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chetak wrote: 30 Nov 2023 02:58 It's a Masterclass in India's Foreign Policy

EAM Jaishankar participates in International Affairs Conference organised by Symbiosis International
Chetak saar, this is absolutely true - a master class. EAM Jaishankar is showing a new way in India/Bharat's foreign policy. It is a master prescription to change vocabulary, ideas, thoughts and therefore leadership in an uncertain, rudderless world. The Indian thought leadership has to regain its footing as it was during ancient times when Bharat was the VishwaGuru. India has a role to play since dharma (which is based on rta - the cosmic laws for sustenance) rules its ethos.

The problem is colonialization clobbers self-confidence in people. It created a fawning class of admirers, slavish followers and pretenders who started behaving like their masters (the Indian Kangress is certainly such a class). The Britshits for all their empire building (which is the root cause of all problems today in the world) were ace-bs-mongerers with not too intellectually bright individuals in charge. However they were loud-mouthed making up absolute nonsense, haughty, supercilious, prone to stealing and plundering while trying to being suave, cultured and so on. This changed the entire dialogue that the world pursues nowadays. It turns out that many fairy tales spun by the Britshits about their greatness is one big lie after another, not an ounce of truth in most commonly accepted narratives and assumptions. Just untangling this crap will take several lifetimes. In India they caused the world's largest holocaust (around 200 million dead) during their reign in India and the size of their loot (which capitalized banks in Euro and US) is around 200 T pounds or more.
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Without Army of sub-continent , no winning was possible in WW2.
Germany would have trampled them slowly one by one, after all their expansion .
Indians held the ground and paved way for later thrust. 2.5 million soldiers is not a small force.
However Dr. JaiShankar should admit that nice articulation of "Present situation" doesnt have any strategic benefit.
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Could you elaborate on how India’s military and political personnel have practically applied Kautilya’s doctrines, such as Rajamandala, Saptanga theory, Saadgunya Niti, and Matsya-Nyaya, in contemporary contexts, especially in the last year?

While for a long time, Kautilya’s teachings were overshadowed by the western thoughts and lack of interest and even ignorance in India’s past strategic culture, there seems to be a new awakening in the last few decades to study Kautilya’s Arthashastra and analyse how relevant these teachings are in the present day context.

There are no doubts that each of the headings that you have mentioned form the framework of the strategic postulations in the treatise on statecraft which include politics, economy, governance, domestic and international relations, waging of war, managing peace and such like. I will very briefly touch up on the headings mentioned by you in terms of its applicability more specifically in the last few years under the Modi Government. The military on its part has started paying increasing attention to Kautilya and are evaluating the validity of concepts. The study of Kautilya has been institutionalised and there are more discussions and references today. More importantly, it is not that the prescriptions are blindly followed. These are brought up to current standards based on where we stand and that ensures that the responses are commensurate with present-day challenges in our neighbourhood and in other parts of the world that impact India’s ascendency.

Rajamandala Theory. While there is no Raja as, we have adopted a democratic form of government, the relevance of the elected leader and his actions decide on how India has progressed in the chosen form of self-governance. The theory of one’s neighbour mostly being inimical and the neighbour’s neighbour being friendly has by and large stood the test of times as witnessed in history. When we look at the political geography, the smaller neighbours of India viewed India as the big brother meddling in their affairs and not encouraging them to prosper. However, the recent initiatives of SAGAR and neighbourhood first policies have challenged the view that your immediate neighbours are necessarily enemies. The implicit conclusion would be that there are ways in which our neighbours need to be managed knowing fully the challenges in a complex neighbourhood. Except for Pakistan and China with whom we have had adversarial relations, the other smaller neighbours have had to work their way in a competing environment of two big Asian neighbours and that has not been easy.

Also in the Mandala, in many cases there are common borders between more than just two neighbours and that would require an analysis of how these shared borders shape the foreign policy of the concerned Government. For example, the tri junction between India, China and Bhutan who are all neighbours posed significant challenges during the Doklam crisis in 2017. This has made it imperative for India to work more closely with its long term ally Bhutan which does not have diplomatic relations with China. The happenings in the last fortnight or so clearly tells us how Bhutan has become very important for our own security. So the increased assistance of 10 crores and holding of hands of the small neighbour would pay rich dividends. Similar approach is adopted in nurturing our neighbourhood countries who are increasingly being wooed by China with investments and inducements.

On the seven components of the state as per the saptanga theory, they include Swami( the Emperor), Amataya (the council of ministers), Janapada that defines the physical territory of a state, Durga (a Fort or fortified area for ensuring the sovereignty of our borders) , Kosha (or the treasury or the economic potential of the country), Danda (which is regulations enforced by justice or force) and Mitra (which is to identify friends and nurture such relations). All these would continue to be part of the nation’s governance in the modified form as required by a democratic nation. In simple terms, within the borders there needs to be visionary leadership to manage its borders, its people, and provide for the development by ensuring availability of funds both public and private. The leadership has to work to protect its long term interest by engaging with both big and small powers. The need to secure its interests both in its immediate neighbourhood and extended shores can hardly be reemphasised. Fortification of the borders today is not just deployment of troops but encompasses modern technologies and measures to ensure that there are no surprises. This demands innovative strategy and tactical procedures. The cyber domain is the most important domain when a nation is looking to secure its interests both on the battlefield and off the battlefield. The new disruptive technology would change the equations that can be game changers. The chip wars and the increased use of drones has made it evident that one has to be ahead of the competition and rehearse for contingencies .



How do you perceive Kautilya’s Arthashastra influencing India’s military strategy and geopolitical decisions in the modern era?

There was a time when there were uncharitable remarks by the west about the lack of strategic culture in India. However, the works of Dr. Shamashastry in the Oriental Research Institute in Mysore led to the discovery of Arthashastra which was printed in 1905 as a sanskrit edition. The English version saw the light in 1919 and researchers and analysts around the world were made aware of the rich work of Kautilya.The actions of the successive governments does indicate that there was progressive adoption of many prescriptions of Rajadharma. One could go to the extent of saying that some of these prescriptions and ethos are ingrained in the genes of Indian rulers and the handling of both domestic and foreign policies more so in the last few decades has stablised our growth and security in a complex global scenario.



Can you provide specific examples from the past year of how Kautilya’s principles have been integrated into India’s military approach?

It is quite clear that the phase and tenets of war have by and large been dictated by common sense and political realism. When viewed in the backdrop of Kautilya’s way of handling situations, it is clear the handling of Doklam in 2017 and the Galwan crisis in 2020 which has shown no signs of thawing despite some 29 meetings has been mature. It has been done with full military preparedness while continuing to engage in discussions. This has also led to increased alliances with the like minded, again reinforcing the belief that Kautilya is alive and kicking .



How has the concept of Saadgunya Niti been adapted by Indian political leaders to navigate complex domestic challenges and maintain stability within the state?

The six methods of foreign policy as prescribed by Kautilya included Peace (Samdhi), War (Vigraha), Wait and See or Observe, Introspect, Evaluate (Asana), Coercive Diplomacy (Yana), Alliance building (Samshrya), Diplomatic duplicity (Dvaihibhava)

By and large the handling of the foreign policy is a mix of all the six guna’s and adopted in a calibrated manner either individually or collectively. The Asana prescribed has many components of wait and see, observe, Introspect, evaluate depending on the developing geo political and military developments. India has navigated in a deft manner despite some of the disadvantages of economic differential with the adversary an the global wars that have made it difficult to sustain the tempo of economic growth . India has done well and has emerged as a globally important leader more so after the G20 summit that was conducted last year. This has demonstrated India’s ability to adopt the other Gunas viz., Coercive Diplomacy (Yana), Alliance building (Samshrya),Diplomatic duplicity (Dvaihibhava) in equal measure.



How do contemporary Indian leaders balance Kautilya’s emphasis on the welfare of the people with the demands of national security and international relations?

Throughout human history, there is no doubt that any ruler or leader who ignored the welfare of the people would not succeed in taking the nation forward. People are central to the process of nation building which has both developmental objectives and security within the borders and beyond national boundaries. With the shrinking size of the global village, it has become necessary for the Governments to be dynamic, progressive and imaginative in aligning with the global aspirations and equip their own citizens to contribute first and foremost as committed Indian citizens who will lend a shoulder to the process of development. The role of the diaspora again is an important facet of maintaining our good external relations and also to ensure that this diaspora which is increasing in number act as Ambassadors and help India to achieve its milestones by 2047.



In what ways do you believe Kautilya’s emphasis on statecraft and the welfare of the people has influenced India’s domestic governance and policymaking processes?

With the existing structure of the Centre and the States, there are challenges of having a uniform method of domestic governance and policy making. With the diversity of India in terms of languages, culture, geographical features and ideological differences, there are huge challenges in the process of making policies. The example of the CAA and the GST which was adopted are illustrative of the challenges faced in shaping policies for the country.

There can be no dispute about the centrality of the welfare of the people to nation building, security and prosperity. So the chosen leaders will have to work imaginatively to balance the requirements of national security which is the foremost prerequisite for a stable environment that thereafter allows the chosen leaders to invest in human security/development matching resources available while constantly looking at improving availability of funds and resources. People first is a principle that can not be compromised by any Government, more so in democracies where the performance is constantly evaluated. Ensuring that people are happy ,contented. energetic, motivated and prosperous people within secure borders would be the primary focus and from that point of view, India by and large has been constantly working at alleviation of poverty, improving living and health standards and for providing incentives to the young people who are the strength of this country.
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Absolutely fascinating conversation. MUST WATCH folks. There's a lot in there besides the Islamic issue. I strongly recommend.
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looking at civilisations as a snapshot ion time and on the unique strength of indian thought:

way back when, during the time of the dasarajanaya yuddha, the biggest difference cited was the division of gods, the (eventual) western branch was for older gods and order (asuras), the eventual bharatas and allies were for newer gods and dynamism (devas);

lets look at the prthus, parsu alliance first

based on their thought of keeping to old gods and following that order, they went to the thinnest tincture with purity of thought, speech, action, and eventually blood (via incest among the zorastrians), all to ensure that thoughts challenging orthodoxy did not emerge

the greatest champion and sage of this branch is obviously zoraster, but there are no other great sages after, one might stretch to say that christ was met by the magii and thus had some connection with the western branch but he was more influenced by the semetic traditions of his area, and the zorastrians lost all by crystallising their thought to a fixed time in the past

contrast this with the bharatas, allies and descendants, with the passage of time, the vedic form lost its predominance as the only path, you had buddha, the jain tirthankaras, ajivikas, nagarjuna, the vedantic and advaitic schools of thoughts, each after and coexisting with the other

the sakas, hunas, who came in brought about their own strict adherence to shaiivism, then the schism of the alvars and the naynnars, puranic school of thought

my point being, momentuous events that happened to our ancestors like the mahabharata, ramayana when transmitted overseas took root but did not alter, in contrast to the land where the events occurred; in this i would say that a buddha or a mahavira could not have been "born" in any other culture / civilisation as the others crystallise towards a fixed point in the past, while the general zeitgeist of indian thought remains ever mutable
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^^^ good post Saar.
Each generation, each epoch has the right, even the obligation, to question the precepts of the past constructively, in order to assure their relevance and ensure that they are updated as needed.

Instead of blind obeisance to the past prophets or texts leading to immobilisme and eventually to obscurantism, our Indic or should I say dharmic model is dynamic but anchored to realities of the times and even places. This is what makes it eternally relevant ie sanatana.

Then one may ask why isn't our model universalist? But it is, for those who can see the wisdom behind a pithy statement like "change is the only constant". For those who can't get it, "ignorance is bliss" :mrgreen:
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i was just thinking about how the taxpayers are footing the lifestyle of apparently 1% of pakistani population that lives inside india, including in law and order , pakistani by blood that is, count by sympathy is in double digits, and how some institutions live in a parallel world with no accountability and wondering what was the threshold for the common man to paint the streets red, when i realised that india has had no (secular*) revolutions till the advent of the british

any revolution prior to the british was related to religion, and that is quite an eye opening fact, no revolt by the powerless against those abusing power, no revolt for rights, for accountability of institutions; if you look at all civilisations, this is a very unique feature for the indic one, every other had and multiple ones at that, but not indic, never indic

if there is any opposition against a particular ruler, then the result is always a coup or war with neighbors and change, never any sharing or accountability of power, at least none that history has recounted; if someone knows of any local revolt, peasant, guilds anything, please advise, this passivity with the higher ups leeching off the life blood with almost 0 retaliation has troubling denotations for the future

*some might say sikhism and the reign of chhatrapati maharaj was religion and revolution combined for societal change
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Likely the wrong thread for it - does anyone have detailed info about the Jambudvipa Proclamation of 1801, that asked all the inhabitants of Jambudvipa to unite against the Europeans?
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A short overview, with some extracts from the proclamation can be find here

https://thecommunemag.com/jambutheevu-p ... dependence

The main source material is on archive.org

https://archive.org/download/dli.jZY9lu ... ellion.pdf
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RaviB wrote: 17 Jun 2025 14:09 A short overview, with some extracts from the proclamation can be find here

https://thecommunemag.com/jambutheevu-p ... dependence

The main source material is on archive.org

https://archive.org/download/dli.jZY9lu ... ellion.pdf
Many thanks! I had been totally unaware of this till a couple of days ago. Now you have given me some happy reading!
The strategic significance of this to me is that some supposedly provincial rebels against the British had a whole Jambudveepa struggle against the British and what the final state would look like. This was likely not new even in 1801, but it is one of the few surviving records.

Professor Rajayyan in assembling this history has done service that a million Romila Thapars cannot ever do.
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One big takeaway from the Israel fight since the 7th October attack by Hamas is they systematically destroyed Iranian proxies and finally went for Iran itself.
Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad led Baath in Syria, Houthis, and finally Iran.

India needs to use chatur upaya and take care of Chinese and Western proxies in near abroad and Asia.
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A_Gupta wrote: 19 Jun 2025 00:45
RaviB wrote: 17 Jun 2025 14:09 A short overview, with some extracts from the proclamation can be find here

https://thecommunemag.com/jambutheevu-p ... dependence

The main source material is on archive.org

https://archive.org/download/dli.jZY9lu ... ellion.pdf
Many thanks! I had been totally unaware of this till a couple of days ago. Now you have given me some happy reading!
The strategic significance of this to me is that some supposedly provincial rebels against the British had a whole Jambudveepa struggle against the British and what the final state would look like. This was likely not new even in 1801, but it is one of the few surviving records.

Professor Rajayyan in assembling this history has done service that a million Romila Thapars cannot ever do.
Totally agree. Jambudvipa or Akhand Bharat is the objective.
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I am posting this here... if not appropriate, let me know, I can move it there .

Professor M Vidyasagar, FRS, is a Distinguished Professor at IIT Hyderabad. He is not unknown in BRF, I mentioned his work many times regarding SUTRA and other subjects.

He earned his BS, MS, and PhD in electrical engineering from the University of Wisconsin. His distinguished career includes academic positions at universities in the USA and Canada, followed by leadership roles as Director of India's Centre for AI and Robotics and Executive VP at TCS

A major feather in the cap of his team at the Centre for AI and Robotics is the creation of world class digital control software for the LCA & Tejas indigenously.

His research interests span stochastic algorithms, convex/nonconvex optimization, reinforcement learning, and machine learning, with recent work focusing on the theoretical foundations of stochastic gradient descent and LLM's Models.

"Agreements like BECA (Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement) involve sharing geospatial data, which is very dangerous. But too much attention is being paid to getting a 'seat at the high table' than looking after our national interest,"


- Professor M Vidyasagar tells Shivanand Kanavi in the concluding segment of a must-read interview.

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An anecdote. Prof. M. Vidyasagar wrote about our company and our software in a blog of a Theoretical CS professor. He knows about our software and thinks highly.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 07 Nov 2025 06:01 An anecdote. Prof. M. Vidyasagar wrote about our company and our software in a blog of a Theoretical CS professor. He knows about our software and thinks highly.
What software?
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pravula wrote: 07 Nov 2025 09:39
Vayutuvan wrote: 07 Nov 2025 06:01 An anecdote. Prof. M. Vidyasagar wrote about our company and our software in a blog of a Theoretical CS professor. He knows about our software and thinks highly.
What software?
Can you contact Ramana gaaru for my coordinates? Thanks.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 07 Nov 2025 11:14
pravula wrote: 07 Nov 2025 09:39

What software?
Can you contact Ramana gaaru for my coordinates? Thanks.
No worries, was curious onlee
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Prof Vidyasagar is erroneous and will leave it at that. The current leaders are very much in touch with reality.
Its an issue of constrained optimization.
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India is at the cross roads of change.

For last two millennia India's internal system was influenced by external forces starting from Darius invasion to British colonialism.
For first time India is influenced by internal changes which will drive its external posture.

A very wise leader said this assessment.
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Hello Rakshaks, mynsone is doing a project on Partition of India and the horrors of that time to preserve and archive the history in collaboration with Stanford (genuinely Indic people who are curious and no Pakistani trolls). If anyone is able to find a relative or friends who are from that generation (born before Aug 15, 1947), please direct message me at metnat at Gmail dot com. Admins, I will delete in just 2-3 days but thought it important to ensure our next generations can get some authentic content with whatever we have available now. Hope this is in sync with this forum’s mission.
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ramana wrote: 13 Nov 2025 03:04 India is at the cross roads of change.

For last two millennia India's internal system was influenced by external forces starting from Darius invasion to British colonialism.
For first time India is influenced by internal changes which will drive its external posture.

A very wise leader said this assessment.
I started a conversation with google gemini with the above premise and asked gemini to summarize the conversation as a editorial opinion. outcome after some refinements and manual edits below...
GUEST OPINION: The Two Damn Passes—How the Mauryan Choice Shaped the Soul of India
By V_raman/Google Gemini

History is often told as a series of victories, but it is more accurately a ledger of trade-offs. As we look at the modern landscape of India—a region of immense political scale but growing cultural friction—we must look back 2,500 years to a single strategic choice that altered the Indian DNA: the decision to prioritize the Fortress over the Garden.

The Pure Garden: India Before the Shocks
Before the arrival of any foreign influence, the subcontinent existed in a state that modern minds struggle to comprehend. This was the era of the Mahajanapadas—sixteen "Great Realms" that represented the peak of indigenous Indian political organization. In this pre-invasion world, India was culturally unified but politically fragmented.
Across these realms, there was a shared civilizational "glue." Sanskrit was the language of the elite, social structures were consistent, and warfare followed a chivalrous code known as Dharma-yuddha. In this era, war was not an instrument of social destruction; farmers plowed their fields while kings clashed in the next valley. The goal was conquest, not annihilation. This created a high-trust society where identity was rooted in community and culture, not in the decree of a distant capital. It was a "Garden" of diverse local laboratories—independent, vibrant, and entirely self-contained.

The Persian Shock and the Mauryan Pivot
This indigenous beauty was shattered by the first great external system shock. The invasions of the Persian Achaemenids under Cyrus the Great and Darius I proved that the "Two Damn Passes"—the Khyber and the Bolan—were the "back doors" through which a professional, "hard" empire could swallow a decentralized civilization.
The Mauryas, led by the strategist Chanakya, realized that to defeat a foreign monolith, India had to become one. They traded the organic "Garden" of the Mahajanapadas for a centralized "Fortress." They built a massive standing army and a heavy tax-collection machine. They secured the passes, but in doing so, they flattened the local autonomies that had been the soul of Indian innovation. They became the Landlords of India to prevent it from becoming a Tenant of Persia or Greece.

The Provocative Reality: The Fatal Trade
The great tragedy of the Mauryan choice is that by centralizing India to stop the Persians, they inadvertently made the subcontinent easier to conquer in the long run.
In the Mahajanapada era, India was a "Hydra." An invader would have had to conquer sixteen different "Gardens," each with its own spirit, defense, and resilience. By creating a single "Fortress" with a single "Throne," the Mauryas created a single point of failure. History proves this: for the next 2,000 years, every subsequent invader—from the Scythians and Huns to the Mughals and the British—realized that if they could just seize the central administrative "head," they owned the whole body. The centralized "Leviathan" was ultimately more fragile than the decentralized "Hydra."

The "What If": The Guarded Garden
What if the Mauryans had secured the passes and then rebuilt the garden? Imagine a timeline where the central state acted as a "Shield" at the Khyber and Bolan passes but intentionally restored the autonomy and trust of the sixteen realms within.
In this scenario, India would have possessed the ultimate competitive advantage: External Security combined with Internal Competition. By protecting the borders but allowing the Mahajanapadas to innovate, compete, and trade as sovereign cultural entities, India might have achieved an Industrial Revolution millennia before the West. It would have been a land of sixteen Silicon Valleys, protected by a single, invincible wall.

The Turning of the Tide: From Reactive to Proactive
However, we are currently witnessing a historic reversal of this 2,000-year trend. For two millennia following those first Persian and Greek shocks, India was a "Geopolitical Debtor." Its internal landscape was constantly reshaped by external invasions and foreign ideologies. The "outside" dictated the "inside."
Today, the tide is finally turning. For the first time since the fall of the Mahajanapadas, India’s internal dynamics are dictating its external posture. Instead of changing its soul to suit the global invader, India is now projecting its internal cultural, economic, and strategic identity onto the global stage. India is transitioning from a civilization that suffers history to a civilization that shapes it.

Conclusion: Rebuilding the Garden
The ultimate irony of the Indian story is that the very centralization built to save the subcontinent—the 'Throne of Pataliputra or Delhi'— became both its greatest shield and its most enduring cage. It took the absolute power of a modern, unified state to finally bolt the 'Two Damn Passes' shut. As we navigate the fractures of the 21st century, the challenge has shifted. We no longer need to sacrifice for the sake of the "Fortress." True security in the modern age requires rebuilding the Garden within. It means reclaiming that ancient, high-trust "glue" and vitality that existed before the first foreign shock. We have secured the "Two Damn Passes"; now, the work begins to restore the soil of the sixteen realms.
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This is a GoI headline : context is talks with Malaysia.
PM Modi Reiterates India’s Firm Stand On Terrorism, With No Double Standards And Compromise
https://www.newsonair.gov.in/pm-narendr ... ompromise/

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So what stand does India take (if any) about the various violent actors in Pakistan?
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https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2026 ... red-power/
India and the Political Economy of Deferred Power
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https://sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/ ... an-173171/
It’s time to declare the Modi Doctrine throughout the Indian Ocean
A Modi doctrine might protect the countries of the Indian Ocean basin from the predatory ambitions of China.
Michael Rubin, March 1, 2026

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is already India’s third longest-serving Prime Minister and is easily the country’s most consequential leader since Jawaharlal Nehru. He has navigated India through myriad challenges and has likely contributed more to India’s infrastructure than all his predecessors combined. While Modi began his first term, India was the world’s 10th largest economy. Today, it is the 4th and could push into the third position soon. As China heads off the demographic precipice, India could even move into the number two position in the decades to come.
Of course, China and India’s other adversaries are not going to accept India’s rise quietly. China and Pakistan will seek to constrain India through asymmetric means. Even though New Delhi maintains cordial relations with Tehran, Iranian proxies sometimes use their unofficial status to attack Indian interests, yet give Tehran plausible deniability when they do so. The normal insurance rate for ship-borne cargo, for example, is about 0.3% of the cargo’s value but, when Houthis target Indian, Greek, or Cypriot ships, that insurance rate more than triples, putting Indian commercial interests at a competitive disadvantage to Chinse competitors.
The ouster of Sheikh Hasina’s government in August 2024 coupled with interim leader Muhammad Yunus’ antagonism to India and fealty to Pakistan and China, suggest India barely avoided a far worse crisis in Bangladesh. Rather than relax, New Delhi should recognize that those external intelligence operatives behind Yunus and Jamaat-e-Islami will simply try again, both to attack Bangladesh’s sovereignty and India’s control over the Seven Sisters.
n 2022, I visited Cabo Delgado, Mozambique’s northern province, to interview Islamic State prisoners captured by local security forces and their Rwandan partners, as well as to inspect the material they had with them when captured. In many cases, the extremist tracts came straight from Karachi or Lahore via Mombasa or Dar es Salaam. Democratic Republic of Congo church leaders complained that Pakistanis working as UN peacekeepers were inciting extremism by teaching locals more extreme practices and intolerant interpretations of Islam. China, meanwhile, is increasingly influential if not dominant in Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and is willing to compete with India in Mauritius. British Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s Chagos policy opens the door to potential malign influence in that archipelago.
These challenges suggest that, as India rises, Modi must establish a regional doctrine and security doctrine commensurate with India’s economic infrastructure and role in the world. In short, it is time for a Modi Doctrine akin to the U.S. Monroe Doctrine. President James Monroe declared the United States would be the preeminent power in the Western hemisphere and that the United States would not tolerate European militaries and interference in the region. Old school Indian policymakers might interpret the Monroe Doctrine, recently revived by President Donald Trump, as a manifestation of American imperialism but historically at least, the opposite is true. Monroe’s policy was anti-imperialist. He articulated that Washington would interpret any European attempt to interfere in the affairs of independent American countries as a hostile act against the United States. Monroe did not seek to colonize South America; he sought to prevent France, Spain, and Portugal from seeking to reestablish their empires against the aspirations of newly independent countries.
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I had a moment of insight (or delusion?) - Strategic Autonomy, Atmanirbhar Bharat (in terms of defense), etc., are not ideological positions, they are tools. The supreme goal is the sustained well-being of the Indian people; and these things are tools. Like with a master craftsman who has a variety of tools at her disposal, these tools are wielded as needed.
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As long as we don’t fall for a Nehruvian consensus we are good. Now is not the time for doctrines. Wait for 30 years, too much work yet to be done. Use these guiding principles but re valuate them every decade and ensure you are making progress
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Reproducing something that I saw on FB recently. This makes sense and notwithstanding the euphoria of last year's Op. Sindoor resonates with what a lot of us has been raising on BRF. We are simply not preparing for the right war. In the next two decades more than a month eastern Pakistan it will be the Lizard or Amir Khan who will bre our potential opponents.
India Has A Boutique Military In An Industrial-Warfare World

If India seeks to build a credible stand-off deterrent against China, the conversation must address scale, replenishment rates, industrial surge capacity, and survivability under sustained attack.

After Operation Sindoor, India concluded that precision at range is the future of war.
But against China, the future of war is industrial depth - and India must invest here.
When India launched Operation Sindoor, deploying cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, hypersonics, and Israeli-built loitering munitions against Pakistani targets, the results were impressive enough to reshape the way Delhi talks about war. The strikes were precise, the escalation was controlled, and the message, that India could impose punishment at range without mass mobilisation, was received clearly in Islamabad and beyond.

Lieutenant General Adosh Kumar, the Director General of Artillery, spoke late last year of long-range precision strikes creating "devastating effects," and the institutional consensus that followed was easy to read: non-contact warfare, in India's telling, had arrived as doctrine.

Against Pakistan, this confidence is not misplaced.

A nuclear dyad constrains full-scale war but does not eliminate the appetite for retaliation, and stand-off strike gives Indian policymakers something they have long lacked, which is the flexibility to punish the Pakistan Army below the nuclear threshold, with small strike packages, brief exchanges, and an escalation ladder whose rungs are reasonably well understood. A handful of precision systems can do the job without depleting India's stockpiles, and in a confined problem of this kind, precision at range is genuinely preferable to attrition at contact.

The trouble is that India's defence establishment appears to be universalising a lesson that is, in reality, Pakistan-specific. The adversary that actually threatens India's territorial integrity is not Pakistan but China, against whom the elegant architecture of non-contact warfare would become brittle almost immediately.

China is not a "peer competitor" in the comforting sense that implies rough symmetry. The People's Liberation Army Rocket Force fields an enormous arsenal of ballistic, cruise, and hypersonic missiles, backed by hardened launch infrastructure, distributed production facilities, and an industrial base embedded within the world's largest manufacturing economy.

In missile inventories, manufacturing scale, air-defence layering, and the capacity for industrial mobilisation, Beijing operates at a level that dwarfs India's by an order of magnitude that is difficult to close and easy to underestimate.

A confrontation with China, unlike a punitive exchange with Pakistan, would not consist of symbolic salvos across a managed escalation ladder. Beijing has the capacity to target airbases, logistics hubs, ports, and command nodes across India's strategic depth simultaneously, layering missile fire with cyber operations, space denial, and electronic warfare.

A stand-off exchange of this kind would be not a demonstration but a war of attrition, and wars of attrition are won not by the side with the better missile but by the side that can replace the ones already fired. India, as things stand, cannot. What it does is buy a few dozen of each type at a time, and even when procurement comes from domestic suppliers, numbers stay modest, producing capability without mass, and deterrence by demonstration rather than by depth.

The evidence from the Gulf


That this is not an abstract concern has been made painfully visible in the skies over West Asia, where the arithmetic of stand-off warfare is being stress-tested in real time.

As Iranian ballistic missiles arc across the Gulf, Israel and the United States are carrying out sustained air strikes on Iranian military assets, leadership, and nuclear infrastructure, while Tehran responds with salvos of hundreds of missiles and Shahed drones, relying on range and volume to impose costs in return. The question these exchanges expose is not who fires first but who can keep firing after the first week, and the second, and the third.

Iran can sustain this tempo because it had, over the preceding decades, built the capacity to manufacture ballistic missiles in quantity and stockpile them in the thousands. In the last decade alone, Tehran expanded that base to mass-produce the Shahed-series drones, the same loitering munitions Russia began acquiring for use in Ukraine, and the same systems now striking buildings in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

The Shahed is not a sophisticated weapon, but it represents something India has not yet achieved. It is a product of sustained, industrial-scale preparation that allows a mid-ranking power to field large numbers of indigenous, inexpensive, mass-produced systems against far wealthier adversaries. India, by contrast, deployed Israeli-built Harop and Harpy munitions during Sindoor. These were very effective, but they constitute borrowed depth rather than organic depth.

Israel can intercept many of Iran's weapons because it invested heavily in layered air defence and enjoys deep stockpiling and replenishment support from the United States, whose defence-industrial base is rivalled only by China's. Yet even the Americans and Israelis are discovering how quickly inventories drain in a high-tempo missile war.

Iranian barrages have forced allied air defences to expend large numbers of high-end interceptors, like Patriot, SM-3, THAAD systems, that are produced in relatively small numbers each year. If the current rate continues, stocks of some could begin running dangerously low within weeks, forcing difficult choices about deployment priorities.

If the world's most capable military powers find themselves running into magazine-depth constraints after a few weeks of sustained exchange, the implications for India, which has not even begun to build inventories at comparable scale, ought to concentrate minds in Delhi.

Why India cannot surge

A doctrine built on non-contact punishment presumes survivable launch platforms, resilient command-and-control, sufficient inventory to withstand counter-strikes, and most critically, industrial capacity to replenish rapidly. India meets almost none of these conditions against China, and the reasons are structural rather than incidental.

Defence manufacturing in India remains hostage to a procurement culture that seems almost designed to prevent scale. Orders are episodic, trials stretch on for years and sometimes decades, and even successful platforms are inducted in modest numbers.

When a domestic manufacturer cannot predict whether it will receive 40 units, 400 units, or none at all, it has little incentive to invest in the large production lines, supplier ecosystems, and parallel capacity that would only make economic sense at volume. The result is a system optimised for prototypes and limited series production rather than for wartime surge.

This is compounded by a longstanding preference for the best over adequate. When foreign-designed systems that have been through multiple upgrade cycles are chosen over Indian-built platforms that may not be flawless on day one, the long-term consequence is structural dependence.

India assembles sophisticated weapons in limited numbers without ownership of the critical subsystems, like engines, seekers, propulsion units, advanced electronics, that remain with original equipment manufacturers and their overseas supply chains. In peacetime, this model delivers capability. In wartime, it constrains surge, because production cannot simply be scaled up when the most sensitive components are controlled abroad and subject to external priorities or export controls.

Even when the prime contract goes to an Indian entity, a significant share of value addition often flows back to the foreign OEM, confining the domestic role to integration rather than full-spectrum manufacturing and limiting the accumulation of design experience, supplier networks, and process engineering that are precisely the ingredients required for rapid expansion under wartime conditions.

The idea of an Integrated Rocket Force, first proposed by the late Chief of Defence Staff, General Bipin Rawat, was meant to place India's conventional long-range strike systems, including Pralay ballistic missiles, BrahMos and Nirbhay cruise missiles, and long-range Pinaka rocket artillery, under a single tri-service command capable of launching large, coordinated salvos in the way the Strategic Forces Command concentrates nuclear deterrence. The concept made strategic sense, but the force itself has not materialised, the systems exist only in modest numbers, and the missile inventories that would give such a command real weight have yet to emerge.

There is also the problem of adaptation speed, which may matter more than any single procurement decision. Modern wars evolve faster than budget cycles, as the Ukraine conflict has demonstrated with uncomfortable clarity.

Electronic warfare initially proved highly effective at jamming radio-controlled drones, knocking large numbers out of the sky, but Russian units responded by introducing fibre-optic controlled FPV drones, carrying a spool of cable linking drone to operator and rendering the signal immune to jamming even in heavily contested electronic environments. The system, first deployed around 2024, spread rapidly across the battlefield and forced Ukrainian forces to rethink both drone operations and countermeasures.

This kind of rapid iteration is possible only when an industrial ecosystem exists that can manufacture, test, fail, revise, and manufacture again at a tempo that matches the war rather than the annual defence estimates, and it is built not by sporadic assembly contracts but by sustained demand, iterative upgrades, and a willingness to absorb imperfection in early production blocks while domestic firms climb the learning curve.

The distance that remains

Non-contact warfare is not a substitute for strategy but an instrument within it. Precision strike can shape a battlefield, punish an adversary, and buy time for diplomacy, but it cannot on its own hold territory, sustain a prolonged campaign, or compel a determined enemy to change course. Against Pakistan, stand-off strikes can achieve India's political and military objectives because the problem is confined, the exchanges are brief, and the inventory demands are modest. Against China, they cannot.

Operation Sindoor proved that India can deliver precision punishment, and the distance between that achievement and the capacity to sustain a high-intensity conflict against a major power is measured not in technology, where India has made genuine advances, but in industrial depth, where the gap remains vast.

Nothing in India's current manufacturing base, procurement culture, or force structure suggests it is ready for the kind of sustained, high-volume confrontation that a war with Beijing would demand. A few dozen of each system constitute a boutique, and in an industrial-warfare world, boutiques, however elegantly stocked, do not survive.
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Question to the experts/knowledgeable folks in this matter.

How would one frame India's strategic goals or aspirations in context with current geo politics(might is right policies), and is there a pathway for India to achieve those goals without first localizing the necessary skills, tools, and resources?

At this point, we do not have practical ways of achieving self-reliance in the energy, capital, and technology domains. We are not only dependent on foreign sources and their benevolence to help propel us to the next stage, but we also seem to be taking no concrete steps to shed this dependency.

Assuming this same mindset and these actions continue for the next generation (30 years), aside from increased economic prosperity, what other strategic goals will India achieve?
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Jay wrote: 12 Mar 2026 23:12 Question to the experts/knowledgeable folks in this matter.

How would one frame India's strategic goals or aspirations in context with current geo politics(might is right policies), and is there a pathway for India to achieve those goals without first localizing the necessary skills, tools, and resources?
Not a knowledgeable person, but this is what I feel at the moment.
India is exactly like the other important / rome descended states, with their rapacity, speed, and nimbleness of their bureaucratic machinery setup with the important exception that the ultimate mindset and goal of all this machinery is the fulfillment of Gandhian principles, in governmental terms referred to as directive principles of state policy.

In that way, the instrument that is India is quite adept at the current geo politics of might is right, for that is our policy as well, but the usage of this right is what differentiates our rome from the other romes.

IOW, acceleration towards the DPSP on a national level and promulgation of the same on the global level are our strategic goals and aspirations towards which India will use its resources to progress.

At this point, we do not have practical ways of achieving self-reliance in the energy, capital, and technology domains. We are not only dependent on foreign sources and their benevolence to help propel us to the next stage, but we also seem to be taking no concrete steps to shed this dependency.

Assuming this same mindset and these actions continue for the next generation (30 years), aside from increased economic prosperity, what other strategic goals will India achieve?
Quite a vast net to aspire to. In terms of energy, acceleration towards non-oil/gas would be observed. Solar, nuclear, coal, anything to reduce dependent on crude other than for petchems and atf. Other than that, a quicker mass acceptance of technologies developed in other countries and imitation en mass of higher sciences and technologies.

We are looking to set expertise centres to quickly adapt and pivot, not to develop and innovate, a vital difference. The smarter move would be to ally with other lacking nations such as france and japan so as to improve the pace and provide a willing market in conjunction so that new techs might be a collaborative effort, I personally do not foresee a better placement than this as long as the Gandhian state of India is alive.
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^Further to add to the above.

Saying this with the greatest respect, pm modi is a bloodless man without any traction to any morals, he only seeks to extract the maximum benefit to the maximum possible swathe of indians with his every decision; and this is an admirable fact, just 10 years past, about 60-65 years after independence, we were used to discussions regarding the definition of the poverty index to measure a majority of our own peoples. My memory isn't all that great but i believe that it was 1.5 mudpies per head per day and 1 tea of ashes for which the mother and father and their aged parents had to toil 12 hours every day to obtain and consume. What we have since then, and mind again that this was only 10 years past, not some myth from the dark ages, is nothing short of a miracle and the major credit goes to the pm and his ability to extract the maximum.

The downside to this mindset is that every power knows that india of now has no red lines but only higher tolerance lines, they are free to create mischief and nuisance, if caught, the penalty will be higher, all to benefit the maximum indians again, but the powers are free to do basically anything otherwise. The problem also is that the pm cares too much about indians, which is an odd thing to say, but if he were a heartless person, he would have drawn red lines on many aspects, notwithstanding the hardship to the majority. The pithy expressions of "india is choosing its own side" sounds great in sound bites and modified memes, all that really translates to is "what are you willing to trade in exchange?"

I do not know how much longer the pm will go on, there are many political compulsions for his presence and he has sort of made the indian public at least acknowledge that he is indeed in fact the pm by his sheer dent of the years in his tenure if nothing else, but it would be better if there are changes in the leadership. The reasoning being that though the pm has made vast improvements in many fields, things that should ideally have been tackled before the 90s, he has also created many areas of dissent that will boil over in due course like the issue with north east, dealing with opportunistic begging neighbours, to name but a few and this all comes down to not having red lines in some if not all areas.

Currently, and with this vision, we will wishy-washily reach mission 2047 as a more or less same hulking mass of potentiality and youth energy but with a rapidly closing or partially closed demographic dividend, with communal seethe and external factions all over the place. Fundamentally, this is to do with the fact that the constitution is considered sacrosanct by the pm. A document created by people who had a smattering of british, british-indian education, who had vastly different access and exposure to worldwide technology, and who MOST IMPORTANTLY were raised in a society where the demographic break up was higher percentage of mohemeddans. At that time, and even after partition, it seemed prudent to them that india be declared a secular country, a move that would have fit quite well had the original demographics of south asia held. With their avowed declaration, their constitution will start making sense once the mohemmedan population in india starts clocking 25% and above. At that time will the wisdom of the makers be seen when the population reflects the population breakup before partition and the safeguards will come on for all sides...hopefully.

The thing is, it did not have to be this way, the rest of india agreed, for they too had been raised in such a demographically stratified society agreed to bid the hands and participate. Though we start with India that is Bharat but saying so does not make it so, India is a secular gandhian country which Bharat most decidedly was not, and so the confusion among the people that the system is not hindu friendly, its not supposed to be.

The time has also come for a movement for revision or the penning of a new constitution, one that does not bind the people to antiquated norms but is more reflective of the society, circumstances and aspirations of today. This is the big movement that can make India of mission 2047, or if not implemented, can again break india.
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I don’t see a problem with the state. It is the mindset of the people. I see the government cleaning up the piles of garbage around the Yamuna; but people in automobiles littering, throwing stuff out of the vehicle and over the high fence on the Yamuna bridge, so the situation barely improves.

And of course, the state is run by many such people.

If the people were Gandhian, civic cleanliness would be one of their top values.

The “system” can readily be amended. Cultural shortcomings are much much more difficult to change.

To think that a new Constitution will change things is a bit of a fantasy.

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Also, from a historical perspective, the Indian Constitution is the Motilal Nehru proposal of 1929 or thereabouts and Ambedkar. It is not Gandhian. Gandhi wanted to give primacy to the village panchayats, and saw the Indian state as a confederation of panchayats, for example.
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ricky_v wrote: 17 Mar 2026 21:06 ^Further to add to the above.

Saying this with the greatest respect, pm modi is a bloodless man without any traction to any morals, he only seeks to extract the maximum benefit to the maximum possible swathe of indians with his every decision; and this is an admirable fact, .......
The downside to this mindset is that every power knows that india of now has no red lines but only higher tolerance lines, they are free to create mischief and nuisance, if caught, the penalty will be higher, all to benefit the maximum indians again, but the powers are free to do basically anything otherwise. The pithy expressions of "india is choosing its own side" sounds great in sound bites and modified memes, all that really translates to is "what are you willing to trade in exchange?"
You are really on to somethinghere ricky ji. The bonded part though makes us vulnerable. But then if you play three game you will bre read. Rather play and take your chances than sit out in the pavilion for fear that your yells will be out.
The problem also is that the pm cares too much about indians, which is an odd thing to say, but if he were a heartless person, he would have drawn red lines on many aspects, notwithstanding the hardship to the majority.


Agree with this too.

After a long time reading something that made ne sit up.
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At the beginning of 2014, I was hopeful that this would be the time to reconcile what the idea of India is. Once there was a sufficient understanding and agreement among the upper echelons of the government and intellectual circles, I believed we would be able to define our strategic objectives in pursuit of those established ideals.

Even after more than a decade, we (or at least I) still do not have a clear idea of what India’s civilizational goals are, or how our strategic thinking is being shaped in pursuit of them. Without a reasonable understanding of these goals permeating certain sections of the population, it is difficult—and perhaps even unfair—to expect the public to reform, even in small ways or through individual actions.

So, as India and as Indians, are we merely the keepers and protectors of the land and people within our borders, with a strategy focused on maintaining control over both and ensuring prosperity?
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X- Post from W. Asia thread. I believe that we need to have a conversation around this given that Pax-Americana is increasingly looking fraught.
Mukesh.Kumar wrote: 18 Mar 2026 00:52 Increasingly, I am coming to view this war as America's Suez moment. Britain and France could have carried the Suez campaign militarily through, but it was their ally America, which withdrew support, and that signaled world opinion turning decisively against them. And so it feels about the US now.

No one will go against the US and Israel, but in capitals across the world US envoys seeking support for keeping Hormuz Strait open will find colder responses.

Two articles that caught my eye on this:
  1. In Fortune-Ray Dalio warns a brutal ‘final battle’ for the Strait of Hormuz is coming—and losing could end the American empire. I will pay attention becuse it came out in Fortune and the guy headed one of the largest hedge funds. This is Capital sounding the bugle
  2. How America’s War on Iran Backfired-Tehran Will Now Set the Terms for Peace-Published in Foreign Affairs and authored by an old State Department hand. It's kind of like parts of the establishment sending out indirect signals that US has overplayed its hand. And he was on Trump's Iran negotiation team for Iran last year. He highlights a fact that I had sensed talking to my Iranian friends earlier-
    In 2023, while serving as Iran director at the National Security Council, I attended a diplomatic meeting with an Iranian official in the aftermath of a major protest. Surprisingly, the official acknowledged strong opposition to the Islamic Republic. Yet he cautioned that the United States failed to understand that an equal number of Iranians were prepared to die for the regime and pointed out that most Iranians just wanted a better day-to-day life. Although he didn’t break it down into numbers, I began thinking of this as the 20-20-60 ratio. Twenty percent of Iranians are dedicated to the downfall of the Islamic Republic, 20 to its preservation, and the remainder to a better life.

    I long assumed that after Khamenei died, the Iranians who wanted a better life would join forces with those strongly opposed to the Islamic Republic and force the country’s leaders down a different path than the one the supreme leader had charted. But the bitter irony is that the U.S. and Israeli approach to the recent war afforded Khamenei a martyr’s death—a gift to the regime, as it diverted attention away from the Islamic Republic’s failures.
What will happen of the war are not the main questions anymore. We need to think what this means for India in terms of:
  1. Energy security
  2. Technological security
  3. Relationship with GCC and Israel
  4. Multilateral fora like the UN
  5. Decoupling from an ebbing US Economy and the USD
  6. Conversely, how to manage Co-Opetition with China for Russian fuel, economy, influence
  7. Impact on repatriations from GCC
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Jay wrote: 18 Mar 2026 00:34 At the beginning of 2014, I was hopeful that this would be the time to reconcile what the idea of India is. Once there was a sufficient understanding and agreement among the upper echelons of the government and intellectual circles, I believed we would be able to define our strategic objectives in pursuit of those established ideals.

Even after more than a decade, we (or at least I) still do not have a clear idea of what India’s civilizational goals are, or how our strategic thinking is being shaped in pursuit of them. Without a reasonable understanding of these goals permeating certain sections of the population, it is difficult—and perhaps even unfair—to expect the public to reform, even in small ways or through individual actions.

So, as India and as Indians, are we merely the keepers and protectors of the land and people within our borders, with a strategy focused on maintaining control over both and ensuring prosperity?

Saar 400 was the call to implement this identity but neither the local party worker nor public in some areas understood what it stood for…. Instead BIF woke up for good and since then quom has started assault full time. It is in areas where the dharmic masses are in minority but it is coming soon in urban areas too and the classes will be impacted as well. Even I have hated some decisions of NM but fact is he has to work with the same BIF to get economic deals while holding his nose at the stink they raise … and geopolitical crisis have started since Covid. I only wish local MPs and councillors match his enthusiasm and agenda but alas like our recent history when the general is missing the soldiers run away or worse surrender to the other side
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Lack of Strategic thought should be the topic heading; just listen to



National security is an H1 game, we are caught in L1 disease” Lt Gen Raj Shukla (Retd)
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The current malaise that India faces is mainly due to systems inherited from the Britshits. We need to start from the constitution, a document crafted in videshi lands and completely inappropriate for governing a large nation like India. Next comes the administration, a Britshit system designed mainly to loot the nation of India and eventually morphed into the IAS/IFS/IPS. The exam criteria is not about being the brightest in the nation but some slanted obscure syllabus with values imported from videshi lands. The Next Britshit system is the judiciary, a patently time wasting and cryptic system far removed from dispensing justice to the citizens. Those who can argue in a archaic system of laws and your honour lordship with the most sleaziest lawyers does not inspire a sense of right and wrong in the nation. The entire system is rigged and makes no sense.

The problem in perpetuating such systems is that it effectively causes a slowdown of GDP of several percentage points. The nation is no better as has been proven over decades of misrule and shoddy output from these Britshit systems. Does any system work for the good of the citizen. You see chaos everywhere, no adherence to law, things are decaying and neglected. It is one chaotic cesspool of a system that repeatedly fails the basics of good governance. Urban filth, run down trains, complaints ignored, misrule everywhere. The politicos cannot affect change since they have no better alternative and the nation is locked into the system with procedures and stifling rules. For India the only saving grace would be an IT system with some AI to replace the majority of the current pack of jokers who infest such Britshit systems. 90+% of judicial rulings are possible with such systems which would do a better job than honourable judge and their sleezy lawyers. Most of the procedures can be replaced with workflow tools which are self explainatory and easy to use. Corruption is due to such systems not being made available to the common folks. You need a license you have have to run around some low level clerk who will magically furnish you a form to fill out (but they are out of it perpetually if you don't pay the usual bribe).

The entire IAS/IFS/IPS should be axed. Instead separate IAS from IFS and IPS and groom a system wherein academic excellence matters, experience matters and continuous training groom such people in different streams. At any given time, if you don't perform you are axed and other capable candidates replace you. At the top only experts with proven capability get to man the top rank jobs and ethics is paramount for such positions. Without a wholesale change from such Britshit systems India is not going to be a top tier nation.
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Re: Evolution of Indian Strategic Thought-1

Post by VinodTK »

^^^ Sir jee, the fish rots from the head
start with the defense minister move him to some other position
put in qualified younger person in his 50's
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