Modi 3.0 - Bharat

[chetak]

An amazing information about the technology used by the Cholas called "Investment casting!"

This is an exhibit in Govt Museum, Chennai

Read it and feel proud of our ancestors!

Also, if I am not mistaken, Damascus steel is not from Damascus but Indian.

You are right Lisa ji.

There is plenty of literature to support your statement

Damascus blades were first manufactured in the Near East from ingots of wootz steel that were imported from Southern India (present-day Telangana, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Kerala). From the 3rd century to the 17th century, steel ingots were being shipped to the Middle East from South India.

[Aditya_V]

So we basically shipped Steel for them to make swords which were used against us by Ghoris, Ghaznis and Tuglaq's et all, kind of like today Secular voting Indians, who will end up getting their children killed for a special deal, freebie from BIF forces?

[SRajesh]

^^ Saar that is too simplistic explanation.
Our problems were multiple:
1.Lack of cohesion amongst the many ruling dynasties
2.Fighting with the old vedic code of warfare (unlike the momeen who never forgave or let anyone defeated person go)
3. fighting with war elephants
4. Lack of modernization i.e., not being exposed and adapted to the Gun Powder technology
5. Guerrilla tactics and rapidly cavalry assault perfected from the Mongols ( which we did not counter)
Just to list a few.

[chetak]

^^ Saar that is too simplistic explanation.
Our problems were multiple:
1.Lack of cohesion amongst the many ruling dynasties
2.Fighting with the old vedic code of warfare (unlike the momeen who never forgave or let anyone defeated person go)
3. fighting with war elephants
4. Lack of modernization i.e., not being exposed and adapted to the Gun Powder technology
5. Guerrilla tactics and rapidly cavalry assault perfected from the Mongols ( which we did not counter)
Just to list a few.

SRajesh ji,


Lack of cohesion amongst the many ruling dynasties left them blinded to the bigger picture.

Each saw the other as a competitor, even as each tried to buy separate peace with the jihadi hordes by using tactical matrimonial alliance used as political peace offering, hefty tributes, and pledging fealty to the jihadis. Very few saw the larger picture like the marathas did, even as many of the biradari princelings warred among themselves, jockeying for regional power and maneuvering for localized territorial advantage

jihadi troops and jernails used in the military forces of many regional satraps saw these very (and often trusted troops) forces shifting allegiances to the enemy camps / defect at the crucial / opportune moment, usually for gold and silver.

It was the complete lack of the basic elements of shatrubodh that left their flanks exposed while they were warring among themselves, jockeying for minor advantage over their Hindu neighbour(s).

This is how the jihadis ended up ruling over a major part of Bharat, often with relatively miniscule forces, when compared with the populations of the conquered kingdoms, jihadi forces that enforced their will using savagery, brutality, and enslaving, looting, raping, pillaging, brutal conversions, and genocide, destruction of temples and other symbols of an ancient civilizational culture while carrying off male, female, and child prisoners to be sold and bartered in slave markets outside of India

the britshits used the very same tactics and strategy but modified their techniques (like using indentured labour transplanted to other britshit colonial outposts, using local Indian troops officered by the goras, and deploying them in both the world wars, while using Indian money to feed, clothe, and sustain their war efforts, apart from helping the britshits to maintain tight control over law and order, as also to manage some smaller uprisings by dispensing death as a means of keeping the peace) and ended up causing widespread death and destruction using their extractive colonial agenda to bleed Bharat dry, while causing huge famine related deaths in the millions to keep the population subdued, servile, and subservient.

Sadly, the situation has not improved even today. The same gora agenda is still being implemented, but using free trade deals, alliances, and instrumentalities like the QUAD, et al, while the jihadis are funnelling hundreds of millions into their forced conversions, love jihad, and constitutional subversions like primacy of minorities, places of worship act, waqf etc and the theft and illegal misappropriations of land and buildings, and pocketing their rental and other incomes via sly subterfuge and alleged legal chicanery, aided by BIF forces like soreass and that global ilk of commie wokes

they used narratives to brainwash the populace (aryan invasion theory) and contain intellectual rebellion, denigrate and destroy the Hindu civilizational ethos, thus ensuring the destruction of the indigenous educational system which they mocked, sidelined and guilefully replaced with their own educational systems which they declared as infinitely more superior.

Those devious efforts ensured the setting of the Indian mindset in foreign stone, a cancerous perspective and a culturally carcinogenic mentality, and one that dominates the Hindu thinking even today

Today, those old narratives are being used to create newer abrahamic sourced fissures that include caste divisions, manufactured dalit problems and pushing new jihadi agendas to demoralize the majority while restricting their rights

[chetak]

A fortnight ago, the Congress Parliamentary Party Chairperson wrote a critique on India’s recent foreign policy actions.

It was ill-informed, misleading and unnecessarily triggering. Here is my piece offering a logical explanation to India’s recent actions to global events - published in The Hindu today. Do read.

For all those who are curious, Mrs Sonia Gandhi’s piece was called, ‘It is still not too late for India’s voice to be heard.’

[chetak]

no wonder the dynastic dumbos in bihar are screaming their heads off about the loss of illegal beedis, rohingiyas and nepalis who were padding the voters lists

ECI's Bihar SIR Report EXPOSES massive electoral irregularities

52.3 lakh+ electors NOT found at their addresses:
— 18.6 lakh deceased voters
— 26 lakh shifted to other constituencies
— 7.5 lakh enrolled at multiple places
— 2.70% electors yet to fill the form

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 802408.cms

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
Something big is being cooked up by the BIF's and their masters!!
I wonder if DJT has become a part of this cabal to topple the present dispensation or atleast get rid of the MAD combo
Look at the Chronology:
1. Jihadis suddenly get gumption to orchestra Pehalgam In spite of earlier jhappads from us.
2. All preceeded by Ass I am Munnna braying about one moeem equal to 8 kaffirs yada yada. And CENTCOM chief inviting him for all expenses paid for Shopping trip to Unkiland.
3. DJT keeps making strange claims
4. Makes U turn on Xi and makes a deal there
5. So does Britshits and others including Japanese
6. Holds out against us.
7.Raga makes even more weird claims
8. Opening of the Monsoon Session Dhankar does a drama ( and he is just shy of 75!!)
We are in for rocky ride
My only concern here is will the jihadis attempt another strategic move!!
And add to all this the magic number of 75!!

[Lisa]

It may be off tropic, if it it, I apologise

India has the largest piece of arable land in the world. India has a rice yield by hectare approximately one half of the US. Can anyone comment on why this discrepancy is so large? If the gap was reduced by 50%, we could in effect feed half of China for free! This is a comment not on just one crop, same scenario applies to wheat when compared to EU for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_ ... by_country

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/rice-yields

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/wheat-yields

[Lisa]

Europeans were quick to attribute the origin of any technique to whoever they learnt it from. Hence "Damascus steel" was attributed to the Arabs who the European Crusaders encountered and learnt its manufacture. At the same time the Europeans encountered the "Arabic" numbering system from the Arabs; until then they had been using the old Roman format (I for 1, V for five, X for 10 etc). The arrival of Arabic gave a great filip to European numeracy and helped their mathematicians greatly.

Arabic numbering system and Zero, even this only started in Europe in the 13th century and took almost 300-400 more years before common use of Zero began. Almost a concerted effort to deny Indian heritage notwithstanding Sanskrit origins for most european (small case e on purpose) languages.

[Vayutuvan]

At the same time the Europeans encountered the "Arabic" numbering system from the Arabs; until then they had been using the old Roman format (I for 1, V for five, X for 10 etc). The arrival of Arabic gave a great filip to European numeracy and helped their mathematicians greatly.

Yes. In fact, it is Leonardo di pisa, Leonardo Bonacci, count Fibonacci, whose father was a diplomat working in the African continent, who learnt place number system and 0 from the Arabs and brought it to now what is Italy. Leonardo di pisa is widely known as Fibonacci who also invented Fibonacci Sequence. He lived 1170-1250.

That said, all the Indians I see here in the US or the UK are good at arithmetic which is not all that impressive. Our people avoid real higher mathematics because it is hard and not remunerative. There re not many jobs. Most jobs are in software development. For run-of-the-mill programming in Java/Python/Web apps, one doesn't need much mathematics, not even much applied math. Some amount of rudimentary logic, a small amount of analytical skills and good communication skills (English) will get one very long way in those jobs. Career path is only through management - project, product, project estimation and bidding for contracts.

We tend to compare some of our best and brightest Indian students with the average American/British student and come to incorrect conclusion that Americans/British kids are dumb. Your British friend probably is also making the same mistake. I see a lot of Americans make similar mistake.

[KL Dubey]

It may be off tropic, if it it, I apologise

India has the largest piece of arable land in the world. India has a rice yield by hectare approximately one half of the US.

Perhaps we should keep it that way. As of now, we have huge food surplus of grains, "pulses", vegetables and fruits every year, more than enough to feed our population and then some to export. Soon our population will peak and slowly decline as prosperity increases. So, we need to focus on quality and sustainability, not quantity.

Why unnecessarily stress the land with more heavy use of fertilizers, water resources, etc ? Instead:

- reduce the number of people working in agriculture, consolidate farms for more sustainable operation
- promote higher value crops, horticulture, and organic farming...these higher-quality food components are essential for a more productive population
- build sustainable water resources (rain harvesting, aquifer replenishment, river linking) and reduce reliance on the monsoon
- improve food storage and transportation, reduce waste and pilferage

[chetak]

Chetakji
Something big is being cooked up by the BIF's and their masters!!

I wonder if DJT has become a part of this cabal to topple the present dispensation or atleast get rid of the MAD combo
Look at the Chronology:
1. Jihadis suddenly get gumption to orchestra Pehalgam In spite of earlier jhappads from us.
2. All preceeded by Ass I am Munnna braying about one moeem equal to 8 kaffirs yada yada. And CENTCOM chief inviting him for all expenses paid for Shopping trip to Unkiland.
3. DJT keeps making strange claims
4. Makes U turn on Xi and makes a deal there
5. So does Britshits and others including Japanese
6. Holds out against us.
7.Raga makes even more weird claims
8. Opening of the Monsoon Session Dhankar does a drama ( and he is just shy of 75!!)
We are in for rocky ride
My only concern here is will the jihadis attempt another strategic move!!
And add to all this the magic number of 75!!

SRajesh ji,

One fears that you may be right, only time will tell

In south amrika, the judiciary was used to depose and overthrow some govt in a country.

India seems to be heading in that direction with this pillar slowly but surely abrogating to itself powers that were never intended for it when the constitution was drawn up. It's like the fence eating up the crop

this "basic structure of the constitution" is a dangerous concept concocted out of thin air and is being pushed with an evangelical fervor to prevent the govt (and hence the legislature) from exercising the powers granted it by the constitution. NJAC is an example where legislative oversight is being resisted and ultimately prevented. It is not an Indian concept but was thrust upon us by some external interests operating via this pillar, while another compromised and sold out pillar provided tactical and strategic covering fire aimed at airbrushing the illegalities and diverting the public attention

The constitution is a mundane and unimaginative creation, adapted basically from the britshit generated "Government of India Act, 1935" with various other sundry bits and pieces taken from the constitutions of other countries and tacked on, mostly as an after thought. It is the longest constitution in the world, and sheer quantity has been mistaken for quality. The various provisions do not gel smoothly, harmoniously and this document has a gritty and granular feel to it.

The "Government of India Act, 1935" was primarily intended to serve the britshit colonial govt and protect their interests, and it was adversarial to the core interests of the Indian state and her people

Indian constitution a borrowed document:

Import of Government of India Act, 1935: The constitution have included a large number of the provisions of the Government of India Act of 1935 into the Constitution of India. It include federal Scheme, Office of governor, Judiciary, Public Service Commissions, Emergency provisions etc.

Borrowed from:

Britain: Britain ruled for India over 200 years. Thus major part of polity is shaped according to Britain’s polity. E.g. Parliamentary government, Rule of Law, Legislative procedure, Single citizenship, Cabinet system are from Britain unwritten constitution.

Ireland: Many important parts are borrowed from Ireland. These are Directive Principles of State Policy, Nomination of members to Rajya Sabha and Method of election of president.

Unites States of America: United States of America is democracy like India. India borrowed many parts like Impeachment of the president, Functions of president and vice-president, Removal of Supreme Court and High court judges, Fundamental Right, Judicial review, Independence of judiciary and Preamble of the constitution form USA which has helped India to thrive as largest democracy in the world.

Canada: From Canada we inspired and modelled our polity as a union. Borrowed provisions from Canada are Federation with a strong Centre, Vesting of residuary powers in the Centre , Appointment of state governors by the Centre and Advisory jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

Australia: From Australia Concurrent List, Freedom of trade, Commerce and inter-course and Joint sitting of the two Houses of Parliament were borrowed.

Soviet Constitution (USSR, now Russia): Indian constitution borrowed Fundamental duties and ideal of justice (social, economic and political) in the Preamble From USSR.

Many other ideas were borrowed from Japan, France and South Africa. Thereby Indian constitution borrowed significant portion from all over the world but even though it is claimed that it was not a copy-paste, rather was a conscious adoption of strong provisions across the world for Indian society, it has the feel of a dish made from a month of frozen leftovers such that the makers could claim that nothing was wasted or thrown away

when India is an ancient civilizational and cultural power with an unparalleled history of governance, the treatises of Chanakya and other great thinkers et al to take inspiration from, why did the "makers" of the constitution use such a mish mash of ideas and concepts to produce an imperfect document that has needed over a hundred amendments thus far

Compare the advising roles of Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, and Chanakya. Machiavelli, with "The Prince," is seen as advising a city-state ruler; Sun Tzu, in "The Art of War," focuses on kingdoms, and Chanakya, in "Arthashastra," advises on the governance of empires.

Here's a more detailed look:

Machiavelli (City-States):
Machiavelli's "The Prince" is a treatise on acquiring and maintaining political power in the context of Italian city-states. It emphasizes pragmatism, even amorality, in leadership.

Sun Tzu (Kingdoms):
"The Art of War" offers military strategy and tactics, applicable to kingdoms engaged in warfare. While it considers diplomacy and political maneuvering, its core focus is on military campaigns and the organization of armies.

Chanakya (Empires):
"Arthashastra" is a comprehensive manual on statecraft, encompassing economics, politics, and military strategy. It provides guidance for a ruler governing a large empire, emphasizing both internal administration and external relations with other states.

Key Differences in Focus:

Scope:
Machiavelli's work is narrower, focusing on the prince's actions and survival. Sun Tzu's work is primarily military, while Chanakya's "Arthashastra" offers a broad vision for empire building and governance.

Ethical Considerations:
Machiavelli's prince operates in a morally ambiguous space, while Chanakya emphasizes dharma and righteousness in governance. Sun Tzu, while pragmatic, also acknowledges the importance of moral leadership in maintaining power.

Political Context:
Machiavelli's advice is rooted in the fragmented political landscape of Renaissance Italy. Sun Tzu's context is that of warring Chinese states. Chanakya's context is that of the Mauryan empire, aiming for unification and stability.

People say Ambedkar was the architect of the Indian constitution, and yet, Ambedkar says that he was not responsible for it. So it looks like no one wants to own it and take responsibility.

Date: January 23, 2025
Author: Bhanu Dhamija
[By Bhanu Dhamija]


[A version of this article was published on The Quint website on 23 December 2024.]

Recently, India’s Parliament debated whether the country’s 74-year-old Constitution is still effective and being followed. However, the discussion quickly devolved into mudslinging. Congress leader Rahul Gandhi presented a list of alleged Constitution violations by the BJP government, while Prime Minister Modi responded by highlighting numerous violations during the tenures of Congress leaders Jawaharlal Nehru and Indira Gandhi.

The so-called debate was dull and unproductive, but it triggered violence in Parliament and sparked a nationwide controversy when both sides invoked B.R. Ambedkar, the chief architect of the Constitution. Rahul Gandhi quoted Ambedkar’s famous 1950 remark: “If there is no social and economic equality… political equality will be destroyed.” In response, Home Minister Amit Shah remarked, “It has become a fashion to say Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar… If they (Congress) had mentioned God’s name as often, they would have earned a place in heaven.” This comment led to widespread outrage, with opposition parties accusing Shah of insulting Ambedkar.

Dalits need to understand that Ambedkar didn’t actually create the Constitution in the sense of determining its fundamental structure and provisions—Nehru did.

Ugly Truth
The incident may be irrelevant to evaluating the Constitution’s merits, but it exposes an ugly truth in India’s politics. Political parties across the spectrum use Ambedkar’s name to win over Dalit votes, which make up about 17% of the population. These parties portray Ambedkar—still the most revered Dalit leader—as a God-like figure who created India’s Constitution, which they imply is sacred and flawless. Each party seeks to convince Dalits that it is the primary defender of Ambedkar’s legacy and, by extension, their chief benefactor.

In India’s fragmented political landscape, the Dalit vote is so crucial that it has created a no-win situation for the country. India could achieve much greater progress if it were open to debating and addressing the flaws in the Constitution. However, anyone who dares to criticize the document is unlikely to gain political power. The irony is that this deadlock harms Dalits the most, as they remain one of the most oppressed groups in a highly centralized system created by our Constitution. Yet, for years, all parties have told Dalits that Ambedkar’s Constitution is the best and should remain untouched.

Dalits need to understand that Ambedkar didn’t actually create the Constitution in the sense of determining its fundamental structure and provisions—Nehru did. Ambedkar was appointed Chairman of the Drafting Committee by the Constituent Assembly, which was controlled by Congress, with Nehru as its undisputed leader. Over the years, several books and articles have shown that it was Nehru who shaped the Constitution’s core framework. In his 1997 book Worshipping False Gods: Ambedkar and the Facts Which Have Been Erased, Arun Shourie detailed how Ambedkar’s role was mainly to implement the Assembly’s decisions. Sudheendra Kulkarni has also written extensively on this, including in his 2024 article, “Who Contributed More to the Constitution and Its Preamble? Nehru, Not Ambedkar.” He wrote, “The essence of the Preamble and most other defining features of the Constitution came from the Congress—mainly from Nehru.”

The truth is that Ambedkar had a different vision for India’s Constitution and did not fully support the one adopted by the Assembly.

Over the years, several books and articles have shown that it was Nehru who shaped the Constitution’s core framework.

In his 1997 book Worshipping False Gods: Ambedkar and the Facts Which Have Been Erased, Arun Shourie detailed how Ambedkar’s role was mainly to implement the Assembly’s decisions.

Sudheendra Kulkarni has also written extensively on this, including in his 2024 article, “Who Contributed More to the Constitution and Its Preamble? Nehru, Not Ambedkar.”

He wrote, “The essence of the Preamble and most other defining features of the Constitution came from the Congress—mainly from Nehru.”

The makers of the constitution had no concept of what exactly constituted a constitution in a democracy. Some "learned" goras were "consulted", others argued and theorized driven mostly by fire and brimstone rhetoric, leading to naught. There were inherent contradictions in the understanding of the concept of secularism itself. None had the expertise, the deep understanding required or even the intellectual heft needed to effectively address such an onerous and monumental task.

India had an age old and workable concept of secularism but the BIF imposed the french concept of secularism on the constitution, using the ancient jihadi strategy of "किला अंदर से खुलता है". After all, neverwho had been operating inside the Indian qila for decades and knew where the bodies were buried.

whereas the Indian constitution should have been a clean sheet effort, the makers of this document junked the clean sheet concept and settled for the adaptation of existing documents, using the exotic spices and condiments garnered from the ghosts of the constitution from other cultures and countries to make an unwholesome kichidi that was not designed to serve the interests and aspirations of the majority

The Indian dharmic flavor was junked for the bourgeois gourmand feel of a fusion cuisine which produced a document that neither reflected the ethos of the Indian thought and philosophical concepts, nor did it embody the aspirations of the long supressed Indian soul and her inherent character of revering education and enterprise

Indian independence was not just a political goal - it was the awakening of a nation’s long suppressed soul, the unbreakable cry of a people who refused to be silenced, and the rising tide of a future written by Indians, for India, while ahimsa was a crackpot fad, pushed fallaciously, as a "cast in stone" civilizationally embedded cultural truth, long after its sell by date, by people who never bothered to read India's long and bloody history and the brutalities heaped on her peoples by barbaric and genocidal abrahamic invaders who had no concept of such an esoteric philosophy and didn't care in the least, engrossed as the makers were in conforming to idea of internationalism and alleged modernity, as dictated by the neverwho led congress.

In this dangerous game that was being played out, the constitution of India took a major hit, swayed by the pulls, pressures, agendas and interests of the rapacious jihadis and abrahamic minorities who demanded priority, as well as, primacy in their dealings with the Indian state

This was the outcome of mindless repurposing of a mish mash of alien documents not originally intended to embed the concept of democracy, reflected in a unique constitution as applied to the exclusive and sui generis entity of the Indian republic, which was different from all other countries and their constitutions, which BTW, emphatically reflected this supreme loyalty in ensuring the integrity of their own states and the well being of their peoples

So, in hindsight, after 70 years of poor governance and rising caste and communal tensions, was the Indian constitution, as originally drafted and subsequently amended, a success story, or was it otherwise.

The jury is still out on that one

[nandakumar]

^^ Saar that is too simplistic explanation.
Our problems were multiple:
1.Lack of cohesion amongst the many ruling dynasties
2.Fighting with the old vedic code of warfare (unlike the momeen who never forgave or let anyone defeated person go)
3. fighting with war elephants
4. Lack of modernization i.e., not being exposed and adapted to the Gun Powder technology
5. Guerrilla tactics and rapidly cavalry assault perfected from the Mongols ( which we did not counter)
Just to list a few.

The thing that intrigued me was the success that Islamic invaders is the non adoption of gun powder technology. It is not as though they invented it. Similarly, I have read somewhere that the rapid cavalry attack and Islamic warrior horsemen prevailing in one-on-one fights is due to their horses equipped with stirrups which afforded greater freedom in manoeuvring. Can someone enlighten me.

[Sachin]

no wonder the dynastic dumbos in bihar are screaming their heads off about the loss of illegal beedis, rohingiyas and nepalis who were padding the voters lists

SIR row: 'EC doesn't know Bihar's history or geography', says JD(U) MP Giridhari Yadav
And JD(U) is part of the NDA? Looks like there are worries in the secular & communal camps as well.

[SRajesh]

Nandakumarji
Subukgtin, Timur, Ghorid, Timurid are parts of the fall out of the vast Mongol Empire.
Mongols did adopt Gun powder from the Chinese.
Apart from Kublai who fell out of the original Mongol style and adopted Chinese (and hence Yuan dynasty) rest of the Genghis progeny remaind true to Mongol tradition of Horse riding AND Raiding, drinking, pillaging and raping.
Rapid cavalry attacks are the part of the Mongol traditions which eventually all the Middle Eastern Arabs adopted.
They kept fighting amongst themselves and though broken in mutiple kingdoms still controlled vast swathes of land.
Conversion to Islam for them a political exigency which later turned into religious fervour.
Our Jihadi neighbours and their neighbours have conveniently erased their Mongol heritage from the collective consciousness

[Prem Kumar]

Chetakji
Something big is being cooked up by the BIF's and their masters!!

SRajesh ji,

One fears that you may be right, only time will tell

In south amrika, the judiciary was used to depose and overthrow some govt in a country.

Something is certainly afoot. But regarding Judiciary, it seems like that its the Modi sarkar that is punishing their own attack-dogs who go after the Judiciary. This is colossally dumb. The first rule of good-cop, bad-cop is the understanding that they both work for the same side

But we see repeatedly (as Jaggi of Swarajya pointed out) that the BJP Govt does this self-goal. Case in point: Nishikant Dubey. Now, its Dhankhar

This is craven capitulation, though Modi supporters will argue about 3D chess and backroom dealings by which the Judiciary is kept in check. Even if this is true, if you are publicly kneeling in front of the judiciary, that's terrible optics for a Govt elected to govern 1.3 Billion people

There is no undercurrent of resentment against the Govt (unlike in South America or Bangladesh), that can be tapped into via the Judiciary. If anything, the public is fed up with the latter. Modi should stop walking on egg-shells and show some spine. Heck, take a lesson or two from Trump in this regard

[nandakumar]

Nandakumarji
Subukgtin, Timur, Ghorid, Timurid are parts of the fall out of the vast Mongol Empire.
Mongols did adopt Gun powder from the Chinese.
Apart from Kublai who fell out of the original Mongol style and adopted Chinese (and hence Yuan dynasty) rest of the Genghis progeny remaind true to Mongol tradition of Horse riding AND Raiding, drinking, pillaging and raping.
Rapid cavalry attacks are the part of the Mongol traditions which eventually all the Middle Eastern Arabs adopted.
They kept fighting amongst themselves and though broken in mutiple kingdoms still controlled vast swathes of land.
Conversion to Islam for them a political exigency which later turned into religious fervour.
Our Jihadi neighbours and their neighbours have conveniently erased their Mongol heritage from the collective consciousness

Thanks for the clarification, SRajesh! I understand now.

[Sachin]

Something is certainly afoot. But regarding Judiciary, it seems like that its the Modi sarkar that is punishing their own attack-dogs who go after the Judiciary. This is colossally dumb. The first rule of good-cop, bad-cop is the understanding that they both work for the same side.

I think there is a lot more things happening behind our eyes, and even main stream media and political parties (except BJP) may have any strong clues. VP Jagdeep Dhankar has an interesting history. He has an LLB degree (from Uni. of Rajasthan in 1978). And he also practised as an advocate in Rajasthan High Court. Then he joined Janata Dal, and served as Union Minister in Chandra Shekhar's government. Then he made a jump and joined the Nehru-Ghandi's Indian National Congress, but lost in the 1991 general elections. Then he took a break (reason given was that the death of his son-in-law), and joined the BJP in 2008.

So the now resigned VP is no stranger to the lawyer & judge community. He had accepted a motion from the I.N.D.I gang to impeach a judge, or judges. Who were those judges? Was it Justice Verma (the cash-man), or Justice Yadav (who made pro-Hindutwa remarks), or was it both? There were reports about BJP MLAs getting SMS/calls to get into a huddle in the office of senior BJP ministers at real quick notice. So it could be that BJP had got wind of certain actions planned by the VP and worked on the counter measures. With the current majority in LS & RS, BJP can still have its way and could have thwarted any of the plans which the VP (with the support of the "secular" gang) may have made.

The take for me in this incident is the involvement of lawyers in every aspect. VP ex-lawyer, "Seculars" pushing in the motion had lawyers like Kapil Sibal, Singhvi etc. The judges who were to be impeached were also lawyers (at the start of their legal careers). And the beauty of all. In case a motion of impeachment is actually passed. Guess how the process works? There has to be an inquiry based on the Judges (Inquiry) Act, 1968. Sec 3(2) of this Act states that President is to constitute a committee to make an investigation. And who are the committee members? 1 member from Chief Justice & other Judges of SC. 1 member from CJs of High Courts. And one eminent citizen who is a jurist (can be even Kapil Sibal, Prashant Bhusham etc.).

[SRajesh]

Sachinji
This probably was going to be a failed attempt given BJP has majority
But I feel that this was created to bring a flashpoint for the Monsoon session.
Just like previous sessions, BIF's probably dont want some important Hindu related discussion to take place:
1. places or worship act
2. muzrai act
3. UCC
They dont want anything to be presented and passed
And even if passed by the Legislature they would try to block it in super assembly( and you who and where I am alluding to )

[chetak]

SRajesh ji,

One fears that you may be right, only time will tell

In south amrika, the judiciary was used to depose and overthrow some govt in a country.

Something is certainly afoot. But regarding Judiciary, it seems like that its the Modi sarkar that is punishing their own attack-dogs who go after the Judiciary. This is colossally dumb. The first rule of good-cop, bad-cop is the understanding that they both work for the same side

But we see repeatedly (as Jaggi of Swarajya pointed out) that the BJP Govt does this self-goal. Case in point: Nishikant Dubey. Now, its Dhankhar

This is craven capitulation, though Modi supporters will argue about 3D chess and backroom dealings by which the Judiciary is kept in check. Even if this is true, if you are publicly kneeling in front of the judiciary, that's terrible optics for a Govt elected to govern 1.3 Billion people

There is no undercurrent of resentment against the Govt (unlike in South America or Bangladesh), that can be tapped into via the Judiciary. If anything, the public is fed up with the latter. Modi should stop walking on egg-shells and show some spine. Heck, take a lesson or two from Trump in this regard

Prem Kumar ji,

the full details of the dhankar fiasco is not yet out but it looks like it was headed toward a full fledged constitutional crisis.

the bits and pieces that have surfaced hints that the VP was not what he portrayed himself to be.

some few hizzonners seem to have made a very late night visit to see the pm, and the next day matters took a very different turn. He landed up at the rashtrapati bhavan without an appointment or notice, to hand in his resignation letter, catching the staff there by surprise. he then also put out his resignation letter on the SM. he did not even inform the govt prior to his visit to see the president or even about his resignation. The fact that no farewell was organized for him, is by itself, very telling

Nishikant Dubey is a weaponized samurai of controlled aggression that is unleashed once in a while. Every party has such people but Nishikant Dubey is the best among the lot and in a class of his own. His statements are extremely well researched and very lucidly presented and no one has faulted him on facts. He has very high level backers

If you get the chance and have the time, one suggests that you listen to him.

He is a 4 time MP, who represents the Godda constituency in Jharkhand since May 2009, having won the seat in 2009 (15th Lok Sabha), 2014, 2019 and 2024. He has been awarded with the Sansad Ratna awards in 2025 for his performance in parliamentary duties.

He is not a rabble rouser, but an accomplished professional political marksman, a high value legislative asset of tremendous significance, armed with both experience and political acumen, and is very much feared in opposition circles

He is a very different kettle of fish, with his own loyal mass based voter support.

[Amber G.]

On 25 July 2025, PM Modi will complete 4,078 consecutive days in office—surpassing Indira Gandhi (4,077 days) to become India’s 2nd longest-serving PM in a single stretch. Only Nehru (6,130 days) served longer.

[Amber G.]

xpost from physics:
The Indian team has made the country proud yet again by winning 3 Gold and 2 Silver medals at the just concluded 55th International Physics Olympiad 2025 held in Paris, France. Congratulations to team!

[Amber G.]

An impressive rescue by the Indian Armed Forces

[Prem Kumar]

Chetak Ji: I certainly agree with you on Nishikant Dubey - he is fantastic. My point was exactly on that - why is Modi sarkar distancing themselves from him, saying these are his "personal views"? It looks like they will throw him under the bus, rather than using him as an effective bad-cop

The below is what JP Nadda wrote on X

"The BJP has nothing to do with the comments of MPs Nishikant Dubey and Dinesh Sharma on the judiciary and the Chief Justice. These are their personal comments, but the BJP neither agrees with them nor does it ever support such remarks. The BJP absolutely rejects them"

Sachin Ji: VP Dhankar so far has not betrayed any "secular" credentials. In fact, most people on SM welcomed the tongue-lashing he gave to the judiciary, especially since no one from the Govt had the cojones to do so

Thirdly, do you recall how Kiren Rijiju was removed from the post of Law Minister when he started taking on the judiciary?

If I connect the dots, it appears as though the Govt forced the VP to resign under pressure from the Judiciary

Agreed, no one knows what happened behind the scenes, but the above is what it looks like from afar

[chetak]

Chetak Ji: I certainly agree with you on Nishikant Dubey - he is fantastic. My point was exactly on that - why is Modi sarkar distancing themselves from him, saying these are his "personal views"? It looks like they will throw him under the bus, rather than using him as an effective bad-cop

The below is what JP Nadda wrote on X

"The BJP has nothing to do with the comments of MPs Nishikant Dubey and Dinesh Sharma on the judiciary and the Chief Justice. These are their personal comments, but the BJP neither agrees with them nor does it ever support such remarks. The BJP absolutely rejects them"

Sachin Ji: VP Dhankar so far has not betrayed any "secular" credentials. In fact, most people on SM welcomed the tongue-lashing he gave to the judiciary, especially since no one from the Govt had the cojones to do so

Thirdly, do you recall how Kiren Rijiju was removed from the post of Law Minister when he started taking on the judiciary?

If I connect the dots, it appears as though the Govt forced the VP to resign under pressure from the Judiciary

Agreed, no one knows what happened behind the scenes, but the above is what it looks like from afar

Prem Kumar ji,


It's called plausible deniability.

Plausible deniability simply means avoiding creating a record that proves what you did

These are usually vague(ish) utterances that tend to be used to undermine the self worth of their current target.

It's much easier for them to control the narrative that way.

If you call them out on it, you'll most likely get plenty of denial, (e.g. I never said that, I was just joking, that's not what I meant, you always twist my words etc.)

ergo, a new overton window has been opened

The common opinion on the judiciary is now the new normal which is widespread among the mango people.

No FIR, burnt notes, and impeachment moves in the parliament have whittled away the public's trust in the judiciary.

Does anyone think this all this happened by some fortuitous chance

This is one big overton window that is now enlarging fairly rapidly, even as we speak.

The effectiveness of Nishikant Dubey's utterances are politically devastating, especially when the ruling party claims that "These are his personal comments, but the BJP neither agrees with them nor does it ever support such remarks" and this is a classic, and boilerplate plausible deniability ploy.

And the cherry on top is the fact that: To prosecute Nishikant Dubey MP, even the judiciary needs legislative permission and that will never be forthcoming from this govt

BTW, the BJP rarely throws anyone under the bus.

They very patiently wait for that person to run into the path of a speeding bus, which most of them, sooner or later, do on their own, there are so many examples: susu, satyapal malik, yeshwant sinha, powore, thakray père et fils, and more

[sanjayc]

Modi govt. should be careful in ongoing case in Supreme Court for lowering the age of consent for sexual intercourse to 16 years. This campaign is funded from Gulf countries and is designed to protect love jihad predators who typically target Hindu girls of 16 to17 years of age and are currently booked under POSCO.

Reduce age of consent from 18 to 16, Supreme Court told
Indira Jaising, a senior advocate, argued the current law criminalises consensual romantic relationships amongst adolescents and violates their constitutional rights.

Supreme Court-appointed amicus curiae and senior advocate Indira Jaising has argued that consensual sexual acts by teenagers, aged between 16 and 18, in voluntary relationships cannot be classified as “abuse” or prosecuted as a crime

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/law-new ... 2025-07-24

After marital rape, this is another campaign launched by foreign players. They are trying bypass the Parliament to get laws made directly through SC.

If age of consent has to be lowered to 16, then both the individuals (boy and girl) have to be below 18 years of age. Otherwise we will have 40 year old men legally chasing 16 year old girls for sex. That will also take care of of Love Jihadis who are typically over 18 while the girl is typically 16 or 17.

[chetak]

Modi govt. should be careful in ongoing case in Supreme Court for lowering the age of consent for sexual intercourse to 16 years. This campaign is funded from Gulf countries and is designed to protect love jihad predators who typically target Hindu girls of 16 to17 years of age and are currently booked under POSCO.

Reduce age of consent from 18 to 16, Supreme Court told
Indira Jaising, a senior advocate, argued the current law criminalises consensual romantic relationships amongst adolescents and violates their constitutional rights.

Supreme Court-appointed amicus curiae and senior advocate Indira Jaising has argued that consensual sexual acts by teenagers, aged between 16 and 18, in voluntary relationships cannot be classified as “abuse” or prosecuted as a crime

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/law-new ... 2025-07-24

After marital rape, this is another campaign launched by foreign players. They are trying bypass the Parliament to get laws made directly through SC.

If age of consent has to be lowered to 16, then both the individuals (boy and girl) have to be below 18 years of age. Otherwise we will have 40 year old men legally chasing 16 year old girls for sex. That will also take care of of Love Jihadis who are typically over 18 while the girl is typically 16 or 17.

sanjayc ji,

The one vital fact that no one mentions is that the jihadins are a now major part of this love jihad teams and conversion networks, often identifying, enticing, entrapping luring, and finally delivering these confused victims, the young Hindu girls into the hands of the jihadis who do the actual grooming, rape and the often violent conversions, followed by forcible nikahs.

The presstitutes are inherently complicit in this by the very silence that they maintain, as are the wokes, naxals and the BIF funded NGOs who run legal interference for the jihadis, by paying off the cops, babooze, politicos, padres, katmuls and the legal ecosystem by providing cover fire to thwart arrests and public violence against the jihadis

[uddu]

- reduce the number of people working in agriculture

This kind of a policy under congress regime meant disaster for people who were living tilling their own land. Eventually purged them from their own land and made them laborer's who slept under footpaths in cities.
Shri Hukmdev Narayan Yadav's speech in the discussion on The General #Budget 2015-16

[Vayutuvan]

- reduce the number of people working in agriculture

This kind of a policy under congress regime meant disaster for people who were living tilling their own land. Eventually purged them from their own land and made them laborer's who slept under footpaths in cities.
Shri Hukmdev Narayan Yadav's speech in the discussion on The General #Budget 2015-16
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100%. It would be complete disaster unless we industrialize first. Bird brained ideas now coming from BJP supporters.

[KL Dubey]

- reduce the number of people working in agriculture

This kind of a policy under congress regime meant disaster for people who were living tilling their own land. Eventually purged them from their own land and made them laborer's who slept under footpaths in cities.

That's not what I meant.

"Reduce the number of people in agriculture" means develop the rural and semi-rural areas to provide other opportunities (including agro-based industry). Not some kind of socialist goremint scheme to move people out without any industrial/financial backing.

This has been the trajectory of every developed country. I am all for "Jai Kisan!" but subsistence agriculture is "Hai Kisan!"

[Tanaji]

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... hometop_hp

Hizzoners insinuating that the ability to speak the gora language directly correlates governing ability. Mind you he can understand spoken English and obviously read it but just can’t speak it.

Infuriating the mental slaves we have. The guy is probably closer to the people he serves than those hizzoners who quote Greek philosophy at the drop of the hat will ever be

[VinodTK]

PM Modi tops 'democratic leader approval ratings' | DD India

[SRajesh]

Any idea ti=o what extent Shri Dhankarji had gone to??
Just trying creating a constitutional crisis or was there much more planned with the BIF's
Was there a plan to topple the government??
Some WhatsApp rumours circulating about him sounding out NDA members to withdraw support
Is there any truth to this.

[chetak]

Any idea ti=o what extent Shri Dhankarji had gone to??
Just trying creating a constitutional crisis or was there much more planned with the BIF's
Was there a plan to topple the government??
Some WhatsApp rumours circulating about him sounding out NDA members to withdraw support
Is there any truth to this.

SRajesh ji,

Right now, the emerging situation is getting more complex by the hour, as the contours of the intricate web are still appearing into the public domain and the stakes of some of the prominent dramatis personae and BIF interests get foregrounded

But is looks like the usual suspects (which, BTW, may include the BIF) may all be involved, some overtly, and others more covertly

the public spectacle of a political beheading by constitutional guillotine, of a trusted asset turned cancerous liability, is meant to serve as a brutal warning to others who might be inclined to take a swing at the king.

It helps understanding if one recalls the old adage concerning regime change: 'If you come for the king, you best not miss"

All one has to note is who are the scum rabble rousers that are the normally very vocal, but have chosen to remain conspicuously silent

and now, to divert attention, the mafioso are trying to organize a belated "farewell" for the not so dearly departed, forgetting perhaps, that especially this govt has a very long memory

[Sachin]

After marital rape, this is another campaign launched by foreign players. They are trying bypass the Parliament to get laws made directly through SC.

No courts in India can make any laws, our Constituition does not permit it (and thank God for the same). Where the courts meddle into the domian of the legislature and executive is when the written law is ambiguous and the courts start "interpreting" it. If the governments are smart; what they should be doing is to make critical laws non-ambiguous so that the courts cannot use their King's English skills to interpret it in different ways.

[chetak]

After marital rape, this is another campaign launched by foreign players. They are trying bypass the Parliament to get laws made directly through SC.

No courts in India can make any laws, our Constituition does not permit it (and thank God for the same). Where the courts meddle into the domian of the legislature and executive is when the written law is ambiguous and the courts start "interpreting" it. If the governments are smart; what they should be doing is to make critical laws non-ambiguous so that the courts cannot use their King's English skills to interpret it in different ways.

Sachun ji,

but the BIF hand is openly visible

Guess who's is the amicus curiae............

They assist an appellate court by offering additional, relevant information or arguments the court may want to consider before making their ruling.

[bala]

the written law is ambiguous and the courts start "interpreting" it. If the governments are smart; what they should be doing is to make critical laws non-ambiguous so that the courts cannot use their King's English skills to interpret it in different ways.

This is key observation. If the judiciary is automated via AI and other IT means, the law as passed in parliament forms the base RAG (retrieval augmented generation, a term used in AI). Attached are various specific scenarios which can hold true and the legislature arm can tweak it so that it is precise. Screw Kings English nonsense. Maybe a sanskrit version (which is more precise) can be added. Effectively such judiciary automated decision making programs can zero in on precedent (another judiciary creation of prior rulings) and applicability of current laws and decide the case up front. No need for "learned" judge or argumentative crooked lawyer.

India has to reform the Britshit inspired judiciary and create something more modern and apt for the current times.

[sanjayc]

After marital rape, this is another campaign launched by foreign players. They are trying bypass the Parliament to get laws made directly through SC.

No courts in India can make any laws, our Constituition does not permit it (and thank God for the same). Where the courts meddle into the domian of the legislature and executive is when the written law is ambiguous and the courts start "interpreting" it. If the governments are smart; what they should be doing is to make critical laws non-ambiguous so that the courts cannot use their King's English skills to interpret it in different ways.

Supreme Court is openly making laws ("judicial legislation") and also imposing taxes.

Courts Cannot Make Laws Is A "Myth" Busted Long Back: Supreme Court
The theory that the courts cannot or do not make laws is a myth which has been "exploded a long while ago", the Supreme Court asserted on Thursday.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/courts- ... rt-3829557

Supreme Court Allows Above 2000cc Diesel Cars For Delhi - But With New Tax
Large diesel cars, mainly SUVs, can once again be sold in Delhi, the Supreme Court has said, but a green fine will have to be paid by manufacturers or dealers to compensate for polluting the city's air. The tax - 1% of the ex-showroom or retail price - must be deposited in a designated state-run bank, the top court said.

https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/ban-on- ... hi-1443423