Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
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^^ Well put
The DGMO call & JD Vance 24-hr volte-face is not due to any sudden love for Pakistan, but because US assets got hit, though not intentionally
This also explains why the White House went from "We support any response from India to avenge Pahalgam" to "We urge restraint" and "We brokered peace". The US wargaming failed spectacularly - they didn't anticipate either Pakis lobbing a missile towards Delhi or India's savage response against the airbases, C&C centres, drone bases, strategic headquarters etc
Massive reset in everyone's expectation of "What India will do"
This is good. Such brutal lessons are necessary to establish deterrence and make people treat us with respect & not tread on our toes
The DGMO call & JD Vance 24-hr volte-face is not due to any sudden love for Pakistan, but because US assets got hit, though not intentionally
This also explains why the White House went from "We support any response from India to avenge Pahalgam" to "We urge restraint" and "We brokered peace". The US wargaming failed spectacularly - they didn't anticipate either Pakis lobbing a missile towards Delhi or India's savage response against the airbases, C&C centres, drone bases, strategic headquarters etc
Massive reset in everyone's expectation of "What India will do"
This is good. Such brutal lessons are necessary to establish deterrence and make people treat us with respect & not tread on our toes
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Agasthi, Here is an X video on the Mirage and JF-17. It was near Bhimber in Pakistan
https://x.com/defencealerts/status/1939 ... C6leA&s=19
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Thanks Ramana ji!
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Cyrano wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 11:54 The reliability of US ' statements on WMD is proven since gulf war days.
US has been putting it's trained mil personnel disguised as non combattant experts in Ukraine and many got killed with no public recognition of their sacrifice. It's not beyond them to do similar in Pak.
The huge underground CC destroyed by Brahmos in Nur Khan probably had US personnel as well. Prompting the US to shove it's boots into Pak's ass and compel them to call our DGMO within the hour.
Truth can be stranger than fiction . America controls paki nukes , period.
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> The DGMO call & JD Vance 24-hr volte-face is not due to any sudden love for Pakistan, but because US assets got hit, though not intentionally
I don’t get this. What US assets would be in a base that may be housing Pakistani nukes and why?
I don’t get this. What US assets would be in a base that may be housing Pakistani nukes and why?
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The only plausible explanation is US assets being stationed for the attack against Iran. But even with this, Unkil is a global expeditionary force and does not really need foreign bases to strike at Iran.
Pak nukes are an enigma. Some believe they have nukes, while others believe they do not. The only thing that Paks have successfully managed to do is nuclear blackmail. But that has now gone out the window with Uri in 2016, Balakot in 2019 and Operation Sindoor in 2025.
There are US personnel at Jacobabad AFB, which is home to the PAF’s Block 50/52 F-16C/Ds. By the way, the PAF Air Chief recently went to the US. He “reportedly” asked for two very interesting acquisitions;
1) AIM-120Ds for the Block 50/52 F-16s
2) Upgrade to Block 70/72 standard for these F-16s
I use the term interesting because if this is true, then PL-15E likely proved subpar, as with the recent examples that crashed landed largely intact in India. Thus the reliance on something proven. Upgrade to Block 70/72 is only logical for the PAF and was bound to happen.
Unkil will likely give in to the Block 70/72 upgrade, but doubtful they will hand over AIM-120Ds. Taiwan has been asking for them vis-à-vis China, but has not complied due to the number of pro-China sympathizers in Taiwan. Pak is far more porous and dangerous.
At best, they will get AIM-120C7s or C8s. Their stock of 500 AIM-120C5s are now at least 15 years old. Not sure of the shelf life of these missiles. If someone knows, please post.
P.S. Only WASPs operate the AIM-120D —> US, UK, Canada, Australia and soon (or probably already) Norway. Read this article below…
U.S. Air Force Aims To Increase Exports Of Air-to-Air Missiles
https://aviationweek.com/shownews/farnb ... r-missiles
18 July 2022
Pak nukes are an enigma. Some believe they have nukes, while others believe they do not. The only thing that Paks have successfully managed to do is nuclear blackmail. But that has now gone out the window with Uri in 2016, Balakot in 2019 and Operation Sindoor in 2025.
There are US personnel at Jacobabad AFB, which is home to the PAF’s Block 50/52 F-16C/Ds. By the way, the PAF Air Chief recently went to the US. He “reportedly” asked for two very interesting acquisitions;
1) AIM-120Ds for the Block 50/52 F-16s
2) Upgrade to Block 70/72 standard for these F-16s
I use the term interesting because if this is true, then PL-15E likely proved subpar, as with the recent examples that crashed landed largely intact in India. Thus the reliance on something proven. Upgrade to Block 70/72 is only logical for the PAF and was bound to happen.
Unkil will likely give in to the Block 70/72 upgrade, but doubtful they will hand over AIM-120Ds. Taiwan has been asking for them vis-à-vis China, but has not complied due to the number of pro-China sympathizers in Taiwan. Pak is far more porous and dangerous.
At best, they will get AIM-120C7s or C8s. Their stock of 500 AIM-120C5s are now at least 15 years old. Not sure of the shelf life of these missiles. If someone knows, please post.
P.S. Only WASPs operate the AIM-120D —> US, UK, Canada, Australia and soon (or probably already) Norway. Read this article below…
U.S. Air Force Aims To Increase Exports Of Air-to-Air Missiles
https://aviationweek.com/shownews/farnb ... r-missiles
18 July 2022
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Anything latest that goes to paki land would be sold to the rival, latest American stuff end up in chini labs and chini stuff in khan land. I don't think anyone in their senses would part with their high end tech to pakis.. swedes made be an exception ( erieye/globaleye)
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Highly doubt porkies are getting the 16s upgraded. I think it's just a threat for trade deal and possibly trying to shove 35s down our throats . The later won't happen after the Kerala debacle .
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F-35 will not come for India, no matter how much Unkil tries to shove it down our throat.
The MRFA is now more or less confirmed, with the number of recent agreements that India has signed with France. It is an open secret that it will be the Rafale ---> viewtopic.php?p=2653539#p2653539 . The only thing that is ambiguous with the Rafale is the number of aircraft being acquired under the MRFA. But that will become clear, once the deal is signed. My mango abdul guess is at minimum a 100 aircraft order for the IAF.
Block 70/72 F-16s for Pakistan are more than likely to occur ---> viewtopic.php?p=2652446#p2652446
Also see below. The AIM-7 mentioned in the article is DDM. The PAF wants the AIM-120D, but will make do with AIM-120C7 or C8s.
Pak air chief in US after Chinese equipment comes a cropper in Op Sindoor
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/p ... 2025-07-03
03 July 2025
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The argument that Unkil will make to India is that with India upgrading its air force, it is only logical to give Pakistan a parity...not in numbers, but in capability. Parity = Deterrence is the argument that will be made to India by the US State Department. Trade deals, F-35, US birds in the MRFA contest are all sideshows. The goal is to constantly keep India on her toes. The Block 70/72 represents no threat to the USAF. There are enough counters in Unkil's kitty to take out those birds if ever required.
The MRFA is now more or less confirmed, with the number of recent agreements that India has signed with France. It is an open secret that it will be the Rafale ---> viewtopic.php?p=2653539#p2653539 . The only thing that is ambiguous with the Rafale is the number of aircraft being acquired under the MRFA. But that will become clear, once the deal is signed. My mango abdul guess is at minimum a 100 aircraft order for the IAF.
Block 70/72 F-16s for Pakistan are more than likely to occur ---> viewtopic.php?p=2652446#p2652446
Also see below. The AIM-7 mentioned in the article is DDM. The PAF wants the AIM-120D, but will make do with AIM-120C7 or C8s.
Pak air chief in US after Chinese equipment comes a cropper in Op Sindoor
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/p ... 2025-07-03
03 July 2025
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The argument that Unkil will make to India is that with India upgrading its air force, it is only logical to give Pakistan a parity...not in numbers, but in capability. Parity = Deterrence is the argument that will be made to India by the US State Department. Trade deals, F-35, US birds in the MRFA contest are all sideshows. The goal is to constantly keep India on her toes. The Block 70/72 represents no threat to the USAF. There are enough counters in Unkil's kitty to take out those birds if ever required.
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French intelligence: China used embassies to undermine sales of France’s flagship Rafale fighter jet
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-inte ... ghter-jet/
06 July 2025
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-inte ... ghter-jet/
06 July 2025
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What deterrence against "this is not an era of war" country India?!
And how should India view a country that arms what Dr SJ has publicly called Terroristan?
State sponsor of a state sponsor of terrorism.
Such a move will set the US on a collision course with india.
And how should India view a country that arms what Dr SJ has publicly called Terroristan?
State sponsor of a state sponsor of terrorism.
Such a move will set the US on a collision course with india.
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What does the US admit to regarding Paki nukes? An AI-assisted summary is as follows:
Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) Assistance and MPC&A:
Since the early 2000s, the U.S. Department of Energy and related agencies have provided Pakistan with:
* Physical‐security upgrades at warhead storage sites
* Material Protection, Control, and Accounting (MPC&A) training for Pakistani personnel
* Technical advice on intrusion detection, perimeter defenses, and safe transport protocols[/list][/list]
This assistance aims to reduce the risk of theft or inadvertent diversion of fissile material, not to assume control of weapons.
Intelligence Sharing and Export Controls
The U.S. and Pakistan maintain channels for:
* Intelligence exchanges on proliferation networks that might target Pakistani facilities
* Joint workshops on export‐control enforcement and interdiction of illicit nuclear‐related trade
Such cooperation bolsters Pakistan’s own safeguards and helps interdict components that could compromise weapons security.
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The simplest explanation is that in the US judgment the security of Paki nukes was compromised - i.e.., further Indian bombardment would maybe open the doors to theft (or plausible story of theft) of Paki weapons,. Whatever verification system the Americans set up to ensure that Paki weapons were secure was broken. So, get a ceasefire.
Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) Assistance and MPC&A:
Since the early 2000s, the U.S. Department of Energy and related agencies have provided Pakistan with:
* Physical‐security upgrades at warhead storage sites
* Material Protection, Control, and Accounting (MPC&A) training for Pakistani personnel
* Technical advice on intrusion detection, perimeter defenses, and safe transport protocols[/list][/list]
This assistance aims to reduce the risk of theft or inadvertent diversion of fissile material, not to assume control of weapons.
Intelligence Sharing and Export Controls
The U.S. and Pakistan maintain channels for:
* Intelligence exchanges on proliferation networks that might target Pakistani facilities
* Joint workshops on export‐control enforcement and interdiction of illicit nuclear‐related trade
Such cooperation bolsters Pakistan’s own safeguards and helps interdict components that could compromise weapons security.
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The simplest explanation is that in the US judgment the security of Paki nukes was compromised - i.e.., further Indian bombardment would maybe open the doors to theft (or plausible story of theft) of Paki weapons,. Whatever verification system the Americans set up to ensure that Paki weapons were secure was broken. So, get a ceasefire.
Last edited by A_Gupta on 06 Jul 2025 23:41, edited 1 time in total.
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The advantages of Pakistan whoring herself to anyone available nation, is that it gives them (albeit short term) benefits. Since when did Unkil ever care (or ever will) about what India thinks? A whore requires payment, upon completion of services.
https://x.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1941864474723401732 ----> Pakistan and US are in final stages of a trade agreement which will be announced by President Trump. US-Pak trade deal will cover zero tarrifs, crypto, rare earth minerals deal and Pakistani textile exports to US.
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No donkey meat in the deal? Oh wait they are all sold to China already 

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This is the ultimate expression of negotiating with a gun to your own head - Pakis have perfected it!A_Gupta wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 23:33 The simplest explanation is that in the US judgment the security of Paki nukes was compromised - i.e.., further Indian bombardment would maybe open the doors to theft (or plausible story of theft) of Paki weapons,. Whatever verification system the Americans set up to ensure that Paki weapons were secure was broken. So, get a ceasefire.
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Recently Marco Rubio, Sec of State of US, said he supports rights for Tibet ( see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZgvYVcCLr8 ). The Dalai Lama recently said a trust will determine the next lama for Tibet (see https://youtu.be/UwLoiBv3RNc ) . India should use Marco Rubio opening on Tibet using QUAD and press for Tibet freedom. This is the key to reducing China's interference with Pak land. A free Tibet means that the issues with China that India is subjected will disappear for the most part. No more sources to rivers that originate in Tibet, no more Arunachal Pradesh, no more chicken neck, no more Aksai Chin with access to Xingjiang, shaksgam valley is gone to India, no more CPEC, etc. The US can have Pak by their C&C balls as far as I am concerned. Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan has stated that the US Army command has a long term map redraw which indicates Baluchistan to be carved out from Pak&Iran, Afghanistan taking some northern territory from Pak. The rump land of PakJabi radicals with Sindudesh and Krachi port is all that is left as Pak land.
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Operation Sindoor is India’s greatest victory since 1971
https://sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/ ... e_vignette
06 July 2025
https://sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/ ... e_vignette
06 July 2025
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And this is exactly why our next strike against the PAF must be a decapitating one. No more PAF = no more equal-equal
The US cannot re-build PAF from scratch without explicitly signaling to India & the World that its actively rebuilding a state sponsor of terror. Its qualitatively & quantitatively different from upgrading two squadrons here or supplying a few missiles there
There is a difference between Zero-to-One vs N-to-(N+1)
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One is wondering what will happen in Sindoor V2.0 for Pak. India will have full reign on the escalation ladder. SEAD/DEAD will be done to the hilt, now that the china maal frequencies are well known in actual battle times. Target salvo will be commenced by the Indian Navy taking out Karachi and neighboring areas. What are the nature of targets? They include Production centers for ammo/weapons, mobile launch sites, key assets like power, gas, heck even nuclear stations, nothing will be spared, including headquarters for PA. There could be loss of territory for Pak land too, IA is waiting to flex its muscle full tilt. The 3 way bombardment will ruin Pak completely and they will take ages to recoup if any.
Aadi Achint is spilling all kinds of interesting nuggets about the extent of damage in Sindoor V1.0 and also some hints on V2.0 targets. China will be sending more of their sophisticated maal for Pak and try their luck in V2.0. For China, they are in a catch 22 situation. CPEC has been ruined (est. 65B sunk costs in Pak corridor). Keeping Pak away from US is making them sweat a lot. If Pak is antogonized by China, the Pak jihadis will start to visit Xinjiang province.
watch YT of Jaipur Diaglogues with Aadi Achint holding fort:
Nur Khan Base Secrets | Decoding Dy COAS Press Conference | Geopolitics - Aadi Achint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrSo4lX7vPs
Aadi Achint is spilling all kinds of interesting nuggets about the extent of damage in Sindoor V1.0 and also some hints on V2.0 targets. China will be sending more of their sophisticated maal for Pak and try their luck in V2.0. For China, they are in a catch 22 situation. CPEC has been ruined (est. 65B sunk costs in Pak corridor). Keeping Pak away from US is making them sweat a lot. If Pak is antogonized by China, the Pak jihadis will start to visit Xinjiang province.
watch YT of Jaipur Diaglogues with Aadi Achint holding fort:
Nur Khan Base Secrets | Decoding Dy COAS Press Conference | Geopolitics - Aadi Achint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrSo4lX7vPs
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One thing is true...
While we public do not know what US is doing inside Pakistan, Indian Armed Forces and intelligence definitely KNEW about US activities in Pakistani Air Base(s)...
And India intentionally hit them...
No one is going to believe that India randomly hit the bases without knowledge of US activities...
It is the only reason why US began openly siding with Pak... They know that we know about their activities... The fact that we still hit them is being seen as 'crossing of the line'...
While we public do not know what US is doing inside Pakistan, Indian Armed Forces and intelligence definitely KNEW about US activities in Pakistani Air Base(s)...
And India intentionally hit them...
No one is going to believe that India randomly hit the bases without knowledge of US activities...
It is the only reason why US began openly siding with Pak... They know that we know about their activities... The fact that we still hit them is being seen as 'crossing of the line'...
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- The lesser talked about aspect of attack on Nur Khan Air Base.
- There was a battery of the Chinese made HQ-9BE SAM at the base.
- PAF bought HQ-9BE with a radar package optimized against Ballistic and Cruise missiles.
- But it failed.
- My analysis!
Op Sindhoor - When Pakistan's HQ-9BE SAM System Failed!
On 22nd April 2025, Pakistani backed Muslim terrorists massacred 26 Hindu tourists in Pahalgam, Kashmir. In retaliation to this heinous act, India launched Operation Sindhoor. Starting from intervening night of May 6 and 7 and till early morning of May 10, the Indian Air Force struck (2) terrorist infrastructure and Pakistan Air Force assets across the length and breadth of Pakistan. As part of Operation Sindhoor, the Indian Air Force targeted the key Pakistan Air Force Base at Chaklala, also known as Pakistan Air Force Base Nur Khan. This despite the fact that Nur Khan Air Base had the much vaunted Chinese HQ-9BE surface to air missile system and yet, it failed spectacularly to intercept Indian air launched missiles from hitting the base. The irony here is that the Pakistan Air Force has opted for the advanced HQ-9BE SAM system with a surveillance and fire control radar package optimized against theatre ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles. But supersonic Brahmos proved too much for the Pakistan's Chinese made HQ-9BE SAM system. In this analysis, I describe the HQ-9BE SAM system, and show with satellite imagery, the presence of HQ-9BE battery at the Nur Khan Air Base of PAF.
- There was a battery of the Chinese made HQ-9BE SAM at the base.
- PAF bought HQ-9BE with a radar package optimized against Ballistic and Cruise missiles.
- But it failed.
- My analysis!
Op Sindhoor - When Pakistan's HQ-9BE SAM System Failed!
On 22nd April 2025, Pakistani backed Muslim terrorists massacred 26 Hindu tourists in Pahalgam, Kashmir. In retaliation to this heinous act, India launched Operation Sindhoor. Starting from intervening night of May 6 and 7 and till early morning of May 10, the Indian Air Force struck (2) terrorist infrastructure and Pakistan Air Force assets across the length and breadth of Pakistan. As part of Operation Sindhoor, the Indian Air Force targeted the key Pakistan Air Force Base at Chaklala, also known as Pakistan Air Force Base Nur Khan. This despite the fact that Nur Khan Air Base had the much vaunted Chinese HQ-9BE surface to air missile system and yet, it failed spectacularly to intercept Indian air launched missiles from hitting the base. The irony here is that the Pakistan Air Force has opted for the advanced HQ-9BE SAM system with a surveillance and fire control radar package optimized against theatre ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles. But supersonic Brahmos proved too much for the Pakistan's Chinese made HQ-9BE SAM system. In this analysis, I describe the HQ-9BE SAM system, and show with satellite imagery, the presence of HQ-9BE battery at the Nur Khan Air Base of PAF.
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^^ good to see you again !!
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China used Pak as a test bed for fighter jets: Vishnu Som
https://starofmysore.com/china-used-pak ... ishnu-som/
06 July 2025
https://starofmysore.com/china-used-pak ... ishnu-som/
06 July 2025
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Union Defence Minister Rajnath on July 7 attended the Controllers Conference organised by DRDO. During his address he hailed the performance of Indigenously manufactured defense products during Operation Sindoor. Additionally, the minister said “If you look at our Defence budget, it's bigger than the GDP of some countries in the world. When a significant portion of people's hard-earned income is allocated to the Defence Ministry, our responsibility increases exponentially — we ned effective growth. Our Defence expenditure should be such that not only does the budget increase, but also we should utilise it in the right way - by proper deployment at the right time for the right objective".
Rajnath Singh’s big revelation, after Op Sindoor, India’s Indigenous Defense Products increased
Rajnath Singh’s big revelation, after Op Sindoor, India’s Indigenous Defense Products increased
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Meanwhile:
.. Pak’s nukes are made in China, their intel is made in China, drones by Turkey… but General Munir insists Operation “Bunyanum Marsoos” was 100% Made in Pakistan.
Guess next time they’ll claim the WiFi signal was homegrown too.
Op Sindoor: Pakistan's Asim Munir claims no 'external support' after India exposes axis with China & Turkey;
.. Pak’s nukes are made in China, their intel is made in China, drones by Turkey… but General Munir insists Operation “Bunyanum Marsoos” was 100% Made in Pakistan.

Guess next time they’ll claim the WiFi signal was homegrown too.
Op Sindoor: Pakistan's Asim Munir claims no 'external support' after India exposes axis with China & Turkey;
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Maj. General G. D. Bakshi (retd) has his own spin on the Sindoor conflict. In GD words stability instability is what India and Pak are at - Stability due China/US thuggery of making Pak equal-equal in the nuclear domain and Instability due to sub conventional terms. Conventionally India is stronger than Pak and in 71 convincingly severed the nation into two with 90+K surrendered to IA. India launched a precision strike on nuclear storage tunnels in the Kirana Hills. The cook off caused two earthquakes, not due to nuclear chain reaction, but the explosive bang caused the earth to rumble. GD believes that there was radiation leak after India struck nuclear sites of Pak in Sindoor.
In Pak many confirmed the radiation leak, they experienced radiation sickness, they were asked to shut windows and change clothes and healthcare workers visited every house in chaklala near the nur khan airbase where they were given some injections / placebo, experienced sickness due to lowered immunity.
GD explains how India's Air Defence worked. Very enjoyable to hear GD explain many things in Operation Sindoor, a true patriot who served in the Army throughout his life.
India Hit Nuclear Weapons Facility: Gen. Bakshi
July 1, 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaeRxqmBt0c
In Pak many confirmed the radiation leak, they experienced radiation sickness, they were asked to shut windows and change clothes and healthcare workers visited every house in chaklala near the nur khan airbase where they were given some injections / placebo, experienced sickness due to lowered immunity.
GD explains how India's Air Defence worked. Very enjoyable to hear GD explain many things in Operation Sindoor, a true patriot who served in the Army throughout his life.
India Hit Nuclear Weapons Facility: Gen. Bakshi
July 1, 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaeRxqmBt0c
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@rohitvats, would Indian radar or other surveillance have the number of surface-to-air missiles launched against each BrahMos; and possibly even their trajectories vs the trajectory of the BrahMos? Am just trying to figure out the type of Pak air defense failure analysis that India would be able to do.
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Q for Asim Munir? -- Will Pakistan hand over to India the mastermind of Pulwama and Pahalgam terror attacks -
PP Chairman and former foreign minister B Bhutto Zardari says Pakistan has no objection to extraditing “individuals of concern” to India as a confidence-building measure, as long as New Delhi shows willingness to cooperate in the process.
Speaking during an exclusive interview with Al Jazeera, the PPP chief responded to a question about extraditing Laskhar-i-Taiba (LeT) chief Hafiz Saeed and Jaish-i-Muhammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar as possible concessions and good-faith gestures to India.
“As part of a comprehensive dialogue with Pakistan, where terrorism is one of the issues that we discuss, I am sure Pakistan would not be opposed to any of these things,” Bilawal said
May. be related this breaking news item:Tahawwur Rana's big confession in 2008 MumbaiAttacks during NIA probe - He was in Mumbai during 26/11 and exposes LET/Army - he was Pak's biggest asset ..


PP Chairman and former foreign minister B Bhutto Zardari says Pakistan has no objection to extraditing “individuals of concern” to India as a confidence-building measure, as long as New Delhi shows willingness to cooperate in the process.
Speaking during an exclusive interview with Al Jazeera, the PPP chief responded to a question about extraditing Laskhar-i-Taiba (LeT) chief Hafiz Saeed and Jaish-i-Muhammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar as possible concessions and good-faith gestures to India.
“As part of a comprehensive dialogue with Pakistan, where terrorism is one of the issues that we discuss, I am sure Pakistan would not be opposed to any of these things,” Bilawal said
May. be related this breaking news item:Tahawwur Rana's big confession in 2008 MumbaiAttacks during NIA probe - He was in Mumbai during 26/11 and exposes LET/Army - he was Pak's biggest asset ..
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Were they? You had been arguing that Pakis developed their own nukes. Would China take such a risk with a Mohammadan country whose army is heavily religionized? They do not like Chinese policy in Xinjiang, I presume.
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I am conjecturing the following scenario:
US with B Clinton and China talked about detergent for India: Clinton with CIA prompting: how about testing tactical nuke weapons? China to Clinton: how many? Clinton: 3 would be good. China to Clinton: yes, we want to test 3 just to be equal-equal. Clinton with CIA: copy-cat, good, done deal. China to Clinton: you know that is 1 more than India tested. we copy many things, some from US too. Clinton: oh good, Pak would be mighty pleased, 1 more than their arch enemy India. That is settled now. China to Clinton: do you have to bring your weapons now. Clinton: no we hid them in bunker A. How about you. China: we hid them in bunker C, but we have the codes. we can use Chinese AI and remotely trigger them, Mao would be pleased. Clinton: the google AI will do that for US. Okay you do it same time as we do it. Just send me the agreed amounts.
End of conjecture.
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Setting the Record Straight: Operation Sindoor and Pakistan’s Nukes
There’s been a lot of recycled misinformation floating around here about Operation Sindoor, especially claims about Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, supposed strikes on nuke sites, and U.S. control. Let’s clear it up with facts:
1. Pakistan does possess nuclear weapons.
This is not in dispute. They have functioning uranium enrichment (via centrifuges) and plutonium production (via reactors). The quantity and enrichment of U-235 and Pu-239 is well understood by global intelligence agencies — including India’s.
2. India was right in saying that “nuclear blackmail” didn’t work.
Operation Sindoor was a success from India's perspective in pushing back aggression without escalation. But that doesn't mean Pakistan didn’t have nukes — it means they didn’t (or couldn’t) use them as a deterrent in this case.
3. No, USA does not have full control over Pakistani nukes.
The U.S. did help with securing them post-9/11 (reportedly ~$300 million assistance), but that’s about safety and security, not operational control. The idea that the U.S. holds the launch codes is more fiction than fact.
4. Claims about U.S./Chinese nukes being tested in place of Pakistani devices are baseless.
Nuclear forensics today can trace fissile material back to its reactor of origin. There’s no doubt that Pakistan conducted its own tests in 1998 with its own material.
5. Trump’s comments (like “I prevented a nuclear war!”) should be taken with caution.
He may have called for a ceasefire — that’s documented — but his tendency to exaggerate doesn’t make those claims technically meaningful.
6. India and Pakistan have a formal agreement not to target nuclear facilities.
This agreement (1988, reaffirmed regularly) has so far been respected. Both sides exchange lists annually. There’s no credible evidence of any nuclear site being hit during Sindoor.
7. Kirana Hills was not an 'active nuclear storage or reactor' (per official list) site.
It was used for testing in the past, but there's no indication it was a nuclear storage site at the time of the operation.
8. No radiation, no credible quake, no U.S. casualties.
Claims about radiation sickness, earthquakes, or American personnel killed during Sindoor are unverified and contradicted by on-ground reports and satellite data. There’s no data suggesting anything nuclear-related occurred.
Let’s separate psychological operations, political theater, and social media folklore from real strategic and nuclear facts. India called Pakistan’s bluff, ABSOLUTELY — but let’s not rewrite nuclear physics or strategic history to make that point.
- Amber G.
There’s been a lot of recycled misinformation floating around here about Operation Sindoor, especially claims about Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, supposed strikes on nuke sites, and U.S. control. Let’s clear it up with facts:
1. Pakistan does possess nuclear weapons.
This is not in dispute. They have functioning uranium enrichment (via centrifuges) and plutonium production (via reactors). The quantity and enrichment of U-235 and Pu-239 is well understood by global intelligence agencies — including India’s.
2. India was right in saying that “nuclear blackmail” didn’t work.
Operation Sindoor was a success from India's perspective in pushing back aggression without escalation. But that doesn't mean Pakistan didn’t have nukes — it means they didn’t (or couldn’t) use them as a deterrent in this case.
3. No, USA does not have full control over Pakistani nukes.
The U.S. did help with securing them post-9/11 (reportedly ~$300 million assistance), but that’s about safety and security, not operational control. The idea that the U.S. holds the launch codes is more fiction than fact.
4. Claims about U.S./Chinese nukes being tested in place of Pakistani devices are baseless.
Nuclear forensics today can trace fissile material back to its reactor of origin. There’s no doubt that Pakistan conducted its own tests in 1998 with its own material.
5. Trump’s comments (like “I prevented a nuclear war!”) should be taken with caution.
He may have called for a ceasefire — that’s documented — but his tendency to exaggerate doesn’t make those claims technically meaningful.
6. India and Pakistan have a formal agreement not to target nuclear facilities.
This agreement (1988, reaffirmed regularly) has so far been respected. Both sides exchange lists annually. There’s no credible evidence of any nuclear site being hit during Sindoor.
7. Kirana Hills was not an 'active nuclear storage or reactor' (per official list) site.
It was used for testing in the past, but there's no indication it was a nuclear storage site at the time of the operation.
8. No radiation, no credible quake, no U.S. casualties.
Claims about radiation sickness, earthquakes, or American personnel killed during Sindoor are unverified and contradicted by on-ground reports and satellite data. There’s no data suggesting anything nuclear-related occurred.
Let’s separate psychological operations, political theater, and social media folklore from real strategic and nuclear facts. India called Pakistan’s bluff, ABSOLUTELY — but let’s not rewrite nuclear physics or strategic history to make that point.
- Amber G.
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Great post Amber G. Needs to be pinned.
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Okay.
So what explains why Pak preferred a cease fire after initially deciding to go all out backing the terrorists?
So what explains why Pak preferred a cease fire after initially deciding to go all out backing the terrorists?
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^ the conventional kick in the mush was more than enough for them to go crying to their mai-baaps . Remember these are whiskey swigging pak-jabis. Fewer need to be slaughtered before they surrender compared to their middle eastern phor phathers who can endure destruction for a long time and still hold on to hostages .
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Yeah, Pakistan does possess nuclear weapon - the design happens to be that of China with Uranium of Pak. Yes you can trace it back to their uranium. Remember Nawaz Sharif ran to China and begged their Emperor to please, please pretty please explode one as a deterrent against India in 1998. China took whatever enrichment the Pak had and did the rest. There is no way Pak has the wherewithal to design a complex nuclear bomb, what madrassa education teaches about nuclear stuff to students. All the smart ones left Pak for greener videshi shores.
After this incident, US NSA Sandy Berger tied ABV hands in Kargill using the silly phrase "nuclear flashpoint" which is the deterrent against India. In Sindoor, India showed Pak they can't use the highest i.e. Nuclear while using sub-conventional warfare or even conventional warefare and get away from it. C&C built by GE was taken out in Nur Khan with everything entombed, which made Assim Manure call up the US and press for ceasefire.
After this incident, US NSA Sandy Berger tied ABV hands in Kargill using the silly phrase "nuclear flashpoint" which is the deterrent against India. In Sindoor, India showed Pak they can't use the highest i.e. Nuclear while using sub-conventional warfare or even conventional warefare and get away from it. C&C built by GE was taken out in Nur Khan with everything entombed, which made Assim Manure call up the US and press for ceasefire.
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Well, that would presume that terrorists are less human than Pakjabis. Or the initial strikes on places like Muridke were not sufficiently successful.gakakkad wrote: ↑08 Jul 2025 05:55 ^ the conventional kick in the mush was more than enough for them to go crying to their mai-baaps . Remember these are whiskey swigging pak-jabis. Fewer need to be slaughtered before they surrender compared to their middle eastern phor phathers who can endure destruction for a long time and still hold on to hostages .
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^^ i think they wanted an H&D victory and cause some damage to Indians. They clearly got high on their own supply. they believed that the toorki bakra-actor drones or chini maal will actually work. didn't realize their balls will further be chopped.
also your presumption is true... terrorists are foor soldier from poor background . pak-jabi rape elites are whiskey swigging suit wearing , british/amriki passport holding pot bellied folks .. some of those were killed on 9/10 may such as sqd leader usman .
they really didn't anticipate what we did.
also your presumption is true... terrorists are foor soldier from poor background . pak-jabi rape elites are whiskey swigging suit wearing , british/amriki passport holding pot bellied folks .. some of those were killed on 9/10 may such as sqd leader usman .
they really didn't anticipate what we did.
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So what you said here is one of the following? How do we differentiate unless you leave a marker or emoji, hain ji?

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#WATCH Trump is still at it .. says ..
.."We stopped a lot of fights, very, very big one was India and Pakistan. We stopped that over trade. We are dealing with India and Pakistan. We said that we are not going to be dealing with you at all if you are gonna fight. They were maybe at a nuclear stage...Stopping that was really important.
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Meanwhile:
Eric Trappier, Dassault CEO, confirmed no Indian Rafale jets were lost in combat during Operation Sindoor, with only one technical incident under probe.
( IIRC US officials verified at least one via Reuters... this indicate disinformation from Pakistan and China )
Eric Trappier, Dassault CEO, confirmed no Indian Rafale jets were lost in combat during Operation Sindoor, with only one technical incident under probe.
( IIRC US officials verified at least one via Reuters... this indicate disinformation from Pakistan and China )