India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Jay]

Churchill only saw Hitler as a competitor, Churchill was a bigger psychopath genocide

Ken Follet in WINTER OF THE WORLD writes that Churchill started bombing German schools killing children but Hitler resisted reciprocating for six months; & finally retaliated due to immense public pressure

Not saying that churchill is not a violent psychopath, but the book Winter of World is a fictional novel, not a historical book. Also, did not germany start the air war on britain (The Blitz) before their planned invasion across the channel?

https://libertarianism.uk/2025/06/09/wh ... ld-war-ii/

[Manish_P]

... Also, did not germany start the air war on britain (The Blitz) before their planned invasion across the channel?

https://libertarianism.uk/2025/06/09/wh ... ld-war-ii/

From the very link you have quoted...

It is a persistent claim, often repeated in print and online, that Britain bore no responsibility for launching the strategic bombing of civilians in the Second World War. This is, at best, a misleading summary of events. It contains partial truths, but the overall impression it creates—that Germany began the mutual civilian bombing campaign and Britain merely responded—is historically inaccurate. The record, when read in full, shows that Britain was the first to launch a deliberate strategic bombing raid against civilian targets in the enemy homeland during the Second World War. The German Blitz was a reaction, not a provocation.

[Vayutuvan]

@Jay saar, your inglipees teacher would be very sad.

Also, did not germany start the air war on britain Also, did Germany not start the air war on Britain?

[vera_k]

How gangs connected to India are terrorizing a California immigrant community

[Manish_Sharma]

Churchill only saw Hitler as a competitor, Churchill was a bigger psychopath genocide

Ken Follet in WINTER OF THE WORLD writes that Churchill started bombing German schools killing children but Hitler resisted reciprocating for six months; & finally retaliated due to immense public pressure

Not saying that churchill is not a violent psychopath, but the book Winter of World is a fictional novel, not a historical book. Also, did not germany start the air war on britain (The Blitz) before their planned invasion across the channel?

https://libertarianism.uk/2025/06/09/wh ... ld-war-ii/

No but Follet sticks to facts other than fictional character, as he is MA in History & he corrected himself here from his previous novel 'Jackdaws' where he had done == in Britain & Germany bombing each other's schools, but layer when pointed out he did his own research as a historian & corrected it decade later in WINTER OF THE WORLD

He had even acknowledged his mistake in one interview to french paper

If he had wrongly accused Churchill then Churchill cult (anglos of both right and left) would have buried him.

[Jay]

@Jay saar, your inglipees teacher would be very sad.

Also, did not germany start the air war on britain Also, did Germany not start the air war on Britain?

They will be crushed, I say...

[Vayutuvan]

INVESTIGATION UPDATE: Editor “Kautilya3” controls over 20% of the
@HinduAmerican page. Public revision logs show a consistent pattern: this account repeatedly restores the phrase “Hindu nationalist” in the opening paragraph — the text search engines and AI systems display.

Whenever another editor removed or softened the phrase, Kautilya3 restored it within hours, locking in a specific framing.
THREAD

Very slippery guy, this Wikipedia editor. He has a way with words. He relentlessly pushes the case for Kukis in Manipur on Wikipedia. There was an attempt at arbitration on that issue. One woman editor - who herself had a lot of experience as an editor - had complained about this non-NPV, and asked that Kautilya3 be banned permanently. That attempt failed to pass due to Kautilaya3's influence and the cotery operating out of the UK. There is a good chance that he is an Indian-origin professor in a UK university, so are his chemchas (or maybe he is one of the chemchas of Jim boy Whales). There is a good chance that he might even be getting funding from the Wikimedia Foundation for his research on top of having a dog in the fight in Manipur.

[uddu]

Indian because of the name? Those are Pseudo names you can adopt at will. You can be Mullah Vayutuvan. If he is not kicked out means he is an employed Agint, even multiple people utilizing the id to push propaganda against Hindus and India. Also they will not act against Anti-India editors. Only if they become nuisance or seems worthless for their agenda, get's the boot. Else no. Wikipedia is a platform to reinforce the western perception of the world on to the masses without any challenge along with narratives for Agint operations.

[Vayutuvan]

@uddu gaaru, I have my own reason to believe that he is an Indian-origin professor. I am almost sure who that man is IRL.

[Vayutuvan]

Indian because of the name? Those are Pseudo names you can adopt at will. You can be Mullah Vayutuvan.

@uddu gaaru, please take a look at this post of mine in AI dhaga.

viewtopic.php?p=2678704#p2678704

[Amber G.]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs charged under President Trump after the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful.
Beginning today, businesses can file claims through a new customs system.

Over 330,000 importers across 53 million shipments are expected to be eligible.

Once approved, refunds plus interest will be paid within 60 to 90 days

[KL Dubey]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs....

viewtopic.php?p=2628572&hilit=tariffs#p2628572
viewtopic.php?p=2637449&hilit=tariffs#p2637449
viewtopic.php?p=2671164&hilit=tariffs#p2671164

As predicted by "select few forum members", this entire exercise has turned out to be illegal, tiring, time-wasting, zero-revenue, wasting taxpayer dollars for government employees to do useless tasks, and draining productivity of businesses to waste time filing refund requests, etc etc.

Not to mention the tacky "press conferences" back in 2025 with poster boards listing random tariff percentages for different countries, and the seedy/amateur "negotiation" tactics with different countries. Tawdry spectacle all round.

Most importantly, this drama has catalyzed the whole world to take trade agreements to the next level (that don't include the US). Bharat showed spectacular success in FTA/PTA negotiations. Even the USMCA/CUSMA - coming up for renewal this year - could be doomed entirely or diluted to a useless agreement. All this will greatly undercut US power in global trade and there seems no looking back - unfortunate reality for our future generations here in the US.

[Amber G.]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs....

viewtopic.php?p=2628572&hilit=tariffs#p2628572
viewtopic.php?p=2637449&hilit=tariffs#p2637449
viewtopic.php?p=2671164&hilit=tariffs#p2671164

..Also as ... JCPOA is being tweeted by the stable genius..(Kid you not)

[sanjayc]

@uddu gaaru, I have my own reason to believe that he is an Indian-origin professor. I am almost sure who that man is IRL.

We need to put the fear of God in these kind traitors. India needs a Patriots Act against Indians indulging in ant-India activities abroad. Many Indians are involved in treason against the country abroad in return for jobs or money. Many professors are complicit

[uddu]

USA Opens A Portal To Refund Tariffs After Supreme Court Order, Indian Exporters Eye $12 Billion
A refund system for importers is being launched after the US Supreme Court ruled that tariffs imposed under President Donald Trump’s administration were issued without proper constitutional authority.

[uddu]

We need to put the fear of God in these kind traitors. India needs a Patriots Act against Indians indulging in ant-India activities abroad. Many Indians are involved in treason against the country abroad in return for jobs or money. Many professors are complicit

Admins should think of adding a thumbs up smiley to the list of smileys. Even thumbs up and down for a post will be great.

[bala]

A refund system for importers is being launched

This is another moronic system, the importers don't need to be refunded. The end consumer is the one who paid the tariff and the money should go back to them but How do you do that? The importers are laughing at the Supreme court directive and looking at a windfall for themselves. Courts should not interfere with the Executive otherwise we get such ridiculous rulings from Dem leaning justices. They should have stopped the tariffs and let it be that, instead they stuck their moronic thinking into refunds, etc. The US Deep state thanks the Supreme court folly.

[Amber G.]

A refund system for importers is being launched

This is another moronic system, the importers don't need to be refunded. The end consumer is the one who paid the tariff and the money should go back to them but How do you do that? The importers are laughing at the Supreme court directive and looking at a windfall for themselves. Courts should not interfere with the Executive otherwise we get such ridiculous rulings from Dem leaning justices. They should have stopped the tariffs and let it be that, instead they stuck their moronic thinking into refunds, etc. The US Deep state thanks the Supreme court folly.

Bala saar, your "Deep State" radar might need a bit of recalibration. ![ ]

A few points to consider before we dismiss the entire US legal system:

The "Moronic System" is Old News: This "moronic system" wasn't a surprise; it has been discussed right here on this forum for months. Even just before Uddu's post you just seem to have found out and quoted above :eg:

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs charged under President Trump after the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful.

Or :

• viewtopic.php?p=2678862#p2678862
  viewtopic.php?p=2628572&hilit=tariffs#p2628572
  viewtopic.php?p=2637449&hilit=tariffs#p2637449
  viewtopic.php?p=2671164&hilit=tariffs#p2671164

Not to mention, Guptaji's and others numerous posts such as <>

• We knew the mechanics of the refund portal were being built because the legal writing was on the wall. It's not a "windfall"—it’s a court-ordered return of funds collected without constitutional authority.

"Dem Leaning" Justices? : Calling this a "ridiculous ruling from Dem leaning justices" is quite a stretch. This wasn't a partisan split. It was an overwhelming ruling (8-1) that included nearly all of Trump’s own appointees. When Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett agree that the Executive overstepped its Article I authority, it’s not "liberal activism"—it’s basic Constitutional Law 101.

Deep State vs. The Law: Labeling the enforcement of constitutional limits as "Deep State stupidity" is a bit rich. The Executive Branch isn't a monarchy; it can't just levy taxes (tariffs) indefinitely without proper Congressional backing. The Court didn't "interfere"—it simply reminded the Executive that they aren't above the law.

The Logic of the Case: Having followed the arguments closely and having had the opportunity to hear Neal Katyal discuss the nuances of this case (and having chatted with him after a talk he recently gave on this subject), the brilliance of the presentation was undeniable. The logic he used in front of SCOTUS regarding the separation of powers was airtight. If one listens to the actual proceedings instead of the soundbites, the legal necessity of the refund becomes very clear.

It’s easy to blame "leaning justices," but in this case, the law actually mattered more than the politics. ![ ]

[bala]

At the end of the day, refunding things to importers is the most moronic thing deviced in the US and the US has its fair share of stupid people hugging the lower end of the gaussian curve. Giving the money back to the importers (many of whom are US deep state companies) is robbing the common aam aadmi to pay these importers a hefty fee back. All these don't matter for judicial rulings? kya bakwas are these moronic people upto, even a 12 yr old will know better than these learned justices & lawyers (who need to be replaced with a Good AI program).

[saip]

And again the OM wanted it this way. He knew who collects (even his monkey's brain) and who pays the tariffs. He knew the 'Deep State Companies" he or his friends own will get the windfall. He being the part of deep state (that is the reason for his win in 2024) he wants them to benefit - what a marvellous, true GENIUS.

BTW the additional $5 I paid for my coffee, I will never get it back. I am out of here

[Amber G.]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs charged under President Trump after the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful.
Beginning today, businesses can file claims through a new customs system.

Over 330,000 importers across 53 million shipments are expected to be eligible.

Once approved, refunds plus interest will be paid within 60 to 90 days

Ignoring side trolling - From Bloomberg :
Bloomberg Trump Encourages Companies Not to Seek Tariff Refunds

President Donald Trump said he’d remember companies that decline to seek refunds on duties paid after the Supreme Court struck down a large swath of his tariffs.

“It’s brilliant if they don’t do that,” Trump said Tuesday on CNBC in response to a question about whether companies such as Amazon.com Inc. and Apple Inc. should request refunds on duties that have now been deemed unlawful. “If they don’t do that, I’ll remember them.”
<snip>

Meanwhile:

Total Refund Pool: Approximately $166 billion is being repaid by the U.S. government.
India's Share: It is estimated that $10 billion to $12 billion of these refunds are linked to goods sourced from India.

Who Gets the Money: Under U.S. law, the refunds are issued to the "Importer of Record"—the U.S.-based company that actually paid the duty at the border.

(Since Indian exporters cannot file for these refunds directly, their recovery of that money depends on private negotiations:

- Indian firms that "absorbed" the cost of the tariffs to keep their prices competitive are now reaching out to their U.S. buyers to claim a slice of the refund.

- The biggest impact is in textiles, apparel, and engineering goods, which made up the bulk of the affected exports.

Many bodies- EEPC India are currently advising Indian businesses on how to legally and commercially approach their U.S. partners for these payouts.

[Amber G.]

And again the OM wanted it this way...

xpost: Tim Cook is stepping down as CEO of Apple.
I wish Trump would also step down.

Of course, I’m comparing apples to oranges )

[Amber G.]

Tim Cook is stepping down as CEO of Apple.
I wish Trump would also step down.

Of course, I’m comparing apples to oranges )

Not making this up..
Trump's 'tribute' to Tim Cook:

"I was very impressed with myself to have the head of Apple calling to 'kiss my ass.'"