Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion

[Cain Marko]

We need to figure out why pak is needed to whack Iran .

I think best for the world is Ayatollah flees and no additional intervention is needed

I doubt Khameni will do that.

My fear is that post our missile success in Op Sindoor, Air HQ will do a re-think of 42 squadrons for the IAF. The MRFA will still be alive (heaven forbid for Air HQ if they shut down that contest! ) but our local programs (follow on Mk1A order + Mk2) will suffer. If Mk2 goes the way of the dodo bird, AMCA will be DOA (Dead On Arrival).

Our missile program is nothing short of spectacular and is only set to rise ---> viewtopic.php?p=2652449#p2652449

Will they give up on that number or really start to push for it? Methinks sophisticated well integrated and extensive ADS with various radar types (voronez, nebo, gravestone, green pine, krtr, rajrndra etc.) backed with variety of SAMs, EW and guns, might be a more asymmetric and cheaper way to deal with this menace

Having said this India will need effective offensive systems that can breakthrough Chinese and Pakistani ADS. Hypersonics, brahmos variants, Stealthy UCAVs and flying wingman types.

Such assets might be better investments along with top quality surveillance platforms than just trying to fight fire with fire ( stealth vs stealth). Manned fighter platforms could well end up being obsolete in the near future.

[Manish_P]

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My fear is that post our missile success in Op Sindoor, Air HQ will do a re-think of 42 squadrons for the IAF. The MRFA will still be alive (heaven forbid for Air HQ if they shut down that contest! ) but our local programs (follow on Mk1A order + Mk2) will suffer. If Mk2 goes the way of the dodo bird, AMCA will be DOA (Dead On Arrival).

Our missile program is nothing short of spectacular and is only set to rise ---> viewtopic.php?p=2652449#p2652449

Possible but it's more likely that the government and babus will now take the aircrafts acquisition more leisurely.

The IAF vs IAF rivalry will grow. The IAF will ask for more share of the budget for missiles to destroy runways and air space denial to keep the PAF grounded. And extrapolate it to China (we can't match the Chinese PLAAF in numbers so let's stop them from taking off)

It will be interesting to see the IAF vision for their force structure in the 2040s. How many squadrons of armed HALEs/MALE do they have in mind. Will they eat up into the 42 squadrons number or will it be 42 squadrons of manned aircraft + 'n' squadrons of unmanned UCAVs.

(My jingo mind wants 'n' to be equal or more than 'm')

[SRajesh]

Rakesh
In the IAF of 2040's is there a place for a Bomber Squadron.
Somtheing that can deliver all sorts of Mangoes and Watermelons!! to all and sundry.
Or will the IAF/Strategic Command decide only on the mijjiles especially some extra interest in the Hypersonic variety!

[Manish_P]

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Or will the IAF/Strategic Command decide only on the mijjiles especially some extra interest in the Hypersonic variety!

Issi liye 'Darr ka Mahual' hai...

[VinodTK]

New nuclear threat: Pakistan developing intercontinental ballistic missile that could hit US, says report

Another growing concern stems from Pakistan. US intelligence agencies have assessed that Pakistan is actively developing an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching the continental United States.

What is ICBM?
ICBM is a long-range missile with a reach exceeding 5,500 kilometers (3,400 miles), primarily designed to deliver nuclear payloads—typically one or more thermonuclear warheads. While ICBMs are theoretically capable of carrying conventional, chemical, or biological weapons, such payloads have never been operationally deployed on these systems.
Modern ICBMs often feature multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs), enabling a single missile to deliver several warheads to different targets simultaneously.

Countries currently known to possess operational ICBMs include the United States, Russia, China, France, the United Kingdom, India, Israel, and North Korea. Pakistan, despite being a nuclear-armed nation, remained the only such state without an ICBM capability.Advancements in missile technology, such as those seen in second- and third-generation systems like the U.S. LGM-118 Peacekeeper, significantly increased accuracy, allowing ICBMs to hit even small, fortified targets with high reliability.

ICBMs stand apart from other ballistic missile classes due to their extended range and faster speed. They surpass intermediate-range ballistic missiles (IRBMs), medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBMs), short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs), and tactical ballistic missiles in both capability and strategic impact.

Is Pakistan building an ICBM?

According to a report by Foreign Affairs, the Pakistani military is pursuing a nuclear-armed ICBM, particularly in the wake of Operation Sindoor that took place in May.

While Islamabad maintains that its nuclear program is aimed solely at deterring India—its conventionally superior neighbor—US intelligence agencies have assessed that Pakistan is actively developing an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching the continental United States.

By pursuing such long-range capabilities, Pakistan may be attempting to deter potential US actions—whether a preemptive strike on its nuclear facilities or intervention in a future conflict with India.

Change in US strategy?

US officials have pointed out, the acquisition of ICBMs capable of targeting American territory would compel Washington to categorize Pakistan as a nuclear threat. Historically, no nation with such reach has been treated as an ally by the United States. In effect, the threat of nuclear escalation now shadows every region central to US strategic interests.

While each emerging nuclear adversary—Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran—poses a significant threat on its own, the prospect of coordination or strategic collusion among them presents a far more alarming challenge.

[Cain Marko]

New nuclear threat: Pakistan developing intercontinental ballistic missile that could hit US, says report

Another growing concern stems from Pakistan. US intelligence agencies have assessed that Pakistan is actively developing an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching the continental United States.

Basically this looks like Trumps plan to denuclearization. First, maybe sure Iran doesn't get em and then denude Pakistan. Iirc the Israelis did say Pakistan was next..Op sindoor continues.

[drnayar]

https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/de ... ic-missile

Roketsan presented the Tayfun Block 4 hypersonic missile at the International Defence Industry Fair (IDEF) 2025 held in Istanbul from 22 to 27 July. The missile is 10 m long, has a diameter of 938 mm, weighs 7,200 kg, and carries a high-explosive blast fragmentation warhead.

A Roketsan representative declined to give its range when asked by Janes on 25 July, saying only that previous blocks are ballistic. The latter have a range greater than 280 km, length of 6.5 km, and diameter of 610 mm. Weighing 2,300 kg, they are armed with a preshaped fragmentation warhead, with a circular error probable below 10 m, which according to Roketsan reduces collateral damage.

Tayfun has an anti-jamming capability, with resistance to electronic warfare and GPS jamming. Mounted on an 8×8 transporter erector launcher vehicle, Tayfun can be placed quickly into firing position.

( Posting here , as likely future weapons of jihadistan)

[drnayar]

https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/de ... atah-gmlrs

Pakistan's Global Industrial & Defence Solutions (GIDS) presented a model of its Fatah Guided Multi Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) at the International Defence Industry Fair (IDEF) 2025 held in Istanbul from 22 to 27 July. The model was an 8×8 multilaunch vehicle (MLV) with a pod for four Fatah-I 301 mm guided rockets and a pod for a 600 mm Fatah-II guided rocket.

A GIDS representative told Janes on 25 July that development of the system had been completed and that it was in Pakistani service. He added that GIDS was looking for international partners for the system.

Fatah-II is a surface-to-surface GMLRS with two pods for the oblique launch of a non-ballistic, all-course manoeuvre supersonic weapon system with a 365 kg warhead with a range of 100–290 km and a circular error probable (CEP) less than 50 m in salvo or non-salvo mode. With a length of 7.5 m, it is powered by a single-stage, dual-thrust solid rocket motor with a programmable trajectory, in-flight manoeuvrability, and guidance until impact, with integrated navigation – an inertial navigation system (INS) and global navigation satellite services (GNSS). It has an auto aiming, levelling, positioning, and orientation system.