Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[gakakkad]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

[pravula]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Right on time. As soon as no F35 news begins to get out

[Ambar]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

Authored by Syed Shah and Shivam Patel. Syed Shah is a Paki and Shivam Patel is a freelancer who writes for 'The Hindu', 'The Indian Express' and "Reuters'. Pakis punch well above their weight when it comes to PR, narrative setting and lobbying. The least we can do is take propagandists like Shivam Patel to task but we all know nothing is going to happen to people like him when even bigger offenders like Zubair are roaming free.

[Bharadwaj]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 025-08-02/

The system allowed the J-10s flying closer to India to obtain radar feeds from the surveillance plane cruising further away, meaning the Chinese-made fighters could turn their radars off and fly undetected, according to experts. Pakistan's military did not respond to requests for comment on this point.

The PL-15 that hit the Rafale was fired from around 200km (124.27 mi) away, according to Pakistani officials, and even farther according to Indian officials. That would make it among the longest-range air-to-air strikes recorded.

If indeed the j-10 was not detectable thanks to this super duper data link, how does the Indian official quoted know that the pl-15 was launched farther than 200km? Reuters standards my a**

[sanjayc]

Reuters is building a narrative of Pakistan trumping India in battle, hence proclaiming Paki superiority and down-valuing India. This is nothing but old Western narrative where Pakistan is positioned as equal counterpart to India. They are very carefully focusing on Pakistani claims related to only first day of battle, and never once asked the Paki officials to show any proof of Rafale being downed. They very carefully omitted the fact that Paki DGMO called Indian counterpart next day, after nine Paki airports were bombed, and requested a ceasefire.

[Aditya_V]

The point it is not Paki PR or our failure, it is just reporting what they want to belive. Even they know it is not True, they will write Russia lost 1 million soldiers in 2 months, it is upto the reader to belive

[drnayar]

New article by Reuters claiming Rafael was shot down in operation sindoor. Un-named sources in Pakistan and indian military.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... ium=Social

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

A lie quoted a thousand times appears like the truth. This is the maxim for ads and narratives.

[Anujan]

Guys, I heard that India lost 1 frigate and about 50 aircrafts shot down in the 1971 war.

Was it a total failure of India's planning and tactics? How was Pakistan able to defeat India in 71?

[Bharadwaj]

Dammm .... you almost got me there.

[Rudradev]

I am right now visiting Mumbai, Pakistan. Pak navy & air force liberated it from the Dirty Kafirs of India during the disastrous Op Sindoor.

There is a confluence of interests running these narratives. We know that Reuters, Bloomberg & other such agencies are controlled by Chinese money to a very large extent— while Qatar has invested in an Al Jazeera, China has simply acquired long-established Western brands in the "news" agency space.

Pakistanis are involved (if at all) on the foot-soldier level: the gadhaa-mazdoori reporters who write the copy and put their names on the byline.

"Indians" (with BA's and PG diplomas in "journalism") are involved because the media sepoy career path is very well laid out for them. It is a coveted career path among their kind (what other avenues exist for them to make similar money, after all?) The one thing they have to offer is an Indian/Hindu sounding name that provides a mask of authenticity, native-informant fluency, and neutrality to articles bearing it. They write what is expected so that more money, and eventually more status, will be conferred on them to write even more of what is expected in future.

I think that even though it galls us (especially true of us BRF types who spend a lot of time scouring the web for information online)— it actually matters very little in the power centers of the real world. And as the credibility of mainstream "news" outlets continues to decline, it will only matter less.

[Anujan]

Very curious why Reuters regurgitates the same article 5-6 times without any new info . Basically every , 2 weeks the exact same crap is republished . Is it done to make sure that the language models are trained as they want them to or is it done for some other reason ..

I am sure that Op Sindoor being debated in the Monsoon session of the parliament right as we speak is complete coincidence onlee and the article timing was pure chance onlee.

https://www.news18.com/politics/parliam ... 72201.html

[bala]

Somebody (hunt0810) created this YT, recreating Op Sindoor with some great visuals.

Operation Sindoor - The Action Cut | EXCLUSIVE Bahawalpur to Kirana Hills Pounded Flat

Operation Sindoor – the most decisive and precise Indian military operation in recent years. Launched in retaliation to the Pahalgam tourist attack, the Indian Air Force executed coordinated deep-strike missions on strategic enemy infrastructure across Pak-occupied territory.

High-value locations hit:

Targets Hit:
* Nur Khan Airbase
* Bholari Base
* Rahim Yar Khan Depot
* Kirana Hills Ammunition Site
* Bahawalpur HQ of hostile elements

The mission was conducted with zero Indian casualties, crippling logistics and runway capability of enemy airbases in under 24 minutes. Rafale fighters along with Su30 MKI leading the charge, supported by the S-400 air defence shield and precision-guided SCALP & AASM munitions, and Brahmos systems, the operation disrupted multiple command centers and forward airbases used for coordination. India obliterated key operational hubs of proscribed organizations under UN Sanctions List and Infrastructure disabled, leadership compounds neutralized, radar assets blinded.

Video contains real-time combat visuals captured during the strike timeline.

[Rudradev]

https://youtu.be/si8aYOt35hw?si=aq1nOO6x7OLd87A-

Aadi Achint & Pathikrit Payne do a brief analysis of the Reuters story.

Many objectives:
1) False advertising of worthless Chinese weapons exports
2) To a lesser extent, preserving the reputation of American weapons exports (which Pakistan also uses)
3) Slandering the reputation of French (Rafale) but even more so Russian arms & defence technology... curtailing Russian weapons exports is a key aspect of the economic war against Moscow over Ukraine.
4) Projecting a contrived reputation of Pakistan's armed forces as a capable military proxy-for-hire who can effectively help to contain Iran, Afghanistan, India and also guard resources/transportation routes for masters who rent Pakistan.
5) Maybe most important— *undermining the faith of the Indian public in their own government.* Crippling & removing Modi Sarkar is one objective that unites US, Paki, Chinese, global Islamist and Euro-leftist motivations decisively— and there is no better way than by saturating the Indian public discourse with lie after lie which the GOI must then either ignore or defend, to its long term detriment. By continuously renting out its column space (and supposedly objective stance) for stories that repeat Paki claims and question Indian statements, Reuters does its part in an assembly line of political sabotage that includes Paki ISPR, Chinese MSS, Culinary Institute & its allies, and of course the proxies of all these in the Indian media and parliament.

[chetak]

https://youtu.be/si8aYOt35hw?si=aq1nOO6x7OLd87A-

Aadi Achint & Pathikrit Payne do a brief analysis of the Reuters story.

Many objectives:
1) False advertising of worthless Chinese weapons exports
2) To a lesser extent, preserving the reputation of American weapons exports (which Pakistan also uses)
3) Slandering the reputation of French (Rafale) but even more so Russian arms & defence technology... curtailing Russian weapons exports is a key aspect of the economic war against Moscow over Ukraine.
4) Projecting a contrived reputation of Pakistan's armed forces as a capable military proxy-for-hire who can effectively help to contain Iran, Afghanistan, India and also guard resources/transportation routes for masters who rent Pakistan.
5) Maybe most important— *undermining the faith of the Indian public in their own government.* Crippling & removing Modi Sarkar is one objective that unites US, Paki, Chinese, global Islamist and Euro-leftist motivations decisively— and there is no better way than by saturating the Indian public discourse with lie after lie which the GOI must then either ignore or defend, to its long term detriment. By continuously renting out its column space (and supposedly objective stance) for stories that repeat Paki claims and question Indian statements, Reuters does its part in an assembly line of political sabotage that includes Paki ISPR, Chinese MSS, Culinary Institute & its allies, and of course the proxies of all these in the Indian media and parliament.

Rudradev ji,

The number of targets have now increased, notably to also include SJ

Our esteemed Foreign Minister seems to have push many uncomfortable gora buttons during his sojourns abroad, as also with his increasingly laser focussed targeting of the mafiosi inside the Indian parliament

माफीवीर पप्पू has come seriously unhinged, as is evidenced by his increasingly intemperate rantings, including the open lying has he resorted to by delusionally rearranging history and scripting fictional conversations with people like the long departed Arun Jaitley.

Asking a accomplished, erudite, and intellectual personage like Arun Jaitley: "do you know who you are talking to" is the giveaway that should alert his caregivers that a hefty increase in the dosage of his daily meds is urgently indicated.

delusions of grandeur is a treatable condition, with lobotomy being among the very first choices in the preferred line of treatment

[A_Gupta]

Not to trust AI, and certainly must try many different prompts - that said, Google Gemini says the Reuters story is shifting the narrative from deficiencies in the Rafale to lapses in Indian intelligence.

So that would go to projecting Pakistan as competent and undermining the faith of the Indian people in their government.

[Ambar]

https://youtu.be/si8aYOt35hw?si=aq1nOO6x7OLd87A-

Aadi Achint & Pathikrit Payne do a brief analysis of the Reuters story.

Many objectives:
1) False advertising of worthless Chinese weapons exports
2) To a lesser extent, preserving the reputation of American weapons exports (which Pakistan also uses)
3) Slandering the reputation of French (Rafale) but even more so Russian arms & defence technology... curtailing Russian weapons exports is a key aspect of the economic war against Moscow over Ukraine.
4) Projecting a contrived reputation of Pakistan's armed forces as a capable military proxy-for-hire who can effectively help to contain Iran, Afghanistan, India and also guard resources/transportation routes for masters who rent Pakistan.
5) Maybe most important— *undermining the faith of the Indian public in their own government.* Crippling & removing Modi Sarkar is one objective that unites US, Paki, Chinese, global Islamist and Euro-leftist motivations decisively— and there is no better way than by saturating the Indian public discourse with lie after lie which the GOI must then either ignore or defend, to its long term detriment. By continuously renting out its column space (and supposedly objective stance) for stories that repeat Paki claims and question Indian statements, Reuters does its part in an assembly line of political sabotage that includes Paki ISPR, Chinese MSS, Culinary Institute & its allies, and of course the proxies of all these in the Indian media and parliament.

Problem is with (3), Rafale and the French MoD could have come out categorically denied any losses and called this a sophisticated PR to besmirch the reputation of French defense exports, but they decided not to. There was a news item from the Rafale CEO saying there were no operational losses but only for Rafale to issue a public statement the next day saying its CEO made no such comments.

Our military babudom also did us no favors from DGMO to COAS to Defense Attache by engaging with foreign press on their soil and playing their games.

It is interesting how the narrative is manufactured and spread, Pakis within minutes of the start of 'Operation Sindoor' claim there were 5-6 IAF losses, western media runs with the narrative, internet is flooded with fake images, there are regular "wah wah" articles on the sophistication and precision of Chinese weapons. Every month without fail the same news is regurgitated and then picked up by additional sources for dissemination, the recent example being the Reuters article and now being spread across the internet.

There isn't a whole lot we can do, no one is going to watch Sanjay Dixit or Aadi Achint outside of few jingos, Pakis and the Chinese have invested millions of dollars on PR and lobbying that is paying dividends. Either we up our nascent PR game or just ignore and move on.

[bala]

We need to keep highlighting that China maal is complete rubbish / junk heap. Their HQ-9, 16 bad copies of Russian S-300, S-400 were destroyed and ineffective, not in one place Pak but also in Iran. Their Beidou navigation system can be jammed and made useless, a fact that PL-15 were flying in useless trajectories. Many PL-15 were found by India laying on the ground intact, what rubbish are these missiles. Israel completely blinded Iran's china equipment and had total air dominance, bombing any place they needed. India, in operation sindoor, took out Lahore air defence and in a matter of days would have crippled entire Pak air defence.

Most of Chinese weapons are copies and they keep tomtoming all kinds of specs without any verification by outside people. In war time, they simply don't work as advertized. The PLA do not have experience working such maal, a small problem and they don't know how to fix it.

There were previous reports of noisy nuclear subs of China, their aircraft carrier tops were cracking, tanks ill performed in exercises, one wheel fell off, with Russia and more. Many aircrafts have crashed and never reported.

PR notwithstanding, China maal exported to other nations have been a huge disappointment with users refusing to place futher orders.

[chetak]

Now, connect dots. This is why @RahulGandhi was repeatedly wanting to know who many aircraft we lost during #OperationSindoor.

He was working in cahoots with the Chinese to undermine the Indian Armed Forces.

[Amber G.]

Guys, I heard that India lost 1 frigate and about 50 aircrafts shot down in the 1971 war.

Was it a total failure of India's planning and tactics? How was Pakistan able to defeat India in 71?

Yes, it was a massive failure for India. So bad that India had to house, feed, and provide chai to 93,000 Pakistani POWs out of sheer guilt. Truly embarrassing. Imagine winning so hard you get burdened with a small city's worth of prisoners. Tragic.

And about that frigate and aircraft count — India definitely lost... some mosquitoes to radar interference and I know one pilot lost his patience circling over Dhaka waiting for the surrender. Devastating, really.

Pakistan totally 'won' — just not on land, sea, air, or geopolitics.

[bala]

YT is with Jeff Rich an Australian historian and Lt. Gen P R Shankar (retd). This video is more an explanation to the rest of the world of what happened in Operation Sindoor. There is a ppt presentation that Lt. Gen P R Shankar walks the audience.

A DISCUSSION ON OP SINDOOR / JEFF RICH / LT GEN P R SHANKAR

A refresher course of what happened in Operation Sindoor with a clip of Ajit Doval NSA at IIT-M convocation ceremony. NSA has an open challenge to show any video (considering so many satellites snooping the earth at all times) that shows any damage to India, even a glass pane break on the soil of India due to Operation Sindoor. Good luck Reuters, NYT, AP, WaPo, Al Jazera, etc.

[Bharadwaj]

IAF CHIEF gives the full story of sIndoor.https://www.youtube.com/live/OCGwsE_kCms. 6 PAKI AIRCRAFT SHOT DOWN by s400. 5 fighters and 1 awacs/elint. Forces decided all the ROEs. Many more aircraft destroyed in hangars by strikes. IAF chief also heaped praise on HAL. Watch the speech if you can. Amazing. Jai IAF Jai jawan.This a royal destruction of an enemy and no propaganda can counter this.

[Prem Kumar]

Additionally...

1) F-16s destroyed in hangars. He says we hit them hard because they were taking off to bomb us
2) 1 more AWACS destroyed in hangar
3_ 6 radars taken out - some big, some small
4) C&C centers taken out

[wig]

Secret to Pakistan aircraft losses in Op Sindoor could lie in Martin-Baker’s ejection seats records
https://theprint.in/india/the-secret-to ... s/2717771/
09 August 2025

But this updated figure does not account for 7,785 and 7,786. So, details of at least one crash if not two were missing between 16 April and 7 May involving two pilots.

The next update from Martin-Baker came on 31 July, announcing the saving of 7,793 lives in total.

“Yesterday, an A-29A Super Tucano was involved in a midair collision over Porto Ferreira. The pilot successfully ejected using the Martin-Baker BR10LCX Ejection Seat,” the post read.

The only crash the IAF has had after 7 May was a Jaguar on a training sortie, when both pilots unfortunately could not eject and died.

The answer to the puzzle of the missing details surrounding the three lives (7,790, 7791, 7792) saved by Martin Baker ejection seats could be in what IAF chief Air Chief Marshal A.P. Siingh said Saturday.

He said that India’s S-400 Triumf air defence system had shot down Pakistan’s 5 fighter aircraft.

The Pakistani fighter jets using Martin-Baker seats in the 88-hour conflict were the JF-17 and F-16s. The J-10s use Chinese-made ejection seats.

A correlation between Martin-Baker’s posts and what the IAF chief said indicates that at least three Pakistani pilots managed to eject despite their aircraft being shot down, indicating confirmation of the IAF chief’s statement.

[skumar]

ACM AP Singh's Full Speech On The Intricacies Of Operation Sindoor

ACM AP Singh is a true leader, a gentleman and a great character. This talk brings about lessons on leadership. We are fortunate.

The full speech of Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh on the intricacies of Operation Sindoor, delivered at the 16th Air Chief Marshal LM Katre Memorial Lecture in Bengaluru on 09th August. The Chief of Air Staff provides an authoritative and detailed account of India’s strategic military operation, highlighting the decisive success achieved over a short span of 80 to 90 hours in 2025. Operation Sindoor marked a pivotal moment where the Indian Air Force, leveraging cutting-edge technology including the advanced S-400 missile defense system, effectively neutralized six Pakistani aircraft — five fighter jets and one Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) aircraft — deep within Pakistani territory. Singh emphasizes the precision, professionalism, and minimal collateral damage in the strikes, showcased through satellite imagery and intelligence inputs that revealed significant damage to key terrorist infrastructure without impacting civilian areas.

Marshal Singh also reflects on the critical role of robust political will and seamless joint force coordination that allowed complete operational freedom without restrictions. He credits a well-calibrated, high-tech approach and synchronized efforts by the Air Force, Army, and Navy under the aegis of the Chief of Defence Staff and National Security Advisor for the swift and impactful execution. Unlike previous operations where verification was difficult, Operation Sindoor’s success was unequivocally documented and communicated, dispelling doubts and reinforcing India’s aerial dominance and strategic resolve in the region.

Key takeaways mentioned by ACM AP Singh -

• primacy of air power accepted by everyone
• conflict termination is important after objectives are achieved
• drones come into forefront but will not win wars, we will require bigger weapons
• indiginization of capability

[eklavya]

HT:
‘Good decision’: Air chief backs govt's move to pause Operation Sindoor

"We have at least five confirmed kills and one large aircraft, which could be either an ELINT aircraft or an AEW &C aircraft, which was taken at a distance of about 300 kilometres. This is actually the largest ever recorded surface-to-air kill that we can talk about," Air Chief Marshal AP Singh said.

Listing other damages on Pakistan's defence capabilities, the Air Chief said, "We were able to get at least two command and control centres, like Murid and Chaklala. At least six radars, some of them big, some of them small. Two SAGW systems that is in Lahore and Okara. We attacked three hangars. One was the Sukkur UAV hangar, the Bholari hangar and the Jacobabad F-16 hangar. We have an indication of at least one AEW&C in that AEW&C hangar and a few F-16s, which were under maintenance there."

[eklavya]

India Today:
6 Pak jets shot down in Operation Sindoor: Air Force chief's big reveal

The Air Chief Marshal also confirmed severe damage to air bases in Pakistan, including the Jacobabad airfield that housed F-16 jets.

"At Jacobabad airfield, there's an F-16 hangar. One half of the hangar is gone. I am sure there were some aircraft inside which got damaged. We were able to get at least two command and control centres, like Murid and Chaklala. At least six radars... We have an indication of at least one AEW&C and a few F-16s, which were under maintenance, suffered damage," he further said.

The IAF chief credited the Russian-made S-400 Triumf air defence system for engaging targets far inside enemy airspace, calling it a "game changer".

"The S-400 system, which we recently bought, has been a game-changer. The range of that system has really kept their aircraft away from their weapons, like those long-range glide bombs that they have. They have not been able to use any one of those because they have not been able to penetrate the system," he further said.

[Cain Marko]

I just wish he had put out some radar tracks like they did for balakot. Just a minor wish...

[bala]

IAF Releases New Satellite Image showcasing Destruction of Pakistani Radar at Chunian in Operation Sindoor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gx9kej1WsAA ... name=small

This IDRW, so take it with a pinch of salt.

Historic S-400 Kill: IAF Confirms Saab 2000 AWACS Shot Down in Dinga, Marking Longest BVR Engagement

https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1954170598646567388

[Hriday]

https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/19542 ... 3jg4Q&s=19

Gujranwala, 300 kms inside Pakistan

S-400 in action & PAF AWACS possibly shot down here. Locals call it drone but the explosion sound proves its MORE THAN JUST A DRONE

Sorry if it is discussed earlier, video in the above link is said to be of S-400 missile. For such long range it is impossible for rocket motor to burn continuously, such long range missiles dive towards the target from high altitude using gravity for speed. Can anyone explain it?

[vera_k]

S-400 is just the cover for unannounced Indian weapon system that was used here. We'll find out in time.
Pakistan operates the Chinese made equivalent of the S-300, and that had no to minimal effect defending.

[NRao]

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[Ashokk]

OP Sindoor | War Expert On India's Air Dominance: Tom Cooper On How IAF Shattered PAF

The Indian Air Force chief has gone on the record to say that the Indian Air Force managed to knock down six Pakistan Air Force aircraft, including one possible airborne early warning and control aircraft, as well as an unspecified number of F-16 fighters possibly on the ground in addition to another large aircraft, possibly an electronic intelligence aircraft. It's the first time that the Indian military has gone on record and put numbers to its skills in the Pakistan Air Force. watch this NDTV Exclusive with Tom Cooper, aerial warfare analyst and historian.

Tom Cooper says that the Pak AWACS was taken down by positioning a S-400 unit on top of a hill close to the border and firing four missiles in ballistic trajectory for maximum range.

[VinodTK]

"Asim Munir Is Osama Bin Laden In A Suit...: Ex-Pentagon Official Condemns Pakistan's Nuke Threat

[chetak]

[Rakesh]

'Ask Pakistan': US Refuses To Answer If Pak Lost F-16s During Op Sindoor
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ask-pak ... or-9076339
13 August 2025

The United States keeps full knowledge of the status of Pakistan-operated F-16s through US contractors known as Technical Support Teams.

[Aditya_V]

This image is circulating on Twitter, any truth to This

https://x.com/Platypuss_10/status/1955629484734111844

[Vayutuvan]

@Aditya_V ji,
https://x.com/grok/status/1955673101750177900

Grok
@grok 2h
This image shows a kill marking—a symbol painted on a fighter jet to denote an enemy aircraft it downed. However, it's misattributed: it's actually a French Mirage 2000 marking a 1991 Gulf War victory over an Iraqi Mirage F1, not a Pakistani J-10C vs. Indian Su-30MKI.

Recent reports (e.g., Reuters, Aug 2025) detail disputed Pakistan claims of downing Indian jets like Rafales and Su-30MKIs in May 2025 skirmishes, with J-10Cs displaying such marks as propaganda. India denies losses.

[gakakkad]

The kill mark shows a canard . Mirage F1 didn't have canard

[Vayutuvan]

The kill mark shows a canard . Mirage F1 didn't have canard

Hakim ji, then that is problem, ain't it? Did our ACM lie or the marking is a lie?

[hanumadu]

The kill mark shows a canard . Mirage F1 didn't have canard

Hakim ji, then that is problem, ain't it? Did our ACM lie or the marking is a lie?

No, that is not a problem. Grok is claiming that the picture is of a kill mark on a french Mirage 2000 after it downed a Iraqi Mirage F1. Hakim ji is pointing out that the kill mark could not be a Mirage F1 because it does not have canards and grok is wrong. The J10-C does have canards.