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S_Madhukar wrote: 17 Sep 2025 16:35
chetak wrote: 16 Sep 2025 20:31



putnanja ji,

what about the people who eat those chickens (and the eggs) fed with amriki GMO corn
Do chicken get diabetes from eating too much corn? Well people do like a fat chicken :mrgreen:


putnanja ji,

My remark was not flippant

the main concerns about the adverse effects of GM foods on health are the transfer of antibiotic resistance, toxicity and allergenicity.

premium Indian chicken producers shout from the roof tops that their chickens are antibiotic free and charge you extra for it

they source their chicken feed carefully from secure sources and trusted suppliers to prevent any contamination is what they claim

This residue, remaining after the extraction of corn oil is still valuable enough to sell, and unscrupulous people will also mix it into

animal feed thus aggravating the problem even further

India has been vary of GMO foods for a very long time now, and Modi ji has got it right

The insidiously forceful and relentless amriki attempts to bulldoze their way into India's dairy and agri markets is not economics as

most people imagine, but has a much larger geopolitical agenda that will seriously affect our internal security ecosystem within a

period of three to five years, give or take, and thereafter will be impossible to reverse the damage to our farming communities which

consist of mostly small and marginal farmers.

Then we will have a nationwide real farmer's protest on our hands

So much so, that a nationalist govt may never come to power again
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A brief, harsh look at India, US -Abhijit Iyar-Mitra
https://youtu.be/7nE6-IfXzcs?si=t6EURro0wafMAjBb
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chetak wrote: 17 Sep 2025 17:07
S_Madhukar wrote: 17 Sep 2025 16:35

Do chicken get diabetes from eating too much corn? Well people do like a fat chicken :mrgreen:


putnanja ji,

My remark was not flippant

....
chetak-ji, the reply was by S_Madhukar, not me :)
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putnanja wrote: 17 Sep 2025 19:56
chetak wrote: 17 Sep 2025 17:07



putnanja ji,

My remark was not flippant

....
chetak-ji, the reply was by S_Madhukar, not me :)


Apologies, putnanja ji. :oops:

My bad onlee
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putnanja wrote: 16 Sep 2025 20:09 I think India might agree to import it for ethanol production or chicken feed. But it also has impact of affecting Indian farms producing sugarcane who are getting better prices for ethanol produciton now
India would have made some friendly gesture if treated with respect. But Trump Admin went for unnecessary drama and naively thought India would budge based on childish and ignorant public statements. Those statements were made to make political brownie points before the MAGA crowd. However Indian IFS Babus and Modi Admin will now have to harden the stance. If they don't then they will face the music with the Indian public and opposition who is desperate for any issues of substance. So India will follow strict protocol and will not compromise on anything. Either Trump admin have to do a complete TACO or get nothing.

Also irrespective of few social media gestures by Trump. We still have to deal with 50% tariff, Americans siding with a terrorist state that is fighting a war with us and a lot of racial discrimination of Indian diaspora who are contributing positively in the US. This relationship has really hit the bottom. Nothing is going to repair it for a long time to come.
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^^^Add to that Trump being not a normal person. Any concession will not be a seen as a consideration from India but as a weakness and the demands will grow. So at no point we must budge on anything that we demanded. Also if there is no deal, there is no deal.
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uddu wrote: 17 Sep 2025 21:18 ^^^Add to that Trump being not a normal person. Any concession will not be a seen as a consideration from India but as a weakness and the demands will grow. So at no point we must budge on anything that we demanded. Also if there is no deal, there is no deal.
100% agree. That is how most American business folks negotiate, especially if they think they have the upper hand.
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From Thomas Wright at The Atlantic-- we can assume this reflects the neoliberal consensus to a large extent.

https://archive.ph/ohvSf

Trump Isn’t Interested in Competing With China
To see how the president is losing ground to Beijing, consider his disastrous relationship with India.

Most Republicans and many Trump-administration officials believe that the stakes of America’s competition with China are all but existential. Apparently, Donald Trump is not among them. The president talks about China as an economic rival but rarely as a strategic one—a view neatly encapsulated by his decision last month to ease export controls on advanced chips, which granted Beijing a boost in the AI race in exchange for a cut of the resulting sales.

Now Trump seems to fear doing anything that might jeopardize the prospects of a summit and trade deal with China’s leader, Xi Jinping. On Truth Social this week, the president said that he’ll be speaking with Xi on Friday and suggested that a deal on TikTok was imminent. He concluded the post by asserting that his relationship with Xi “remains a very strong one!!!”

Trump world has long disagreed on how to deal with China. In Trump’s first term, for example, then–National Security Adviser H. R. McMaster produced a strategy that centered on competition with China and Russia. Even while introducing that plan, however, Trump emphasized the need to build a “great partnership” with Beijing and Moscow. China hawks nevertheless made progress, succeeding in adding Chinese technology firms to America’s trade blacklist and banning investment in companies with links to China’s military, among other measures.

The China hawks have been sidelined in the second Trump administration, leaving the president’s money-minded view of China unchecked. Consider his approach to TikTok.
Last year, Congress passed legislation to shut down the platform by this past January if its Chinese parent company, ByteDance, did not divest. Instead, Trump issued rolling extensions, effectively ignoring the law and the national-security concerns that Congress had raised. The terms of the deal Trump hinted at are unknown. But some initial reporting suggests that it could resemble previous proposals that relied on inadequate work-arounds, such as requiring ByteDance to “license” its algorithm to an American company rather than relinquish control of it. If Trump’s plan proves to be a rehash of those earlier ones, then it may be little more than a capitulation to Beijing.

The administration is also reportedly drafting a new defense strategy that prioritizes concerns in the Western Hemisphere over the dangers that Beijing poses. But the most striking example of Trump’s failure to take China seriously is his demolition of America’s relationship with India.
Washington has so far thwarted Beijing’s ambitions to dominate the Indo-Pacific by forging alliances and partnerships in the region. These relationships have become America’s key strategic advantage over China, and perhaps the most important in this regard was to be the one with India. For 25 years, Republicans and Democrats were committed to deepening ties with Delhi, which has long had suspicions about America but is even more concerned about China’s rise. Under the Biden administration, U.S. cooperation with India reached a historic high, yielding agreements on defense production, technology, and civil nuclear regulations.

Earlier this year, Trump appeared poised to continue America’s long-standing approach to India and build on his personal relationship with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. In February, Modi became one of the first foreign leaders to visit Trump in the Oval Office, and the two issued a joint statement outlining dozens of issues on which they pledged to work together. After Trump announced his “Liberation Day” tariffs in April, many observers expected India to be one of the first nations to reach a trade deal with him. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent thought this too. Hoping to bolster the partnership, Vice President J. D. Vance visited Jaipur later that month. “If India and the United States work together successfully, we are going to see a 21st century that is prosperous and peaceful,” he said on April 22. “But I also believe that if we fail to work together successfully, the 21st century could be a very dark time for all of humanity.”

On the same day as Vance’s speech, militants killed 26 people in the Indian-administered section of Kashmir, a disputed territory claimed by both India and Pakistan. The Indian government blamed Pakistan for the attack and, two weeks later, launched strikes at its northern neighbor. Pakistan retaliated, prompting further drone and missile exchanges. Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio made calls to both sides in an attempt to de-escalate.

On May 10, the fourth day of fighting, a press conference was scheduled in Delhi to announce a cease-fire. Just before it began, Trump posted on Truth Social: “After a long night of talks mediated by the United States, I am pleased to announce that India and Pakistan have agreed to a FULL AND IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE.” The Indian government was shocked, and denied that Trump had anything to do with the cease-fire—a sensitive issue for Delhi, which insists that international mediators leave Kashmir alone.

Trump called Modi on June 17, according to The New York Times, and told him how proud he was to have brought the conflict to an end. The president reportedly said that Pakistan was nominating him for the Nobel Peace Prize, implying that Modi should do the same. Agitated, the prime minister reiterated that the U.S. had nothing to do with the cease-fire.

In the weeks after the phone call, the relationship between the two countries deteriorated. Trump reportedly rejected a trade deal with India because Modi was unwilling to grant concessions on U.S. agricultural and dairy exports. He then imposed a 25 percent tariff on India, and later doubled it, citing the country’s oil trade with Russia. Other members of the administration piled on. Peter Navarro, a senior White House official, condemned India in comments to the press. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick recently demanded that India stop buying oil from Russia and leave the intergovernmental group BRICS, even though Delhi has helped keep Beijing and Moscow from turning it into an anti-Western organization.
Meanwhile, Pakistan won favor with the Trump administration. Back in March, the country arrested an Islamic State leader who’d allegedly orchestrated the 2021 Abbey Gate bombing, which killed 13 U.S. troops. In an address to Congress, Trump thanked Pakistan “for helping arrest this monster.” A few months later, the president hosted the country’s army chief, Asim Munir, for lunch—a highly unusual move that Pakistani officials believe thawed relations.

Unlike India, Islamabad has credited Trump with negotiating the cease-fire in Kashmir, and praised him for it. The country has also offered itself as a hub for both bitcoin and mining rare-earth metals. In addition, Pakistani leaders endorsed a partnership between the country’s crypto council and World Liberty Financial, the crypto firm co-founded by Trump’s sons.
(The first time I'm seeing this crypto-laundering angle directly mentioned in the mainstream US media). In July, these overtures seemed to pay off: Trump agreed to a trade deal with Pakistan that reduced the tariff rate from 29 to 19 percent, less than half the rate currently imposed on India.

Trump’s embrace of Pakistan belies the growing problems it poses for America. Late last year, President Joe Biden’s deputy national security adviser Jon Finer, drawing on declassified U.S. intelligence, said that Pakistan was developing a long-range ballistic missile that could eventually allow the country to fire its nuclear weapons into American airspace. (Pakistan called the U.S. assessment “unfounded.” Of course it's 'unfounded'-- Pakistan could not develop a working trash bag on its own, so this ICBM is clearly some new Cheeni/NoKo donation that's been uncovered. ) The Biden administration sanctioned a state-owned entity allegedly involved in the program. The Trump administration, by contrast, has said nothing about it. This past weekend, Pakistan’s president, Asif Ali Zardari, became the first foreign leader to visit China’s largest military aviation manufacturer, pledging to deepen defense-industry ties between the two countries—and offering a reminder of whom Pakistan is truly aligned with.

As Trump degrades the U.S.-India alliance and reprimands Delhi for buying oil from Russia, Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin are strengthening their relationship. The pair had two phone calls in August, in which Modi affirmed his commitment to their partnership. Earlier this month, Modi attended a Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit in China, where he glad-handed with Xi and Putin. Despite the comity their leaders displayed for the cameras, however, India and China still have serious differences. Delhi sees Beijing as its biggest threat, particularly since some border skirmishes that began in 2020. And Modi and Xi have had a more trying relationship than either has had with Putin.

The recent China summit elicited an oddly fatalistic response from Trump on Truth Social: “Looks like we’ve lost India and Russia to deepest, darkest, China. May they have a long and prosperous future together!” Modi and Trump spoke on the phone yesterday, as officials from both governments met in Delhi to discuss restarting trade negotiations. This may be a sign that they recognize the risks of a complete breakdown in relations. But the trust that would be required to reverse the breakdown in strategic cooperation more generally is nearly gone.


India is not the only Asian partner the Trump administration has alienated. ICE agents arrested more than 300 South Koreans who had entered the United States legally and were building a Hyundai battery plant in Georgia. The move generated outrage in Seoul. On the same day, Trump imposed a punitive investment deal on Japan that drew the ire of Japanese officials and business leaders.


Interventions like these have given Beijing a chance for the first time in its history to forge deeper partnerships than those of the United States. Indeed, the China-Russia partnership might now be the world’s strongest bilateral relationship. Xi and Putin are closely aligned, and China is helping Russia reconstitute its military far more quickly than the Russian president could on his own. In exchange, Putin may help China modernize its own military, if he isn’t already. As the U.S. Navy Admiral Samuel Paparo has warned, Russia could provide China with advanced submarine technology. Paparo has said that this kind of military integration, which exceeds that of many formal alliances, has “the potential of closing American undersea dominance” over China.

While Trump spurns India and other allies, China has launched its “Global Governance Initiative,” an attempt to position Beijing as the global standard-bearer for multilateralism and the rule of law. China consistently betrays these principles, of course. But under Trump, many countries believe that the U.S. is doing the same, without even the pretense of caring about the values it once espoused. For now, most of the world still wants to ally with Washington rather than Beijing. If that changes, America will lose its decisive advantage over China, and the Trump administration will have only itself to blame.
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Ishaq Dar just said that India did not accept third party mediation during Op Sindoor.
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A_Gupta wrote: 18 Sep 2025 00:39 Ishaq Dar just said that India did not accept third party mediation during Op Sindoor.
He stated this publicly once before, too. I wonder what gives, that they are willing to contradict Trump and his bid for the Nobel Prize so openly-- is there trouble in paradise?

1) Did the Chinese squeeze the Pakis' testimonials (over which they still have a solid grasp) forcing them to squawk in contradiction to Trump's claims?
2) Did the Trump/WLF cabal out-Pakistan the Pakis by failing to deliver what Aseem Munir had been led to expect during his White House meeting? Wouldn't be a first for the Trump Organization. Maybe kickbacks to the Pakistan Crypto Council via WLF aren't being remitted on schedule. Or the cargo in that fleet of USAF C17s that recently visited Pakistan has turned out to be mostly soybeans.
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Rudradev wrote: 18 Sep 2025 00:45 1) Did the Chinese squeeze the Pakis' testimonials (over which they still have a solid grasp) forcing them to squawk in contradiction to Trump's claims?
What do have Chinese have in it, i.e. squeezing Paki crown jewels, on behalf of India? If it is just to show Trump to be claiming far more than what he achieved (which is 0 ofc) to be an idiot, they can do it elsewhere.

By saying that it is Shittistan that asked for ceasefire, Chinese would be agreeing indirectly that their weapon systems failed to protect their whore (shared with the great khan).
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Not on behalf of India, on their own behalf. They have invested $65B in Pakistan over the past 12 years. They are even more unhappy about Asim Munir & Trump cosying up to each other than India is, especially regarding how the US might build influence there under the guise of prospecting for oil & rare earths in territory that Beijing sees as essentially mortgaged to it.

Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan had left Chinese influence pretty much paramount in Af Pak, and the last thing they want is for this to slip away.

Not to mention what details might have been shared by Jaishankar & Modi regarding US-TSPA joint nuclear projects at Nur Khan, Kairana Hills & elsewhere... all existential threats to China.

Compared to all this, the issue of weapons systems has long been settled among the people who matter and forgotten by the people who don't. It is far more important to China to disrupt a growing US-TSPA rapprochement in future, than to worry about how this may affect past claims of weapons performance during Op Sindoor.
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Meanwhile Trump to designate Antifa a 'major terrorist organization..

(Along with BLA, Houthis, MS-13, Sinaloa,....
But Not ULFA, Pak's ISI,Khalistan Tiger Force,CPI-Maoist ..
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Some are bad terrorists and deserve censure, others are good terrorists that can be rehabilitated
A wide gulf seperates the two
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^ can be better served in the other thread, no? We here do not know nor hold troth with TV celebs or mouthpieces of another nation, and i will be presumptuous here in saying that I speak for all that we would like to keep it that way, unless it is in any way related to india
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Moved.
But -
What does Antifa have to do with India?
What does US domestic terrorism have to do with india? Or with overseas (to the US) terrorism?
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This is why trumpwa and his circus clowns are desperate for a deal with India


nutlick says

“India Brags that they have 1.4 Billion people, then why wouldn’t they buy one Bushel of corn from us"


https://www.newsweek.com/farmers-are-st ... mp-2128104



Farmers Are Struggling Under Donald Trump


Tariffs and USAID: Farmers Lose Key Crop Buyers

When speaking about his tariffs in March, Trump wrote on Truth Social: "To the Great Farmers of the United States: Get ready to start making a lot of agricultural product to be sold INSIDE of the United States. Tariffs will go on external product on April 2nd. Have fun!"

However, instead of "fun" domestic sales, many farmers are struggling to sell their crops inside the U.S.

The closure of U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) had a hand to play in this, being one of the largest buyers of U.S. grown crops as it spent around $2.1 billion a year providing worldwide food aid.

Without USAID providing consistent demand, many farmers have been trying to find other buyers to make up costs, without much success.

Some farmers also rely heavily on trade with Chinese markets. After China retaliated against Trump's tariffs with a 10 percent tariff of its own on U.S. goods, as of August 27, not a single U.S. soybean cargo had been purchased by China, Ian Sheldon, a chair in agricultural marketing, trade and policy at The Ohio State University, told Newsweek.

This has also happened just as the U.S. crop comes to harvest, and is "expected to put downward pressure on soybean prices," he said.

Both Mexico and Canada are also major buyers of U.S. crops, and Trump's additional trade war with these countries threatens further destabilization of farmer's main sources of sales.


While potential trade deals with the U.K. and Japan could provide some relief, although how much is uncertain, "it is important that any tariff retaliation by [Mexico and Canada] does not get ratcheted up," Sheldon said.




Why It Matters

Farmers are in desperate need of help and earlier this month in Arkansas, hundreds of them gathered in Brookland to share their concerns with representatives.

One farmer, Chris King, said: "Mr. Trump, you looked at me and said, 'I love you.' Mr. Trump, I need to see the fruit of your love." King added: "I have never been as worried as I am now about whether or not my kids and grandkids will be able to carry on."

Another, Scott Brown, said: "You are going to lose 25 to 30 percent of the farmers in this country if they don't do something... and it's not just here; it's everywhere."


Some farmers in the state have been praying to God for help, others deeming it a "very dire situation."
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A_Gupta ji, if you look at the 3 line post that is associated with the news of antifa, there is mention of some agencies for which india is in the top 2 position of being affected by, the top one being paksitan which after all is the biggest victim of terrorism
i am not the board police, i am also not the no-fun police, but too much americansim spills onto our eyeballs on a daily basis, agreed 400% that this is america's world and that other countries should pay tithes to simply stay in it, but must one also be subjected to the minutiae of gleaming every little detail that goes on in there, are there compulsory exams on popular american political vibes that one must clear on a regular basis

you have the younger ones who know the ins and outs of american parties and political pundits, yet cannot recall the name of india's president, such close focus on the words and deeds of foreign parties would be ok, but then they also blur the lines on the popular culture there to what should be the discourse here

some dude got shot in a foreign land, indian public is all like: we should debate lefty righty violence, gun violence, trans identity, why is india not so violent, indian celebs that are on the list and so on..... american culture is the umbilicus to our popular culture, it is quite literally the point in the sky around which all our stars rotate

yet for all that, i still do not believe that such discourse should be under the mandate of this thread
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For those who imagine that opponents of Trump, specifically the Pro-Jihad Democratic Party, are friends of India-- do read this report from the (who else) New York Times.

https://archive.ph/3OU0g

5 Takeaways From The Times’s Investigation Into 2 Giant Deals Involving Trump
A $2 billion crypto deal and an agreement to sell valuable chips to the United Arab Emirates were intertwined in ways that have not been previously reported.
Two blockbuster agreements illustrate how profitable the extreme deal-making of the Trump era has become for the president and people in his inner circle.

One involved a $2 billion transaction by a government-backed firm in the United Arab Emirates using a cryptocurrency offered by World Liberty Financial — a company founded by the families of President Trump and a close adviser, Steve Witkoff.

The other is a pending sale of the world’s most valuable artificial intelligence chips to the U.A.E. It would give the tiny Middle East country access to technology that could shape the global economy and even change how wars are fought.
To be clear, it's an expose about the Trump-family owned WLF and its shady international dealings in cryptocurrency.

Guess which country is never even named in the article.
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This was one of the most anti-Hindu false legal case. . It was due to this false allegations that BAPS temple in Robbinsville was raided- heartache for Hindu community

From: (Coalition of Hindus of North America)
In a major win for the Hindu community in America, The US Department of Justice closed its investigation against @BAPS over alleged “caste discrimination” and exploitation of workers.
In 2021, the largest Hindu temple in the West became the target of a well oiled anti-Hindu machinery that was hell bent on portraying our community and our temples as inherently “oppressive” and therefore dangerous to the harmony and values of American society. We commend the resolve and courage of
@baps and the selfless volunteers serving with love, kindness and dedication to Dharma and their Gurus, despite the witch-hunt against them.

But we must hold accountable the anti-Hindu ecosystem that took these unproven allegations and an ongoing investigation as “proof”-- and put the entire community in the dock. @nytimes led the charge, with an article on the FBI raid published even as federal agents descended on to the sacred grounds of the temple, violating spiritual sanctity of the saints and other devotees.

@trentonian called it “The Temple of Doom,” harking back to the Hinduphobic portrayals of the Indiana Jones movie.

Groups like Equality Labs, Hindus for Human Rights, Indian American Muslim Council, Ambedkar King Study Circle, and others quickly broadened the attack to smear ALL of Hinduism, Hindus, and temples in general for exploiting Dalits. This investigation immediately morphed into “evidence” to support their demand for caste laws in America.

Academics like @surajyenge , Audrey Truschke, and several others from all around the world used the worst terms to describe the entire episode - going as far as equating Hinduism with slavery and oppression.

Today, our community stands resilient as the “caste house of cards” falls apart. In 2023, California withdrew its case against Sundar Iyer and Ramana Kompella and rejected a bill that would profile and target the Hindu community. Now,in 2025 the DOJ has withdrawn its case against BAPS.

But as we asked then, we ask again -when did allegations become “evidence”? In numerous cases now, Hindus have found themselves caught up in media trials on the basis of motivated cases that fall apart. But the damage done is largely done, since with each manufactured controversy, the court of public opinion shifts against the community.

One small instance–will the many universities, companies and institutions who passed resolutions, amended their policies to add “caste” as a protected category, etc. based on the false claims about caste discrimination in America now reverse their policies?

The falsely tarnished American Hindu community demands justice and reversal of these actions grounded in bad faith.
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Rudradev wrote: 19 Sep 2025 01:02

5 Takeaways From The Times’s Investigation Into 2 Giant Deals Involving Trump
A $2 billion crypto deal and an agreement to sell valuable chips to the United Arab Emirates were intertwined in ways that have not been previously reported.

….
To be clear, it's an expose about the Trump-family owned WLF and its shady international dealings in cryptocurrency.

Guess which country is never even named in the article.
We do not know how much money was involved with Pakistan; and whatever it is, it is nowhere near the billions dollar level examples here.
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@ricky_v I agree.

But news from Japan, South Korea, Bangladesh, and so on often goes unnoticed it seems.
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The US administration led by President Donald Trump has said it is withdrawing the sanctions waiver granted to the Chabahar port in Iran, which is being developed by India, thereby ending the waiver from 2018 during Trump 1.0. The sanctions regime on the strategically-located port will come into effect from September 29, about 10 days from now.
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ricky_v wrote: 18 Sep 2025 19:26 ....but must one also be subjected to the minutiae of gleaming every little detail that goes on in there, ....
yet for all that, i still do not believe that such discourse should be under the mandate of this thread
Well said, especially ...
ricky_v wrote: 18 Sep 2025 19:26are there compulsory exams on popular american political vibes that one must clear on a regular basis
:rotfl:
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arshyam wrote: 19 Sep 2025 06:57
ricky_v wrote: 18 Sep 2025 19:26 ....but must one also be subjected to the minutiae of gleaming every little detail that goes on in there, ....
yet for all that, i still do not believe that such discourse should be under the mandate of this thread
Well said, especially ...
ricky_v wrote: 18 Sep 2025 19:26are there compulsory exams on popular american political vibes that one must clear on a regular basis
:rotfl:
Many elite democrats and GOPers want people to pass exams they themselves cannot. Our elite BRF friends are no different. :rotfl: :mrgreen: :lol:
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A_Gupta wrote: 19 Sep 2025 02:39
Rudradev wrote: 19 Sep 2025 01:02

5 Takeaways From The Times’s Investigation Into 2 Giant Deals Involving Trump
A $2 billion crypto deal and an agreement to sell valuable chips to the United Arab Emirates were intertwined in ways that have not been previously reported.

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To be clear, it's an expose about the Trump-family owned WLF and its shady international dealings in cryptocurrency.

Guess which country is never even named in the article.
We do not know how much money was involved with Pakistan; and whatever it is, it is nowhere near the billions dollar level examples here.
Besides the point. We don't know how much, and will likely never know how much, because pro-Jihadi pro-Democratic Party mouthpieces like the New York Times work overtime to cover up any wrongdoing by Pakistan or Pakistanis no matter what the circumstances.

Here is another recent example. Shortly after the Charlie Kirk assassination, two Pakistani-origin Jihadis attempted to bomb a TV news van in Utah.

The coverage by FOX13 news (whose news van was targeted) explicitly states the terrorists' origin as being Pakistani.

https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/fbi ... ws-vehicle
FBI arrests 2 after incendiary device left under FOX 13 News vehicle
Posted 7:54 PM, Sep 14, 2025 and last updated 2:06 PM, Sep 15, 2025
MAGNA, Utah —

Two men have been arrested after allegedly leaving an incendiary device underneath a FOX 13 News vehicle and then forcing an evacuation of a Magna neighborhood when the FBI served an overnight warrant on their home.

The men, Adeeb Ahamed Nasir, 58, and Adil Justice Ahmed Nasir, 31, were booked into jail and face multiple charges, including Threat of Terrorism, Possessing Weapons of Mass Destruction, and Possessing Explosive Devices.

Booking data from the Salt Lake County Jail shows Adeeb Nasir is a citizen of the United States who was born in Pakistan. Adil Nasir was born in Utah.
The New York Times' coverage of the same incident, found here https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/u ... rrest.html
carefully whitewashes its reportage to excise any reference to the Jihadis' Pakistani origin. Also, predictably, it reports "human interest" angles designed to make them seem like unfairly targeted Muslim victims:
The mother of Adil Nasir and ex-wife of Adeeb Nasir said that the two men had hired a lawyer, though she did not know the lawyer’s name.
The woman, who requested anonymity for safety reasons, said that she believed her son “did not commit anything,” and that he had been wrongly accused because he was a vocal opponent of the Trump administration. “He could not even hurt a bird,” she said. :(( :((
Shades of "Asian" or even "Rotherham" men being blamed as a category for the Pakistani grooming-gang atrocities in the UK.

****

While this Trump nonsense has been dominating the headlines, our collective attention has wandered from the mainstreaming of Jihadi Islamic Supremacism in the Democratic Party, with propaganda mouthpieces like the New York Times, Washington Post, and CNN laying the groundwork for it.

Just this week, New York's Democratic Governor, Kathy Hochul, endorsed Jihadi Islamic Supremacist candidate Zohran Scumdani for Mayor of New York.

Chris Van Hollen, the Democratic Senator from Maryland-- and someone long known to reside in the pocket of Pakistan-origin DNC megadonor Tahir Javed-- harangued crowds as far away as Iowa about the need for his party to embrace Scumdani into its mainstream. Maggie Hassan (Democratic Senator from New Hampshire) and Eric Swalwell (Democratic Congressman from California, who recently participated with much grandstanding in the inquisition against Kash Patel) are two other Democratic Party officials closely beholden to Tahir Javed.

https://x.com/USIRCOnline/status/1517888229768237056

Notably, a host of Democratic Party Senators-- Chris Van Hollen, Bernie Sanders (Vermont), Tim Kaine (Virginia-- he was Hillary Clinton's running mate), and Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden (Oregon) co-signed a letter urging then-Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to threaten India on the basis of Khalistani/ISI allegations of "transnational repression" last year.

https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/news/p ... erpetrator

It's good to keep this in mind while we're focused on the utterings of Lindsey Graham, Howard Lutnick et al. The Republicans under Trump are surely anti-India; meanwhile, not only are the Democrats anti-India, but many of them are driven by a mission to import and mainstream Jihadi Islamic Supremacism... of the sort specifically motivated by Pakistan and its diaspora... into the United States political establishment.
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US is slowly and deliberately moving in its military to surround India. In Bangladesh, TSP and now plans are on to establish a base in Afghanistan. If the Nepal hungama was cooked up by culinary institute, then the presence of US military there in some form in the near future cannot be ruled out. Looks like US has finally given up on the idea that they can use India as a counterweight against China. They are finding India too independent and probably aligning closer with Russia in the overall global order. Hence they have bucketed India with China now and are creating dual purpose military presence in the region that can be used against both countries in one form or another. For example, from BD they can foment trouble in India's NE region as well as for China. JMT etc.
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otably, a host of Democratic Party Senators-- Chris Van Hollen, Bernie Sanders (Vermont), Tim Kaine (Virginia-- he was Hillary Clinton's running mate), and Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden (Oregon) co-signed a letter urging then-Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to threaten India on the basis of Khalistani/ISI allegations of "transnational repression" last year
van hollen is the guy who had televised breakfast with the illegal immigrant deported to el salvador.
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Dilbu wrote: 19 Sep 2025 11:09 US is slowly and deliberately moving in its military to surround India. In Bangladesh, TSP and now plans are on to establish a base in Afghanistan. If the Nepal hungama was cooked up by culinary institute, then the presence of US military there in some form in the near future cannot be ruled out. Looks like US has finally given up on the idea that they can use India as a counterweight against China. They are finding India too independent and probably aligning closer with Russia in the overall global order. Hence they have bucketed India with China now and are creating dual purpose military presence in the region that can be used against both countries in one form or another. For example, from BD they can foment trouble in India's NE region as well as for China. JMT etc.
I am afraid we are sleep walking into a trap that will slowly be squeezed. We are too happy with some trade deals while I suspect at the backend more vicious things are planned. Remember these chaps can do ANYTHING to overthrow a regime they don’t like. They want to light fires in our backside and lure us into a trap in the west.

Added later - not the right time to ask but have our strategic planners screwed up, looking at the neighbourhood now ?
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IMO India was always surrounded by US military forces; we are just becoming more aware of it.
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gakakkad wrote: 19 Sep 2025 21:37
Notably, a host of Democratic Party Senators-- Chris Van Hollen, Bernie Sanders (Vermont), Tim Kaine (Virginia-- he was Hillary Clinton's running mate), and Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden (Oregon) co-signed a letter urging then-Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to threaten India on the basis of Khalistani/ISI allegations of "transnational repression" last year
van hollen is the guy who had televised breakfast with the illegal immigrant deported to el salvador.
Yes, he is. His actions actively facilitate the infiltration of the far-left of the Democratic Party by global Jihadis.

His pandering televised appearances with Abrego Garcia (deported to El Salvador) are calculated to increase his credibility and traction with the Open Borders Left (something which benefits his deep-pocketed Jihadi donors for obvious reasons).

His demagoguery last week in Iowa, where he exhort a blue-collar crowd to support the nationwide mainstreaming of Jihadi Zohran Scumdani, was an attempt to elevate Islamic supremacists through the Economic Populist Left platform.
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are you guys following the antisemite circus? fuentes ,carlson , black barbie (aka candace owen) , poso et al? it's Nazi level shit..

with the amount of hate we see against Yehuda and hanooda , i kind of hope the CT sees fruition someday .
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When it comes to this whole idea of Regime Change, I don't disagree that Bharat needs to be extra vigilant at all times.

But for our own better understanding-- maybe it would be useful to look at it from the aspiring Regime Changer's point of view.

If you were a senior strategist in the 'deep state' looking at countries in India and its neighborhood-- or in fact, anywhere in the world-- you have to remember a few things.

1) Regime change is useless unless you can be confident of shaping the events that come after it. Control over consequences is the most important thing.

2) Attempted regime change where you get exposed can be more harmful than not attempting it. Deniability is of paramount importance.

3) Your desired outcome is best achieved if you can enlist the target country's (a) mass public support, (b) mainstream institutional support e.g. courts and parliaments, (c) puppet institutional support e.g. from your previously planted NGO network and corporations, (d) individual actors, such as the army general whom you paid off to stage a coup... in decreasing order of usefulness.

Why decreasing? It should be obvious. As we go from (a) to (d) the legitimacy of the regime change decreases in domestic as well as international perception, while more and more of your eggs are placed in a smaller basket, making the risk of failure and of exposure much greater.

4) Therefore your methods of choice for regime change are:

#1-- an election, or something that looks like a legitimate election, where you interfere with disinformation/social-media campaigns/exploitation of local faultlines etc. If you can make it appear that the regime change was the result of the 'will of the people' you get the most legitimacy and the least risk of exposure. This was the attempt made on India's general election in 2024, but it failed to stop Modi from returning to power.

#2-- some sort of a mechanistic coup, such as enlisting some elements of parliamentary machinery, judges of certain courts, etc who target the institutions responsible for ensuring legitimate elections. This is what is happening in India now-- the Dhankar episode, the vilification of ECI etc. From your point of view this is not as good as an outright election victory, but you can make enough of the citizenry believe that it was legitimate after the fact with propaganda from rented-media, academia, and NGO networks.

#3-- Color Revolution. This is an 'aandolan' type situation with rented crowds of protesters taking to the streets, disrupting public life etc. while rented judges rule in their favor and rented-media networks spread disinformation. This was attempted against the Manmohan Singh govt in 2013 with Kejriwal as the chosen proxy (remember IAC etc.) but it was thwarted because they completely ignored the rise of Modi as a dark horse. Once Modi came to power, they have attempted it again in specific areas (Shaheen Bagh/CAA, Agro-Dalal Protests over Farm Bills) but have always been outmaneuvered and never been able to gain sufficient traction for a regime change.

This Color Revolution technique has been used extensively for regime change in countries with weaker economic and political institutions, or countries where the prevailing economic and political hierarchies are at odds with shifting social structures. Examples: Georgia 2003, Kyrgyzstan 2005, Arab Spring 2011, Ukraine 2014, Bangladesh 2024, Nepal 2025. As many of those examples illustrate, it is much more difficult to control the outcome after the regime change, because you may either fail to achieve the desired succession, or even if you succeed the chances of your hand being exposed are substantial and the legitimacy of the puppet you place in charge is shaky.

#4-- Military Coup. We all know what this is. It works well in garbage dumps like Pakistan. But even in places like Maldives (1988) and Turkey (2016) it has failed badly. This is actually a really bad choice for the Regime Changer-- the new government lacks legitimacy and faces a lot of opposition both from national institutions and the angry public. Chances of your hand being exposed are high, and discovery of your covert support makes you less trusted and more hated in countries across the board. Also-- your testimonials are now effectively in the hands of the General (or other proxy) whom you put in charge. He can blackmail you by threatening to go over to China or Russia if you don't continue supporting and financing him. All in all, this is NOT a preferred way to go about it.

#5-- Assassination. This is the worst way to go about it because you have almost ZERO control of what will come next. The situation could instantly backfire and someone who supported the old ruler may come to power on a tidal wave of public sympathy, becoming your worse nightmare. Chances of discovery and exposure are very extreme.

BOTTOM LINE: Regime Change carries a risk and a reward like anything else. The method you choose for Regime Change also depends on opportunity. If you do not have the opportunity to use a Regime Change method that reduces risk and optimizes reward, you can either (a) try to create that opportunity wherever possible or (b) look for some other way to maximize your reward by working with the existing regime onlee-- this is often the best available option simply because of all these practical issues that impact strategy.

I just wanted to put this out there because there are so many dire mutterings and dhoti shiverings about what US is trying to do both in India and our neighbouring countries. Is there a danger? Of course there is. But let's not drink from the thrill of danger like a cold glass of Campa Cola without actually understanding the nuts and bolts of what it is. Once we have a clear understanding of how regime change works and how the adversary prefers to go about it, what your faultlines are and what his weaknesses are, then we can actually analyze the risk in any given situation, either in India or a neighbouring country, and determine the best course of action.
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A_Gupta wrote: 19 Sep 2025 22:00 IMO India was always surrounded by US military forces; we are just becoming more aware of it.
Next step of realisation is knowing that the Super powers like snakes inject venom first into the prey to start the digestion from the inside. Wrapping around to constrict and swallow are just the final steps.

The injection of the venom happened many years ago and all the four limbs (or pillars) have showed signs of the infection.

Amazing that the civilisation which holds the snake in high esteem was not able to see it while the civilisation which worships a mythical dragon could...
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I don't think that the us intends to go for a wholesale change in any entire country, rather they are imo trying to engineer breakaway chunks and then insert themselves as security guarantors between multiple entities

There is precedence, the very recent us as a guarantor role in the nagorno karabakh stretch, or the same in the eastern congo and rwanda region

Imho this is a winning move and will yield rich dividends, there is no way to counter this as a whole because short sighted groups of people are always happy to eke out small wins at the cost of the future, the only way to counter is by courting our our set of areas and peoples for continued autonomy
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Also i would like to say to the foreign think tank babus who are sitting with the grinning rictus of ever lasting hope that india will fall anyday now, india has survived when there was not enough to eat, hopes that the Indian establishments are dodgy and rickety and would succumb to the slightest pressure are laughable, we are as stable as the next anglo country, the way you do not count them to fall apart, that same rigour should be applied to the Indian adminstration
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Trump to Add New $100,000 Fee for H-1B Visas in Latest Crackdown
President Donald Trump is expected to sign a proclamation as soon as Friday that would move to extensively overhaul the H-1B visa program, requiring a $100,000 fee for applications in a bid to curb overuse, according to a White House official familiar with the matter.

Trump is set to sign a proclamation Friday, requiring the payment and asserting that abuse of the H-1B pathway has displaced US workers. The proclamation restricts entry under the H-1B program unless accompanied by the payment, added the official, who was granted anonymity to discuss the policy before it was announced.
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https://trumpstruth.org/statuses/33026
I am pleased to host President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, of Turkey, at the White House on September 25th. We are working on many Trade and Military Deals with the President, including the large scale purchase of Boeing aircraft, a major F-16 Deal, and a continuation of the F-35 talks, which we expect to conclude positively. President Erdoğan and I have always had a very good relationship. I look forward to seeing him on the 25th!
How do these Islamists manage to get the support of the Orangutan is a wonder. Wait there is more.
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