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Vayutuvan wrote: 12 Jul 2025 03:27 . Pakistan never had any reforms and hence they have still have feudal lords - zamindars, zagirdars, maqtedars,
Sirji
Please check out the 1930’s Indian Provincial Elections
The Jihadis and Muslim League suffered
The Unionist Party wanted to maintain the Zamindari as they controlled much of Punjab
The jihadi enticed the party members with promises of Zamidari and if not agreeable then pure intimidation
Eventually after Sikandar Hayat death the party disintegrated and members co-opted into ML which continued with Zamidari
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A_Gupta wrote: 12 Jul 2025 11:06

Likewise, is it a defensible proposition that Modi has done more for financial inclusion (about a billion people)

This may be of interest and could point to some significant data in this regard

https://www.youtube.com/live/R4m_-WvnVm ... 4pcZyfwu7p
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SRajesh wrote: 12 Jul 2025 23:51 Please check out the 1930’s Indian Provincial Elections
The Jihadis and Muslim League suffered
The Unionist Party wanted to maintain the Zamindari as they controlled much of Punjab
The jihadi enticed the party members with promises of Zamidari and if not agreeable then pure intimidation
Eventually after Sikandar Hayat death the party disintegrated and members co-opted into ML which continued with Zamidari
That is interesting. I didn't know.
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This foxnews YT is claiming that in the month of June the treasury dept of US is reporting a $ 27 B surplus. I don't know how true this news is but to report surplus means that the US is reversing its huge borrowings which are increasing the deficit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_4ofthPq5s
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Here is the last year of receipts and outlays of the US Department of Treasury (millions of dollars)
from https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/reports ... rrent.html

Code: Select all

Period	Receipts	Outlays
Jun-24	466,255	537,220
Jul-24	330,377	574,119
Aug-24	306,540	686,620
Sep-24	526,990	462,304 - surplus 64,686
Oct-24	326,770	584,221
Nov-24	301,754	668,517
Dec-24	454,415	541,146
Jan-25	513,294	641,935
Feb-25	296,424	603,441
Mar-25	367,645	528,174
Apr-25	850,169	591,769 - surplus 258,400
May-25	371,229	686,881
Jun-25	526,445	499,435 - surplus 27,010
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This is POTUS!
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Trump is most likely on the epstein list. Russia has good "hard" evidence on Trump! :D
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bala wrote: 13 Jul 2025 21:12 This foxnews YT is claiming that in the month of June the treasury dept of US is reporting a $ 27 B surplus. I don't know how true this news is but to report surplus means that the US is reversing its huge borrowings which are increasing the deficit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_4ofthPq5s
Fox is pro Trump. Don't know which channel to believe in anymore !
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drnayar wrote: 13 Jul 2025 23:50 Trump is most likely on the epstein list. Russia has good "hard" evidence on Trump! :D
If that were to be the case, Biden admin would have released the list long ago (after redacting the names of their boys - Bill Clinton/Bill Gates/Tom Hanks/Ellen De Generis/and other hollowheads of Burbank. :twisted:
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drnayar wrote: 13 Jul 2025 23:52 Fox is pro Trump. Don't know which channel to believe in anymore !
Many folks believe the Steele dossier. :((
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1. There is an Epstein list - Trump's attorney general Pam Bondi said that it was sitting on her desk.

2. There is no Epstein list - Trump's FBI and DoJ announced so.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1407001/dl?inline

3. There is an Epstein list - but it is one created by Obama, Hilary Clinton, etc. etc. per Trump above.

Why the Democrats would create a Epstein list which names their own folks needs to be figured out.

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The issue for Trump is that he campaigned on the issue, and promised to release the Epstein list.

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What the FBI/DOJ said is that there is no 'incriminating 'client' list". As Philip Rotner points out:
The DOJ’s deliberately opaque phrasing about what was not in the Epstein files tells us absolutely nothing about what was. The three words that do all the work here—“incriminating,” “client,” and “list”—only raise more questions.

What, exactly is an “incriminating ‘client list’”? Why are the words “client list” in quotation marks? What does the absence of an “incriminating ‘client list’” tell us about what is revealed in the Epstein files? Does it mean that Epstein’s clients, enablers, and party bros are indeed identified in the files, but not in the format of a “list”? Does it mean that there’s a list, but it doesn’t expressly identify those on it as “clients”? Does it mean that there’s a list of clients, but the Trump DOJ doesn’t interpret it as “incriminating”? If Epstein hooked up some of his party bros with underage (or drugged or coerced) girls but didn’t get paid money for doing so, are the bros—whose conduct may have crossed the line into criminality—“clients”? If their names are in a black book, a flight log, or a guest registry, is that a “list”? Is it a “client list”? Is it an “incriminating client list”?

When you get right down to it, does “no incriminating ‘client list’” mean anything at all, other than that there’s no single document with the words “INCRIMINATING ‘CLIENT LIST’” emblazoned on the cover?
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In the meantime, Vivek Ramawami is relentlessly trolled by MAGA.
https://youtu.be/vyjopF6Gumg?si=hHaSPK3ILTnC6xOB
Vivek Ramaswamy is not new to social media trolling as he's asked to go to India every time he posts something on X. As the Ohio Governor hopeful posted a family picture celebrating the Fourth of July, it was a repetition of the same situation -- people asking him what he has to do with July the Fourth and that he should go back to India, celebrate either in Mumbai and Gujarat -- summing up a few reactions to his post. How could they act like that who do they think they are, Doge?

At a time when ELon Musk has declared his independence from Maga and had to defend Vivek from its more racist elements, which ELon would know something about, Vivek is still shuffling for middle America biscuits even as they tell him to his face they don't want him. Only a Black conservative could truly understand.
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From 1996 to 2015, Donald J. Trump co-owned the Miss Universe Organization, which also included the Miss U.S.A. and Miss Teen U.S.A. pageants. In some sense Epstein was in similar business though of sinister kind and with deep state connections. Epstein was an agent of Israel too. Both of them had access to young women. In the US, men and women mingling together is not a big deal, similar to changing underwear. So why make a big deal out of such behaviour.
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Because sleeping with under age girls or boys is a crime. In the pseudo puritan conservative and moralising America, such crimes pinned on someone is a powerful political weapon. No one really cares about the victims and that too is telling.
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A_Gupta wrote: 14 Jul 2025 04:30 Why the Democrats would create a Epstein list which names their own folks needs to be figured out.
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Confirmation bias.

Why not? That above linear think doesn't take into account the internal dissension in the DNC and jockeying for power. We have seen how they treated Ms. T Gabbard vis a vis (former) VP KD Harris. Anything is possible with both the parties. I am reminded of "Trump getting peed on" in the Russia Dossier or Rev. Jackson's comments on (former) President Obama or (former) President Biden being sidetracked by (former) Speaker N. Pelosi and (former) President Obama himself. I think BHO wants Michelle Obama to be the first woman black president, not KD.

Newsom is a man who as white as one can get. And nepo kid. Probably BHO wouldn't like him to be the POTUS.
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This Epstein character is a deep state operative. He procures young women/men whatever and he has them in disparate locations far away from US. Since the deep state has members starting from the Crown Council onwards, Britshit Royalty, wealthy dudes like Bill Gates and highly Politically exposed persons like Bill Clinton, their R&R is taken care of by membership to the club. Epstein is in charge of one of the R&R activity in islands/boats/yachts/etc owned by the Deep State where there are no laws enforced. The list that Epstein has is more on his business side of procuring assets for R&R and the other list is owned by the Deep State. Recently Gislaine M Epstein's girlfriend and co crime partner is telling everyone she has a list. So there are many versions of the so-called list being bandied about and the public are taken for a ride. The actual levers are controlled by the Deep State who work in mysterious ways.
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A_Gupta wrote: 14 Jul 2025 04:30 3. There is an Epstein list - but it is one created by Obama, Hilary Clinton, etc. etc. per Trump above.
If there is no list:

1. Why is Maxwell in jail?
2. Why did Prince Andrew settle with Giuffre for USD 12 million?
3. Giuffre's father is saying that her "suicide" should be investigated. He believes she was suicided.

One CT doing rounds is that Trump has 3.5 more years to keep this sword hanging on Dems' heads. He might pull out the damning evidence when Dems started coalescing around a leader. So he wants to lull Dems into a false sense of safety for now.
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bala wrote: 15 Jul 2025 01:03 This Epstein character is a deep state operative.
Supposedly Mossad. But we will never know. I am not sure whether people will believe any list at this point. The only person who can shed light is G Maxwell. I am sure she had been wrung dry by Biden admin as well as 6 months of Trump.

The interrogators AS would not have eld back on using third degree and Scopalamine.
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^ anyone with remote Jewish connections is deemed as a mossad agint . More reflective of anti semitism . We ll see raa agent allegations upon desis in the coming years from the west just like we see from porkis .

I have a colleague that is deeply racist white dude . His antisemitism became overt in the last few months with all the success Israel had . If he could get away with it he would probably hurt racists slurs against me as well . Once asked me why yindoos online support Israel so much .

Credit to our yehudi cousins for managing the Yankee political system well . They have to do all they could for survival.

I think Epstein was your standard issue rich political fixer that provided pedophilia services to big shots . Nothing more ,nothing less . Lot of his alleged client list was anti Israel . Such as john Kerry and Tony blair .

Further an ex Israeli pm was his client . But that dude is in an out of jail for corruption in Israel and reflects his individual scumbagness.

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I have no idea what is with the anti-semitism elite liberals like John Kerry, AOC, even KD Harris (she passed over Shapiro to pick China pasand Walz), and AAs. AAs seem to be quite anti-semitic. AAs tend to be social conservatives and very xtist or sometimes Islamists like Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali. Are there any prominent AA Hindus? I haven't seen one. Ma'am Oprah Winfrey is making some noises now a days. Many hollywood elite are quite anti-hindu as they believe that hindus are patriarchal misogynists, wife burners, and casteist.
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^^ even conservative qtiyas ,not just libtards. tucker carlson ,candace owen ,jackson hinkle , steve bannon etc

https://www.the-independent.com/news/wo ... 73218.html

basically the people who hate yindoos are generally the ones who hate yehuds with rare exceptions.

if you explore white supre-ass phorums like stormfront pre-9/11 they were fantasizing about finishing what hitler did..

the rise in hinduphobia post 10/7 has a lot to do with massive support Desi social warriors have given to Yisrael.

We (Hindu-Americans) really need to play it out smart and course correct. neither ends of the poltical spectrum are particularly fond of us. The Yehudas have understood this really well and used AIPAC effectively ,something that we failed.

As India grows in stature we should be weary bipartisan. Also expect anti-Hindu attacks to rise . we are sitting ducks given that most of use are unarmed and unfit . if we face violence in the west we won't be able to leetcode or spell or solve navier stokes equation of the semi-liquid poop that comes out of our mush when we see a gun . we will have to fight .
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Vayutuvan wrote: 15 Jul 2025 01:36
One CT doing rounds is that Trump has 3.5 more years to keep this sword hanging on Dems' heads. He might pull out the damning evidence when Dems started coalescing around a leader. So he wants to lull Dems into a false sense of safety for now.
House Democrats just tried to force a release of the Epstein list; House Republicans blocked it. But anything to avoid cognitive dissonance.

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In the meantime:

""As our hearts break for Texas, I can't help but notice the possibility that weather modification could have played a role in this tragedy" - Florida Attorney General.

Reminds one of this:
Haarp Technology and Floods in Pakistan | Inside Story by Syed Ali Haider, etc.
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Looks like the MAGA folks miscalculated badly and its quite funny how things are turning up. When then wanted to deport illegal hispanic immigrants, they thought they will be replaced by black Americans. And it seems that when they said illegal immigrants are taking black jobs, they meant farm jobs. But the black Americans have other ideas. They are not going to work on the farms because they are not that desperate. They seem to be relatively well off and prefer college education but not back breaking work for white farmers. If they had to work on the farm, it would be their own farms. Now that ICE has scared the hispanics who are pretty much the only ones willing to work on the farms, the white farmers are finding their produce rotting on the trees with nobody to pick them. The word being bandied about is FAFO (**** around and find out), meaning the MAGA crowd fcked around by electing Trump. The schadenfreude of the blacks must be seen to be believed.

The cut to medicaid is also supposed to bring Americans to farm jobs. Trump thinks that there are 30 million able bodied Americans not working because of medicaid and they will return to work if their medicaid is removed.

Lot of other interesting stuff. Black people lost 90% of their land due to discriminatory policies like not getting govt loans or subsidies. They have learnt not to depend on the govt. Their farms are not shutting down unlike white farms. White farmers blocked bail out money to black farmers while they received it.

American farmers of grains are facing other kinds of problems. For grains, soy beans, corn etc they don't need labour. Between wife, husband and kids they manage 1000s of acres with million dollar giant machines. But because of tarriff war, their traditional buyers like china and other countries are not importing them.

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Vayutuvan wrote: 15 Jul 2025 01:36
A_Gupta wrote: 14 Jul 2025 04:30 3. There is an Epstein list - but it is one created by Obama, Hilary Clinton, etc. etc. per Trump above.
If there is no list:

1. Why is Maxwell in jail?
2. Why did Prince Andrew settle with Giuffre for USD 12 million?
3. Giuffre's father is saying that her "suicide" should be investigated. He believes she was suicided.
Of course there is a list, with accompanying incriminating evidence. It it Trump that said it is a fake list.

With the FBI closing the case, "Prince Andrew can now reportedly end his self-imposed travel ban following his controversial ties to Jeffrey Epstein."
This per Fox News.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/art ... p_catchall

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Added - it appears that Ghislaine Maxwell is going to ask for retrial or pardon based on POTUS’ statement that the Epstein list is a Democratic hoax.
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A_Gupta wrote: 15 Jul 2025 17:59
Vayutuvan wrote: 15 Jul 2025 01:36

If there is no list:

1. Why is Maxwell in jail?
2. Why did Prince Andrew settle with Giuffre for USD 12 million?
3. Giuffre's father is saying that her "suicide" should be investigated. He believes she was suicided.
Of course there is a list, with accompanying incriminating evidence. It it Trump that said it is a fake list.

With the FBI closing the case, "Prince Andrew can now reportedly end his self-imposed travel ban following his controversial ties to Jeffrey Epstein."
This per Fox News.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/art ... p_catchall

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Added - it appears that Ghislaine Maxwell is going to ask for retrial or pardon based on POTUS’ statement that the Epstein list is a Democratic hoax.

Here are the Epstein Files, at least a partial list that came out.

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.usc ... mbined.pdf (verified court documents)

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-b ... dacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi)

—————————other Epstein Information

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:s ... b57d5e923f
here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump's involvement with a 13 yr old together.

here is a video of her testimony. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... &FORM=VIRE
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Jay wrote: 15 Jul 2025 22:43 https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:s ... b57d5e923f
here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump's involvement with a 13 yr old together.

here is a video of her testimony. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... &FORM=VIRE
You DNC boosters' goto website for truth says the following:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/03/ ... e-johnson/
  • Court documents accusing former U.S. President Donald Trump and the late billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein of raping a 13-year-old girl identified as Katie Johnson are often shared by Trump's detractors on social media.
  • Though the Johnson cases were dismissed or withdrawn, those claims laid the groundwork for, and lent perceived credibility to, other entirely unsourced rumors that the former president had settled myriad other lawsuits with underage assault victims, pointing to evidence of his alleged "pedophilic disorder."
  • The Johnson claims, however, originated due to the aggressive efforts of a publicist using the false name Al Taylor. In 2016, investigative reporters tied the Taylor persona to a former "Jerry Springer Show" producer, Norm Lubow. For this story, Lubow confirmed to Snopes he had acted as Taylor and played a role in filing and promoting the Johnson claims.
  • Lubow's involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama, and that is a fact both he, and lawyers working for the plaintiff, attempted to downplay or hide.
(By the way, whatever happened to this site? It seems to have fallen out of favor with DNC folks :rotfl: )
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A_Gupta wrote: 15 Jul 2025 17:59 Of course there is a list, with accompanying incriminating evidence. It it Trump that said it is a fake list. (1)
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Added - it appears that Ghislaine Maxwell is going to ask for retrial or pardon based on POTUS’ statement that the Epstein list is a Democratic hoax. (2)
1. That is the origin of the CT that Trump is holding it back to be used in 2026 and 2028. Trump can always say at that time that they found the "real list" subsequently after Trump's statement. What he is claiming what they have now is a fake list.

2. GM will get a retrial to set the stage for the "real list" to come out as coming from Maxwell herself. Trump or GOPers won't be there in that list. Only names would be those who went after Trump in 2016, during his 4 year first term, and those who were in Jan 6th committee (unless they become irrelevant by then).

3. DNC better pin their hopes on newer set of people. Newsom was in South Carolina just the last week. Just like Biden, he also needs to win the SC primaries which are one of the earliest states and AA heavy.
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A_Gupta wrote: 15 Jul 2025 17:55 House Democrats just tried to force a release of the Epstein list; House Republicans blocked it. But anything to avoid cognitive dissonance.
IIRC, democrats blocked it when they had the majority. Correct me if I am wrong. That said, both parties have internal dissensions, but Dems seem to be in a much worse position than the GOPers.

DNC future is looking like AOC, Mamdani, The Squad, Hoagg. That is an Islamaoist take over. GOP is gung ho for continuation of wars in Pukraine and arms exports to NATO countries and Shittistan.

(now I will go back to the oft used excuse to end a discussion here by DNC agents)

Parkalaam. Only time will tell. :wink:
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hanumadu wrote: 15 Jul 2025 17:58 American farmers of grains are facing other kinds of problems. For grains, soy beans, corn etc they don't need labour. Between wife, husband and kids they manage 1000s of acres with million dollar giant machines. But because of tarriff war, their traditional buyers like china and other countries are
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Farming jobs are far and few in between.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultu ... Farm_labor
Farmworkers in the United States have unique demographics, wages, working conditions, organizing, and environmental aspects. According to The National Institute for Occupational Safety & Health in Agricultural Safety, approximately 2,112,626 full-time workers were employed in production agriculture in the US in 2019 and approximately 1.4 to 2.1 million hired crop workers are employed annually on crop farms in the US.[33] A study by the USDA found the average age of a farmworker to be 33. In 2017, the Department of Labor and Statistics found the median wage to be $23,730 a year, or $11.42 per hour.

The types of farmworkers include field crop workers, nursery workers, greenhouse workers, supervisors, etc.[34] The United States Department of Labor findings for the years 2019-2020 report that 63 percent of crop workers were born in Mexico, 30 percent in the mainland United States or Puerto Rico, 5 percent in Central America, and 2 percent in other regions.[35] The amount of farm labor in the United States has changed substantially: in 1870, almost 50 percent of the U.S. population was employed in agriculture;[36] As of 2008, less than 2 percent of the population is directly employed in agriculture.[37][38]

Potential health and safety issues that may be associated with farm work include vehicle rollovers, falls, musculoskeletal injuries, hazardous equipment, grain bins, pesticides, unsanitary conditions, and respiratory disease. According to the United States Department Of Labor, farmworkers are at risk of work-related lung diseases, noise-induced hearing loss, skin diseases, and certain...
As for picking of vegetables/fruits/fresh produce, some tasks can be automated. If undocumented (I am being PC given the prevalence of dyed in the blue wool DNC operatives in this thread :twisted: ) workers are not available, this will get more automated. Also fresh produce becomes more expensive. People will turn to local produce during the season. Right now almost any vegetable/fruit/leafy vegetables/dairy/eggs are available year round. Local produce in season and canned/frozen produce during off season. As it is fresh produce is 2x or even 3x the price of what you can get ni the frozen/canned section.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 16 Jul 2025 01:05

You DNC boosters' goto website for truth says the following:
Maybe pedo boosters(obviously not you) need to answer the accusations rather than the source because they seem to be hiding behind their pedo messiah :rotfl: :rotfl:

As expected, the pedo supporting retardlicans in the congress vetoed the vote

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5402 ... ein-files/
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Jay wrote: 16 Jul 2025 01:32 Maybe pedo boosters(obviously not you) need to answer the accusations rather than the source because they seem to be hiding behind their pedo messiah :rotfl: :rotfl:
Already done in the "the Bottom Line" section of that Snopes story. That said, progressive Dems' views on p.philia are well known. You might want to check those. I am tired of searching the internet to enlighten you. :)
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Vayutuvan wrote: 16 Jul 2025 01:43 views on p.philia are well known. You might want to check those. I am tired of searching the internet to enlighten you. :)
Looks like that's you hobby...go nuts sirji.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/republicans-f ... d=84344687
Some Republicans use false 'pedophilia' claims to attack Democrats, LGBTQ people
Republicans are falling back on dangerous, false anti-LGBTQ tropes.

By Kiara Alfonseca
May 7, 2022, 9:25 AM
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Now in 2025, we have come back full circle.

Some Republicans Democrats use false 'pedophilia' claims to attack Democrats Republicans :mrgreen:
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A scholarly paper

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8888370/
Humanizing Pedophilia as Stigma Reduction: A Large-Scale Intervention Study
Craig A Harper 1,✉, Rebecca Lievesley 1, Nicholas J Blagden 1, Kerensa Hocken 2,3

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Abstract
The stigmatization of people with pedophilic sexual interests is a topic of growing academic and professional consideration, owing to its potential role in moderating pedophiles’ emotional well-being, and motivation and engagement in child abuse prevention schemes. Thus, improving attitudes and reducing stigmatization toward this group is of paramount importance. Prior research has suggested that narrative humanization—presenting personal stories of self-identified non-offending pedophiles—could be one route to doing this. However, this work has only been conducted with students or trainee psychotherapists, meaning the public generalizability of this method is still unknown. In this study, we compared two stigma interventions to test whether narratives reduce stigma toward people with pedophilic interests more effectively than an informative alternative (scientific information about pedophilia). Using a longitudinal experimental design with a lack of non-intervention control (initial N = 950; final N = 539), we found that narratives had consistently positive effects on all measured aspects of stigmatization (dangerousness, intentionality), whereas an informative alternative had mixed results, and actually increased perceptions of pedophiles’ levels of deviance. These effects were still present four months after the initial presentation. We discuss these data in relation to ongoing debates about treating pedophilia as a public health issue requiring a broad societal approach to well-being and child abuse prevention.

Keywords: Pedophilia, Social attitudes, Sexual abuse prevention, Narrative humanization, Public health

Introduction
Many researchers have begun to explore sexual interests in children via sexual abuse prevention and well-being perspectives (see Elchuk et al., 2021; Lievesley & Harper, 2021; Lievesley et al., 2020; Seto, 2018). However, there is an acknowledgement within the literature that the effective treatment of individuals with such sexual interests is contingent on the availability of suitable services, the willingness of professionals to work with this client group, and the client group feeling comfortable in seeking support that is made available (Grady et al., 2019; Jahnke, 2018a, 2018b; Levenson & Grady, 2019; Lievesley & Harper, 2021). As such, finding methods of effective stigma reduction is becoming an important topic of study in relation to this client group (Harper et al., 2018; Jahnke, 2018a, 2018b). In this paper, we ask whether previously observed effects of narrative humanization—the process by which stigma toward people with pedophilic sexual interests is reduced by presenting personal stories from the perspective of people within this community—are observable at scale within a large community sample, and whether they are persistent over time.

Defining Pedophilia
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https://www.hawley.senate.gov/democrats ... offenders/
Democrats Block Hawley Bill to Get Tough on Child Sex Offenders
Tuesday, April 05, 2022


U.S. Senator Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) went to the Senate Floor today to call for unanimous consent to pass his PROTECT Act of 2022, which protects children from sexual exploitation by enhancing the penalties for possessing child ***** and preventing judges from sentencing offenders below federal guidelines. Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) objected and blocked the bill from passing.
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Warning of confirmation bias: This is from Sen. Hawley's website.
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https://calmatters.org/commentary/2025/ ... democrats/
Clash over teen sex solicitation reveals the rift within the California Democratic Party

by Dan Walters
May 6, 2025

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A reliable political axiom — at least in California — is that when one party achieves dominance in some arena, it fragments into factions defined by ideology, gender, economics, ethnicity, geography or even personality. The axiom has been demonstrated at the local level for decades, such as the perpetual infighting among San Francisco’s dominant Democrats, or the ceaseless squabbling among Republicans when they controlled Orange County.

Democrats achieved absolute dominance in state politics over the last quarter-century, holding all statewide offices and capturing supermajorities in the Legislature and within the state’s congressional delegation.

One might think that such hegemony would manifest itself in sweeping responses to California’s most pressing issues, such as homelessness, poverty, water supply, wildfires and housing shortages — particularly after Gavin Newsom became governor on promises to seek “big, hairy audacious goals.”

It was not to be. The issues that were plaguing California when Newsom took office in 2019 are as formidable as ever, reflecting not only their complexity but the tendency of the dominant party to become a collection of often hostile quasi-parties.
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Two years ago, state Sen. Shannon Grove, a Republican from Bakersfield, carried legislation that would have added human trafficking of a minor to the state’s list of serious felonies, thereby qualifying an offender for tougher penalties. Democrats stalled the bill, which was opposed by criminal justice reform groups. But when reporters asked Newsom about it, he intervened, essentially compelling the Legislature to pass it.

Last year, Grove took up the issue again with legislation that would increase penalties for anyone who solicited sex from a minor, but Democrats insisted that they wouldn’t apply if the minor was 16 or 17 years old. Gay rights advocates demanded what was termed a “carveout,” contending that including older teens could backfire if the law was used to punish consenting relationships.
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The image that emerges from this dustup is that of a Democratic Party at war within itself, with Rivas trying to be an “ayatollah,” as former Speaker Willie Brown once described himself, and Newsom distancing himself from his party’s leftish tendencies as a prelude to running for president in 2028.
It is all about politics, power and pelf. Children be damned, illegal worker rights be damned, ...
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@Vayutuvanji, continuing from the other thread…

While the US Supreme Court may be largely unaffected by the shenanigans in the other two pillars of power, it may only be a matter of time. Obama was more autocratic than his predecessors and Biden… well who knows who was taking the decisions there. Trump is just an extreme and outwardly crass version (referring to him selling various stuff and cheap trinkets) of the creeping centralisation of power. He has gotten away with pushing the envelope, the next president will continue this, minus the crass aspect and sell it to the populace as normalcy has returned.

I am not quite clear as to when the Congress has a role to play in curbing the extreme behaviour of the President, take the example of the tariff business - the guidelines ( and US constitution seems to be deliberately unclear) seem to be suggestions at best. For some reason none of the Dems seem to be particularly eager to force the issue despite their gnashing of teeth, perhaps they are waiting for mid terms.
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United States President Donald Trump interacted with press at White House lawn. He talks about various things including a trade deal with Indonesia and briefly mentions India. With Indonesia, the US will get full access to Indonesia including its copper and other minerals. Indonesia pays 19% tariff to US and US pays 0%. With India, the US is looking for full access and I don't know whether that includes farming/dairy/gmo seeds etc, no deal as such. India has to wait and see what the trade chaps in the US spring upon India. The other thing is the Russian oil trade with India, which the US Senate dudes are itching to tax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIV4QsNMX6c
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Tanaji wrote: 16 Jul 2025 03:38 For some reason none of the Dems seem to be particularly eager to force the issue despite their gnashing of teeth, perhaps they are waiting for mid terms.
Democrats are not for free trade. They need union votes. KD did not get the votes of the rank of file union workers even though the union bosses were willing to endorse her. You may remember that Unions did not endorse her in the end. Mamdani got the endorsement of the teachers union of NYC which is the largest school system in the country. Mamdani probably is going to be the next mayor of NYC unless one of the Cuomo Adams duo drops out. Adams says he is the incumbent and wants Cuomo to drop out. Which sort of makes sense, especially given the sexual harassment scandals and Covid Nursing home scandal due to which Cuomo stepped down.

Dems are anti-capitalist even though they make their money from their Wall Street investments. Mamdani has USD 3 million house/apartment in one of the upscale neighbourhoods of NYC. He also attended a prep school.

Karen Bass, the mayor of LA is planning to dish out cash to the undocumented workers who are not coming out of their houses fearing they might get snacthed from the streets by ICE and deported. She says it could USD 200 PM but she really doesn't know how much. That seems like a blank check to me.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 16 Jul 2025 01:31
The amount of farm labor in the United States has changed substantially: in 1870, almost 50 percent of the U.S. population was employed in agriculture;[36] As of 2008, less than 2 percent of the population is directly employed in agriculture.[37][38]
As for picking of vegetables/fruits/fresh produce, some tasks can be automated. If undocumented (I am being PC given the prevalence of dyed in the blue wool DNC operatives in this thread :twisted: ) workers are not available, this will get more automated. Also fresh produce becomes more expensive. People will turn to local produce during the season. Right now almost any vegetable/fruit/leafy vegetables/dairy/eggs are available year round. Local produce in season and canned/frozen produce during off season. As it is fresh produce is 2x or even 3x the price of what you can get ni the frozen/canned section.
That only a small percentage of American people are engaged in agriculture is irrelevant to the current labor problems faced by farmers. If all harvesting 'WILL' be automated, its in the future. Trump being the fool he is couldn't wait till the said automation. Though it seems unlikely that it will be easy to automate several tasks or it will happen any time soon.
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