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tandav wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 22:31
Anyone want to take bets here on probable cause? Is there a platform where such bets can be proposed?
Hope you said the above in irony and it turned out to be a bad joke in poor taste. Otherwise that's a pretty dumb and insensitive thing to say wrt the hundreds of bharatiya and other lives lost.
Ask yourself, if you had lost a friend or a family member in that crash would you have posted the same and place bets on the probable cause?
Apparently another Boeing 787-8 dreamliner of LATAM airlines made an emergency landing in Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) with its Ram Air Turbine (RAT) visibly deployed, following nearly an hour of circling over the Pacific Ocean. The RAT deployment suggests a significant power system issue onboard the aircraft.
The plane, a Boeing 787, was carrying 219 passengers and 11 crew members, the airline said.
Minutes into its ascent and at nearly 5,000 feet, the pilot told air traffic control, “Engine failure, left engine, United 108 declaring an emergency. Mayday, mayday, mayday,” according to recorded air traffic control audio.
Has anyone had experience with Air India requesting a wheel chair? I booked a ticket from HYD-SFO-HYD for my SIL. While I can request wheel chair for the return segment (SFO-HYD) there is no such provision for the inbound segments. They want me to submit a form supported by physician's cert. Is this normal?
There's usually a long line of people in wheelchairs, some very clearly not needing it. The regulator clamped down because wheelchair service was being abused.
Thanks. I was not aware of this rule. But my SiL is a senior citizen (>65) and does have a need. It does say senior citizens can request. But I do not see an option for that. They could have at least given an option for paid service. You can request the WC service from SFO to BLR though. So, I guess there wont be any WC service at BLR when she returns.
After a little research, I do not blame them. Like having 100 requests for WC in a single flight? Wow, that is a real abuse of the system and genuine passengers with a need are hurt.
saip wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 00:09
After a little research, I do not blame them. Like having 100 requests for WC in a single flight? Wow, that is a real abuse of the system and genuine passengers with a need are hurt.
Morning, I sent an email to Air India requesting a wheel chair as my SiL is a senior citizen with a heart condition and just recd a reply. They agreed to provide one. I am impressed.
pravula wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 09:21
read the previous 4 posts please
pravula gaaru, I did actually. That is why I quoted that part which vitiated the whole series. Going in I would think that DGCA would not make rules willy nilly and they also respond in a timely manner. But then that is me.
India-Russia Trade:HAL Signs MoU With Russia To Produce SJ-100 Civilian Commuter Aircraft In India
In a development that could redefine India’s position in global aviation, state-owned aerospace major Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation to manufacture a Russian-designed passenger jet for use within India. This agreement represents India’s first significant step into full-scale civilian aircraft production in several decades
I will be surprised if it's anything other than screwdriver-giri but the pertinent part is this will be screwdriver-giri of the worst option available. On the positive, I highly doubt this will ever happen and I do not see any desi airlines going for SJ-100.
New video captures the moment a UPS cargo plane crashed in Louisville, Kentucky.
US NTSB has issued its preliminary report for the ongoing investigation of the Nov. 4 crash of UPS flight 2976, a Boeing MD-11F in Louisville, Kentucky.
The taxi and takeoff roll were uneventful until the airplane rotated for takeoff. Airport surveillance video of the airplane showed the left (No. 1) engine and pylon separating from the wing shortly after airplane rotation, with a fire igniting on the left engine while it traversed above the fuselage and subsequently impacted the ground. A fire ignited near the area of the left pylon attachment to the wing, which continued until ground impact.
The airplane initially climbed but did not get higher than about 30 ft above ground level (agl) according to radio altitude data from the FDR. (Based on FAA-provided ADS-B data, the last data point showed 481 ft mean sea level [msl] and 100 ft agl.) The airplane cleared the blast fence beyond the end of runway 17R, but the left main landing gear impacted the roof of a UPS Supply Chain Solutions warehouse at the southern edge of the airport. The airplane then impacted a storage yard and two additional buildings, including a petroleum recycling facility, and was mostly consumed by fire.
After initial cleaning of the fracture surfaces, examination of the left pylon aft mount lug fractures found evidence of fatigue cracks in addition to areas of overstress failure. On the aft lug, on both the inboard and outboard fracture surfaces, a fatigue crack was observed where the aft lug bore met the aft lug forward face.
The NTSB's investigation of UPS flight 2976 is ongoing.
The Modi government response to the IndiGo fiasco has been diabolical. IndiGo and other carriers were given enough notice about the change to pilot rest rules - November 2024 itself. All airlines complied except IndiGo. One suspects it knew that because of its monopoly position, rather than hire more staff, it’s far easier to cause chaos for 3 days and force GoI to withdraw the rules. And that’s what has happened.
The DGCA is a spineless and gutless regulator that is either corrupt or has had regulatory capture. We have seen its response in the AI crash - it had much to answer for. The final report is still awaited, but no doubt they have leaked it as they had the interim one. In this case, all they have done is sent a notice to IndiGo - as if it is going to be scared of it. IndiGo is minting money after the fares have gone up… it’s profiting from a mess of its own making. There was no communication and management left front line staff to bear the brunt of customer ire. Yet it has gotten away scot free as the rules have been rolled back as well. It should really have been fined a big chunk of its revenues but DGCA has no guts.
IndiGo has prior form as well - after Sindoor every one scrapped service contracts with Turkey - all except IndiGo. They used their monopoly position to make the GOI roll back its circular stating serious operational impact.
The Indian aviation minister is even worse. KR Naidu has kept mum and has been shameless by not even expressing sympathy for the stranded passengers. Why does Modiji keep such incompetent people around?
A total fail by this GoI that has been made a fool of by a foreign CEO.
Tanaji wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 19:31
The Modi government response to the IndiGo fiasco has been diabolical. IndiGo and other carriers were given enough notice about the change to pilot rest rules - November 2024 itself. All airlines complied except IndiGo. One suspects it knew that because of its monopoly position, rather than hire more staff, it’s far easier to cause chaos for 3 days and force GoI to withdraw the rules. And that’s what has happened.
The DGCA is a spineless and gutless regulator that is either corrupt or has had regulatory capture. We have seen its response in the AI crash - it had much to answer for. The final report is still awaited, but no doubt they have leaked it as they had the interim one. In this case, all they have done is sent a notice to IndiGo - as if it is going to be scared of it. IndiGo is minting money after the fares have gone up… it’s profiting from a mess of its own making. There was no communication and management left front line staff to bear the brunt of customer ire. Yet it has gotten away scot free as the rules have been rolled back as well. It should really have been fined a big chunk of its revenues but DGCA has no guts.
IndiGo has prior form as well - after Sindoor every one scrapped service contracts with Turkey - all except IndiGo. They used their monopoly position to make the GOI roll back its circular stating serious operational impact.
The Indian aviation minister is even worse. KR Naidu has kept mum and has been shameless by not even expressing sympathy for the stranded passengers. Why does Modiji keep such incompetent people around?
A total fail by this GoI that has been made a fool of by a foreign CEO.
No one is keeping quiet, Tanaji saar.
Did you really think that the BIF deep state would have let Putin's India visit pass quietly, especially when India has told the gora's to piss off
Did you think that all this happened by sheer accident or was a mere coincidence, an unfortunate happenstance, if you will...
The PM is pissed off. It's likely that the gora CEO will go for a high jump, and the airline will get fined heavily.
The GoI has now issued orders capping airline fares based on distance.
They have also ordered that refunds will be made within 2-3 days and the DGCA will monitor that process.
The indigo swine blocked parking bays in almost all airports, causing immense difficulties for other airlines to board and deboard their passengers. Was it a coincidence again.......
Surprisingly, their code share turkish airline's connecting flights all went off without a a SINGLE hitch
So entire @IndiGo6E game is now out in open. What's going on is a CLEAR CASE OF CONSPIRACY & SABOTAGE.
Join the dots.
-New DGCA pilot rest rules for passengers safety were announced 18 months ago. Every airline had enough time to hire more pilots.
-Air India, Vistara, Akasa, Spicejet planned & hired additional pilots accordingly. IndiGo DELIBERATELY didn't but kept adding new routes simultaneously.
-Result? 1,000+ cancellations in a few hours. Thousands stranded for hours with no clarity, no support, no compensation, no accommodation.
-But IndiGo still kept selling tickets, charging for seats, meals, add-ons WHILE KNOWING that mass cancellations were unavoidable. It was nothing else to keep earning interest on parked money meantime.
-Their international code-share flights ran smoothly, reportedly, with TURKISH Airlines. It DELIBERATELY fcuked up domestic operations to create furore against Modi Sarkar.
-This created so much chaos that Modi Sarkar had to roll back the policy just to prevent Bharat's Civil Aviation sector from collapsing. Govt did it only to stop inconvenience to passengers but hurt it's image badly.
-And...IT WAS DELIBERATELY PLANNED TO COINCIDE with Russian President’s visit, when entire Govt machinery would be the busiest.
WHAT NEXT?
Expect MASSIVE CRACKDOWN against IndiGo by Modi Sarkar. Passenger Safety Policy will be back but now, through a Bill in Parliament. It won't be now only a notification or guideline, but LAW. I won't be surprised if inquiry is initiated in dubious character of IndiGo CEO Pieter Elbers who is a Dutch National.
MODI SARKAR HAS BENT AS OF NOW TO TACKLE SITUATION, BUT IT WILL HIT HARD WHERE IT HURTS THE MOST & may even open Bharat's Aviation Sector to International Airlines to finish near-duopoly of IndiGo & Air India.
But it's a lesson for Modi Sarkar also not to be overdependent on Govt Officials who like a fool sat idle for 18 months without doing followup on action taken by IndiGo to meet requirements of new notification for passengers safety. Crackdown is necessary on them too & responsibility must be fixed.
The Buck must start with IndiGo & Stop at Erring Govt Officials.
Let it be a learning experience but the last one.
Chaos created by @IndiGo6E wasn't operational failure, it was preplanned CONSPIRACY to coincide & undermine Imp Visit of Putin & Modi Sarkar KNOWS it.
WRATH WILL FOLLOW TO SET EXAMPLE.
"We've formed committee to inquire where things went wrong & WHO DID IT WRONG. We are going to take necessary action. This won't be left unattended. We are taking strict action on this, so that whoever was responsible into this needs to pay for it."- Union Civil Aviation Minister, Ram Mohan Naidu Kinjarapu.
IndiGo NEEDS TO BE MADE TO PAY FOF IT'S DELIBERATE ACTS!
Bharat's airline duopoly - IndiGo & Air India hires foreign CEOs, and both airlines are now crashing in credibility
Convenient disruptions just before Putin’s visit and Boeing already blaming pilots for the accident.
If these foreign CEOs think they can bully the Govt by pulling this crap then they are up for a surprise.
These airlines knew about the new regulations and still sold tickets so no way anyone is buying their stories.
This is a planned sabotage to embarrass India on world stage.
Bharat needs world-class transportation to move people & commerce.
Chetak saar, we both agree that this was deliberate and a lesson needs to be taught. Why does this GoI need to bring in a law to reach this lesson? The rules already exist - the airline is in contravention of safety norms. There are enough grounds with DGCA to do a multitude of actions right now ranging from slapping huge fines to grounding operations. Yet it has meekly turned the cheek so far.
You are optimistic that a lesson will be taught - aap ke mooh mein ghee and sugar. I am cynical that DGCA is just passing time and will either do nothing or give a slap on the wrist like 1 lakh rs fine.
The CEO needs to be removed, IndiGo either split so thats its not a monopoly anymore and fined of all its profits. Only that will prevent anyone from pulling these shenanigans again.
Its time that Minister of Civil Aviation stand up and be counted.
Inspite of party hopping he has been given a good Cabinet Berth ( Given Indian Civil Aviation growth in the next two decades).
He needs to pull up socks and act!!
Chetak saar, we both agree that this was deliberate and a lesson needs to be taught. Why does this GoI need to bring in a law to reach this lesson? The rules already exist - the airline is in contravention of safety norms. There are enough grounds with DGCA to do a multitude of actions right now ranging from slapping huge fines to grounding operations. Yet it has meekly turned the cheek so far.
You are optimistic that a lesson will be taught - aap ke mooh mein ghee and sugar. I am cynical that DGCA is just passing time and will either do nothing or give a slap on the wrist like 1 lakh rs fine.
The CEO needs to be removed, IndiGo either split so thats its not a monopoly anymore and fined of all its profits. Only that will prevent anyone from pulling these shenanigans again.
please understand Tanaji saar, if indigo is grounded now, for acts of omission and commission, it will immediately disrupt almost every activity in the country. This one single effing airline has >65% market share
This extension of deadline for regulatory compliance is only temporary.
This is the Modi govt. No one is going t be spared
What they have done now is a mitigating action
सांप भी मर जाये और लाठी भी न टूटे
indigo has been given two months to toe the line
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SRajesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 21:54
Its time that Minister of Civil Aviation stand up and be counted.
Inspite of party hopping he has been given a good Cabinet Berth ( Given Indian Civil Aviation growth in the next two decades).
He needs to pull up socks and act!!
SRajesh ji,
the clown belongs to a party that is worse than the onion merchant's gang of highway robbers
it is very obvious that ..........................
The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) informed IndiGo and other airlines about the new pilot rest rules (Flight Duty Time Limitations or FDTL) nearly 22 months in advance of the November 2025 crisis.
Here are the exact dates and details of the letters/notifications:
1. The Initial Notification (The "Advance" Notice)
* Exact Date: January 8, 2024
* What was issued: The DGCA originally issued the revised Civil Aviation Requirement (CAR), Section 7, Series J, Part III, titled "Flight Duty Assignment and Rest Requirements for Flight Crew".
* Significance: This was the primary "letter" that informed IndiGo of the new rules (such as increased weekly rest from 36 to 48 hours and reduced night landings). This gave airlines the initial timeline to prepare.
2. The Official "Revision 2" Document
* Exact Date: March 26, 2024
* Document Reference: CAR Section 7, Series J, Part III (Revision 2)
* Significance: While the rules were announced in January, the DGCA issued a modified notification on this date. This is the specific legal document cited in recent exemption orders. It originally set a June 1, 2024 deadline, which was later deferred to a phased implementation in 2025 (Phase 1 in July, Phase 2 in November).
Summary of Timeline
* Jan 8, 2024: DGCA announces new FDTL rules.
* Mar 26, 2024: DGCA issues the formal "Revision 2" of the rules (often cited as the binding document).
* Nov 1, 2025: The specific rules causing the current disruption (Phase 2: Night duty restrictions) came into full effect.
Bottom Line: IndiGo had knowledge of these specific requirements from January 8, 2024, giving them approximately 1 year and 10 months to adjust their pilot rosters before the November 1, 2025 deadline.
#IndiGoCrisis
Let's see how customers are treated by Indigo.
When Southwest had their Christmas meltdown in 2022 -
1. Hotel for the days people had to stay while arranging new flights were covered
2. Flight costs on other airlines were reimbursed after submitting invoices
3. Cost for the flight was refunded
4. 1 additional free flight credit was added to frequent flyer accounts
Tanaji wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025 22:57
Has IndiGo replied to DGCA or haughtily ignored it? I saw they had asked for an extension as usual…
Tanaji saar, they got into a pi$$!ng contest with the GoI.
haughty has evaporated and they are all pi$$ed out
they tried to game the presstitutes but the media chickened out when they came up against the Home Minister
indigo have been given till feb 10 2026 to comply with the FDTL directives, but that is what they wanted because fog will anyway curtail flights and hence their crew requirements will ease, meaning some in the regulatory authority and the aviation ministry will go home with big bagfuls of goodies
In the meanwhile, their reply is being "examined".
IndiGo was asked to reply by 1800 hours - they didn’t and claimed that DGCA rules give them a period of 15 days for RCA, so that’s when they will file the response.
Meanwhile MoCA has cut IndiGo routes by 10%. No sign of fines so far.
