Understanding the US - Again

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2025 17:16

Another American thing raises its head. Though it is Pakistan below, it will come for India eventually.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1924568/us-la ... -sanctions

The US Congress may soon urge President Donald Trump’s administration to consider imposing sanctions on countries that suppress religious freedom and violate human rights, Republican Congressman Christopher H. Smith suggested during a congressional hearing on Pakistan on Tuesday.

“One of the biggest disappointments — regardless of who is in the White House or at the State Department — is the absence of sanctions,” said Smith, who co-chairs the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission (TLHRC).

Smith recalled that the only individual ever sanctioned under US religious freedom laws was Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, following the 2002 Gujarat riots. “We are going to call on the Irfa office to consider imposing [sanctions] — especially in light of the terrible acts committed against people of various faiths,” he said.

The Irfa office, based at the State Department, enforces the International Religious Freedom Act, which authorises the US government to designate and penalise countries that engage in or tolerate severe religious persecution.

“That’s it. We’ve got 18 sanctions here, and we are going to impose them on you,” Smith declared during the hearing on Pakistan’s current political and human rights situation.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 16 Jul 2025 20:09

The problem with US "sanctions" on a non-real country like Pakistan is: the sliver of landowner/military/crony-capitalist "elites" who actually impact policy have ample 2-numberi methods to get around them on a small-favours basis, while the vast majority are and will forever remain too poor to matter whether sanctions are applied or not. In contrast, sanctions on a country like India (with serious policy programs to achieve class-mobility aspirations on a mass scale) will make economic goals harder and slower (though certainly not impossible) to realise.

I think the US knows what sanctions are really for— the undermining of what it sees as potential challengers— and deploys them for this actual purpose, whatever high-minded nonsense it may cite as a pretext.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jul 2025 22:18

True that.
Sanctions authority are GOTUS tools to use carrot and stick on foreign countries usually at the wrong ends.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2025 22:59

Apart from the American use of sanctions as above, I see re-opening of a platform for the 0.5 front to grandstand about “the persecution of minorities”, and “casteism” and “patriarchy” and so on on an American-provided platform, further polarizing the politics in India. The ancient malady of inviting outsiders to meddle in internal affairs of India will get a revival.

If the country remains united in telling the US Congress it is none of their business I would have few concerns.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Jul 2025 02:18

Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lanto ... Commission

They have details of only 117th and 116th congresses. 117th is from 2021-2023

(Wikipedia data re-formatted for BRF)
Jim McGovern (D-MA) 2008-2021 - D co-chair
GOP co-chair changed every two years after from 2013.

Executive Committee Members, 117th Congress

Democrats
Alan Lowenthal, California - Jewish
Ilhan Omar, Minnesota - Muslim
Jamie Raskin, Maryland - Jewish
Norma Torres, California - Hispanic Caucus, born in Guatemala moved to the US when she was five years old with her uncle. Mom stayed back and died after one year Ms. Torres moving to the US.
After being reelected to the House in November 2022, Torres accused President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador of interfering in her race. Bukele had urged voters to oppose Torres.[9]
Bukele is Mohammedan. His dad was an early convert to Islam in El Salvador who also became Imam and was instrumental in constructing at least two mosques and became the first Mohammedan president of El Salvador.

Republicans
N/A (that is what Wikipedia says. No idea N/A is not available or not applicable

Where does USCIRF fit in to this landscape? My presumption would be that Tom Lantos HRC takes inputs from USCIRF.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jul 2025 02:29

Enabling legislation for the TomLantos HRC (2008)
https://www.congress.gov/110/bills/hres ... 1451eh.pdf

Co-chair and four members are appointed each by the Speaker and Minority Leader. Any member of the House can be a member of this commission, they just have to ask the co-chairs.

Current Tom Lantos HRC:
https://humanrightscommission.house.gov/

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Jul 2025 04:11

Current Exec committee

Ilhan Omar (D) MN-05 (Mohammedan)
Jamie Raskin (D) MD-08 (Jewish)
Norma Torres (D) CA-35 (Xtist sect Catholic?)
Derek Tran (D) CA-45 (Buddhist)

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Jul 2025 04:22

https://humanrightscommission.house.gov ... &tid_4=All
runs a project called Defending Freedoms Project

https://humanrightscommission.house.gov/dfp

which can be searched by country. In India's case, they list three people.

Gokarakonda Naga Saibaba: His house was raided in May 2014

Soni Sori and Lingaram Kopodi: Both were imprisoned by on charges of attack on Congress leaders in CG Soni Sori is released (sometime after 2013). Lingaram Kodopi is released. Fifteen others were also imprisoned and probably released now as all of them were charged in the same case.

GN Saibaba is an OGUN.

Only Asian countries are in the list. BD is not in the list. In Central America, Guatemala and Nicaragua, and Russia from Europe (Asia).

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Jul 2025 04:32

The site lists further references

For Further Reference
Full U.S. Department of State Human Rights Country Report
U.S. Department of State International Religious Freedom Country Report
U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom Annual Report Chapter
U.S. Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report Country Narrative
Report of the Working Group on the Universal Periodic Review
Human Rights Watch World Report Country Chapter
Amnesty International Annual Report Country Chapter
Freedom House Freedom in the World Country Report

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 17 Jul 2025 07:20

GENIUS Act of 2025
Permitted payment stablecoin issuers shall maintain -- coins and currency, government debt etc. etc.

Post Bretton Woods, currency weaned itself off gold, now a stablecoin, digital numbers, are weaning itself off paper currency.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jul 2025 09:42

The Republican co-chairman of the Tom Lantos HRC, Christopher Smith, has a great passion and that is to end human trafficking. I am not sure that he is known for anything else.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 17 Jul 2025 13:01

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jul 2025 17:34

"The Internal Revenue Service is building a computer program that would give deportation officers unprecedented access to confidential tax data. - various sources.

"Taxpayer data is among the most confidential in the federal government and is protected by strict privacy laws, which have historically limited its transfer to law enforcement and other government agencies. Unauthorized disclosure of taxpayer return information is a felony that can carry a penalty of up to five years in prison."

"In the past, when law enforcement sought IRS data to support its investigations, agencies would give the IRS the full legal name of the target, an address on file and an explanation of why the information was relevant to a criminal inquiry. Such requests rarely involved more than a dozen people at a time, former IRS officials said."

"In one meeting in late March between senior IRS and DHS officials, a top ICE official made a suggestion: Why doesn’t Homeland Security simply provide the name and state of its targets and have the IRS return the addresses of everyone who matches that criteria?

The IRS lawyers were stunned. They feared they could face criminal liability if they handed over the addresses of individuals who were not under a criminal investigation. The conversation and news of deeper collaboration with ICE so disturbed career staff that it led to a series of departures in late March and early April across the IRS’ legal, IT and privacy offices.

They were “pushing the boundaries of the law,” one official said. “Everyone at IRS felt the same way.”

bala · Post by **bala** » 19 Jul 2025 03:39

I don't know how many recall the hoax of Russia and DJT V1.0. Now US DNI Tulsi Gabbard has charged Obama Administration of treasonous conspiracy in the hoax they manufactured, this after declassifying the docs at national intelligence of the US. Prior to 2016 election of DJT this hoax was created. There was no foreign manipulation of the election. The conspiracy was politicized heavily by the DNC. There was a year long Mueller (former FBI chief) probe too in the US.

Please watch this YT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHcUFwW7e7A

// I hope it culminates in prosecution and people going to jail in the US.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Jul 2025 23:35

On the US Vietnam”trade deal”:

Trump announced the framework agreement on Truth Social on July 2, just days before the White House’s self-imposed July 8 deadline for trade negotiations. The deal was just the second the administration has reached to avoid its threatened “reciprocal” tariffs, after Trump suggested in an April interview that he’d made 200 deals. According to Trump’s July 2 post, exports from Vietnam will face a 20 percent tariff — down from the 46 percent that was paused in April — or a 40 percent tariff if they originated in a different country. In exchange, Vietnam “will ‘OPEN THEIR MARKET TO THE UNITED STATES,’ meaning that, we will be able to sell our product into Vietnam at ZERO Tariff,” the president wrote.

That sent shock waves through Vietnam because their negotiators had not, in fact, agreed to the 20 percent rate; they believed the tariff rate would be around 11 percent, according to the four people. Trump disregarded that figure in his phone call with Vietnamese General Secretary Lâm — who had not been part of the initial tariff negotiations — and instead declared the U.S. would impose a tariff nearly twice as high.
…
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Neither the White House nor Vietnam, however, have released any paperwork indicating a final agreement that includes those tariff rates, and neither country has formally signed off on a deal. It’s unclear when, or if, the higher rate will go into effect.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/1 ... l-00447715

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 20 Jul 2025 02:13

Just now watched Journal Editorial Report. The consensus on that program among panelists and expert opinion too was that SCOTUS would put a stop on Trump using 1977 law to impose tariffs. By Aug 1st, Trump is going to declare some kind of deal with allies - probably 10% - declare that he has won and move on.

One point Trump made long back on tariffs was this:

"If they don't like tariffs, why are they not reducing tariffs to 0%? Then we will also reciprocate with impose 0%".

That sort of does make sense. Chinese are dumping and drove American manufacturers out of business. Chinese did the same and worse to India. Worse because they dumped lower quality stuff - lower quality than what they dumped in the US - to India.

China needs to be reigned in. I am coming to the conclusion that it may be too little too late.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 20 Jul 2025 22:21

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025 02:13
That sort of does make sense. Chinese are dumping and drove American manufacturers out of business. Chinese did the same and worse to India. Worse because they dumped lower quality stuff - lower quality than what they dumped in the US - to India.

China needs to be reigned in. I am coming to the conclusion that it may be too little too late.

The only way China can be reigned in, is if the US works with other countries also facing a large trade deficit with China, due to its unfair trade practices. Trump is doing the opposite. If hypothetically, China and India are hit with a 100% tariff for importing Russian oil, we will end up on the
same side as China, working to rein in the US.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 20 Jul 2025 22:59

Deans wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025 22:21
Vayutuvan wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025 02:13
That sort of does make sense. Chinese are dumping and drove American manufacturers out of business. Chinese did the same and worse to India. Worse because they dumped lower quality stuff - lower quality than what they dumped in the US - to India.

China needs to be reigned in. I am coming to the conclusion that it may be too little too late.
The only way China can be reigned in, is if the US works with other countries also facing a large trade deficit with China, due to its unfair trade practices. Trump is doing the opposite. If hypothetically, China and India are hit with a 100% tariff for importing Russian oil, we will end up on the
same side as China, working to rein in the US.

UNfortunately India is in a little bit of pickle. It is doubtful that China would deal with India in good faith. Russia needs China more than they need India. For the time being, India's bread is buttered on the US side when it comes to some weapons platforms. Also IT service exports.

India has to bide its time. Trump is there only for the next 3.5 years and he is running into heavy opposition to implement his more cockamamey policies.

The US spends only 3% on defense as opposed to their asking NATO spend 5%. It is on the way down and WSJ editorial board opined that it will go down to 2.65%. What is going for DJT is the stock market. It is doing well, at least for now. There are indications that inflation is on the uptick. His wings will be clipped RSN. Hopefully.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 21 Jul 2025 01:36

For the all the worshippers --- Pesh hai:

Indians are being treated very unfairly. MAKE INDIANS GREAT AGAIN (MIGA)!

( couldn't have made this up)

(Trump says he may block the deal to move the Commanders back to DC unless they re-adopt a racist team name)

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 21 Jul 2025 02:07

I'll take MIGA even if said in jest. But sadly this is fake news.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Jul 2025 02:08

vera_k wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 02:07 I'll take MIGA even if said in jest. But sadly this is fake news.

So it was indeed "made up".

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 21 Jul 2025 03:19

vera_k wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 02:07 I'll take MIGA even if said in jest. But sadly this is fake news.

Cult will be a cult but the image shown is legitimate — it’s part of a real series of posts on Truth Social from July 20, 2025, where Trump urged the Washington NFL team (Commanders) to revert to their former “Redskins” name and similarly demanded that the Cleveland Guardians go back to being the “Cleveland Indians,” coining the slogan “MAKE INDIANS GREAT AGAIN (MIGA)”
(Actually multiple such tweets ..

Here’s the context:

Trump threatened to block the Commanders’ new stadium deal in D.C. unless they changed their name back to "Redskins," and said the Guardians should also revert back, blaming political consequences on their name change.
He wrote: “Indians are being treated very unfairly. MAKE INDIANS GREAT AGAIN (MIGA)!”, exactly as shown in that image.
Multiple mainstream outlets — Politico, The Guardian, even The Times of India — covered the tweet and the MIGA slogan.

Donald Trump sparks outrage by demanding Washington Commanders name reversal request- Times of India

This is not a fake or deepfake. It’s an authentic screenshot of Trump’s Truth Social post from July 20, 2025, promoting “MAKE INDIANS GREAT AGAIN” in support of reverting Cleveland’s name — treated by media as part of an ongoing push.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 21 Jul 2025 05:09

In the 'Understanding the US' thread, Trump’s fan club shows up loud, proud, and deeply divorced from reality — it’s less political support, more cult cosplay at this point /sigh/

Meanwhile. Wow BREAKING (again and again): Trump personally stopped a nuclear war between India and Pakistan!
Apparently 5 jets were shot down, world on the brink, and SuperTrump threatened trade deals and saved the planet.

Now his fanboys are chanting it like scripture.

Rahul Gandhi’s like: “Modi ji, 5 जहाज़ों का क्या हुआ?”
India:
“Uh… that never happened.”

(Trump did make the claim about jets shot down and negotiating a ceasefire through U.S. intervention- Multiple times... Rahul Gandhi correctly quoted him and called on Narendra Modi to confirm the facts. ../sigh/ ... (And seeing some posts here, it looks like Rahul Gandhi is not the only clue-less person /sigh/

Links: Trump says he thinks 5 jets were shot down in India-Pakistan hostilities

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 21 Jul 2025 05:50

Amber G. wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 03:19 This is not a fake or deepfake. It’s an authentic screenshot of Trump’s Truth Social post from July 20, 2025, promoting “MAKE INDIANS GREAT AGAIN” in support of reverting Cleveland’s name — treated by media as part of an ongoing push.

Granting you the benefit of the doubt. There was a tweet about team names.

The part that is fake news is this bit

Indians are being treated very unfairly. Make Indians Great Again (MIGA)

Someone looks to have added it on to the screenshot.

Added later -

This says that it was indeed tweeted that way. Don't see it in the tweet now though. So maybe it was edited.

Trump Washingon Commanders

But more serious question - Do Americans think of East Indians or Native Americans when hearing the term Indian these days? I have my own blinkered view on this, but does look like Indian equals Native American still.

bala · Post by **bala** » 21 Jul 2025 07:59

US is adopting a different strategy to tackle Russia. Herein the idea is to wean away Europe from Russian gas supplies which are crucial for Europe. You remember sometime back Biden bombed the pipeline from Russia to Germany in the seas. DJT has warned Europe to buy US LNG otherwise face tariffs. As Europe turns away from Russian gas and embraces record-breaking LNG imports from the U.S., a new war is being waged — not with tanks or troops, but with trade deals and energy corridors. Donald Trump is orchestrating a quiet economic blow to Putin’s power. Russia's share of EU pipeline gas imports decreased from 40% in 2021 to 19% in 2024. US now supplies 45% of LNG.

PGurus YT explains more. This is a strategic victory without going to war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqVTFuC4bPg

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Jul 2025 09:50

Eric and Eliot welcome Rebecca Friedman Lissner and Mira Rapp-Hooper to Shield of the Republic to discuss their recent article in the July/August issue of Foreign Affairs, "Absent at the Creation?: American Strategy and the Delusion of a Post-Trump Restoration." They discuss the speed with which Trump has imposed policy changes, the likelihood that old international order will be irreparably broken by the end of this term, the limits of American resilience, and the emergence of a multipolar world order. They also discuss challenges to American pre-eminence of emerging technologies and "compounding geopolitical risks" that Trump's cuts to research, assault on universities, and limits on tech transfer to China will do to U.S. innovation and international competitiveness. Note: After this episode was recorded the Trump administration announced approval of AI semiconductor chip sales to China.

Rebecca Lissner & Mira Rapp-Hooper's latest in Foreign Affairs:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-s ... ca-lissner

Disregard the YouTube headline. This is a serious discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVHAdUw3mR0

A key statement is that Trump is an accelerant, not the cause, of structural changes that have been happening for many years. This is a discussion of the US place in the world post-2029 and for the subsequent decade. Another is that a US attempt to return to the status of ante-Trump would be a mistake.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 21 Jul 2025 10:34

vera_k wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 05:50
Amber G. wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 03:19 This is not a fake or deepfake. It’s an authentic screenshot of Trump’s Truth Social post from July 20, 2025, promoting “MAKE INDIANS GREAT AGAIN” in support of reverting Cleveland’s name — treated by media as part of an ongoing push.
Granting you the benefit of the doubt. There was a tweet about team names.

The part that is fake news is this bit
Indians are being treated very unfairly. Make Indians Great Again (MIGA)
Someone looks to have added it on to the screenshot.

Added later -

This says that it was indeed tweeted that way. Don't see it in the tweet now though. So maybe it was edited.

Trump Washingon Commanders

.

Ah, the classic move:

“Granting you the benefit of the doubt…

”

Then linking a source that literally proves me right — word for word:

“

Indians are being treated very unfairly. MAKE INDIANS GREAT AGAIN (MIGA)!

”

Yes, your source. The same one you said debunks it.

At this point, it’s not about facts — it’s just the desperate gymnastics of someone who can’t say:
“Oops. I was wrong.”

But sure, keep fighting your own link. That’s a bold strategy.

Also — it’s amusing (and pathetic, though not surprising) to see the usual suspects jump in with “it’s fake!” right off your post. Trolls gotta troll.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 21 Jul 2025 11:36

I have low trust on the press and even lower on social media.

Doesn't change the fact that Indians == Native Americans or in this case Cleveland Indians.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Jul 2025 18:03

From the above mentioned Foreign Affairs article:

To begin, the United States needs what accountants refer to as a “zero based” review of its foreign policy: a clean slate from which to reevaluate and justify its long-held interests, values, and policies. Four years from now, many of the familiar pillars of U.S. grand strategy—from alliances to multilateral organizations to global treaties—will likely be transformed beyond recognition. What’s more, the world these tools were intended to help manage will have changed profoundly. No new president, whether a Democrat, a more traditional Republican, or a Trump disciple, will have the option of returning to the familiar approaches of the post–Cold War era. Starting from a zero base will guard against the tendency to default to old structures and concepts that might no longer reflect the United States’ vital interests and geopolitical context or the needs and preferences of the American people.

{Trump's} unorthodox policy views had a magnifying effect on major global trends that had been well underway before Trump was elected, including the global diffusion of power, rapid and disruptive technological change, and political polarization and policy volatility.

No responsible analyst can claim to predict what will happen over the course of the first year of the new Trump administration—let alone all four. But the haphazard rollout of unprecedented global tariffs in April and the White House’s goal of reshaping the postwar order indicate that upheaval is not just incidental but a central policy objective. Secretary of State Marco Rubio was explicit on this point in his confirmation hearing: “The post-war global order is not just obsolete,” he told Congress, “it is now a weapon being used against us.”
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And regardless of what tariff levels land, including as court proceedings play out in the United States, the shock of being economically kneecapped by a close ally has made many Indo-Pacific states rethink their reliance on the United States as a guardian of an open international economic order.....ndeed, Trump’s hard protectionist turn strikes at the heart of the U.S. alliance system, which has historically paired strategic alignment and security guarantees with privileged access to American markets, resulting in impressive development curves for many American allies.

Since the global financial crisis and the failed wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, it has been clear that the United States is overstretched. But the temptation to tweak the United States’ role in the world rather than overhaul it has carried the day in the last two Democratic administrations.

American grand strategists, for instance, have long defined U.S. interests in terms of preventing a hostile power from dominating Eurasia. But this construct implicitly favors military calculations and neglects the power and influence that come from dominating technological ecosystems, such as AI, clean tech, and quantum computing—the advantages of which may prove more consequential than securing particular geographies over the coming decades

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Jul 2025 19:40

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Jul 2025 23:14

vera_k wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025 11:36 I have low trust on the press and even lower on social media.
Doesn't change the fact that Indians == Native Americans or in this case Cleveland Indians.

The US still has this govt org.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Indian_Affairs

The Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA), also known as Indian Affairs (IA),[2] is a United States federal agency within the Department of the Interior. It is responsible for implementing federal laws and policies related to Native Americans and Alaska Natives, and administering and managing over 55,700,000 acres (225,000 km2) of reservations held in trust by the U.S. federal government for indigenous tribes. It renders services to roughly 2 million indigenous Americans across 574 federally recognized tribes.[2][3] The BIA is governed by a director and overseen by the assistant secretary for Indian affairs, who answers to the secretary of the interior.

bala · Post by **bala** » 22 Jul 2025 00:04

bala wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025 03:39 Tulsi Gabbard has charged Obama Administration of treasonous conspiracy in the Russia hoax with DJT V1.0 were manufactured.

See see this YT where Tulsi Gabbard says that there are 100 documents indicting the Obama Admin on this Russia conspiracy. The charges of DNI has now reached the DOJ. It is upto the DoJ (Pam Bondi) to file charges against the provided evidence. Weeks before the election, Obama Admin conjured up the Russia hoax and framed DJT as part and parcel of the muck. This is subversion of an entire nation.

Former FBI chief Comey, former CIA chief Brennan, former DNI Clapper may be hauled up in Congressional hearings on this topic. Tis gonna be popcorn time for many in US and the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6woLuFhX8

// people in DNC will rue the day they ticked of Tulsi Gabbard and made her defect. Now she has really burned them for good.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Jul 2025 01:00

@bala ji,

Nothing is going to happen. Have we seen any career civil servant go to jail ever? The statutes of limitation have expired on almost all crimes (if any). Only if any perjuries were committed during Inspector General Durham's investigation are within the statues of limitations time period.

Obama is a spent force for DNC. Nobody is listening to him now that he messed up in the Biden/KD 2024 bid. His hectoring young black men not only did not work, but also drove them into GOPs arms.

Biden is finished anyways. So what DNC has Newsom/AOC/Mamdani/Hoagg/Mayor Pete/Gov Walz (?). Nobody is going to give a damn to the Obama era intelligence community, FBI, DOJ officials now.

That is what counts - political irrelevance - rather then they getting prosecuted and sent to jail.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 22 Jul 2025 01:09

What are the odds that the likes of AOC and Omar get prominent roles in DNC, even more than what they have now?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Jul 2025 01:58

Tanaji wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 01:09 What are the odds that the likes of AOC and Omar get prominent roles in DNC, even more than what they have now?

AFAIK, AOC and Omar are on different trajectories.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Jul 2025 03:11

Tanaji wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 01:09 What are the odds that the likes of AOC and Omar get prominent roles in DNC, even more than what they have now?

Omar was born in Somalia. Also she is 42 years old and from a congressional district in MN which has low visibility. AOC was born in NYC, 35 years of age, and from congresswoman from NYC. I think she is planning on becoming a senator. AOC might one day be seeking DNC presidential nomination. If stars align right, she might be a VP candidate. Omar is limited to being a nuisance just like Crockett or MGT. AOC is might pick up the mantle from The Bern with the support of Pseudohontas.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Jul 2025 03:17

AOC awards and honors list is quite impressive. She also comes from middle class background vis-v-vis Mamdani for example. Mamdani went to a prep school and then to Bowdoin College which is a liberal arts private college. (tangential point: Mamdani was born in Uganda so he can never be [V]POTUS.

The MIT Lincoln Laboratory named the asteroid 23238 Ocasio-Cortez after her when she was a senior in high school in recognition of her second-place finish in the 2007 Intel International Science and Engineering Fair.[25][26] Ocasio-Cortez was named the 2017 National Hispanic Institute Person of the Year by Ernesto Nieto.[27] In 2019, Ocasio-Cortez received the Adelle Foley Award.[421] She was named as one of the 2019 BBC 100 Women.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 22 Jul 2025 05:28

Not so middle class. AOC grew up in Westchester, an expensive suburb north of NYC. Despite her flagrant economic privilege, she affected a thick Puerto Rican accent & flaunted her Hispanic background for DEI advantages at every turn with a skill & shamelessness that would embarrass even Tejashwi Yadav.

Went to Boston University (even DEI will only get a mediocre mind so far) but set herself up with USAID/NED funded projects that send students overseas to preach 3rd-wave feminism & LGBTQ gospel from the white-walled luxury enclaves of 3rd-world capitals... West Africa in her case, IIRC.

This is where AOC's skill for vapid & photogenic virtue-signaling caught the eye of DNC recruiters, kickstarting her political career. Besides Instagram posturing, she has a real knack for identifying the right coat-tails to provide upward mobility in that sick system, and unfailingly attaches herself to the wearer like a leech. She has hopped from Neera Tanden to Hillary Clinton to Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren as the winds changed, all to her benefit.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Jul 2025 06:22

Rudradev wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025 05:28 Not so middle class. AOC grew up in Westchester, an expensive suburb north of NYC. Despite her flagrant economic privilege, she affected a thick Puerto Rican accent & flaunted her Hispanic heritage for DEI advantage at every turn with a skill & shamelessness that would embarrass even Tejashwi Yadav.

Went to Boston University (even DEI will only get a mediocre mind so far) but set herself up with USAID/NED funded projects that send students overseas to preach 3rd-wave feminism & LGBTQ gospel from the white-walled luxury enclaves of 3rd-world capitals... West Africa in her case, IIRC.

This is where AOC's skill for vapid & photogenic virtue-signaling caught the eye of DNC recruiters, kickstarting her political career. Besides Instagram posturing, she has a real knack for identifying the right coat-tails to provide upward mobility in that sick system, and unfailingly attaches herself to the wearer like a leech. She has hopped from Neera Tanden to Hillary Clinton to Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren as the winds changed, all to her benefit.

I may not be a fan of her politics, but spreading mis-truths and inaccurate claims isn’t helpful. Just to clarify a few facts about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:

She grew up in a working- to middle-class family in Westchester County, which has a wide range of neighborhoods—not all expensive or privileged. Her family background is far from elite.

She attended Boston University (Boston University’s College of Arts and Sciences) and earned a degree in Economics and International Relations—a solid academic record.

There’s no evidence she was involved in any USAID or NED overseas projects. Before politics, she worked locally as a bartender and community organizer.

Her Puerto Rican heritage and Bronx accent are genuine parts of her identity, not something “affected” for political advantage.

She rose to prominence largely due to grassroots organizing and defeating a longtime incumbent in a tough primary.

And yes, she even has an asteroid named after her—23238 Ocasio-Cortez—discovered by MIT’s Lincoln Laboratory’s LINEAR program. This honor was given because she placed second in the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair (ISEF) for her research on antioxidants in roundworms. It’s a real, merit-based recognition tied to her scientific achievement in high school, definitely not a DEI or political appointment.

I get that we can disagree politically, but it’s important to stick to the facts. Misinformation doesn’t help anyone.