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https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1983770554357440585
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The reason why Tejas Mk1A has more TRMs than Dassault Rafale is a design trade-off. Rafale’s nose cone also accommodates large LRUs like the FSO (Formidable System).
The compactness of the platform is another reason why its in-flight refueling probe is fixed.
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From Safran to Rafale: How India's Defence Deals Are Powering a New 'Atmanirbhar' Era
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/from ... -153070465
29 Oct 2025

India to boost air-to-air combat capabilities with more Meteor missiles
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Cross posting from Missile thread...

Additional Meteor for IAF's Rafale | Rs 1500 Crore worth missile order | हिंदी में

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https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1985655311802515501 ----> Today, Dassault Aviation inaugurated the new premises of its Dassault Aircraft Services India – Engineering Center (DASI-EC) in Pune, Maharashtra. This significant expansion will double the centre's capacity to accommodate over 150 engineers and meet its offset obligations under the Rafale contract.

Dassault: "The Pune Engineering Centre plays a crucial role in supporting the transfer of Rafale and Falcon production to India, contributing to the nation's self-sufficiency in aeronautics and positioning it as a leading hub for technological innovation and industrial excellence".
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Is India’s Looming Mega-Deal For 114 Rafales Worth It?
https://www.livefistdefence.com/is-indi ... -worth-it/
04 Nov 2025


The wheels are in motion and the Indian Air Force’s official files proposing the procurement of 114 Rafale fighters (and, in effect, ending the pursuit of a competitive process) are now at the Ministry of Defence. Bolstered by performance during Operation Sindoor and the Indian Navy’s conclusion of a deal for 26 Rafale-M deck based fighters, the IAF has cleared the air on its intent. Any deal for 114 Rafales, needless to say, will not only be exorbitantly expensive, but also the single biggest defence deal India will ever have signed. The sheer size and audacity of such a deal, which will necessarily involve a major local-build component, raises several questions that require a threadbare analysis. Is there a case for France shifting Rafale production lock-stock to India? What will India really get from this deal apart from the ability to assemble jets in India, something it has done for decades? Does India truly get full access to the core technologies, both mechanical and electronic? Does this deal carry enough financial muscle to bake in technology for an engine? Do old questions about how engine tech can never be shared no matter what the deal size get washed away? Will India be able to mate its own weapons to the Rafale without frictions of the last few years? Does such a deal leave India with a severely committed air power budget that leaves near nothing for stealth aircraft programs and potential procurement? All of those questions featured in a detailed discussion in Episode 25 of Ctrl-Alt-Defence, a weekly podcast led by Livefist founder and NDTV Managing Editor Shiv Aroor with NDTV veteran Vishnu Som.

Is The Rafale Good Enough For IAF's Future Needs?

Join Vishnu Som and Shiv Aroor in the latest installment of #CtrlAltDefence for a look at the future of the Rafale based on its wartime use during Op Sindoor. We also puncture Pak propaganda on their capture of IAF Squadron Leader Shivangi Singh, who appeared in a photograph with President Murmu earlier this week. But the big questions on the Rafale remains - the IAF wants 114 more jets - but this will break the bank. Is the government willing to make this investment? Will Dassault, the manufacturer of the jet be ready for serious tech transfer to India if the jet is assembled here? Will Indian weapons such as the Astra 2 be integrated? Will there be problems in agreeing to the terms of integration? All that and a lot more in this deep-dive into the future of the Rafale in IAF service.

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Is Shiv Aroor stupid to even ask whether France would shift Rafale production to India "Lock Stock and Barrel"??

Is he unaware of the fact that the existing backlog for the Rafale is nearly 200 fighters and that is without even considering the upcoming order for 60 more Rafales from France?? As if they would destroy their own fighter industry just to get an order from India.
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Shiv and other reporters make statements like this for TRPs. They need viewers to watch and then they only answer their own question. Later in the video, he does state that France will keep its crown jewels (on the Rafale) to itself. I am sure you saw the promotion of NDTV throughout the video.
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Rafale Fleet to Receive 24×7 OEM Support — Thales Sends Permanent Representative to Ambala
https://indianmasterminds.com/news/thal ... ce-157130/
04 Nov 2025

In a significant step for India’s air-combat readiness, French aerospace and defence major Thales is poised to position a permanent company representative at the Ambala Air Force Station (AFS)—home to the first squadron of Rafale fighters operated by the Indian Air Force (IAF). This milestone reflects deepening Indo-French defence cooperation, but also raises important questions around mission-critical avionics dependence and sovereign control.

The Rafale fighter platform, procured by India from French company Dassault Aviation, features advanced avionics, sensors and electronic-warfare suites supplied by Thales, including the RBE2 AESA radar and SPECTRA system. According to the news item, Thales’ step comes under the sustainment and performance-based logistics framework for India’s Rafale fleet. The Ambala AFS, located on India’s western front, is strategically vital and hosts one of the IAF’s Rafale squadrons. Ensuring high sortie rates and mission availability for Rafales requires timely maintenance of sophisticated sensors and avionics—the domain where Thales will now have a standing presence onsite.

Major Highlights of the Deal

Thales will station a representative permanently at Ambala AFS to oversee maintenance and technical support for avionics, radar and sensor subsystems of the Rafale fleet.

→ The move formalises Thales’ long-term maintenance commitment under India’s performance-based-logistics (PBL) framework for Rafales.

→ On-ground presence of Thales’ personnel promises real-time diagnostics, faster repair cycles and seamless spares management, thereby enhancing readiness and sortie generation for the IAF.

Strategic Significance & Implications of the Thales’ Permanent Representative

Enhanced Readiness and Operational Availability: With Thales embedded at Ambala AFS, the IAF stands to gain improved operational availability of its Rafale squadrons along the sensitive western border. Faster turnaround of avionics repairs and sensor recalibrations can lead to higher mission readiness and enhanced deterrence posture.

Sovereignty vs Support-Dependence: However, the arrangement also underscores India’s continuing reliance on foreign OEMs for mission-critical subsystems. While readiness improves, sovereignty over avionics upgrades, sensor integration or third-party weapon interface remains constrained. The news commentary emphasises this dual-edged scenario: greater availability, but limited system autonomy.

Indo-French Defence Ecosystem Deepening: The move represents another layer in the growing strategic partnership between India and France in defence manufacturing, support and systems integration. Thales’ presence onsite signals the maturity of the cooperation, moving beyond procurement to long-term support and logistics. The collaboration may also aid future Indian aerospace programmes by providing exposure to next-gen sensor maintenance protocols.

Context within Rafale Sustainment Framework: The Rafale platform’s avionics, including the RBE2 AESA radar and SPECTRA EW suite, are proprietary and largely supplied by Thales. India has sought to integrate indigenous systems, but has repeatedly faced resistance due to export-licence and certification constraints. The permanent presence of Thales at Ambala brings logistical assurance but also highlights the roadmap still to be traversed for full system sovereignty.

What This Means for the Indian Air Force (IAF)

→ Faster turnaround for radar and EW system issues means higher sortie rates, especially in high-tension western theatre.

→ A dedicated OEM liaison onsite reduces logistical bottlenecks, such as waiting for spares or external diagnostic support.

→ The arrangement may become a template for other platforms with foreign OEM-supplied critical subsystems, thereby improving lifecycle support across the IAF.
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Article below has been translated from Hindi.

New Rafale post at Gwalior airbase! IAF gears up for big fighter jet base, will have a direct eye on China-Pakistan border
https://zeenews.india.com/hindi/zee-hin ... ce/3004905
15 Nov 2025

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has quietly made a major strategic move. It is reported that Gwalior Air Force Station has been upgraded. So that additional squadrons of Dassault Rafale fighter jets can be deployed here. At present, one squadron each from Rafale is posted in Ambala and Hasimara. Now Gwalior has also been prepared for the future. India is planning to buy 114 new fighter jets under the MRFA programme. In such a situation, it was necessary for the IAF.

How did Gwalior change?

The work of the upgrade started in the beginning of 2024. It was almost completed by 2025. Now this base is not just the house of Mirage-2000. It has become a completely Rafale-ready airbase.

Major changes on the base

New hangers and shelters have been built for 18 to 20 Rafale jets. Advanced maintenance facilities have been provided here. The runway and support system have been upgraded. In total, this 1,500-acre airbase can now handle operations on a large scale simultaneously. The location of Gwalior will help it in training and logistics. This station will make it easier to deploy faster in any direction if needed.

What is the problem of IAF?

The squadron number of the Air Force is currently only 31 as compared to 42. In such a situation, it is necessary to prepare for the new base, so that the upcoming future fighter aircraft can be deployed safely and spread. Ambala (17 Squadron) and Hasimara (101 Squadron) are already under pressure. Gwalior will become the third strong centre.

How much did it cost on the Gwalior upgrade?

Around Rs 1200 crore has been spent on upgrading the airbase. Along with Indian technology, French company Thales has also been used. The early experience of the Ambala airbase, such as the dust problem, has been learned. At the same time, better filter and clean infrastructure has been installed in Gwalior. Gwalior may have the first Rafale squadron by 2028. It will be either the Number 20 squadron or the IAF can create a new squadron for it.

India's big MRFA deal

The IAF is planning to buy 114 fighter jets. The Rafale is pitted against the F-21, Eurofighter and Gripen. France's record 36 Rafales are delivered on time and the preparation for manufacturing in India gives it an edge.
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Rakesh wrote: 05 Nov 2025 18:24 Shiv and other reporters make statements like this for TRPs. They need viewers to watch and then they only answer their own question. Later in the video, he does state that France will keep its crown jewels (on the Rafale) to itself. I am sure you saw the promotion of NDTV throughout the video.
Oh their self aggrandization and glorification really puts me off. TBH, they talk stuff that is generic at best and has very little technicalities but act like they're some of the greatest defence "analysts" in India. If you watch Sandeep Unnithan's podcasts OTOH who actually knows a LOT, you'll see what a difference there is between these two who self glorify relentlessly and Sandeep.
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Between 2022 and now, the reality as borne out by latest satellite imagery dated 13sept25 on google is as follows:
1. New hangars - nil, though one appears to have had its roof replaced
2. New hardened shelters - construction of two new HAS was started, now about 6 months away from completion
3. New sun/environment shelters - nil

Rakesh wrote: 17 Nov 2025 02:07 Article below has been translated from Hindi.

New Rafale post at Gwalior airbase! IAF gears up for big fighter jet base, will have a direct eye on China-Pakistan border
https://zeenews.india.com/hindi/zee-hin ... ce/3004905
15 Nov 2025
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VIDEO: https://x.com/narendramodi/status/19935 ... 40435?s=20 ---> Speaking at the inauguration of Safran Aircraft Engine Services India in Hyderabad. This facility will strengthen India’s position as a global MRO hub.

VIDEO: https://x.com/TheNaveena/status/1993561 ... 80907?s=20 ---> CM Revanth Reddy invited PM Narendra Modi to the “Telangana Rising 2047 – Global Summit” at Bharat Future City on December 8th and 9th. The CM requested the PM to declare the Bengaluru - Hyderabad stretch as a Defence & Aerospace Corridor. Aerospace and defence exports from Telangana doubled last year, reaching ₹30,742 crore in just nine months - overtaking pharma exports for the first time.

VIDEO: https://x.com/AsianetNewsEN/status/1993 ... 75217?s=20 ---> Safran Chief’s Big Message for India | HAL, Rafale & Chandrayaan 3. Safran Chairman Ross McInnes hailed India as a crucial defence and space partner while inaugurating Safran Aircraft Engine Services India. He praised HAL collaborations, confirmed Aravalli engine co-development, highlighted Rafale–Mirage support, and celebrated Safran’s contribution to Chandrayaan-3’s onboard equipment and communication systems.
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https://x.com/DefProdnIndia/status/1992 ... 66295?s=20 ---> In a major boost to #MakeinIndia & #AatmanirbharDefence. Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) and Safran Electronics and Defence (SED), France have signed a Joint Venture Cooperation Agreement (JVCA) for the production of Highly Agile Modular Munition Extended Range (HAMMER) Smart Precision Guided Air-to-Ground Weapon in India. The JVCA was inked by CMD, BEL Shri Manoj Jain and Executive Vice President, SED Mr. Alexandre Ziegler in the presence of Secretary (Defence Production) Shri Sanjeev Kumar & CEO Safran Mr. Olivier Andries in New Delhi on 24 November 2025.

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Safran steps up expansion in India for civil and military aviation and deepens commitment to “Make in India”
https://www.safran-group.com/pressroom/ ... 2025-11-26
26 Nov 2025

Safran to triple its India ops revenue to over €3 billion by 2030
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 580836.cms
26 Nov 2025

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Olivier Andriès (Safran CEO) is standing 8th from left and right next to the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Revanth Reddy.

https://x.com/HeyItsRoyal/status/199367 ... 56803?s=20 ---> Safran has opened its largest CFM LEAP MRO unit in Hyderabad, plus a €40 million M88 MRO center for Rafale engines. The 5,000 sq m site will handle 600+ M88 modules a year, prioritising IAF Rafales and exports. India has 36 Rafale C/Bs, 47 Mirage 2000s, and 26 Rafale Ms on order.

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Rakesh wrote: 26 Nov 2025 19:37 https://x.com/HeyItsRoyal/status/199367 ... 56803?s=20 ---> Safran has opened its largest CFM LEAP MRO unit in Hyderabad, plus a €40 million M88 MRO center for Rafale engines. The 5,000 sq m site will handle 600+ M88 modules a year, prioritising IAF Rafales and exports. India has 36 Rafale C/Bs, 47 Mirage 2000s, and 26 Rafale Ms on order.
OEMs do not setup shop (i.e. MRO for M88 turbofan) and PGM assembly (i.e. Hammer) for *JUST* 36 + 26 Rafale C/B/M.

If You Know, You Know :mrgreen:

https://x.com/BLACKTIGER1612/status/199 ... 71912?s=20 --->

French company Safran's steps up expansion in India for civil and military aviation:
* Inauguration in Hyderabad of world’s largest LEAP engine maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) center
* Groundbreaking of first MRO shop outside France for M88 engine powering the Rafale
* Signature of a Joint Venture and Cooperation Agreement with BEL to manufacture locally “Hammer” air to surface weapon

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Rakesh wrote: 26 Nov 2025 19:46 OEMs do not setup shop (i.e. MRO for M88 turbofan) and PGM assembly (i.e. Hammer) for *JUST* 36 + 26 Rafale C/B/M.

If You Know, You Know :mrgreen:
France's Safran commits to Rafale engine assembly line in India for new orders
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 31421.html
26 Nov 2025

Safran open to M88 engine plant in India if more Rafales are ordered: CEO
https://www.business-standard.com/compa ... 568_1.html
26 Nov 2025
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Rakesh wrote: 26 Nov 2025 19:34 https://x.com/DefProdnIndia/status/1992 ... 66295?s=20 ---> In a major boost to #MakeinIndia & #AatmanirbharDefence. Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) and Safran Electronics and Defence (SED), France have signed a Joint Venture Cooperation Agreement (JVCA) for the production of Highly Agile Modular Munition Extended Range (HAMMER) Smart Precision Guided Air-to-Ground Weapon in India. The JVCA was inked by CMD, BEL Shri Manoj Jain and Executive Vice President, SED Mr. Alexandre Ziegler in the presence of Secretary (Defence Production) Shri Sanjeev Kumar & CEO Safran Mr. Olivier Andries in New Delhi on 24 November 2025.
India begins indigenous production of AASM HAMMER smart bombs with BEL – Safran joint venture
https://centauros.gr/i-india-xekina-egc ... el-safran/
26 Nov 2025

India has taken a decisive step towards defence autonomy by inaugurating a joint venture between Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) and France's Safran Electronics & Defense for the indigenous production of AASM HAMMER smart bombs. The deal is part of the Atmanirbhar Bharat initiative, which aims to reduce dependence on foreign supplies and enhance the country's strategic sovereignty. The HAMMER bombs will be integrated into the Rafale and Tejas fighter jets, offering long-range precision capabilities. The system transforms conventional bombs into high-tech weapons, with GPS/INS, infrared or laser guidance, allowing strikes on fortified targets from a safe distance and in any weather conditions.

Local production will be implemented in phases, aiming to achieve 60% domestic participation. BEL will undertake final assembly, testing and certification, leveraging its experience in avionics and military systems. The move strengthens India's operational preparedness in the face of tensions with neighboring powers and growing competition in the Indo-Pacific region. It also creates export prospects, as HAMMER has already been tested in international theaters of operations and is used by countries such as France, Ukraine and Egypt. The integration of HAMMER into the Rafale and Tejas transforms India into a producer of advanced precision weapons, enhancing its autonomy and adding new dynamics to its air capabilities.
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Rakesh wrote: 26 Nov 2025 19:10 VIDEO: https://x.com/narendramodi/status/19935 ... 40435?s=20 ---> Speaking at the inauguration of Safran Aircraft Engine Services India in Hyderabad. This facility will strengthen India’s position as a global MRO hub.
This is the MRO facility in Hyderabad that was inaugurated....

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1993 ... 46843?s=20 ---> PM Modi to inaugurate the Safran Aircraft Engine Services India facility in Hyderabad.

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Rakesh wrote: 26 Nov 2025 19:10 VIDEO: https://x.com/narendramodi/status/19935 ... 40435?s=20 ---> Speaking at the inauguration of Safran Aircraft Engine Services India in Hyderabad. This facility will strengthen India’s position as a global MRO hub.
https://x.com/KTRBRS/status/1544586712080207873?s=20 ---> Jubilant to welcome @SAFRAN group’s decision to select Hyderabad for its Mega Aero Engine MRO in India. This will be SAFRAN’s largest MRO globally and will be the first Engine MRO established by a global OEM in India. The MRO and engine test cell will have an initial investment of US $150 million and is expected to create 800 – 1,000 high skilled employment. It will service their market leading Leap 1A and Leap 1B aero engines used by Indian and foreign commercial airlines. This Engine MRO project is expected to have a huge multiplier effect on the local Aerospace manufacturing and Aviation ecosystem in Telangana. With this marquee investment, Hyderabad has established itself as the most vibrant and happening Aerospace valley of India.

https://x.com/revanth_anumula/status/19 ... 27626?s=20 ---> It was a historic day for Hyderabad, Telangana, and India when Hon'ble Prime Minister Shri Narendra Modi ji virtually inaugurated the Safran Aircraft Engine Services facility — the first-ever Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) center for LEAP engines in India. With an investment of ₹1,300 crore, the new facility, spread across 44,000 square meters, will employ over 1,000 skilled technicians and engineers. It can service up to 300 engines every year and will operate on green electricity. We also laid the foundation stone for Safran’s M88 Military Engine MRO — the first such facility for Rafale engines outside France. This MRO facility will support the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy's fast-growing Rafale fleet.

Hyderabad is a major Aerospace and Defence Hub of India. With more than 25 major global companies and over 1,500 MSMEs, the aerospace and defence sectors will be a crucial growth engine and a key driver of success for #TelanganaRising2047. It was a pleasure to have Shri Ram Mohan Naidu, Hon’ble Union Minister for Civil Aviation, Shri Dudilla Sridhar Babu, Hon’ble Minister for Industries and IT, Mr. Ross McInnes, Chairman, Board of Directors, Safran, Mr. Olivier Andries, CEO, Safran, Mr. Jetender Gawankar, Safran India CEO, along with officials from the Central and State Governments and industry leaders attend the program.
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PM inaugurates the Safran Aircraft Engine Services India facility in Hyderabad, Telangana

From today, India’s aviation sector is set to take a new flight. Safran’s new facility will help establish India as a global MRO hub. It will also open new opportunities for our youth. I am hopeful that Safran’s investment in India will continue at the same momentum. :PM Shri @narendramodi.

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