Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[gakakkad]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

[pravula]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Right on time. As soon as no F35 news begins to get out

[Ambar]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

Authored by Syed Shah and Shivam Patel. Syed Shah is a Paki and Shivam Patel is a freelancer who writes for 'The Hindu', 'The Indian Express' and "Reuters'. Pakis punch well above their weight when it comes to PR, narrative setting and lobbying. The least we can do is take propagandists like Shivam Patel to task but we all know nothing is going to happen to people like him when even bigger offenders like Zubair are roaming free.

[Bharadwaj]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 025-08-02/

The system allowed the J-10s flying closer to India to obtain radar feeds from the surveillance plane cruising further away, meaning the Chinese-made fighters could turn their radars off and fly undetected, according to experts. Pakistan's military did not respond to requests for comment on this point.

The PL-15 that hit the Rafale was fired from around 200km (124.27 mi) away, according to Pakistani officials, and even farther according to Indian officials. That would make it among the longest-range air-to-air strikes recorded.

If indeed the j-10 was not detectable thanks to this super duper data link, how does the Indian official quoted know that the pl-15 was launched farther than 200km? Reuters standards my a**

[sanjayc]

Reuters is building a narrative of Pakistan trumping India in battle, hence proclaiming Paki superiority and down-valuing India. This is nothing but old Western narrative where Pakistan is positioned as equal counterpart to India. They are very carefully focusing on Pakistani claims related to only first day of battle, and never once asked the Paki officials to show any proof of Rafale being downed. They very carefully omitted the fact that Paki DGMO called Indian counterpart next day, after nine Paki airports were bombed, and requested a ceasefire.

[Aditya_V]

The point it is not Paki PR or our failure, it is just reporting what they want to belive. Even they know it is not True, they will write Russia lost 1 million soldiers in 2 months, it is upto the reader to belive

[drnayar]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

A lie quoted a thousand times appears like the truth. This is the maxim for ads and narratives.

[Anujan]

Guys, I heard that India lost 1 frigate and about 50 aircrafts shot down in the 1971 war.

Was it a total failure of India's planning and tactics? How was Pakistan able to defeat India in 71?

[Bharadwaj]

Dammm .... you almost got me there.

[Rudradev]

I am right now visiting Mumbai, Pakistan. Pak navy & air force liberated it from the Dirty Kafirs of India during the disastrous Op Sindoor.

There is a confluence of interests running these narratives. We know that Reuters, Bloomberg & other such agencies are controlled by Chinese money to a very large extent— while Qatar has invested in an Al Jazeera, China has simply acquired long-established Western brands in the "news" agency space.

Pakistanis are involved (if at all) on the foot-soldier level: the gadhaa-mazdoori reporters who write the copy and put their names on the byline.

"Indians" (with BA's and PG diplomas in "journalism") are involved because the media sepoy career path is very well laid out for them. It is a coveted career path among their kind (what other avenues exist for them to make similar money, after all?) The one thing they have to offer is an Indian/Hindu sounding name that provides a mask of authenticity, native-informant fluency, and neutrality to articles bearing it. They write what is expected so that more money, and eventually more status, will be conferred on them to write even more of what is expected in future.

I think that even though it galls us (especially true of us BRF types who spend a lot of time scouring the web for information online)— it actually matters very little in the power centers of the real world. And as the credibility of mainstream "news" outlets continues to decline, it will only matter less.

[Anujan]

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

I am sure that Op Sindoor being debated in the Monsoon session of the parliament right as we speak is complete coincidence onlee and the article timing was pure chance onlee.

https://www.news18.com/politics/parliam ... 72201.html

[bala]

Somebody (hunt0810) created this YT, recreating Op Sindoor with some great visuals - a decisive and precise Indian military operation in recent years. Launched in retaliation to the Pahalgam tourist attack, the Indian Air Force executed coordinated deep-strike missions on strategic enemy infrastructure across Pak-occupied territory.

Targets Hit:
Nur Khan Airbase
Bholari Base
Rahim Yar Khan Depot
Kirana Hills Ammunition Site
Bahawalpur HQ of hostile elements

The mission was conducted with zero Indian casualties, crippling logistics and runway capability of enemy airbases in under 24 minutes. Rafale fighters along with Su30 MKI leading the charge, supported by the S-400 air defence shield and precision-guided SCALP & AASM munitions, and Brahmos systems, the operation disrupted multiple command centers and forward airbases used for coordination. India obliterated key operational hubs of proscribed organizations under UN Sanctions List and Infrastructure disabled, leadership compounds neutralized, radar assets blinded.

Operation Sindoor - The Action Cut
video contains real-time combat visuals captured during the strike timeline.

[Rudradev]

https://youtu.be/si8aYOt35hw?si=aq1nOO6x7OLd87A-

Aadi Achint & Pathikrit Payne do a brief analysis of the Reuters story.

Many objectives:
1) False advertising of worthless Chinese weapons exports
2) To a lesser extent, preserving the reputation of American weapons exports (which Pakistan also uses)
3) Slandering the reputation of French (Rafale) but even more so Russian arms & defence technology... curtailing Russian weapons exports is a key aspect of the economic war against Moscow over Ukraine.
4) Projecting a contrived reputation of Pakistan's armed forces as a capable military proxy-for-hire who can effectively help to contain Iran, Afghanistan, India and also guard resources/transportation routes for masters who rent Pakistan.
5) Maybe most important— *undermining the faith of the Indian public in their own government.* Crippling & removing Modi Sarkar is one objective that unites US, Paki, Chinese, global Islamist and Euro-leftist motivations decisively— and there is no better way than by saturating the Indian public discourse with lie after lie which the GOI must then either ignore or defend, to its long term detriment. By continuously renting out its column space (and supposedly objective stance) for stories that repeat Paki claims and question Indian statements, Reuters does its part in an assembly line of political sabotage that includes Paki ISPR, Chinese MSS, Culinary Institute & its allies, and of course the proxies of all these in the Indian media and parliament.

[chetak]

https://youtu.be/si8aYOt35hw?si=aq1nOO6x7OLd87A-

Aadi Achint & Pathikrit Payne do a brief analysis of the Reuters story.

Many objectives:
1) False advertising of worthless Chinese weapons exports
2) To a lesser extent, preserving the reputation of American weapons exports (which Pakistan also uses)
3) Slandering the reputation of French (Rafale) but even more so Russian arms & defence technology... curtailing Russian weapons exports is a key aspect of the economic war against Moscow over Ukraine.
4) Projecting a contrived reputation of Pakistan's armed forces as a capable military proxy-for-hire who can effectively help to contain Iran, Afghanistan, India and also guard resources/transportation routes for masters who rent Pakistan.
5) Maybe most important— *undermining the faith of the Indian public in their own government.* Crippling & removing Modi Sarkar is one objective that unites US, Paki, Chinese, global Islamist and Euro-leftist motivations decisively— and there is no better way than by saturating the Indian public discourse with lie after lie which the GOI must then either ignore or defend, to its long term detriment. By continuously renting out its column space (and supposedly objective stance) for stories that repeat Paki claims and question Indian statements, Reuters does its part in an assembly line of political sabotage that includes Paki ISPR, Chinese MSS, Culinary Institute & its allies, and of course the proxies of all these in the Indian media and parliament.

Rudradev ji,

The number of targets have now increased, notably to also include SJ

Our esteemed Foreign Minister seems to have push many uncomfortable gora buttons during his sojourns abroad, as also with his increasingly laser focussed targeting of the mafiosi inside the Indian parliament

माफीवीर पप्पू has come seriously unhinged, as is evidenced by his increasingly intemperate rantings, including the open lying has he resorted to by delusionally rearranging history and scripting fictional conversations with people like the long departed Arun Jaitley.

Asking a accomplished, erudite, and intellectual personage like Arun Jaitley: "do you know who you are talking to" is the giveaway that should alert his caregivers that a hefty increase in the dosage of his daily meds is urgently indicated.

delusions of grandeur is a treatable condition, with lobotomy being among the very first choices in the preferred line of treatment

[A_Gupta]

Not to trust AI, and certainly must try many different prompts - that said, Google Gemini says the Reuters story is shifting the narrative from deficiencies in the Rafale to lapses in Indian intelligence.

So that would go to projecting Pakistan as competent and undermining the faith of the Indian people in their government.

[Ambar]

https://youtu.be/si8aYOt35hw?si=aq1nOO6x7OLd87A-

Aadi Achint & Pathikrit Payne do a brief analysis of the Reuters story.

Many objectives:
1) False advertising of worthless Chinese weapons exports
2) To a lesser extent, preserving the reputation of American weapons exports (which Pakistan also uses)
3) Slandering the reputation of French (Rafale) but even more so Russian arms & defence technology... curtailing Russian weapons exports is a key aspect of the economic war against Moscow over Ukraine.
4) Projecting a contrived reputation of Pakistan's armed forces as a capable military proxy-for-hire who can effectively help to contain Iran, Afghanistan, India and also guard resources/transportation routes for masters who rent Pakistan.
5) Maybe most important— *undermining the faith of the Indian public in their own government.* Crippling & removing Modi Sarkar is one objective that unites US, Paki, Chinese, global Islamist and Euro-leftist motivations decisively— and there is no better way than by saturating the Indian public discourse with lie after lie which the GOI must then either ignore or defend, to its long term detriment. By continuously renting out its column space (and supposedly objective stance) for stories that repeat Paki claims and question Indian statements, Reuters does its part in an assembly line of political sabotage that includes Paki ISPR, Chinese MSS, Culinary Institute & its allies, and of course the proxies of all these in the Indian media and parliament.

Problem is with (3), Rafale and the French MoD could have come out categorically denied any losses and called this a sophisticated PR to besmirch the reputation of French defense exports, but they decided not to. There was a news item from the Rafale CEO saying there were no operational losses but only for Rafale to issue a public statement the next day saying its CEO made no such comments.

Our military babudom also did us no favors from DGMO to COAS to Defense Attache by engaging with foreign press on their soil and playing their games.

It is interesting how the narrative is manufactured and spread, Pakis within minutes of the start of 'Operation Sindoor' claim there were 5-6 IAF losses, western media runs with the narrative, internet is flooded with fake images, there are regular "wah wah" articles on the sophistication and precision of Chinese weapons. Every month without fail the same news is regurgitated and then picked up by additional sources for dissemination, the recent example being the Reuters article and now being spread across the internet.

There isn't a whole lot we can do, no one is going to watch Sanjay Dixit or Aadi Achint outside of few jingos, Pakis and the Chinese have invested millions of dollars on PR and lobbying that is paying dividends. Either we up our nascent PR game or just ignore and move on.

[bala]

We need to keep highlighting that China maal is complete rubbish / junk heap. Their HQ-9, 16 bad copies of Russian S-300, S-400 were destroyed and ineffective, not in one place Pak but also in Iran. Their Beidou navigation system can be jammed and made useless, a fact that PL-15 were flying in useless trajectories. Many PL-15 were found by India laying on the ground intact, what rubbish are these missiles. Israel completely blinded Iran's china equipment and had total air dominance, bombing any place they needed. India, in operation sindoor, took out Lahore air defence and in a matter of days would have crippled entire Pak air defence.

Most of Chinese weapons are copies and they keep tomtoming all kinds of specs without any verification by outside people. In war time, they simply don't work as advertized. The PLA do not have experience working such maal, a small problem and they don't know how to fix it.

There were previous reports of noisy nuclear subs of China, their aircraft carrier tops were cracking, tanks ill performed in exercises, one wheel fell off, with Russia and more. Many aircrafts have crashed and never reported.

PR notwithstanding, China maal exported to other nations have been a huge disappointment with users refusing to place futher orders.