And I propose new thread for next one - AMERICA -Bharadwaj wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 06:27 Admiral thread ko band kar do..
Defence Ministry receives IAF's proposal for buying 114 'Made in India' Rafale fighter jets
https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 912193232/
12 Sept 2025
Being discussed in detail over here ---> viewtopic.php?p=2659445#p2659445Bharadwaj wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 06:27 Admiral, thread ko band kar do..
Defence Ministry receives IAF's proposal for buying 114 'Made in India' Rafale fighter jets
https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 912193232/
12 Sept 2025
GaN is a band aid for that limited aperture, ECCM improves but cant reverse range-detection adversity. A large PESA on a J20 can outlook the Rafale. Rafale still struggles to see frontal J20. Situation worsens if offboard sensors are used, even if Spectra defeats J20s radar.
His suggestion,It's not API alone. You need access to multiple systems including radar, mission computer, datalinks, structural capability, pylon control units/WIBS etc.
----------------------------------------Increase the IAF capex budget. Buy 2 squadrons of Rafale, 2-3 Su57. Integrate them to IACCS. Deconflict EW, accelerate Mk1A, Mk2, Su30 Upgrades and most importantly AMCA, Netra, engines, EW. Create a national anti-advanced targets/EW/ munitions effort to assist the shooters.
India signed the 36 Rafale deal in 2016. Nine years later, Rafales still lack the X-Guard we paid France to integrate. The perks of imports and our inability to question them.
9 Yearsjustify that..
Other than X-Guard is there any other important ISE that remains unfulfilled?There’s no battle here, my friend. My simple point is this: I cannot justify defending a costlier import when key India-specific enhancements remain undelivered even after a decade. Saying this may not be popular, but it’s the truth.
Look at the priorities: China has invested nearly $43 billion in its own engine program. Meanwhile, in India, we are busy defending a $30–40 billion import of 114 French jets, a platform with a decade-long track record of missing subsystems. I’m not insinuating anything; I’m just putting facts on the table.
Hriday wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 19:36 Several comments by Firestarter in X about the option of Rafale for the 114 MRCA order.
https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1967 ... c4PCA&s=19GaN is a band aid for that limited aperture, ECCM improves but cant reverse range-detection adversity. A large PESA on a J20 can outlook the Rafale. Rafale still struggles to see frontal J20. Situation worsens if offboard sensors are used, even if Spectra defeats J20s radar.His suggestion,It's not API alone. You need access to multiple systems including radar, mission computer, datalinks, structural capability, pylon control units/WIBS etc.Increase the IAF capex budget. Buy 2 squadrons of Rafale, 2-3 Su57. Integrate them to IACCS. Deconflict EW, accelerate Mk1A, Mk2, Su30 Upgrades and most importantly AMCA, Netra, engines, EW. Create a national anti-advanced targets/EW/ munitions effort to assist the shooters.
This is the way. The raffle cannot be bought in numbers. Too pricey. 
Not entirely needless Bharadwaj ji.Bharadwaj wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 16:57 There is needless rhona dhona everywhere regarding the stealth threats we face. I admit till recently I was one of the those doing it. Even the Chinese have revealed bvr kills in simulated combat by the j-10 on stealth platforms presumably the j-20. This was done with awacs targeting. The article is floating around and can be found by google search. The Raffy is capable of dealing with the j-20 if the Netra mk2 is the guidance system.....
No indeed you didn't, Bharadwaj ji, and my apologies if i somehow made it sound like you did.Bharadwaj wrote: ↑20 Sep 2025 20:29 Manish ji I am very much pointing out that it is not a one on one fight and both the rafale and tejas will be relevant with the right support from an awacs system and even space based sensors. Amca will come but the an aircraft(su-57) that has the fundamentals of stealth wrong need not be the gap filler. I would also never advocate for fat Amy given everything we have seen in the past and see now.
The problems I have with this article areHowever, with regional tensions escalating, particularly amid reports of China offering its J-31 stealth fighter to Pakistan, the IAF has turned to the Su-57, not for its fifth-generation features, but for its ability to address immediate operational needs.
One of the key factors working in favour of the Su-57 is its capability to carry heavier munitions with very long range capability.
Su-34 is in no way a proper fighter. It is primarily a fighter-bomber with emphasis on it's large payload carrying capability and range. Also, has a huge RCS and is in no way optimized to reduce it's RCS in any way.Manish_P wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 11:27 ^ Do they (the print) take questions?
If yes, ask them why not the Su-34.
34 is also greater than 30.
And it has lot of commonality with the Su-30. Can carry loads of weapons, including the kinzhal, over very long distances.
It even has a toilet on board. And best of all the two pilots sit side by side so that they can play Ludo after putting the plane in auto pilot mode.
If an OTS acquisition is planned, then we'll have to take the Su-57 as it is today with some minor changes like cockpit instruments reading out in English, integration of SDR datalink, etc. But if the HAL production line for the Su-57 on the existing Su-30MKI line does go through, it'll ideally have to be a deeper mod with Uttam Mk2 GaN radar, indigenous EW jamming equipment, Indian mission computer, Targo HMDS, etc. Then only we can take over the platform on our own, the way the Su-30MKI was.Bharadwaj wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:22 Mitron the felon does indeed appear to be on its way.
https://theprint.in/defence/india-takes ... y/2748520/
India takes a relook at Russian Su-57, but not for its stealth. Here’s why
The problems I have with this article areHowever, with regional tensions escalating, particularly amid reports of China offering its J-31 stealth fighter to Pakistan, the IAF has turned to the Su-57, not for its fifth-generation features, but for its ability to address immediate operational needs.
One of the key factors working in favour of the Su-57 is its capability to carry heavier munitions with very long range capability.
1. r37 does not fit in weapons bay of su57 so gives no advantage over mki.
2. Kinzhal also has same issue.
3. su-57 has a small radar further reducing any advantage over the mki
We may as well order another 6 squadrons of mki than get into this mess.
Ok Kartik sir. I will accept it but only if it comes with a separate screen where the pilot can play online games with his buddies... long missions can get so boring. Don't want to risk the pilot falling asleep.
Kartik wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 11:34
Su-34 is in no way a proper fighter. It is primarily a fighter-bomber with emphasis on it's large payload carrying capability and range. Also, has a huge RCS and is in no way optimized to reduce it's RCS in any way.
Su-57 was designed as a stealth fighter, although the emphasis wasn't as high on stealth as it was on performance.
In every sense, the Su-57 is a more capable fighter, will be more multi-role than the Su-34.
The F-35 cannot be acquired, due to India operating the S-400 and discussing for more + negotiating for the S-500 as well. In light of this fact, the US Govt cannot permit the export of the F-35 to India. Secondly, the F-35 is a sovereignty killer and that will not be palatable to the Indian establishment.