Terroristan - March 31, 2022

[VinodTK]

"Asim Munir Is Osama Bin Laden In A Suit...: Ex-Pentagon Official Condemns Pakistan's Nuke Threat

[SRajesh]

Sridharji
Is it just rhetoric and bluster in some of the Paki Anal Cyst papers or is there truth to them certain missiles in the Jihadi naval force being operationalised??

[gakakkad]

they have 5 ancient small disel submarines they have been trying to retrofit with AIP for a while. it appears that even they aren't operational perrenially. they have <10 frigates and corvettes with very poor maintenance . When i said they can pose challenge to houthis or somali pirates on a good day , i forgot to add the caveat that someone will need to tow the Pakistani navy to the gulf of Aden for even that to happen.

insofar as porki missiles are concerned even the Land base BMs are more like bowel movements than ballistic missiles. They are scud level and may not work . If they want to use the nukes their best bet is smuggling a dirty bomb or kamikazing a mirage 5 or a bandarr and hoping it triggers.

[Ambar]

Munir openly threatening nuclear attacks against a U.S. ally while on American soil and facing no consequences shows both the urgent need for and glaring absence of effective PR and lobbying. While it’s clear he enjoys the assurances and backing of the current US administration, his remarks should have drawn strong criticism from the media and other political leaders outside the admin. Irrespective of the Govt in Delhi, we have consistently neglected the fundamentals, underinvesting in our own narrative while allowing Pakis a free pass on the global stage.

[gakakkad]

US "strategic partner" . Not an ally . Humongous difference.

[SSridhar]

US "strategic partner" . Not an ally . Humongous difference.

Yes, TSP is an ally and we are a 'partner'. Ours is 'Comprehensive Global and Strategic Partnership'.
Each has made a deliberate choice on what sort of relationship one wanted.

[chetak]

[A_Gupta]

Detailed report on Reno Dik. Any mining experts here?
https://s25.q4cdn.com/322814910/files/d ... 241231.pdf

[A_Gupta]

August 13, 2025
Barrick seeks $3.5 billion financing for Reko Die.
https://www.chemanalyst.com/NewsAndDeal ... ject-38537

My impression is that previous funding efforts have fallen through.

[chetak]

Porkies barely have a navy . On a good day they could create a minor challenge for somali pirates or Houthis . The difference between IN and TSPN is probably as much as between isro and Thailand space agency .

I didn't wanna even mention suar-co ).

Their subs are old and barely function . I doubt they can operate > 50 nautical miles beyond their shore .
Indian coast guards are definitely more power projection capability.
They can kidnap fisherman for sure .

gakakkad ji,


Au contraire, we seem to be dawdling with our AIP upgrades that the DRDO was to have completed some time ago, but hasn't delivered yet.


In the meanwhile, the pakis have raced ahead.

they already operate AIP-equipped Agosta-90B submarines of french origin and are poised to induct eight advanced Yuan-class submarines with AIP technology from cheen.

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has experienced significant delays in delivering its Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system, with a fuel cell-based prototype initially expected to be ready around 2017 but still pending integration as of August 2025.

The system's integration into the Navy's Scorpene-class submarines is crucial for enhancing underwater endurance, with the upgrade for INS Khanderi now hoped for by mid-2026, though no Indian submarine currently has the technology

The delays have put India in a disadvantageous position, as regional rivals like the pakis already operate submarines with AIP technology.

[uddu]

From the Navy thread, Orders for 2 AIPs need manufactured by L&T. This was supposed to be fitted from the First sub during refit, which will now happen from Second submarine onwards. DRDO has done their job and delivered the tech to L&T. The delay being at L&Ts end in manufacturing and delivering those AIPs to MDL.

[chetak]

Munir openly threatening nuclear attacks against a U.S. ally while on American soil and facing no consequences shows both the urgent need for and glaring absence of effective PR and lobbying. While it’s clear he enjoys the assurances and backing of the current US administration, his remarks should have drawn strong criticism from the media and other political leaders outside the admin. Irrespective of the Govt in Delhi, we have consistently neglected the fundamentals, underinvesting in our own narrative while allowing Pakis a free pass on the global stage.

Ambar ji,


failed marshal has threatened the jamnagar refinery by naming ambani

India now has the legitimate reason to target the paki army's fauji foundation's $40 billion assets and rip the guts out of the paki army's commercial ecosystem, leaving the paki jernails bhooka and nanga and their aam faujis will all have to forget their hooka paani.

[chetak]

From the Navy thread, Orders for 2 AIPs need manufactured by L&T. This was supposed to be fitted from the First sub during refit, which will now happen from Second submarine onwards. DRDO has done their job and delivered the tech to L&T. The delay being at L&Ts end in manufacturing and delivering those AIPs to MDL.

uddu ji,


DRDO is still responsible for the QC, and the AIP system integration, the land trials and also the sea trials.

As designers, it is their primary responsibility to ensure that the customer gets a safe product, and to also specify the maintenance procedures for the AIP, the life of components et al. These procedures will change as operational experience is gained

when the IN accepts the first (and maybe the second AIP), it will be from the DRDO

Even during the initial manufacture, DRDO has to hold L&T's hand all the way through.

It's only after that stage that the tech transfer is deemed complete and the responsibility shifts to L&T to deliver the remaining units per the established SOPs, acceptance and delivery checks for the AIP which have yet to be written

[gakakkad]

PN has a total of 5 somewhat operational submarines currently . There are 8 Chinese submarines supposedly on order with no confirmation of delivery timelines . There have been some speculate reports about them retrofitting agostas or in process of it . Either ways they are ancient and noisy and barely a threat .

[chanakyaa]

...
failed marshal has threatened the jamnagar refinery by naming ambani

On one of the podcasts, I had heard that the ambanis worked the Clinton/US channel to get assurance from the bakis to keep the refinery off the radar from any conflict. If the failed marshal made this reference, what does it mean?

[Vayutuvan]

Clinton/US channel to get assurance from the bakis to keep the refinery off the radar from any conflict. If the failed marshal made this reference, what does it mean?

Trump is calling the shots. Not Clintons. They are done, so are Obamas.

[Rudradev]

Reko Dik sounds like something Donald Trump caught from Stormy Daniels.

[chetak]

...
failed marshal has threatened the jamnagar refinery by naming ambani

On one of the podcasts, I had heard that the ambanis worked the Clinton/US channel to get assurance from the bakis to keep the refinery off the radar from any conflict. If the failed marshal made this reference, what does it mean?

chanakyaa ji,


maybe musharaaf or before musharaaf, seriou$ yearly payment$ were made to very senior paki jernails to keep the refinery off the target package

this was an independent enterprise, brokered between the owner and contractor with introductions by Indian political mediators from the freedom fighting party

[A_Gupta]

Gold mining is water-intensive. Reko Diq will require 45 gigaliters per year per Artificial Intelligence (AI). Being located in an extremely dry area it will pipe in water from a saline aquifer 80 kilometers away, and treat the water. AI says mining water costs $385 per megaliter in Australia; here it might cost 100 times as much.

I tried to read the report on the aquifer — too much I do not understand. But it does say the recharge rate of flow into the aquifer is 2 to 9 mega liters per day. At 10 megaliters per day that is 3.65 gigaliters per year, so they will be drawing down the aquifer. AI assures me there is enough water for the 40 years life of the project.

This is not an easy project. A 80 kilometer pipeline is an easy target for the BLA. I really hope that Trump decides to sink his personal fortune into this gold mine.

It also makes the point for me that one could have a mountain of ore somewhere, but the lack of water could make it not economically viable.

[A_Gupta]

Further note - the lower Indus basin in Pakistan may contain significant shale oil, recoverable by fracking. A problem to recovering that oil is that the process uses a lot of water I am told - water which is getting increasingly in short supply in Pakistan and on which India has a (partial) on-off switch. In other words, assuming that Pakistan does have oil, they will need to be increasingly efficient in their overall use of water to get at that oil. IMO, if it was feasible, China would already be doing it. Their wonderful $30+ billion CPEC and Gwadar port just to get another route to oil and trade from the Gulf, and all along there was oil along their CPEC highway??? I don't believe it.

[uddu]

From the Navy thread, Orders for 2 AIPs need manufactured by L&T. This was supposed to be fitted from the First sub during refit, which will now happen from Second submarine onwards. DRDO has done their job and delivered the tech to L&T. The delay being at L&Ts end in manufacturing and delivering those AIPs to MDL.

uddu ji,


DRDO is still responsible for the QC, and the AIP system integration, the land trials and also the sea trials.

As designers, it is their primary responsibility to ensure that the customer gets a safe product, and to also specify the maintenance procedures for the AIP, the life of components et al. These procedures will change as operational experience is gained

when the IN accepts the first (and maybe the second AIP), it will be from the DRDO

Even during the initial manufacture, DRDO has to hold L&T's hand all the way through.

It's only after that stage that the tech transfer is deemed complete and the responsibility shifts to L&T to deliver the remaining units per the established SOPs, acceptance and delivery checks for the AIP which have yet to be written

Currently the responsibility of manufacturing and delivering the same is on L&T. Why its delayed is not known to us. Whether its sourcing of materials or so and so on. This will get resolved by L&T either in consultation with DRDO or themselves and when that comes out, surely the quality check another aspects will be there to ensure that the delivered product is upto specs. DRDO's role will now be very limited in ensuring that the product delivered is as per quality and working as expected. L&T will deliver the product. Once its checked and certified as meeting quality requirement, MDL and Naval group will step in to fit the same into the submarine. DRDO can monitor once again whether the system is fitted as per specifications during and once the work is done and check whether the system is working properly including further tests on it and certify it fit for usage as intended.

[chetak]

uddu ji,


DRDO is still responsible for the QC, and the AIP system integration, the land trials and also the sea trials.

As designers, it is their primary responsibility to ensure that the customer gets a safe product, and to also specify the maintenance procedures for the AIP, the life of components et al. These procedures will change as operational experience is gained

when the IN accepts the first (and maybe the second AIP), it will be from the DRDO

Even during the initial manufacture, DRDO has to hold L&T's hand all the way through.

It's only after that stage that the tech transfer is deemed complete and the responsibility shifts to L&T to deliver the remaining units per the established SOPs, acceptance and delivery checks for the AIP which have yet to be written

Currently the responsibility of manufacturing and delivering the same is on L&T. Why its delayed is not known to us. Whether its sourcing of materials or so and so on. This will get resolved by L&T either in consultation with DRDO or themselves and when that comes out, surely the quality check another aspects will be there to ensure that the delivered product is upto specs. DRDO's role will now be very limited in ensuring that the product delivered is as per quality and working as expected. L&T will deliver the product. Once its checked and certified as meeting quality requirement, MDL and Naval group will step in to fit the same into the submarine. DRDO can monitor once again whether the system is fitted as per specifications during and once the work is done and check whether the system is working properly including further tests on it and certify it fit for usage as intended.

uddu ji,

agree to disagree.

why it is delayed is known but this is an open forum and elaboration is foolhardy

The contracted designer is the DRDO, and the bill paying customer is the IN.

In one's misspent youth, one has officially worked both sides of this divide for more years than one cares to remember.

This is a "build to print" process that is underway.

The designer cannot, under any circumstances, wash his hands and evade responsibility

Moving on

[Rudradev]

It also makes the point for me that one could have a mountain of ore somewhere, but the lack of water could make it not economically viable.

A problem to recovering that oil is that the process uses a lot of water I am told - water which is getting increasingly in short supply in Pakistan and on which India has a (partial) on-off switch. In other words, assuming that Pakistan does have oil, they will need to be increasingly efficient in their overall use of water to get at that oil.

Gives us a good indication of the Paki game plan.

1) Get Trump to invest in these inaccessible sources of gold and shale oil in Pakistan.
2) Only then, inform Trump that water shortage is the issue blocking access to the gold and shale oil in these locations.
3) Blame India for the water shortage. (After all, it couldn't be happening as a result of Paki mismanagement, or for some unscientific reason like ''climate change"). No, it is because of the 'very unfair' Indus Water Treaty and also the 'illegal Indian occupation of Kashmir despite UN resolutions' that India can block off the river waters that flow into Pakistan.
4) So India is responsible for Trump not being able to get at all that gold and oil he invested in.

[nandakumar]

On one of the podcasts, I had heard that the ambanis worked the Clinton/US channel to get assurance from the bakis to keep the refinery off the radar from any conflict. If the failed marshal made this reference, what does it mean?

chanakyaa ji,


maybe musharaaf or before musharaaf, seriou$ yearly payment$ were made to very senior paki jernails to keep the refinery off the target package

this was an independent enterprise, brokered between the owner and contractor with introductions by Indian political mediators from the freedom fighting party

Chetak
My information is that the plant has reinsurance arrangement with Lloyd's of London. The 'hafta' is being arranged through them. The Lloyd's definitely do not want a reinsurance claim falling on them.

[chetak]

chanakyaa ji,


maybe musharaaf or before musharaaf, seriou$ yearly payment$ were made to very senior paki jernails to keep the refinery off the target package

this was an independent enterprise, brokered between the owner and contractor with introductions by Indian political mediators from the freedom fighting party

Chetak
My information is that the plant has reinsurance arrangement with Lloyd's of London. The 'hafta' is being arranged through them. The Lloyd's definitely do not want a reinsurance claim falling on them.

nandakumar ji,

the refinery is, first and foremost, a commercial property

In commercial insurance, including property and liability policies, war-related damage is generally not covered.

While war damage is excluded from many types of insurance, there are exceptions.

For instance, marine and aviation policies may include war cover, primarily for marine hulls and cargo.

this is a direct deal, it walks and quacks like a duck, so what else could it be

[Manish_P]

chanakyaa ji,

maybe musharaaf or before musharaaf, seriou$ yearly payment$ were made to very senior paki jernails to keep the refinery off the target package

this was an independent enterprise, brokered between the owner and contractor with introductions by Indian political mediators from the freedom fighting party

Chetak
My information is that the plant has reinsurance arrangement with Lloyd's of London. The 'hafta' is being arranged through them. The Lloyd's definitely do not want a reinsurance claim falling on them.

Almost seems like the message is from the clown prince to the petrochemical baron. A not so subtle go-fund-my-campaign threat.

Just a few days ago the El Presidente erstwhile strategic advisor had revealed that he was advised to target the 7 odd Indian Oligarchs to bring down the priest king.

[gakakkad]

Chetak
My information is that the plant has reinsurance arrangement with Lloyd's of London. The 'hafta' is being arranged through them. The Lloyd's definitely do not want a reinsurance claim falling on them.

Almost seems like the message is from the clown prince to the petrochemical baron. A not so subtle go-fund-my-campaign threat.

Just a few days ago the El Presidente erstwhile strategic advisor had revealed that he was advised to target the 7 odd Indian Oligarchs to bring down the priest king.

Link ? Very interested in this .

[chetak]

Almost seems like the message is from the clown prince to the petrochemical baron. A not so subtle go-fund-my-campaign threat.

Just a few days ago the El Presidente erstwhile strategic advisor had revealed that he was advised to target the 7 odd Indian Oligarchs to bring down the priest king.

Link ? Very interested in this .

are you expecting a link to reports of illegal activities, gakakkad ji


search for this "Modi asks if cong got ‘tempo loads’ of cash"

[Manish_P]

Link ? Very interested in this .

Link for what specifically, Gakakkad ji?

If you are referring to the targeting of top Indian businesses then please refer the India US relations thread (page 272 if I am not mistaken)

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