India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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drnayar wrote: 24 May 2026 17:43
ah numbers .. :(( orange man loves numbers doesnt he. Means nothing tbh.
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https://x.com/ANI/status/2057410582765322353?s=20

Delhi: US Ambassador to India, Sergio Gor says, "... Investment flows are reaching new heights. Indian companies continue to expand in the United States, particularly in pharmaceuticals, manufacturing, and technology, while US firms are increasing their footprint in India’s fast‑growing market. I was thrilled to see Indian companies committing more than $20 billion in investments in the United States at the annual Select Investment Summit. Not only is $20 billion a significant figure, but all embassies compete to bring investment into the US — and we were proud that our embassy, working with partners in India, ranked first in the world, an incredible achievement."
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https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/20 ... 81492?s=20
Billion of $ Capital Drain into America from India ! From Global South to Global North ! And we are being told to celebrate this by Viceroy Gor !

America’s Predatory Economics at display ! Milking out Indian Billionaires, Companies for access & gravy train to continue. India needs capital & investment not America !

Ulti Ganga Beh Rahi hain !
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https://x.com/KPSingh0809/status/205761 ... 45674?s=20
Buyers do not possess the leverage that creators and sellers of technology do. When you are at the receiving end, every exporter of technology dictates terms whether you like it or not.

The most overrated notion taught to our bureaucratic class, political class, and sections of the armed forces is that leverage can be purchased. It cannot.

Real leverage is built by creating technologies that the world genuinely needs.

The day India’s political leadership, bureaucracy, and armed forces truly understand this will mark the true renaissance of Make in India. Mark my words.
https://x.com/PrasadSatya10/status/2057 ... 37351?s=20
For such understanding, we need Atmanirbar minds.
https://x.com/KPSingh0809/status/205762 ... 49816?s=20
Probably the way Americans and Chinese are humiliating and trying to constrain India's growth will certainly help in realising this soon.
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https://x.com/TheMilObserverr/status/20 ... 92624?s=20
America said it is ready to sell India as much oil as India wants.

Jaishankar’s reply was simple and ice cold.

“If America puts America First, then India puts India First.”

India’s responsibility is to provide affordable and secure energy to 1.4 billion people.

Not to satisfy geopolitical pressure from any side.

Jaishankar also made another point very clear.

India’s ties with Russia are based on national interest, not third country approval.

If affordable and reliable oil comes from Russia, India will buy from Russia.

If better terms come from elsewhere, India will evaluate those too.

That is strategic autonomy.

No noise, No aggression, Just clarity.

Jaishankar said exactly what needed to be said.

https://x.com/BhartiyNiveshak/status/20 ... 94119?s=20
No one received Rubio upon arrival in India. Misri giving a cold shoulder—walking around nonchalantly with one hand in his pocket—while Jaishankar openly discussed Russia in his presence. India has reciprocated well to the US.

@Sidhant
’s question on racism was spot on; Rubio was clearly caught off guard. A tougher question on China buying Russian oil without tariffs would have been ideal, but this was still good.

The only issue was allowing Rubio to meet PM Modi on the very first day for such a long, direct meeting. It should have been kept for the end as a purely ceremonial call and photo op.

India may have scheduled the early meeting to soften him up before delivering the bamboo. And it was not only in India.
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In short the whole Rubio visit is a large Chai biskooth exercise. it keeps the machine running until another circus from the Bahadur in white house. It is six more months and then Bahadur will become lame duck.
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India can get oil from Russia but NG has to come from either Qatar or, God forbid, from the US.
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drnayar wrote: 24 May 2026 23:16 [img...]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HJGdjMGakAE ... ame=medium[/img]

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That is strange. It is a good post. Why did they delete it?
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Rudradev wrote: 24 May 2026 21:37 The above seems to validate Chetak ji's observation somewhat
gajo vaa gardabho vaa...in USA they are all the same as far as India relations are concerned.
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Yes. Asking AI about connections between C. Smith and the current Pope, AI gave a long answer. I don't think they have a personal relationship but they agree on ideology. The final summary was:
While Pope Leo XIV must navigate relationships with New Delhi using quiet, careful diplomacy to prevent a backlash against local parishes, Rep. Chris Smith acts as the blunt instrument in Washington. By leveraging his subcommittee chairmanship, Smith aggressively pressures both the U.S. State Department and the Indian government to safeguard Catholic assets and religious freedom—aligning perfectly with the Vatican's underlying goals for the region.
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Rubio visit & the art of the India Usa deal

India is facing a dilemma with the US. Recently US has cozy-ed its way to China and we don't know what transpired between Emperor and DJT (with the Deep State goading behind the scenes). At the same time DJT and Russia may strike a deal with Ukraine. Such arrangements puts India in a bind. Make no mistake India is not an alternate to China in any sense. India is ploughing its own field and building up its strengths but it lags behind many areas unlike the biggies. The Quad is precarious nonsense, with Japan and Australia wanting India since they cannot depend on the US. Immigration to the US has soured big time and Green cards is in a mess for Indians. The goodwill that India and Indians had for the US is fast disappearing and recent election outcomes puts the US interference in various places as a huge question mark.

The aftermath of Op Sindoor and the Paki tango by the US is not exactly US India relationships. Delivery of engines (a deep state pulling of strings) has left India's atmanirbhata effort in aircrafts into a limbo mode. DJT takes potshots now and then against India and his obsession with failed marshal of Pukeland is grating on the nerves.

Meanwhile we have the Kangress in bed with SoreAss and China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82FIM162uHc


// btw Rubio recently said that there are stupid people in the US. He forgot to add that the current Administration is increasing looking stupid in the world. How many nations are pissed of with the US, not that it has to be nice and accommodating, but it has bared its fangs on one and all and is looking pretty stupid overall. The recent decisions reeks of naked greed of the Deep State of the US with their 300T loot of wealth across the world over the centuries including India.
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I think there is more than meets the eye going on with Marco Rubio's India visit. Most Sec of State visits are essentially top level diplomatic events by a high ranking cabinet member representing the views of the current Presidential administration, with no further agenda.

However, Rubio may be leveraging the visit to curry favour amongst the Republican base to support his own Presidential ambitions for 2028. It is widely rumored that the party is split between a hardline MAGA faction that supports JD Vance and a more conventional faction, which includes Neocons and Evangelicals, that was always a somewhat uneasy member of the Trump coalition. Rubio is likely trying to consolidate the "conventional GOP" support in order to mount a primary challenge against Vance, and part of that is adopting a loud public posture of "championing the cause of persecuted Christians worldwide".
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Vayutuvan wrote: 25 May 2026 01:29
drnayar wrote: 24 May 2026 23:16 [img...]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HJGdjMGakAE ... ame=medium[/img]

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That is strange. It is a good post. Why did they delete it?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 313181.cms

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Rudradev wrote: 25 May 2026 22:39 I think there is more than meets the eye going on with Marco Rubio's India visit. Most Sec of State visits are essentially top level diplomatic events by a high ranking cabinet member representing the views of the current Presidential administration, with no further agenda.

However, Rubio may be leveraging the visit to curry favour amongst the Republican base to support his own Presidential ambitions for 2028. It is widely rumored that the party is split between a hardline MAGA faction that supports JD Vance and a more conventional faction, which includes Neocons and Evangelicals, that was always a somewhat uneasy member of the Trump coalition. Rubio is likely trying to consolidate the "conventional GOP" support in order to mount a primary challenge against Vance, and part of that is adopting a loud public posture of "championing the cause of persecuted Christians worldwide".
Rubio has been left to the mercies of a peevish babucracy. In both cities, the local dm and dgp came to receive him on the tarmac, the admin did not even bother sending a minister or higher up party functionary as is the case for "smaller" nations. The pm gave him a grand total of 1 hour. Then his trip to agra was set at about 1-2 in the afternoon. Right now india is at a boil, and the taj mahal area by all accounts is a furnace, and rubio went in his usual suit and boot with the surrounding temp at 45 C. The first cause he is most likely to undertake is a fight against sunstroke and dehydration.
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The Marco Rubio visit is really a side show and does not matter much. The bigger issue is the China factor which looms large. In the DJT/Emperor meeting the issue of Taiwan came up. China wants to take in Taiwan and consolidate its power in the Asia region. Emperor sounded off DJT on Taiwan and DJT stayed mum, no defence of Taiwan in any stmt. Currently a peaceful reunion is what China wants from Taiwan, in lieu of forceful takeover. BTW DJT approved another tranche of weapons sale to Taiwan recently. The other thing that Emperor yelled about is Japan to DJT who got an earful. China is not happy with Japan flexing its muscle and could any day go nuclear if required. South Korea is another irritant for China. Japan is quietly rearming itself. That whole area has Russia, North&South Korea, Japan and China all jockeying for influence. North korea has gone to Russia recently. Japan has overtly sided with India and is part of Quad. Vietnam and phillipines are countering china bullying by buying things from India and Japan to defend themselves. Any US understanding with China puts a monkey wrench into Asia. India of course holds sway over Malacca strait with the Indian Navy. China oil supply routes all go through malacca, Russia can only supply a small fraction of China's needs.

DJT's main goal in visiting China is to make sure the Deep State investments in China via their companies, can be preserved and if needed safely remove them. The deep state via DJT has allowed china to make parts and ship them to nations like Vietnam, Laos/Cambodia, Thailand, Mexico, Canada, etc and claim trade exports are roaring numbers. Emperor had to nod his head for these requests. The Deep State has fangs into the CCP and if needed they can remove the emperor.
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Trump will appoint Rubio to the post of Viceroy of Cuba. /sarc
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Very funny indeed. Egg on the faces of all involved. :mrgreen:
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https://x.com/i/status/2058802617997013499
@TrulyMonica
Indian Journalist Sidhant Sibal was denied interview with the visiting US secy of State Marco Rubio. A whole section in our country was siding with that Norwegian “journalist”. Wonder how many will criticise Rubio? Or Amrikan Visa too precious 🤡
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EAM Jaishankar defines ‘India First’ policy at 250th U.S. Independence Day event in New Delhi
EAM Jaishankar defines ‘India First’ policy at 250th U.S. Independence Day event in New Delhi
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Donald Trump just called PM Modi "a great friend and said India can count on the United States 100 percent".

"We have never been closer to India,” Trump said while praising ties between Washington and New Delhi.

Amazing how quickly “hellhole” turns into “great friend” once geopolitics and strategic interests enter the room
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So this nobody Norwegian was presented with a detailed explication by a senior government official. Now you know why India is rated so lowly
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Hegseth hails ‘Powerful India’ defending National interests, praises growing military prowess

What happened? Complete U-turn after mollycoddling the Porkis and a failed marshal who had his ass whupped in Operation Sindoor. So many forays into the Anti India thrust, BD, SoreAss, Modi bashing and more. The recent China visit did not go too well for the US. Looks like the US deep state is cutting its losses in the world and seeing India as the new beacon of hope. Everyone in the world is making a straight beeline into India. The Euros, the former members of the 5-eyes of the US, the global south, the BRICS, Middle East, kya US is being left out of the parade. Japan and Australia are more interested in India in the Quad than the US. Now the US State dept with Rubio, the Pentagon with Pete Hegseth, all are rolling out the red carpet. The corporates of US have had enough and they are charging like a bull in a glass shop into India, more GCCs, more long term tie ups, massive AI recruiting in India, data centers, head count increase across the board - India thanks you for the herd mentality and yes the dollar rush keep it coming you punks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkWkwytGZzU


// i really appreciate Modi ji's wise leadership and carefully navigating India through these turbulent times and fickle headed world leaders who think one thing today and another tomorrow like they are geniuses guiding the world at large, their collective IQ down the toilet for the most part.
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https://www.realcleardefense.com/articl ... 85491.html
These developments expose a growing weakness in current U.S. Indo-Pacific strategy: the underdeveloped operational architecture linking the Western Pacific with the broader Indian Ocean system.

Yet the solution is not a traditional alliance structure. Nor is it a continuation of purely transactional cooperation. The future balance of power in Asia will depend less on formal treaty systems than on whether the United States can help capable regional powers build sustainable sovereign capacity before China achieves overwhelming industrial and military scale.

The Indo-Pacific increasingly requires a different model: sovereign interdependence.
ngl, my dhoti is of a weaker constitution, it instantly started shivering when i read this
Sovereign interdependence does not imply dependency or diluted national control. It reflects the reality that effective long-term deterrence in the Indo-Pacific increasingly depends upon the ability of sovereign powers to combine complementary geographic, industrial, technological, intelligence, and operational advantages while preserving independent political authority.

For the United States, this means recognizing that India possesses unique maritime positioning, regional access, intelligence visibility, and operational reach across critical portions of the Indian Ocean and adjacent corridors where American presence remains comparatively limited or politically constrained. For India, closer coordination with the United States provides expanded technological depth, industrial integration, ISR capabilities, and long-term balancing capacity against growing Chinese power projection.

Properly structured, sovereign interdependence strengthens the autonomous capabilities of both nations simultaneously rather than subordinating one to the other.

Cold War alliances were hierarchical and treaty bound. The emerging Indo-Pacific system instead favors distributed partnerships organized around converging national interests rather than political subordination. In such arrangements, sovereign independence and operational coordination reinforce one another rather than conflict.

This distinction is critical because India is not a peripheral security consumer seeking external protection. It is a major sovereign power with expanding military reach, technological capacity, and strategic interests stretching from the Himalayas to the Indian Ocean. Any structure that implicitly treats New Delhi as a subordinate node within an American-led hierarchy is unlikely to prove durable.

At the same time, the United States cannot indefinitely sustain a stable Indo-Pacific balance alone. The geographic scale of the theater, combined with China’s manufacturing depth, naval expansion, and growing maritime presence, makes unilateral American predominance increasingly costly to maintain.

For both nations, the challenge is therefore the same: preserving sovereign political authority while building the operational, industrial, and technological depth necessary to sustain long-term deterrence.

The next phase of U.S.-India cooperation should focus less on rhetorical characterization as “natural allies” and more on building integrated operational, industrial, and technological capability across several critical domains.



Existing military exercises and policy dialogues remain valuable, but they are insufficient for managing simultaneous crises across a contested theater. Recent Himalayan confrontations demonstrated how rapid escalation can occur under conditions of compressed decision timelines and incomplete situational awareness.

The bilateral relationship increasingly requires standing operational coordination mechanisms capable of integrating intelligence analysis, maritime surveillance, contingency planning, and crisis response across the Indo-Pacific.
maybe the writer is suffering from some form of year slippage, there have been no confrontations in the himalayas that can be termed as recent.
Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance architecture now forms the backbone of modern deterrence. Satellite intelligence, maritime domain awareness, missile tracking, and cyber warning systems are no longer supporting assets; they are central instruments of strategic stability.

India’s geographic position provides indispensable operational depth across the Indian Ocean. Expanded ISR integration would strengthen both American maritime posture and India’s own surveillance and border-management capabilities simultaneously.

Future deterrence will depend not only on force posture, but on the resilience of the industrial and logistical networks capable of sustaining prolonged operations.
Precision munitions inventories, manufacturing throughput, supply-chain bottlenecks, and production timelines emerged as major strategic constraints even for advanced industrial economies.

This is where U.S.-India cooperation becomes strategically consequential.

India offers engineering scale, industrial capacity, geographic depth, and a growing defense-production base. The United States offers advanced defense technologies, research infrastructure, and mature military-industrial systems. Combined effectively, these complementary strengths could materially strengthen long-term Indo-Pacific deterrence.

But deeper industrial integration requires more than political alignment. Advanced defense cooperation increasingly depends upon trusted regulatory systems, industrial-security protocols, technology-protection standards, secure production facilities, and reliable export-control enforcement.

This challenge is particularly important in the Indo-Pacific context because Washington has often underestimated how deeply India’s strategic culture was shaped by sanctions-era technology restrictions and long-standing resistance to external dependency. New Delhi will support expanded operational coordination and industrial integration, but only within structures that preserve sovereign decision-making authority and reciprocal institutional trust.

Understanding this distinction is not an exercise in diplomatic sensitivity; it is a strategic requirement for effective long-term balancing in Asia.
The Indian Ocean Gap
This requirement extends beyond the Western Pacific. Over the past decade, the United States and its regional partners have steadily strengthened distributed deterrence architecture across the South China Sea and Australia through rotational force posture, expanded maritime access, logistics integration, ISR coordination, and hardened operational infrastructure. Yet comparable operational integration remains underdeveloped across large portions of the Indian Ocean despite the growing strategic importance of maritime corridors linking the Middle East, East Africa, the Arabian Sea, and the broader Indo-Pacific theater.

This gap is becoming increasingly consequential. China’s expanding naval presence, commercial port penetration, dual-use infrastructure development, and military positioning near critical sea lanes—including the PLA’s entrenched position in Djibouti—reflect a longer-term effort to extend operational reach across the Western Indian Ocean and East African corridor. At the same time, existing American command structures still treat portions of the Eastern Indian Ocean and African littoral through fragmented regional frameworks that do not fully reflect the integrated nature of emerging maritime competition.

Additional uncertainty surrounding the future strategic posture of Diego Garcia further reinforces the importance of deeper U.S.-India operational coordination across the Indian Ocean. For decades, Diego Garcia has served as one of the United States’ most critical logistics, surveillance, and power-projection hubs linking the Middle East and Indo-Pacific theaters. Any long-term reduction in assured operational access, political stability, or strategic flexibility across the central Indian Ocean would significantly increase pressure on alternative regional deterrence architecture.

This reality further elevates India’s strategic importance. Unlike many regional partners, India possesses both the geographic depth and sovereign operational capacity necessary to help anchor long-term maritime stability across critical Indian Ocean corridors. Expanded coordination with New Delhi across ISR integration, maritime logistics, regional surveillance, and distributed operational access would help mitigate emerging vulnerabilities created by shifting geopolitical conditions across the broader Indian Ocean theater.
The central challenge is no longer identifying the strategic threat posed by China’s expanding military-industrial reach. It is building sufficiently integrated regional capability to sustain long-term deterrence across geographically connected theaters stretching from the Western Pacific to the Arabian Sea and East African maritime corridor. Without deeper operational integration, industrial coordination, and intelligence connectivity with India, core American objectives in the Indo-Pacific risk remaining strategically coherent but operationally underdeveloped.

Properly structured sovereign interoperability between Washington and New Delhi would help close that gap by combining complementary regional access, maritime visibility, industrial capacity, and logistical reach into a more durable balancing framework capable of sustaining long-term equilibrium across the broader Indo-Pacific system.

A sustainable Indo-Pacific balance will therefore require closer U.S.-India coordination not only in the South China Sea, but across the interconnected maritime system linking the Strait of Hormuz, Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal, Bab el-Mandeb, East African littoral, and Western Pacific. These waterways are not secondary theaters; they form the logistical and energy arteries underpinning both global commerce and long-term military sustainment across the Indo-Pacific.

India occupies a uniquely consequential position within this geography. Its operational reach across the Arabian Sea and approaches to the Strait of Hormuz provides strategic visibility into one of the world’s most critical energy and shipping corridors, while its position along the Bay of Bengal anchors the eastern maritime access routes historically central to broader Indo-Pacific sea control. Long before the emergence of modern Indo-Pacific strategy, maritime powers understood that influence across these interconnected waterways shaped the balance of global commerce and naval reach.

In the twenty-first century, this geography is again becoming strategically decisive. Properly integrated U.S.-India maritime coordination across these corridors would significantly strengthen distributed freedom of navigation operations, logistics resilience, ISR coverage, and long-term regional deterrence across the broader Indo-Pacific theater.

Conventional hub-and-spoke alliance structures developed during the Cold War are poorly suited to integrating a sovereign power such as India into long-term regional deterrence architecture. A more sustainable approach is one of sovereign interoperability: operational coordination, industrial integration, and technology collaboration designed to strengthen the autonomous capabilities of both nations simultaneously.

Properly structured, such a framework would advance core American interests by expanding distributed deterrence capacity, reducing pressure on U.S. force concentration, strengthening trusted production ecosystems outside adversarial supply chains, and reinforcing long-term regional equilibrium without creating permanent dependency relationships.
The most politically sensitive dimension of future cooperation involves selective shared infrastructure and operational access. Here again, Cold War terminology often obscures more than it clarifies.

The language of permanent foreign basing remains politically counterproductive in the Indian context. But substantial differences exist between sovereign foreign bases and jointly governed operational facilities supporting maritime refueling, ISR fusion, cyber defense, logistics coordination, or regional surveillance.

Properly structured operational access arrangements can strengthen regional deterrence while preserving sovereign control and mutual governance.
lol, dont know how sovereign control is maintained in a jointly governed operational facility
Critics will argue that deeper U.S.-India integration risks provoking China or accelerating bloc politics in Asia. But stable balances of power are not preserved through rhetorical restraint alone. Effective deterrence reduces incentives for coercion by increasing the costs of aggression and strategic miscalculation.

The objective of a modernized U.S.-India framework is therefore not confrontation, but equilibrium.
this one i can translate atleast, it means that the us wont actually fight when the time comes, the base is more of a symbolic gesture... for external entities, for internal ones it will remain coiled around the neck for a long long time in a real way
But the greatest obstacle to building a durable Indo-Pacific balance may not ultimately be military capability or industrial capacity. It may be the failure of Washington and New Delhi to fully understand the strategic assumptions, institutional sensitivities, and sovereignty imperatives that continue to shape each other’s decision-making.
no thank you, all trial ballons for a base preferably in the bay of bengal, earlier trials had bases on lease to tackle the imagined chinese threat, now the tune is modified into a jointly operational base but one where the sovereignty is maintained, quite a mouthful...which is incidentally anyone who is daft enough to enter into this relationship will ever obtain
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trump has wilfully trampled so very damagingly on India US relations that he has rendered the very concept of the relationship as not only defunct but almost totally incinerated something that had been nurtured so carefully over many past decades by multiple and pragmatic administrations on both sides of the equation.

It's doubtful if India will even try and attempt to repair the relationship, as long as, trump remains in the chair, preferring instead, to ride out the remainder of his tenure


The QUAD is as dead as a dodo. It has been watered down to a sporadic chai - samosa gathering between distant and casual acquaintances

The US wants from India what India will never give them, which is a kinetic intervention against the cheen when the amrikis give the order to "go"

The amrikis are sitting pretty thousands of miles away while India is facing down an aggressive cheen staring balefully down her throat on multiple fronts, all along the common, long, and shared borders

If cheen attacks India, the amrikis will never help out in the same way because that involves amriki body bags. They have amply proved this mentality in the war against eyeraaan, where they left their GCC allies completely unprotected, despite decades of assurances to the contrary

The QUAD, in its current form has the vision and mission statement of a small town kirana shop that four disinterested "partners" are trying to get off the ground without first having done the required due diligence

for the lost and confused amrikis, dealing with a highly pissed off India, no amount of 'साम, दाम, दंड, भेद' seems to be working





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All American agreements are America first., no matter however it is worded.
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drnayar wrote: 31 May 2026 18:38 All American agreements are America first., no matter however it is worded.


drnayar ji,


The amrikis probably thought that "mission creep" would gradually convince India to bulk up the QUAD to meet their kinetic expectations with regard to the cheen, but India has stood firm.

India will not go to war on behalf of any third country.
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Rubio actually came for rare earth minerals

He sealed the deal of our national wealth





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I am actually happy that the US clearly has shown their true colors via the wrecking ball of DJT. Everything done in stealth fashion by previous US charlatans has been exposed quite clearly and there is clarity in the world. The Big boys have naked greed and cannot be stopped. With China, everyone woke up to the realities after Covid/Kungflu outbreak. China has been exposed as the new rising bully in the world. The Euros were riding on the coat-tails of US for a very long time and also availing the cheap energy supply of Russia. Ukraine put a full stop to such behaviour. The US help for Euros is withering away and DJT is now extracting its pound of flesh from the Euros. Recently, the ME, which also rode on US coat-tails, is exposed and the US once again showed that its interest is in the petro dollar not in ME nations per se. Iran is being hollowed out due to its nexus with Russia and China. Iran was the global leader in state sponsored terror against Israel. Its nuclear threat was stoked by the US dumbocrats like Obummer. The mullah threat of Iran has been effectively thwarted by the US via DJT. Iran settlement is yet to happen but I think a de-nuclearized Iran without the mullahs is its future.

All the above has clarified things to the world. India needs to adjust to the new realities and stop its euphoria on friends/allies/goodwill/bonhomie and so on. The IFS/IAS cabal of India is coasting on wrong notions and requires a massive shake up. Needing to be grounded in real politics and quietly going about rebuilding India from the ravages of the twin conquest of Islamic hordes and Britshits is the goal.
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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bala wrote: 31 May 2026 20:51 I am actually happy that the US clearly has shown their true colors via the wrecking ball of DJT. Everything done in stealth fashion by previous US charlatans has been exposed quite clearly and there is clarity in the world. The Big boys have naked greed and cannot be stopped. With China, everyone woke up to the realities after Covid/Kungflu outbreak. China has been exposed as the new rising bully in the world. The Euros were riding on the coat-tails of US for a very long time and also availing the cheap energy supply of Russia. Ukraine put a full stop to such behaviour. The US help for Euros is withering away and DJT is now extracting its pound of flesh from the Euros. Recently, the ME, which also rode on US coat-tails, is exposed and the US once again showed that its interest is in the petro dollar not in ME nations per se. Iran is being hollowed out due to its nexus with Russia and China. Iran was the global leader in state sponsored terror against Israel. Its nuclear threat was stoked by the US dumbocrats like Obummer. The mullah threat of Iran has been effectively thwarted by the US via DJT. Iran settlement is yet to happen but I think a de-nuclearized Iran without the mullahs is its future.

All the above has clarified things to the world. India needs to adjust to the new realities and stop its euphoria on friends/allies/goodwill/bonhomie and so on. The IFS/IAS cabal of India is coasting on wrong notions and requires a massive shake up. Needing to be grounded in real politics and quietly going about rebuilding India from the ravages of the twin conquest of Islamic hordes and Britshits is the goal.



bala saar,


The US foreign policy was never built on permanent friendships. It was built on permanent interests.

Every ally eventually learns this hard and bitter lesson. Just imagine the plight of the britshits and the eurotrash today, even as one doubts whether hitler and his nazis did as much damage as trump has done to these two allies

Bharat should stop viewing amrika emotionally and start viewing it the way amrika views the world.... transactional and always putting their own strategic interest first.

this is not anti-US. this is geopolitical maturity, pragmatism pro max

The wrecking-ball effect is real and no amount of damage control or diplomatic sweet talk can hide the structural friction.

We can’t build a long term strategic partnership on the whims of transactional unpredictability.

Instead of a strategic partnership, the US for now wants working relationship with India due to the headwinds it faces from cheen, after xi kicked him hard in the nuts

trump had to cave during the signing of the US - India FTA, he had no option but to drop the tariff rate from 50% to 18%

India’s deals with the US and the EU, though different in architecture, different in scope, reveal the same underlying reality: India is a country increasingly comfortable playing the long game, flexible without surrender, patient without passivity, and willing to tolerate short-term pressure to protect long-term interests.

trump revels in the drama when an opponents pushes back because that's when he comes into his own.

trump choreographs both spectacle and spite, repeatedly shifting goalposts, threatening, insulting, irrational, and in your face, while constantly, repeatedly, and vociferously demanding capitulation

trump came up short against an opponent like Modi ji, who relishes the silence, doesn't reveal his cards through public displays of verbal gymnastics but is always watching, constantly evaluating the situation, works hard on reading his opponent to understand him better, and has the very patience of a saint, unruffled, unperturbed, but always situationally aware and ever willing to tolerate short-term pressure to protect long-term interests.

Modi ji's silence and the patience were key factors that made trump reduce the FTA tariffs from 50% to 18%. after the EU FTA was signed, and India showed that it had other economic options on the table, trump panicked because of FOMO, caved and signed. because if had not, then like nutlick said, the train has left the station

The EU FTA was stuck for over 22 years because of differences with the goras, but when that got signed by a desperate EU, the amrikis got mighty serious, mighty quick, not knowing what Modi ji was going to do next

All that trump has done after that was petty payback because he got humiliated
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Chetak saar, good points!

One thing that worries me to no end is that India is at a nascent stage and should not settle into "everything is fine" notion. Take the Videshi companies driving into India in droves and not to forget the GCCs which are tapping Indian talent to hone their products into better shape. The complacency factor sets in since the moolah is coming into India. But the bigger picture is that Indian banias need to wake up and create their own world competing products. They have to fund the R&D required to take on global brands of the world. Of course they can tap into resources that are readily available within India. Those working in GCCs, etc., need to bubble up enterpreneurs who can create the next products of the world based on their experience. The GOI also needs to realize the potential. Effectively India needs to dictate leadership in every area and the sooner they become leaders the better for the world at large. China is trying to do that and in some areas they are dictating terms.

Surprisingly the GOI has some products that are world class and Indian designed and built - the fintech UPI, the bharat taxi concept, bidding and tendering systems and more. But every area requires such original product ideas and I think the incubator that is Indian thought/leadership can create such products.
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