India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Manish_P]

As India rises, the hate will come out more and more into the open....

It will and indeed we can see it happening

...It is our responsibility to educate them as well do what Jewish folks do....

Very tough ask. The Jews have been trying for decades and for all their efforts are now increasingly facing the blow-back from the closer of the two fellow Abrahamics. The Nazism card had anyway worn off a long time ago.

IMVHO pagans like Sanatanis don't really have much chance. In their world-view brown sub-continental asians are just one rung above the africans...

[gakakkad]

^ they've had such thoughts about Greeks ,Russians ,Jews , east Asians as well. One racial group they never had doubts were whites are arabs

[Rudradev]

https://www.deccanherald.com/business/a ... ut-3639379

NYT article from 21 hours ago.

Trump has completely folded in his "trade war" against China. By withholding rare earth mineral exports in retaliation against Trump's 145% tariffs and restrictions on AI-chip exports, China made the US tech, automobile & defense titans squeal. They in turn have successfully pressured Trump to (1) resume chip exports to PRC and (2) drop tariffs to 30% and (3) fire China Hawks from his administration, replacing them with pro-trade (and pro-China) technocrats.

Besides representing a humiliating defeat for America First, it signals an ominous policy shift in US-China relations from the Indian perspective.

Trump has abjectly begged the Chinese for a state visit to Beijing to sign off on new trade deals in person with Xi Jinping later this year. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick is already lining up top-shelf American CEOs to join his delegation on Air Force One.

I predict that Trump is going to present this as a historic, Nixon Redux rapprochement of the US with China— basically giving PRC whatever they want on a platter while claiming statesmanship points for himself. Part of what the Chinese will demand (and I'm sure Trump will give) is a joint partnership aimed at containing and reversing India's rise.

Taken together with Trump's new fondness for Asim Munir, a new Nixon-Kissinger moment for the US & China will herald the worst phase in US-India relations since 1971.

[chetak]

https://www.deccanherald.com/business/a ... ut-3639379

NYT article from 21 hours ago.

Trump has completely folded in his "trade war" against China. By withholding rare earth mineral exports in retaliation against Trump's 145% tariffs and restrictions on AI-chip exports, China made the US tech, automobile & defense titans squeal. They in turn have successfully pressured Trump to (1) resume chip exports to PRC and (2) drop tariffs to 30% and (3) fire China Hawks from his administration, replacing them with pro-trade (and pro-China) technocrats.

Besides representing a humiliating defeat for America First, it signals an ominous policy shift in US-China relations from the Indian perspective.

Trump has abjectly begged the Chinese for a state visit to Beijing to sign off on new trade deals in person with Xi Jinping later this year. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick is already lining up top-shelf American CEOs to join his delegation on Air Force One.

I predict that Trump is going to present this as a historic, Nixon Redux rapprochement of the US with China— basically giving PRC whatever they want on a platter while claiming statesmanship points for himself. Part of what the Chinese will demand (and I'm sure Trump will give) is a joint partnership aimed at containing and reversing India's rise.

Taken together with Trump's new fondness for Asim Munir, a new Nixon-Kissinger moment for the US & China will herald the worst phase in US-India relations since 1971.

Rudradev ji,

So then, what happens to the QUAD, and the amriki sanctions on russki oil/gas that was going to be a "bunker buster", aimed at India, cheen, and brazil

are both going to land up a gum tree

does this clown need a brain transplant or what ............. ...............

[Rudradev]

QUAD was DOA even during the Biden presidency. To the extent it survives, it's a chai-biskoot shop.

Sanctions on Russki oil/gas buyers is in all likelihood a short-term pressure tactic. It ties in to Trump's "50 days" deadline for Putin to end the war, and depending on what happens it might never get implemented. Even if it is implemented, it can be withdrawn unilaterally in China's case (like 115% of Trump's tarrifs and the China Hawks in Trump's government already have been).

For that matter, China itself will happily throw Roos under the bus for a chance to establish a cosy & profitable G2 Setting with the US... that too, a US with a corrupt buffoon in charge (at least Nixon, by contrast, had a base level of cunning to his credit).

[A_Gupta]

^^^^ once bitten, twice shy -American CEOs will still want to diversify their supply chain, but presumably with new China-US bonhomie this might be located in ASEAN or elsewhere rather than India?

To participate in India’s internal market they will come, but perhaps not for major export from India.

[saip]

That is why it is called TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out). He is always been a con man (6 bankruptcies and counting).

[saip]

My understanding is that years ago India accounted for 7% of rare earth production. But then China happened and India found it cheaper to buy it from China.

[Tanaji]

In the meanwhile, “we will crush your economies”:

https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... hometop_hp

Let’s see.

[bala]

On India and rare earths:

Rare Earth deposits (80-200 million tons) in Siwana/Jalore area have been found in Rajastan. These deposits exceed those of China and others. The issue for India is about processing them safely without pollution.

https://youtu.be/kLBCquWIsd4

Also some more Oil reserves in Barmer ( at least 0.5 B ) Rajastan

[Vayutuvan]

In the meanwhile, “we will crush your economies”:
...
Let’s see.

He is a racist idiot.

[Amber G.]

In the meanwhile, “we will crush your economies”:

https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... hometop_hp

Let’s see.

Not to be outdone here is another Trump Fan, also clueless, but dangerous, this time from India demanding in Rajyasabha -

..., the government should clarify its stance on the statement made by US President Trump, as he has claimed not once but 24 times that he facilitated a ceasefire. This is a humiliating matter for the country,

- Kharge ji..

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Anyway Lindsey Graham’s sweeping Russia Sanctions Bill (S.1241)—warning nations like India and China that “we will crush your economies” if they continue buying Russian oil—has gained massive bipartisan support .. 84+ co-sponsors in the Senate and strong backing in the House. It’s likely to pass, even with potential for veto-proof margins.

But what will Trump do ...his stance remains unpredictable... A veto is possible, but so is a signature ..

India, meanwhile, has responded with clarity and confidence:

- Dr. S. Jaishankar confirmed that India is engaging directly with Senator Graham

- Petroleum Minister Hardeep Puri signaled flexibility, stating - “India can tap other sources if Russian oil is sanctioned.”
- MEA has firmly rejected unilateral sanctions and cautioned against “double standards” on energy trade.
My Hope India’s principled stance and deepening U.S. ties could help carve out realistic exemptions or acceptable solutions... Cooler heads will prevail ..

[A_Gupta]

The last action on S1241

04/01/2025 Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.
Action By: Senate

Prognosis: 2% chance of getting passed
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/s1241

Also see: 6% chance:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr2548

The danger is not Congress. It is Trump, if he decides to do anything it will happen fast.

[Amber G.]

^^^ .. even with ' 84+ co-sponsors in the Senate ' still stuck getting referred..

[m_saini]

I predict that Trump is going to present this as a historic, Nixon Redux rapprochement of the US with China— basically giving PRC whatever they want on a platter while claiming statesmanship points for himself. Part of what the Chinese will demand (and I'm sure Trump will give) is a joint partnership aimed at containing and reversing India's rise.

Taken together with Trump's new fondness for Asim Munir, a new Nixon-Kissinger moment for the US & China will herald the worst phase in US-India relations since 1971.

Trump is, well Trump but a new Nixon-Kissinger moment is impossible for US & China. That is as long as China dreams of (and work towards) becoming No 1.

Americans tamed Japanese when their economy was skyrocketing and they made UK give up their colonies. There's no way they let China rise. Trump can pretend to be the all-powerful emperor but the real power lies with the "tech, automobile & defense titans" who evidently have successfully pressured Trump to fold.

Only way America & China make up is if either one of them gives up the crown (or stop chasing it in case of China). And FWIW, i hope it's china that reigns supreme, it'll give us the kick in the butt that we so desperately need.

[A_Gupta]

Tariff uncertainty continues: US team to visit India in mid-Aug, well after Aug 1 ‘hard deadline’
While India and the US have agreed on a wide range of tariff lines, the negotiations — which currently only involve market access for goods — are stuck over sensitive sectors such as agriculture and automobiles, which are key job creators in India.
https://indianexpress.com/article/busin ... -10140394/

[Amber G.]

About 26th Time..
US President Donald Trump says, "We have stopped wars between India and Pakistan. They were probably going to end up in a nuclear war. They shot down five planes in the last attack. It was back and forth, back and forth. I called them and I said no more trade if you do this. They are both powerful nuclear nations. Who knows where that would have ended up, and I stopped it..." <video>