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Indian media and YT analcysts are waxing eloquent on Billori Bhutto's statements. He has no locus standii in the matter.
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Government orders were clear: target terror infrastructure. That covers PA, PAF and PN.

‘India lost one Rafale fighter jet due to…’: Dassault CEO rejects Pakistan's claim during Operation Sindoor
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 75371.html
08 July 2025
The head of French company Dassault Aviation, which manufactures Rafale aircraft, called Pakistan's claim of shooting down three Rafale jets "inaccurate and unfounded". French website Avion Chasse cited Trappier admitting that "the loss of one aircraft" occurred without enemy contact. He said the loss was in connection with a technical failure at a high altitude.

Meanwhile, India's defence secretary RK Singh on Monday told CNBC TV18 that it was incorrect to say Rafale jets were shot down by the Pakistani Air Force. "You have used the term Rafales in the plural, I can assure you that is absolutely not correct. Pakistan suffered losses many times over India in both human and material terms, and more than 100 terrorists," he told the news outlet.

Earlier in June, India’s defence attache to Indonesia and Navy Captain Shiv Kumar had said …. orders were only to target terror infrastructure in Islamabad.
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How reliable is IDRW?
India to share PL-15E debris with friendly nation
https://idrw.org/india-to-transfer-chin ... -interest/
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Amber G. wrote: 08 Jul 2025 02:23 Q for Asim Munir? -- Will Pakistan hand over to India the mastermind of Pulwama and Pahalgam terror attacks - :?: :?:

PP Chairman and former foreign minister B Bhutto Zardari says Pakistan has no objection to extraditing “individuals of concern” to India as a confidence-building measure, as long as New Delhi shows willingness to cooperate in the process.
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Much sensationalism over this diarrheal discharge from this cretin. He is trying to go back to "kagaz dikhao" phase again.

Release of at least both Saeed and Azhar should be the unconditional per-requisites for any voluntary release of water by India. IWT should be diluted with Pakistan getting much less water and subject to annual approvals by the MHA (wrt terrorism) and MEA (wrt treatment of minorities).
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China, Pakistan And A Proxy War Against India? What The Army Just Revealed

For the first time, a senior Indian Army officer has publicly detailed how China provided real-time intelligence to Pakistan during India's cross-border strikes. The Deputy Chief of Army Staff, Lieutenant General Rahul Singh, revealed that China not only armed Pakistan, but also gave it satellite data and surveillance inputs during the operation, suggesting a far more active role than previously acknowledged. What does this mean for India’s military strategy going forward?

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Rakesh wrote: 06 Jul 2025 23:23 French intelligence: China used embassies to undermine sales of France’s flagship Rafale fighter jet
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-inte ... ghter-jet/
06 July 2025
VIDEO: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1942295328109351114 ---> China’s campaign against the Rafale through its embassies is because the Operation Sindoor report card paints a bleak picture of how Chinese air defence systems were totally paralysed and struck, partially by Rafale EW and SCALP attacks. Truth hurts.
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A_Gupta wrote: 08 Jul 2025 17:51 How reliable is IDRW?
India to share PL-15E debris with friendly nation
https://idrw.org/india-to-transfer-chin ... -interest/
IDRW operates in two ways;

1) Plagiarizes others' articles and passes it off as its own

2) Makes up unbelievable stuff.

In the case of the PL-15E episode, it is the first one above.
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Some reports have said it was PL-15 and not PL-15E
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If the loss was due to an accident or malfunction then it cannot be attributed to the enemy.
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:P :lol:

China denies backing Pakistan in Op Sindoor, urges strengthening ties with India
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/c ... 2025-07-08
08 July 2025
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Looks like China has adopted the Vedic concept of माया Maya. माया Maya is deemed as नास्तित्वं non-existent and अस्तित्व existent at the same time. The chinese माया Maya (अध्यस्त adhyasth superimposition / disguise) cloaks/hides China (which is अधिष्ठान basis) selectively. माया Maya has त्रिगुण triguna – तमस् रजस् सत्त्व tamas, rajas, sattva. The तमस् aspect is Pak and in the world stage they project सत्त्व to say "all is good". रजस् is displayed by PLA who run away given the nature of conflict.
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eklavya wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:26 Government orders were clear: target terror infrastructure. That covers PA, PAF and PN.

‘India lost one Rafale fighter jet due to…’: Dassault CEO rejects Pakistan's claim during Operation Sindoor
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 75371.html
08 July 2025
This article had more details, Dassault looked at logs of Spectra to find engagement details etc ... It's removed from the article now.
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bala wrote: 08 Jul 2025 22:18 Looks like China has adopted the Vedic concept of माया Maya. माया Maya is deemed as नास्तित्वं non-existent and अस्तित्व existent at the same time. The chinese माया Maya (अध्यस्त adhyasth superimposition / disguise) cloaks/hides China (which is अधिष्ठान basis) selectively. माया Maya has त्रिगुण triguna – तमस् रजस् सत्त्व tamas, rajas, sattva. The तमस् aspect is Pak and in the world stage they project सत्त्व to say "all is good". रजस् is displayed by PLA who run away given the nature of conflict.
Without digressing the topic, minor correction that is Advaitic concept of Maya not Vedic. Maya is understood differently in other vedantic schools especially of Vaishnaivaite origin.

Also, if I recall the reading is Maya is neither sat (existent) nor asat (non existent) hence something else indescribable (anirvachaniya) (from Ista Siddhi of Vimuktatmanam)
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Sumeet wrote: 09 Jul 2025 00:43 Without digressing the topic, minor correction that is Advaitic concept of Maya not Vedic. Maya is understood differently in other vedantic schools especially of Vaishnaivaite origin.

Also, if I recall the reading is Maya is neither sat (existent) nor asat (non existent) hence something else indescribable (anirvachaniya) (from Ista Siddhi of Vimuktatmanam)
Rig Veda tenth Mandala (10:129) decribes maya:
नासदासीन्नो सदासीत्तदानीं नासीद्रजो नो व्योमा परो यत् ।
which is न असद आसीन्न न सद असीत् तदानीं ; तदानीं - at the time of pralay.

न असद आसीन्न न सद असीत् no non-existence and no existence
Maya is also termed अनिर्वचनीयम् Anirvichiniyam – something I see but there is no cause.
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How to Take Back POJK, India's Plan for Skardu, Op Sindoor I Col Ajay Raina, Sanjay Dixit, Aadi

In this YT Ajay Raina, Aadi Achint and Sanjay Dixit discuss something which should be under serious consideration of the politicos of India. For Operation Sindoor V2.0 this should be on the table. The PoJK is not about Pak, tis about China since they need CPEC working and also Aksai Chin/Skaksgam valley are at stake. Skardu is an important strategic place wherein China has parked their J10C fleet and advanced equipment. Col Ajay Raina gives the Indian Army perspective. During ABV Kargill time, USA Sandy Berger forbade Indian airforce from crossing the Line of Control. Nowadays India can strike from stand off distances. The entire CPEC route is heavily militarized by the Chinese with oil depots, weapons stashes and more. India needs a multi-dimensional thrust with a good shower of brahmos on key assets. There is the outstanding threat by Pak on usage of tactical nuke weapons if India comes into PoJK.

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"मायातन्त्रविज्ञानम् — यथा मम भौतिकाचार्येणोक्तम्"
"The Technology of Maya — As Told by My Physics Guru"

मायायाः चीनरूपं – अनुष्टुभ् छन्दस्:

अधिष्ठानं स्थिरं चीनं, माया तत्र प्रवर्तते।
द्वीपं स्वं करुणा त्यक्त्वा, भूत्वा राष्ट्रं विभाव्यते॥१॥

तमः पाकिस्तानरूपे, स्थैर्यं लज्जां च धत्ति सः।
रजो गुणः पलायित्वे, यत्र सेनाऽपि मुह्यति॥२॥

सत्त्वं च विदेशवाणी, "सर्वं शुभम्" इति स्तवैः।
नीतिः स्वच्छा इति ख्यातं, वस्तुतस्तु मृषा मया॥३॥

लेखा इतिहासरूपेण, नूतनं लेख्यते पुनः।
मानचित्राणि कल्पन्ते, कवीनां दृग्भिरेव च॥४॥

मायां चीनो न केवलं, अङ्गीकृत्यैव वर्तते।
उद्योगेन समायुक्तां, बहिर्नीत्यां प्रसारयेत्॥५॥
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More for the ISPR x-ashna fan boys to BLOW harder after eating more Pindi-Channa ..

X-Guard Towed Decoys -

>>
At the center of the operation was the Rafale’s X-Guard, an AI-powered towed decoy system that helped foil Pakistan’s Chinese-made PL-15E missiles and J-10C fighters. “It’s the best spoofing and deception we’ve ever seen,” said Ryan Bodenheimer, a former US Air Force F-15E and F-16 pilot as reported by idrw.org
<<

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

Pakis must now be wondering ...

Was it Lakshya ?
Was it Banshee ?
Was it X-Guard ?

WTH did we waste PL15E on -- Did we shoot some CROW's ?? :rotfl:
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X-Guard : that should make the C&C boys think again!
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eklavya wrote: 08 Jul 2025 16:26 Government orders were clear: target terror infrastructure. That covers PA, PAF and PN.

‘India lost one Rafale fighter jet due to…’: Dassault CEO rejects Pakistan's claim during Operation Sindoor
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 75371.html
08 July 2025
The head of French company Dassault Aviation, which manufactures Rafale aircraft, called Pakistan's claim of shooting down three Rafale jets "inaccurate and unfounded". French website Avion Chasse cited Trappier admitting that "the loss of one aircraft" occurred without enemy contact. He said the loss was in connection with a technical failure at a high altitude.

Meanwhile, India's defence secretary RK Singh on Monday told CNBC TV18 that it was incorrect to say Rafale jets were shot down by the Pakistani Air Force. "You have used the term Rafales in the plural, I can assure you that is absolutely not correct. Pakistan suffered losses many times over India in both human and material terms, and more than 100 terrorists," he told the news outlet.

Earlier in June, India’s defence attache to Indonesia and Navy Captain Shiv Kumar had said …. orders were only to target terror infrastructure in Islamabad.
Dassault issued a press statement today and formally denied that its Chairman & CEO, Eric Trappier, made any operational or technical comments regarding the use of the Rafale aircraft in the recent skirmish.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/d ... 2025-07-08
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Pakistan's New Map Incoming, Middle east New Countries, India's Plan I Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan, Aadi
July 5, 2025

With BLA and TTP at odds with Pak Army chaps, this YT explores the new map of Pak. Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan (retd) prof in IIT-Madras/chennai, shows possible redrawing. He also talks about redrawing BD. The area bordering brahmaputra and ganga with siliguri on top plus chittagong area guarantees proper security for India. There are many other maps showing various other lines, baluchistan and kurdestan happen to be bandied about long time ago. Rajiv uses Somalia which broke apart as the model for Pak. Afghanistan will benefit by adding more land to their nation. Baluchistan may gain some territory from Iran.



// the US currently is trying to push China out of many places with Iran and Pak on the watch list. Deep State wants to control flow of goods and services (IMEC is in their interest!).
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Rakesh wrote: 08 Jul 2025 21:19 IDRW operates in two ways;

1) Plagiarizes others' articles and passes it off as its own

2) Makes up unbelievable stuff.

In the case of the PL-15E episode, it is the first one above.
The worst part is that, there is a Financial Express defense article that quotes IDRW!!

DDM plumbs new depths that even our Arihant cannot match
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Ajit Doval gives a speech at IIT-M on July 11, 2025.

Speaking at a high-level strategic event, National Security Advisor Ajith Doval lauded the precision, planning, and execution of India's recent counter-terror operation while slamming misinformation campaigns and false narratives propagated by adversaries. He made it clear that India’s sovereignty is non-negotiable and warned external players against underestimating the capabilities of the Indian intelligence and armed forces. India will act decisively, and no amount of international noise will deter its resolve.

Ajit Doval's Blazing Open Challenge To PAK & Foreign Media on Op Sindoor
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One of the blitzkrieg that China engaged in against India is the media blitz. These entities are bought out by China in Western nations, Europe, even India and more. A trash YT would be published by them downing a rafale with doctored images and video game background/images and this YT would garner a few thousand views, the next day 20 million and by the end of the day 53 million. Kya backwas, so many bots running around and clicking. Google has becom a laughing stock in propogating such junk videos and the metrics are being gamed by crooks in China and Pak.

Lt. Gen Dushyant Singh has more in : youtube.com/watch?v=ah__-BFwffs
He also deciphers Ajit Doval's message to the world.
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People here were wanting us to display all our Rafales, but never ask PAF to display all F16, SAAB 2000, JF 17, J10 , HQ9. HQ9B. Thier whole list of missing equipment and personal
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