India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Vayutuvan]

Billy boy clinton stole all charity money towards Guatamala.

You mean Haiti, right?

[Rudradev]

2026, I meant. Mid terms.

[bala]

Billy boy clinton stole all charity money towards Guatamala.

You mean Haiti, right?

Oops yes, can't keep track of such nations in south america.

BTW you are right about Cheen infiltration into Kalif state. The entire tech crowd is beholden to them, thambi Sundar of Google is executing some secretive program for the Cheens. Most of the maal in electronics have a tag of Made in China. In Meta land Zucks has a chinese wife and can speak chinese. All the VCs in menlo park are somehow connected to cheen money. Most high end homes are snapped up by ex residents of China and their kids are in premium schooling throughout. Ports and warehouses in Kalif are filled with goods from China direct.

[A_Gupta]

So Pakistan has a national cryptocurrency industry (which is apparently used to launder Trump's money, among other things).

Where is the hardware infrastructure (servers, etc) that supports this crypto industry located?

Any reason it can't be visited by the sort of ordinance that "hit, but did not target" Kirana Hills?

Does Pakistan have a cryptocurrency industry? I remember something in Dawn that appeared soon after the Paki crypto deal with Trump - that crypto remains illegal for Pakis.

This is from May 30:

ISLAMABAD: Amid growing official promotion of Bitcoin adoption, both the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) and the Ministry of Finance (MoF) on Thursday said that cryptocurrency remains banned in the country and all its transactions are illegal under current regulations.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1914192

[gakakkad]

https://www.ft.com/content/38314737-bc6 ... e779b6fd86

In addition to above there is also some shady porki-iranian dude involved with trump . Besides a whole bunch of Chinese

[Manish_P]

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Does Pakistan have a cryptocurrency industry? I remember something in Dawn that appeared soon after the Paki crypto deal with Trump - that crypto remains illegal for Pakis.
...

After increasing of FATF scrutiny the Pakis have been forced to increasingly turn to crypto.

[A_Gupta]

Looking for Pak crypto + FATF led to this:
https://www.cryptopolitan.com/pakistan- ... to-sector/

- Pakistan has launched the Pakistan Virtual Assets Regulatory Authority (PVARA) to license and oversee crypto service providers.
- The Pakistan crypto market has over 40 million users and $300B in annual trading volume.
- The government also allocated 2,000 megawatts of electricity for Bitcoin mining and plans to establish a strategic Bitcoin reserve.
....

PVARA will function as an independent regulatory body tasked with licensing, supervising, and monitoring Virtual Asset Service Providers (VASPs) across Pakistan. Ensuring compliance with anti-money laundering (AML) laws, managing cybersecurity risks, and safeguarding users participating in crypto-related transactions also fall under the regulatory body’s purview.

The establishment of PVARA brings Pakistan a step closer to aligning its regulatory environment with international frameworks, particularly those outlined by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

[gakakkad]

Did you see the dog and pony show of Azerbaijan/Armenia ?

Man are we living in the simpsons universe?

[a_bharat]

It is high time that India 1. converts all its FCA held in western currencies to gold as quickly as possible, and 2. impose a retaliatory 50% tax on revenues (yes, I mean gross revenues, not profits) US big-tech generate in India. In response, if the US social media withdraw their services in India, it would be even better. All the social media platforms can be replaced by desi ones. Koo was a pretty good alternative to twitter/X, but failed because it could not pull people away from twitter as twitter remained the primary platform and they had their followers there. If twitter quits India, then only can Indian equivalent succeed. Same goes for other platforms. In addition, each social media account should be aadhar-linked (not displayed, but kept in database).

[A_Gupta]

Did you see the dog and pony show of Azerbaijan/Armenia ?

Man are we living in the simpsons universe?

South Park.

[Bharadwaj]

https://x.com/sidhant/status/1953791206388830469

Reuters already lost its credibility with operation Sindhoor ., its agenda based narratives run by pakis

They came up with the fake story about the rafale and repeated it last week as well.

[m_saini]

It is high time that India 1. converts all its FCA held in western currencies to gold as quickly as possible, and 2. impose a retaliatory 50% tax on revenues (yes, I mean gross revenues, not profits) US big-tech generate in India. In response, if the US social media withdraw their services in India, it would be even better. All the social media platforms can be replaced by desi ones. Koo was a pretty good alternative to twitter/X, but failed because it could not pull people away from twitter as twitter remained the primary platform and they had their followers there. If twitter quits India, then only can Indian equivalent succeed. Same goes for other platforms. In addition, each social media account should be aadhar-linked (not displayed, but kept in database).

+100
Imo Twitter should've been banned when iirc they were banning Indian military handles way back when.
Fb, insta, whatsapp, reddit all need to be handled like tiktok.

[ricky_v]

https://archive.is/3zrp3

As the US president repeatedly spoke about how he prevented a nuclear war, Indian diplomats started to push back publicly against his version of events. The tensions came to a head in a June 17 phone call with Narendra Modi, which was held after Trump left the Group of Seven summit in Canada early and couldn’t meet the Indian leader in person.
In the 35-minute conversation, Modi told Trump that the two nations directly discussed a ceasefire upon Pakistan’s request following a bombardment by India. Modi said India “does not and will never accept mediation,” according to an Indian readout, adding that Trump “listened carefully.”

While India had no problem if Trump met Pakistan’s civilian leaders, hosting Munir was seen as giving legitimacy to a military that Modi’s government accuses of supporting militant groups, they said. Wary that Trump would look to orchestrate a meeting between Munir and Modi, the Indian leader turned down an invitation to stop by the White House on the way back from Canada, they said, adding that he was also committed to visiting Croatia.

Although the US never made a direct request for Modi to acknowledge Trump’s role in the ceasefire, India saw a shift in tone from the White House after that phone call, according to the officials in New Delhi. Once Trump began publicly attacking India, they added, it was clear the episode marked a turning point in the broader relationship.

One Indian official, who asked not to be identified, cited several missteps along the way. Negotiators underestimated the power of the farm lobby, Midwestern senators and dairy cooperatives, the official said, while also failing to prepare a fallback option that could produce a quick win if Trump escalated.

[drnayar]

One option is for Bharat to step back but not disengage in its dealings with US .. let it play out. But the risk being pakis will take this chance and run with it. We need other actors in this game. I dont think Israelis want the pakis to call any shot in the emerging deep state in US

[drnayar]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/jPc960Kb/1754712162171564.png[/img

https://archive.is/3zrp3

As the US president repeatedly spoke about how he prevented a nuclear war, Indian diplomats started to push back publicly against his version of events. The tensions came to a head in a June 17 phone call with Narendra Modi, which was held after Trump left the Group of Seven summit in Canada early and couldn’t meet the Indian leader in person.
In the 35-minute conversation, Modi told Trump that the two nations directly discussed a ceasefire upon Pakistan’s request following a bombardment by India. Modi said India “does not and will never accept mediation,” according to an Indian readout, adding that Trump “listened carefully.”

While India had no problem if Trump met Pakistan’s civilian leaders, hosting Munir was seen as giving legitimacy to a military that Modi’s government accuses of supporting militant groups, they said. Wary that Trump would look to orchestrate a meeting between Munir and Modi, the Indian leader turned down an invitation to stop by the White House on the way back from Canada, they said, adding that he was also committed to visiting Croatia.

Although the US never made a direct request for Modi to acknowledge Trump’s role in the ceasefire, India saw a shift in tone from the White House after that phone call, according to the officials in New Delhi. Once Trump began publicly attacking India, they added, it was clear the episode marked a turning point in the broader relationship.

One Indian official, who asked not to be identified, cited several missteps along the way. Negotiators underestimated the power of the farm lobby, Midwestern senators and dairy cooperatives, the official said, while also failing to prepare a fallback option that could produce a quick win if Trump escalated.

This is taking things at face value.

Not true

The emergence of a new Trump policy came much before , the pakis already had a good handle in the new administration ..EVEN BEFORE trump took office.

All this has is bound to happen.

Where do you think Munir found new found confidence to go through with the pahalgam terrorist attack . He knew for certain US would back him.

[ricky_v]

This is taking things at face value.

Not true

The emergence of a new Trump policy came much before , the pakis already had a good handle in the new administration ..EVEN BEFORE trump took office.

All this has is bound to happen.

Where do you think Munir found new found confidence to go through with the pahalgam terrorist attack . He knew for certain US would back him.

not disagreeing with you but without the presence of any evidence, the above is conjecture, till even a couple of weeks back, when trump was not so irate, there was a consensus that the attacks had taken place with the blessings of the chinese, realities of situations cannot morph to suit who india is besties with at any given moment

tomorrow the consensus will be: or it was all 3, the us, paki and chinese who were in it together all for their own reasonings? maybe they were really irate with all the tourism in pahalgam?

more likely the simplest answer is correct: pakis did the attack, wanted to inflame religious riots in india never imagining that india would respond so strongly, iwt in abeyance, open attacks on paki mil assets

chinese had buy in because of their arms being used by pakis, the us came in either due to some events related to nuclear capabilities or pakis dialing emergency or buying trump outright with crypto or a mixture of all 3

its not that the us establishment is not a nest of vipers looking to colour revolution every zilla on this planet, but the question would be what differentiates pulwama from the usual paki-backed hits and why should only this be considered backed by the us establishment

[drnayar]

This is taking things at face value.

Not true

The emergence of a new Trump policy came much before , the pakis already had a good handle in the new administration ..EVEN BEFORE trump took office.

All this has is bound to happen.

Where do you think Munir found new found confidence to go through with the pahalgam terrorist attack . He knew for certain US would back him.

not disagreeing with you but without the presence of any evidence, the above is conjecture, till even a couple of weeks back, when trump was not so irate, there was a consensus that the attacks had taken place with the blessings of the chinese, realities of situations cannot morph to suit who india is besties with at any given moment

tomorrow the consensus will be: or it was all 3, the us, paki and chinese who were in it together all for their own reasonings? maybe they were really irate with all the tourism in pahalgam?

more likely the simplest answer is correct: pakis did the attack, wanted to inflame religious riots in india never imagining that india would respond so strongly, iwt in abeyance, open attacks on paki mil assets

chinese had buy in because of their arms being used by pakis, the us came in either due to some events related to nuclear capabilities or pakis dialing emergency or buying trump outright with crypto or a mixture of all 3

its not that the us establishment is not a nest of vipers looking to colour revolution every zilla on this planet, but the question would be what differentiates pulwama from the usual paki-backed hits and why should only this be considered backed by the us establishment

https://x.com/peacemaket71/status/1953913324498039018

Dmitry Medvedev:

"It is impossible to have good relations with the USA, in the coming years or decades, after what happened. And we basically don't care who is at the head of the US government. Of course, they have some personal characters, when I look at the current president and the previous one, I don't know about you, but when I watch them, I always feel like reading comics, in the sense that these are characters who are the source of memes, who create an endless number of jokes and other things that the Internet is full of.

[V_Raman]

USA has embarked on a dangerous regime change operation in India with these tariffs

[drnayar]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_f6Vbq1f ... ture=share

It used to be not a Mickey Mouse country, my country.
But this is Mickey Mouse. This is not.
And I'm sorry, I apologize to Mickey Mouse. He would not do this. Mickey Mouse is smarter than this. The president of the United States literally used the language I'm about to use. I'm quoting him because otherwise I would never say this. He said, "60 countries are coming to kiss my ass." He said that in a public speech. the president of the United States.
So, this is I'm sorry. I apologize, but it's presidential language. And it's a more fundamental point, ladies and gentlemen. The United States is a rogue nation right now.


MAGA = Make America Garbage Again

[Rudradev]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/jPc960Kb/1754712162171564.png[/img

https://archive.is/3zrp3

This is taking things at face value.

Not true

The emergence of a new Trump policy came much before , the pakis already had a good handle in the new administration ..EVEN BEFORE trump took office.

All this has is bound to happen.

Where do you think Munir found new found confidence to go through with the pahalgam terrorist attack . He knew for certain US would back him.

I'm inclined to agree with drnayar ji. The Pakis did nothing for 5 years after Pulwama because they feared another Balakot in retaliation.

They were emboldened to try another terrorist provocation this year only because they were confident of having infiltrated the Trump organization, and hence the US government, via the crypto nexus they had been part of setting up even before Trump came into office a second time.

Munir gave the orders for Pahalgam to go ahead, feeling confident of an ultimately positive outcome. He calculated that the retaliation would be on a Balakot scale (which they could "manage" with the same tactics of social-media obfuscation, claiming that only trees were bombed, pretending to have downed IAF planes etc). After a few days of this Trump would come in with widely publicized offers of mediation. Internationalization of Kore Issue achieved, India-Pak Rehyphenation achieved.

Problem was that India didn't restrict itself to a Balakot scale response. In fact, India even stepped on the nooklear tail of Unkil himself with strikes on those mysterious Kirana Hills & Nur Khan facilities that 'weren't supposed to be there at all'.

So unlike post-Balakot, Pakis had to beg outright for a ceasefire before they were granted one. However, the absolute immediacy with which Trump barelled in after the ceasefire announcement to take credit is a dead giveaway that he was primed to do so from beforehand— via the Trump family- Pakistan crypto nexus.

It was completely "out of left field" , as the Americans say, from the POV of the State Dept & DOD who had been managing the diplomacy around Op Sindoor until then. I don't believe they had anticipated or planned for it any more than India had. Of course, once it happened, the entire administration has been going along in damage control mode, trying to retroactively construct ("retcon") a policy rationale in the wake Trump's actions and use it as a basis for going forward. When Trump takes a s**t in public, it becomes the job of his whole administration to drop their pants and squat in loyal harmony with him.

Whatever has happened since then has been led by a Pakistan owned-and-operated Trump. We have been keen to explain it as solely a "Nobel Peace Prize" pipe dream. That may be part of what he wants, sure, but likely there is a lot more at stake than that for him and his family.

Meanwhile, the Bloomberg story (quoting an "Unnamed Indian Official" of course— maybe the same Shri Unnamed who conveniently provides "information" to Reuters about the Rafales India lost?) is part of the public face of the "retconning". Let's all agree to say that it was because of Modi's militant nationalism that India conducted Op Sindoor, that the operation was a failure or at best a costly stalemate for India, and thereafter it was because of Modi's tyrannical ego that India rebuffed Trump's claim of mediation.

Thus the entire story of Pahalgam-Sindoor-Tariffs is "retconned" to be the monstrous Modi's fault.

You think that mainstream media and the expected political actors in India won't pick up such a story and run with it... even to the point of citing the Pakistan-owned Trump as a paragon of truth telling?

They already have.

[ricky_v]

some extra ordinary accusations are being levied in this thread, hey man, i am as anti-fdf as most, but i also believe that such level of accusations should flow from some much more concrete evidences than feels and vibes; why only start with pulwama 25 as us backed, why not pulwama 19 that led to balakot, that was surely more provocative directly targeting the armed forces instead of the (mostly) civvies this go, that also had trump at the helm? why not the countless before? or was this yet another unilateral ploy by the pakis, i dont see the goi publicly naming and shaming any third party for terror attacks (barring the chinese who shelter these terrorists at multilateral meets)

please also note that the goi has stated clearly that the next terror act will count as an act of war, will you also suggest to include the us in this wider gambit? seeing as they are fingered as the progenitors of such in the above posts

[Rudradev]

Let me be very clear.

I am not saying that the US initiated and backed the Pahalgam attack as part of some labyrinthine deep state conspiracy to start an India Pakistan war.

I am saying that Pakistan army/ISI planned and executed it themselves this April because they calculated the risk of an Indian retaliation was worth the expected benefit.

The expected benefit was that, having become essential to Trump's crypto-based venture at sometime during the period of 2021—24 , Pakistan could count on Trump to step in in such a way that (1) Kashmir issue becomes "internationalized" again, with talk of international mediation back on the table (2) India becomes rehyphenated with Pakistan in global perception, something it had largely left behind in recent years.

Pakistan conducted the Pahalgam attack. India retaliated with Op Sindoor. And Trump responded as he was induced to do.

[chetak]

USA has embarked on a dangerous regime change operation in India with these tariffs

V_Raman ji,


It was never about russki oil, it was always about russki weapons that India has had access to.

The goras were surprised at the results of Ops Sindoor.

The goras simply cannot / will not allow a non gora country to arm itself with such a high level of offensive and defensive systems that integrated russki systems with systems developed in India. Makes the process of regime change a bit tricky, especially when the Armed forces will never cooperate with such attempts, like it happens and has happened with the paki and beedi forces

pahalgam itself may have been an attempt at regime change, the way the papoose gang were pushing their narrative

So they need a street style intifada, supported by the papoose / BIF to precipitate a civil war like situation. This trial run has already been carried out during the farmers agitation and the dilli riots

BTW, the IAF chief has said that the S-400 system took out 5 paki aircraft and trumpwa was playing dirty by not saying whose aircraft were shot down, letting the paki awam and their cheerleaders in India, the indi gang, and the BIF, to push their agenda that Ops Sindoor was a failure


IAF's S-400 shot down 5 Pakistani fighter jets during Operation Sindoor: Air chief marshal AP Singh



https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 09442.html

During an address in Bengaluru, the Air Chief Marshal said that the jets were shot down by the S-400 air defence systems. Apart from the five jets, one large Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) or early warning aircraft was also destroyed, he said.

“We have at least five fighters confirmed kills and one large aircraft, which could be either an ELINT aircraft or an AEW &C aircraft, which was taken on at a distance of about 300 kilometres,” the Air Chief Marshal said, calling the downing of the aircraft the largest ever recorded surface-to-air kill. He also said that one half of the F-16 hangar at the Shahbaz Jacobabad airfield in Pakistan was “gone” and some aircraft inside were possibly damaged.