Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[gakakkad]

What are the Saudis scared of . It's the largest Islamic country that's against Muslim brotherhood. ie their government. Are they scared of an Arab spring type uprising ? So porkis are asked to do chowkidari ?

[sudhan]

Whatever it is that the Saudis want, they better get the best out of the deal immediately.

Invoke the mutual defence clause for their needs, before the Pakis do..

Also, am sure they have worked enough loopholes into the treaty (By dangling cash infront of the Failed Marshal) to give themselves room to wiggle out of a potential showdown against India.

[williams]

Whatever it is that the Saudis want, they better get the best out of the deal immediately.

Invoke the mutual defence clause for their needs, before the Pakis do..

Also, am sure they have worked enough loopholes into the treaty (By dangling cash infront of the Failed Marshal) to give themselves room to wiggle out of a potential showdown against India.

Islamic culture - treaties don't matter. They will do what they need to preserve themselves when the time comes. Treaties are pieces of paper for posturing and to bide time. So don't think these treaties mean anything like how our IFS babus treat them. That is one of the problem we have we think things like Simla agreement mean something for the Pakis. So in this case both parties know that they will run away when the rubber hits the road

[drnayar]

https://x.com/pakistan_untold/status/19 ... 5756384517

"Pak journalist: Now Saudi will attack India if India resumes Op Sindoor.

Former Indian Ambassador to Saudi: Don't parrot Pak propaganda. Saudi will never attack India for Pak"

Pak journ: But saar pact saar


good watch !!..

[drnayar]

What are the Saudis scared of . It's the largest Islamic country that's against Muslim brotherhood. ie their government. Are they scared of an Arab spring type uprising ? So porkis are asked to do chowkidari ?

they need some cannon fodder.. border with yemen etc will be warming up soon

[Luxtor]

As mentioned by another BRite above, India doesn't have anything to worry about the Saudis attacking India on behalf of the pukis if you observed the fighting capabilities of the Saudis over decades, especially during the two gulf wars, where the Americans repeatedly had to go in and rescue the Saudis against the Iraqis. This was after decades of comprehensive training and equipping by the West, especially the Americans.

[SSridhar]

Guys, relax.

The Saudis are just asking TSP to give them back their maal and they are formalizing it through an agreement.

The Saudis have a disproportionate influence over TSP which neither the US nor China has.

It is not like 25 years before in the relations between India & KSA. King Fahd, Prince Sultan (defence minister) and Prince Saud Al-Faisal (foreign minister) who shaped the foreign policy for much of those days are no longer there. This triumvirate was decidedly anti-Indian. King Abdullah who took over after Fahd and whom many expected to be even more hawkish, turned out to be otherwise. He quietly changed the India-Saudi narrative. MBS who is ruling on behalf of King Salman (probably the last of the Sudairi Seven) has taken it to a different level.

The Saudis had pursued the nuke ambition for too long. They didn't get the earlier liquid-fuelled Chinese missiles (replaced later with DF-21s) for nothing. They had always feared the Iranians. The Chinese-mediated thaw in the KSA-Iran relationship can never diminish the deep-seated animosity. The Saudis fear the Iranians even more today with their proxies, the Houthis, at the Saudi border. They recruited Gen Rahil Sharif to lead the Muslim Forces Against Terrorism (IMFAT) but it came a cropper. No Arab of GCC nations can fight. Now, they are not sure that Iran's nuke-making capacity has been totally wiped out in the B2 bombing. They are more than skeptical that with Trump around, the US would even stop an Iranian nuclear attack.

While the Saudi-fear of Iran is one reason, they also do not want to be bombed by Israel like in Qatar. That will severely dent the image of the Al-Saud dynasty. MBS has too many enemies, not the least the Wahhabi religious clerics who have been utterly disempowered. The oil-bearing and oil-refining East Coast (Dhahran, Jubail et al) have very sizeable Shia population (extending all the way along the coast from Kuwait to Qatar) who have always been very angry with the Al-Saud dynasty. Since the siege of Makkah in 1979, the Pakistani military protects the Al Yamamh palace in Riyadh.

IMO, this is neither a China-mediated nor a US-mediated deal. It is organic. I am not sure if this is even a well thought out agreement. Looks more like a knee-jerk reaction. MBS is quite impulsive. That clause, 'against one is against both' is in a different context and exceptions cannot be listed in the agreement.

IMO, this is not so bothersome for us though we need to engage the Saudis on this issue and be on our guard.

[S_Madhukar]

So the question is will the TFTA fauj be deployed for good in KSA and will that leave a sufficient gap for us to exploit for our needs - I would rather that their best earn good riyals while allowing us the latitude to do as we please

[drnayar]

The only possible issue is

pakis

1] Gain of strategic depth
2] Access to Saudi military hardware [ mostly newer models American fighters, etc]

5 E-3A and 3 KE-3A Sentry
Saudi Tanker Fleet A330s
Tornados , F15 SA

Would be intersting to see how this can possbly affect IAF tactics

[Tanaji]

There is zero chance SA will provide assets like F15 and Sentry. Lots of spare parts and missiles? Probably. Tankers? Maybe.

Rest is hawabaazi by Pakis.

[Vayutuvan]

https://x.com/pakistan_untold/status/19 ... 5756384517
"Pak journalist: Now Saudi will attack India if India resumes Op Sindoor.

"Pak journalist". You got me there.

[Amber G.]

This Canadian Journalist has some points

India needs to understand why Pakistan thinks that it won the war. This isn’t a normal state that cares about high value targets, geo-strategic positioning or even their airbases.
There are two metrics which Pakistanis (jihadists) measure any conflict. Did we kill Hindus? Did we gain or lose any land?
The targeted murder of Hindus in Kashmir means that one of their war aims was completed before India fired back and the fact that the Islamic world lost no land to the infidels means that the war was a total victory.
To be blunt, if Pakistan were to attack tomorrow and lose 1 million men, 100 aircraft and have their cities blown to bits but managed to kill one Hindu and the border remains the same, that is a Pakistani victory. All of those dead Muslims go to heaven, so that is a win. There is a dead Hindu, so that is another win and the Ummah didn’t shrink which is the ultimate win.
All this being said it means that Operation Sindoor part 2 will happen in response to some terrorist attack and if you want to avoid Operation Sindoor part 3 and deter further terrorism you will need to take at least 1km of land on the border of Kashmir from Pakistan and turn it into a buffer zone (I’d build a bunch of Hindu temples as well).
The entire world will screech uncontrollably like they do when Israel has to defend itself, but that will be the price for peace and stability.

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[Aditya_V]

Occupying 1 km is useless and Pakistani are not normal, they are also paid by the rest of the world to behave exactly that way, Operation Sindoor was a huge successful, but until we reverse the last few hundred years of history there will no peace. But it will take time,

[Amber G.]

^^^"to take at least 1km of land" was tongue cheek ...part about .
"The entire world will screech uncontrollably like they do when Israel has to defend itself, but that will be the price for peace and stability.'' has some nice points...about the need for Bharat to do what it needs to do..

[Aditya_V]

Today we are much stronger relatively than what we were 40 years, our Problems with Pakistan will take time, its full dimensional conflict where only 1 set of population can survive, But for that entire BIF ecosystem is involved. There is no quick fix for it.

[Amber G.]

Terror Group Lashkar Building Camp In New Area After Indian Strikes In Operation Sindoor In May:
Videos Show Lashkar Building Terror Camp In New Area After Indian Strikes In May
Apparently Oraung tuan (Lord) is giving Pakistan $500M to rebuild the airbases destroyed by IAF.
Most likely majority of the funds will come back to his family as crypto loot.

[Prem Kumar]

We can expect the Pakis to carry out a terror attack *while* US construction firms are repairing PAF bases

Genius Munir will calculate that India won't hit airbases where US civilians are working

We must warn Americans to evacuate, if such an eventuality arises

[Aditya_V]

The Americans know the Pakis far better than us, they know exactly what they are doing. Us warning- not warning them makes no difference. There plans for the world and what we see how the world should be are a bit different.

[ramana]

Another video. Don't know if it's already posted here.

https://youtu.be/WeL6XO2hFuI?si=rsQaia-10TMB48S6

[chetak]

India today has very carefully omitted to mention that the intense international pressure was applied by condoliza rice

This is a fact that chidu himself admitted in his revelation

now, will the dopy dynaaast admit who actually surrendered, Modi ji or the mamamia mafiosi...........

[Rakesh]

Interesting admission from a Pak source!

https://x.com/JaidevJamwal/status/1973628058637836612 ---> Seems like Pakis lost at least two aircraft while trying to destroy S-400 during Operation Sindoor. Who sends valued pilots and expensive aircraft on suicide missions to defend muslim terrorists? Who else but Paki uniformed terrorists!

[Dilbu]

Something is going on in Sir Creek. RM has specifically warned TSP against any misadventures in the sector.
What's brewing at Sir Creek? All about decades-long dispute between India, Pak

Any misadventure by Pakistan in the Sir Creek sector will invite a decisive response, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh warned on Thursday, adding that the reply would be so strong it could “change both history and geography.”

He said, “India has made several attempts to resolve the issue through dialogue, but Pakistan's intentions remain unclear. The recent expansion of its military infrastructure near Sir Creek reveals these intentions.”

Speaking at an event in Bhuj, Gujarat, on the occasion of the Hindu festival Dussehra, Singh accused Pakistan of harbouring “ill intentions” regarding Sir Creek, despite India’s repeated efforts to resolve the matter through dialogue. “The way Pakistan has expanded its military infrastructure in the areas adjoining Sir Creek exposes its intentions,” he said.

'Route to Karachi through...': Rajnath Singh's big warning to Pakistan over military build-up near Sir Creek

Defence minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday issued a stern warning to Pakistan over its recent military build-up near the Sir Creek region, declaring that any misadventure would result in a response so robust that it could “change both history and geography”.

[VKumar]

Many years ago Army and BSF had tendered for hovercraft for use in marry areas and water bodies like in Kutch and Sunderbans. Wonder if it progressed?

[SRajesh]

The importance of Sir Creek apart from bountiful fishing is the potential for hydrocarbon deposits
There’s been a constant push by Jihadis
And TSP won’t push unless there’s money to be made

[RCase]

Interesting admission from a Pak source!

... a testament that Pakistan's sons will face any peril to keep the skies free ....

Sure, the Pakis did their customary thing by keeping the skies free for Indian Air Force and 'Harmos' missiles. Despite facing the peril of Indian missiles raining raining down on them, they decided to keep the skies free by not intercepting the incoming barrage.

Basically what he is saying is that two pilots went on a suicide mission to take on the S-400 and were still unsuccessful! No worries, they could count on their ATM access to 2 x 72 houris.

[SSridhar]

India today has very carefully omitted to mention that the intense international pressure was applied by condoliza rice

This is a fact that chidu himself admitted in his revelation

now, will the dopy dynaaast admit who actually surrendered, Modi ji or the mamamia mafiosi...........

Chetak ji,
Apart from that, it is interesting that retribution only just 'crossed' his mind. What a pathetic state of mind should that be, and has always been !

[SSridhar]

Detailing India's offence on Pakistan, the IAF chief said, “As far as Pakistan's losses are concerned...we have struck a large number of their airfields and we struck a large number of installations...Because of these strikes, radars at least four places, command and control centres at two places, runways of course damaged at two places, then three of their hangars in three different stations have been damaged. We have signs of one C-130 class of aircraft...and at least 4 to 5 fighter aircraft, most likely F-16, because that place happened to be F-16 with whatever was under maintenance at that time. Along with that, one SAM system has been destroyed...We have clear evidence of one long-range strike, which I talked about more than 300 km, which happened to be either an AEW&C or a significant aircraft, along with that five high-tech fighters between F-16 and JF 17 class this is what our system tells us"

'Could look deep inside': IAF chief reveals 'longest kill' during Op Sindoor; shares losses suffered by Pak

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/RShivshankar/status/1974016708999250301 ---> "INDIA ACHIEVED LONGEST KILL IN AVIATION HISTORY": Air Chief Marshal AP Singh

[bala]

xPosting:

Pakistan asked for ceasefire; we ended hostilities after meeting objectives: ACM AP Singh

Air Chief Marshal AP Singh said India’s decisive action during Operation Sindoor forced Pakistan to seek a ceasefire, demonstrating strategic planning and execution that the world can learn from.

[Aditya_V]

I think it was good decision to quit while we were ahead, we are not yet powerful enough to take on the world and get the necessary solutions for Pakistan.

But Notice, Not one person is asking for Elephant walk of PAF assets
1. F-16
2. J10C
3 JF 17
4 Saab 2000 AEW
5 C-130 H

Whereas the desperation on some media linked to the Indian Opposition to show IAF in a Bad light, many wanted IAF to prove no losses and some Indians verbatim quoted the PAF claims without any basis.

I think the video from POK shows a Mirage 5 down, I think it was crash due to Technical Failure, The PAF Mirages are probably in really bad shape. The French have stopped making Parts 25-30 years ago, all cannibalized parts are worn down, in a war many will crash in 1 or 2 sorties. Even F-7PG fleet is out. JF-17 have faired poorly in Both 2019 and 2025. The PAF fleet is virtually J10C and F-16's.

Paki Awam - most of them know they lost, this means to Paki Fauji has to do something to regain H&D.

We therefore have to double down on Indian Air Defense, Artillery, Drones, IAF Strike Platforms etc. Now that Monsoon is over Pakis and their Backers will definitely try something Fishy.

[Hriday]

[...We have clear evidence of one long-range strike, which I talked about more than 300 km, which happened to be either an AEW&C or a significant aircraft, along with that five high-tech fighters between F-16 and JF 17 class this is what our system tells us"

'Could look deep inside': IAF chief reveals 'longest kill' during Op Sindoor; shares losses suffered by Pak
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Why is IAF unsure of whether it is an AEW&C or some SIGINT/jammer aircraft? Does it mean that AEW&C was flying without emitting radar waves and was working on SIGINT mode?