘Gandhi’s politics is hollow and noisy, full of treachery and deceit’: This is what Dr Ambedkar said about the ‘mahatma’

(from the article ‘Is Gandhi A Mahatma?’ Dr Ambedkar wrote for a Marathi Magazine Chittra.

It was published in its Dipavali Special Number, J 938.

It is also available on page 66 of ‘Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar – Writings and speeches volume 17 part II‘ available on Ministry of External Affairs website.) https://www.mea.gov.in/Images/CPV/Volume17_Part_II.pdf


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Wishing Indian team all the best as they head towards Dubai, UAE for the 57th International Chemistry Olympiad from July 5-14, 2025!
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Yayavar wrote: 05 Jul 2025 04:27 @Vayu A 24 year old clerk, narrowly focused on his own ilk, wrote a prejudiced letter. No doubt about it. He even used AIT to plead equivalence to the Anglos. I am suggesting that the words of the 24 year old rookie clerk do not define him. Are there later statements?
He was admitted to bar 2 years before in London. He was in Africa in 1893. American Civil War ended in 1865. I read somewhere that Lincoln was one of his role models. Given that he was a lawyer, he would have read enough legal history about slavery. He still held those beliefs when he was 24.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 05 Jul 2025 23:45
Yayavar wrote: 05 Jul 2025 04:27 @Vayu A 24 year old clerk, narrowly focused on his own ilk, wrote a prejudiced letter. No doubt about it. He even used AIT to plead equivalence to the Anglos. I am suggesting that the words of the 24 year old rookie clerk do not define him. Are there later statements?
He was admitted to bar 2 years before in London. He was in Africa in 1893. American Civil War ended in 1865. I read somewhere that Lincoln was one of his role models. Given that he was a lawyer, he would have read enough legal history about slavery. He still held those beliefs when he was 24.
Yes, and the year is 1893. I am not arguing that the letter is not racist - he also believes the mythical Aryan race. But then didn't he evolve to have more balanced views? In this forum one has witnessed multiple veterans talk of how their opinions changed from being 'aman' to jingos on joining BRF. People learn and evolve. Or,.did your egress from college fully formed? So unless he kept his racist views in later years I would rather oppose this characterization even in Ghana.
Would be interesting to see what Mandela or other SA leaders thought of Gandhi. Gandhi did narrowly focus on the Indian condition in SA though.
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chetak wrote: 05 Jul 2025 12:57
Yayavar wrote: 05 Jul 2025 04:27 @Vayu A 24 year old clerk, narrowly focused on his own ilk, wrote a prejudiced letter. No doubt about it. He even used AIT to plead equivalence to the Anglos. I am suggesting that the words of the 24 year old rookie clerk do not define him. Are there later statements?

Yayavar ji,


The point being made is that ghundhy agreed with and endorsed his views, the rest is mere window dressing

He implied that Indians were higher than the kaffirs and lower than the britshits, and ghundhy endorsed those deeply racist views unreservedly

why did he poke his unwanted nose into the khilafat movement and how did that stooopidity help the beleaguered majority who were anyway being oppressed by the jihadis and the britshits. WHO were the ungrateful scum that it did benefit and why was he so keen to do so when he was told by so many of his well wishers to drop the matter and move on

when ghundhy was booted out of the first class compartment in south africa, do you know what he did thereafter. ..... ... :mrgreen:

do you know why he is called the "stretcher bearer of the empire" in so many quarters

India existed aeons before ghundy was born, so it did not need a "father", so which country was he the najais father of and the only one birthed during his lifetime was on the eastern and western wings of India

And finally, what are you talking about when the AIT is still being "taught" in India, despite being universally acknowledged as a fraudulent and self serving theory designed by britshit imperialist scum to validate, and vindicate their presence in India and to justify the concept of the superior race and defend their right to over India.

Why did he suddenly move back to India, (or was he transplanted by his venomous and cunning masters with devious and malevolent intent) and how did he so suddenly bloom in the political arena of those days, especially when there were already far better leaders than himself handling the freedom struggle quite well

Ye kis khet ki mooli tha

Ghundhy never differed with this view, neither in his writings nor his public expositions where all he did was glorify the jihadis, and his colonial masters, and constantly demonize the majority. Who was he to agree to Indian soldiers fighting for the britshits in both the world wars, where many many tens of thousands died for a country that wasn't theirs and didn't "have a dog in the fight"

did he even once mention the dead and wounded, the very people he had callously sent out to die, without even asking them if they wanted to go, all for his petty political gains.

Did he get us freedom or did he simply grab the victory that was crafted and carved out by subsash chandra bose and his INA, where the britshits ran scared, petrified of the violence that would have been unleashed on them, had matters gotten out of hand after the Naval mutiny gave them a taste of what was to come if they stayed on

So, what exactly was his role and who benefited most of all.

It certainly wasn't India

It's always the "Cui bono?" analysis which leads you to the truth


Gandhi suggested to British Viceroy Lord Mountbatten that India’s unity (during partition) might be saved if Jinnah were made PM of India and India’s cabinet was made exclusively Muslim. Mountbatten, taken slightly aback, politely told the Mahatma he would think about it, knowing full well that he wouldn’t!!
- Excerpt from Sam Dalrymple’s ‘Shattered Lands: Five Partitions and the Making of Modern Asia’

This is while Gandhi kept a small statue of the three wise monkeys representing "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" and preached non-violence to Hindus!!

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And, look where it got us finally: Saddled with a christian constitution in a Hindu Nation
Chetak, that is a long list to address. I am aware of the events.In any case it is the letter - do you have the complete original - that is the subject of my response. He was entering the fray to remove the restrictions on Indians. He chose an approach that we certainly find objectionable and prob any others did too. Did he continue to be prejudiced against the Africans? Stretcher bearer brigade was not racist, khilafat was not. One may disagree or consider these reprehensible even, but that is not racist.

Another facet which the PM also follows - Gandhi name is a kind of soft power. Use it. Gandhi the person had many flaws and made many errors but that doesn't mean that soft power is unreal. So why let some student, probably 24 and angry, spoil it. No need to defend the letter though which I am not.
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So, A_Gupta ji, who is to be believed then....... ....... :mrgreen:
Anyone who presents the complete story, or as complete a story as possible, and who is writing not merely to sell books. Ideally, they are pursuing history as desh-bhakti and have no other agenda. And the differences in opinions among desh-bhakts we can respect that, that is our culture.

Has any such history been written yet? I do not know.

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About "Father of the Nation" - yes, completely erase that. Just call Gandhi what his contemporaries called him, "Bapuji".

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Anyway, I came here to Modi 3.0 for a different reason, a real surprise.

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... lity-story
Contrary to popular narratives, India is not merely the world’s fourth-largest economy; it is also the world’s fourth most equal society. According to the World Bank’s Gini Index—an index that measures the extent to which the distribution of income or consumption by households in an economy deviates from a perfectly equal distribution (a Gini Index of 0 represents perfect equality, 100 perfect inequality)—India is more equal than every member of the developed G7 and the wider G20 (see Table).

India’s Gini Index currently stands at 25.5 and is classified by the World Bank as a country with a “moderately low” inequality. It is just half a point away from joining the club of “low inequality” countries—the Slovak Republic (24.1), Slovenia (24.3), and Belarus (24.4). Excluding these, India has a more equal society than all the other 167 countries for which World Bank data is available. India is 10 points higher than China, 15 points higher than the United States (US).

Led by India and ending with Canada, 30 countries have a “moderately low” score, between 25 and 30. This includes four out of five Nordic countries (Iceland at 26.6, Norway at 26.9, Finland at 27.9 and Denmark at 29.3), Poland, Europe’s fast-growing US$800 billion economy, is a t 28.9, Belgium, European Union’s headquarters at 26.4, and the United Arab Emirates, the world’s biggest attractor of billionaires, at 26.4.

Also this YouTube: The Carvaka Podcast, which I recommend.
"In this podcast Kushal speaks with Gautam Chikermane about his latest paper where he explains how contrary to popular narratives, India is not merely the world’s fourth-largest economy; World Bank data says it is also the world’s fourth most equal society."

https://www.youtube.com/live/R4m_-WvnVm ... 3pwmQztIDz

I am actually in a bit of shock and am still to get over my skepticism fully. But the data seem good. If this finding hold true, this is very good news for India and for the vitality of Indian democracy. It means that the Indian state is really being run for the welfare of all of the people.

Incidentally it also completely crushes a narrative that was building up against India among the 0.5 front and in Europe and the US about India and Indian economic growth.
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Yayavar wrote: 06 Jul 2025 07:44
chetak wrote: 05 Jul 2025 12:57


Yayavar ji,


The point being made is that ghundhy agreed with and endorsed his views, the rest is mere window dressing

He implied that Indians were higher than the kaffirs and lower than the britshits, and ghundhy endorsed those deeply racist views unreservedly

why did he poke his unwanted nose into the khilafat movement and how did that stooopidity help the beleaguered majority who were anyway being oppressed by the jihadis and the britshits. WHO were the ungrateful scum that it did benefit and why was he so keen to do so when he was told by so many of his well wishers to drop the matter and move on

when ghundhy was booted out of the first class compartment in south africa, do you know what he did thereafter. ..... ... :mrgreen:

do you know why he is called the "stretcher bearer of the empire" in so many quarters

India existed aeons before ghundy was born, so it did not need a "father", so which country was he the najais father of and the only one birthed during his lifetime was on the eastern and western wings of India

And finally, what are you talking about when the AIT is still being "taught" in India, despite being universally acknowledged as a fraudulent and self serving theory designed by britshit imperialist scum to validate, and vindicate their presence in India and to justify the concept of the superior race and defend their right to over India.

Why did he suddenly move back to India, (or was he transplanted by his venomous and cunning masters with devious and malevolent intent) and how did he so suddenly bloom in the political arena of those days, especially when there were already far better leaders than himself handling the freedom struggle quite well

Ye kis khet ki mooli tha

Ghundhy never differed with this view, neither in his writings nor his public expositions where all he did was glorify the jihadis, and his colonial masters, and constantly demonize the majority. Who was he to agree to Indian soldiers fighting for the britshits in both the world wars, where many many tens of thousands died for a country that wasn't theirs and didn't "have a dog in the fight"

did he even once mention the dead and wounded, the very people he had callously sent out to die, without even asking them if they wanted to go, all for his petty political gains.

Did he get us freedom or did he simply grab the victory that was crafted and carved out by subsash chandra bose and his INA, where the britshits ran scared, petrified of the violence that would have been unleashed on them, had matters gotten out of hand after the Naval mutiny gave them a taste of what was to come if they stayed on

So, what exactly was his role and who benefited most of all.

It certainly wasn't India

It's always the "Cui bono?" analysis which leads you to the truth






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And, look where it got us finally: Saddled with a christian constitution in a Hindu Nation
Chetak, that is a long list to address. I am aware of the events.In any case it is the letter - do you have the complete original - that is the subject of my response. He was entering the fray to remove the restrictions on Indians. He chose an approach that we certainly find objectionable and prob any others did too. Did he continue to be prejudiced against the Africans? Stretcher bearer brigade was not racist, khilafat was not. One may disagree or consider these reprehensible even, but that is not racist.

Another facet which the PM also follows - Gandhi name is a kind of soft power. Use it. Gandhi the person had many flaws and made many errors but that doesn't mean that soft power is unreal. So why let some student, probably 24 and angry, spoil it. No need to defend the letter though which I am not.

Yayavar ji,

I have access to a lot of the books that throw light on this "saint", as do a great many people.

The rest are easily available on the net.

Did you even look or are you waiting for someone to provide references

Your responses are now bordering on trolling.

you are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

That "soft power" that you so blithely talk about resulted in pukestan and cashmere and the IWT debacles, among other fiascos too many to mention. India is still paying the price for those idiotic decisions, the civilizational wounds which were deliberately imposed on us by external powers using such catspaws. This "soft power" trapped us in the "Hindu rate of growth" and also caused china to attack in 1962.

We became a geopolitical joke and an international basket case, begging for food aid from the west. ahimsa jai ho

Today, with Modi ji speaking the brahmos basha, the pakis are on not only on their knees begging for water, but the rest of the world too are also looking at India with a new set of eyes and wondering: when did these guys grow a pair

we still continue to use our real and dharmic tempered soft power, not the dubious one that we were venomously saddled with in 1947, but now the steel hand has emerged decisively from the velvet glove, for every one to see

this matter ends here.
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Here is South Africa's ANC understanding of this phase of Gandhi's life.
https://www.mkgandhi.org/articles/jamesdhunt.php

If one doesn't want to read the long essay, here is the conclusion:
Conclusion

How are we to evaluate this inability of Gandhi to work in cooperation with Black people?

The Indians, Coloured and Africans were often fighting their battles in different colonies, against different laws, and on the basis of different cultural foundations. The Coloured achieved the first effective political organization, the Indians launched an unconventional passive resistance struggle, and the Blacks, with a larger and more heterogeneous population, were finally forced into unity by the Land Act. The separatist and ethnocentric views of Gandhi and the Indians were often matched by leaders in the other groups; none seems to have been as inclusive in perspective as Dr. Abdurrahman. With the qualified exception of Abdurrahmman, it seems doubtful that a common strategy was an alternative seriously entertained by any non-White group.

Gandhi began as a very conventional Victorian Indian, seeking accomodation and personal success within the British Empire. He shared the prejudices of his class concerning Black people, and his lifestyle and work kept him isolated from them. In this respect he became a segregationist, albeit a liberal one, arguing for a special status for his own people while objecting to the treatment given the Black Africans.

Gandhi also exhibited class limitations within the Indian community. Recent studies such as Swan's have demonstrated the inability of Gandhi to recognize the needs of indentured Indians or to offer leadership to the mass of Indians until the very end of his South African career.

None of these should be surprising, except for the tendency to wish that our heroes would have been consistently heroic throughout their lives. Gandhi began as a perfectly ordinary intelligent lawyer trying to establish a career. In time he transformed himself into something else. It is that transformation which should interest us. He did fail to change South Africa very much, but in the attempt he learned a great deal, grew in personal stature, and left behind a legacy of resistance to injustice.

What he accomplished above all was to develop the concept of a mass non-violent struggle, and to practice several forms of it enough so that he had the authority to attempt other variations in India.

It seems clear that he learned much from his South African experience. When he entered national politics in India, he did what he had not done in Africa. He built a coalition of alliances with many distinct groups. Judith Brown has detailed the process in Gandhi's Rise to Power. Among the groups he sought out was one with which he had had mixed success in Africa, the Muslims. In India he deliberately adopted Muslim political concerns: the Khilafat and the detention of the Ali brothers. He began to break out of the isolation he had fostered in Africa.

It is also true that he retained to the end some of the limitations of his original position. As he drove deeper into the philosophical foundations of Satyagraha, he emphasized the need for Indian cultural roots, which had a strong Hindu flavor. Thus he moved away from the modernizing English cultural ideal which he previously had shared with African and Coloured professionals, and he also moved away from his Muslim merchant hosts (who were simultaneously moving away from him because of the material costs of his campaign, as Swan has shown). Decades later, his use of Hindu symbols such as "Ramraj" was said to have widened the gap between Hindus and Muslims within the nationalist movement. Despite his inclusive intentions, the cultural and religious forms of his politics could not satisfy everyone.

Finally, underlying Gandhi's disinclination to seek effective allies in South Africa was something else: the belief that allies were not really necessary, nor even helpful. Instead of enlisting the support of 440,000 Coloured people and 3.4 million Blacks, Gandhi chose to begin his final, and amazingly successful, campaign with 4 women and 12 men. They were the fruit of his intensive training at Tolstoy Farm and Phoenix. Satyagraha, he believed, depended on committed individuals, not on great numbers. A few people who understood it, and who had prepared themselves physically and spiritually, could resist any power or any government.

If the South African Blacks learned that, he believed they could not fail. The demonstration of satyagraha was the greatest gift he had to offer to both the Indian and the Black people of South Africa.
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One more passage is necessary, since long screeds have been published above by others, I also take the liberty. From the essay referenced above:
After the conclusion of the l913 campaign, Dube was visited by the Rev. W. W. Pearson, who had come from India with Rev. Charles F. Andrews to help Gandhi with the settlement of the dispute. Pearson visited Ohlange Institute in January 1914, accompanied by an adult resident of Phoenix, Raojibhai Patel, who recorded the conversation in his memoirs.

Pearson urged John Dube to take up passive resistance, and Dube replied,

Yes, Mr. Pearson, I understand what you say. I have thought about it a great deal. I have closely studied the struggle of the Indians under Mr. Gandhi's leadership. My eyes have seen many incidents of fearlessness in the course of passive resistance.

Mr. Pearson, we cannot do what the Indians have done. We do not have that divine power. I have been wonderstruck to see their capacity for self-suffering.

Dube then related that he had observed striking Indians near Phoenix standing their ground despite whips, bayonets, and shooting, and he concluded,

Mr. Pearson, if I lead my people along this dangerous path, we shall be destroyed. The Indian labourers may be illiterate, uneducated, ignorant and uncultured, but they come from an ancient culture. That culture is in their blood. A leader like Mr. Gandhi could awaken their latent divinity, their capacity to follow that ancient culture and undergo self-suffering. The inherent divinity in men was activized by Mr. Gandhi in the case of the Indians and they could demonstrate an extraordinary capacity for self-suffering. Our Negro people will not be able to control their tempers in a similar situation. They will hit back in self-defence and that is all the excuse the whites need to wipe us out. If my people kill one white man in their excitement, thousands of my countrymen will be killed with machine-guns and we shall be ruined, totally destroyed. No, Mr. Pearson, we do not have the capacity to take up a passive resistance struggle. The Indians alone are capable of it.

No doubt Dube's speech has been somewhat altered in Patel's recollections, but it has a ring of authenticity. Dube, whose school was receiving government funds, was a cautious man who knew well the hostile environment in which he lived. The story shows his careful observation of the Indian struggle and his awareness of the philosophy behind it.

The press, both White and Black, took notice of Gandhi's passive resistance from the moment of its inception, and frequently speculated on its adoption by the Natives.

Gandhi argued that the adoption of Satyagraha by Blacks would would be beneficial to Whites and Blacks alike. In an interview to The Natal Mercury in 1909, he said,

If the natives were to adopt our methods, and replace physical violence by passive resistance, it would be a positive gain for South Africa. Passive resisters, when they are in the wrong, do mischief only to themselves. When they are right, they succeed in spite of any odds.

In an address to a White audience in a suburb of Johannesburg later that year, he repeated the theme:

Nor could such a weapon, if used by the Natives, do the slightest harm. On the contrary, if the Natives could rise so high as to understand and utilize this force, there would probably be no native question left to be solved.

However, no African satyagraha took place, nor was there any parallel uprising among Africans. Or is that entirely true? In July 1913, after the Orange Free State decided that Black women should carry passes, about 600 women gathered and handed a bag of passes to the authorities. They were imprisoned, and after the campaign was carried on for some years the authorities were forced to withdraw the pass law for women. In 1919 the SANNC (ANC) organized a passive resistance campaign on the Rand (the mining region) in which thousands of passes were handed in and over 700 Africans were jailed. Were these inspired by Gandhi's ideas or his example? I do not yet know. Certainly the great defiance campaign of 1952, led in part by Gandhi's son Manilal, was.
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Supratik wrote: 05 Jul 2025 19:06 Maharashtra should declare Sanskrit as the third language and end the language controversy. Many if not most northern states have chosen Sanskrit as third language.
The following 3rd languages were taught in MAH.
Marathi
Gujarati
Sanskrit
Urdu
French
Maybe others like Kannada, Gurmukhi .....
I can't understand the reluctance to teach a language to a child - I learnt English, Hindi,Marathi, French in school. In SSC I appeared in English, Hindi and French.
My school offered a choice in SSC between Marathi and French.

Nobody had any objections in those days.
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