Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Jun 2009 22:27

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Jun 2009 22:47

Yogi,

IMHO, it is a matter of some within PA and ISI declaring - openly - to side with Taliban/AQ. Those that have decided have ALREADY done so. The issue - for them - is when is it a safe time to do so - the right moment. IMHO the Taliban already have got to the nukes.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 Jun 2009 23:23

In Malayalam, there is a saying. "don't reach for the rope as soon as you hear the bull has given birth".

Why all this bellyaching based on a statement from the Paki PM's office? Do they have any more credibility than Baghdad Bob? All we can reasonably surmise so far is that Gilani whined and whined about big bad India keeping cashmere and building dams and this Jones guy probably nodded non-committaly and went off after extractibg the GUBO he came for.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Jun 2009 23:25

NRao, IOL(french sources) says that the nukes are actually okay, and the US is working closely with Pak on it. Its not as unsafe as reported by media and debka.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 26 Jun 2009 00:01

[quote="SSridhar"]US Senate passes bill to triple aid to Pakistan
Bill Ignores Indian concerns, but places conditions on Pak
[quote]

us should provide some aid on war on maoism in wb

Naidu · Post by **Naidu** » 26 Jun 2009 00:06

Meanwhile, proving once again that joh Lahore mein gandu, Ameerika mein bhi gandu:

[Paki] tried, convicted in absentia

A local community newspaper in NJ wrote: According to a press release from the Internal Revenue Service, Syed Azhar, president of Access Inc. of USA, was convicted of operating an unlicensed money transmitting business, conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money transmitting business and conspiracy to cause failure to file currency transaction reports.

From in or about January 2001 through on or about June 17, 2003, Azhar transmitted to Pakistan more than $101 million that he had received from the New York businesses. In so doing, the jury convicted Azhar of operating and aiding and abetting the operation of an unlicensed money transmitting business or businesses in the state of New York.

Can't even take a quiet sh!t while reading the local newspaper without having to read about these gandus!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jun 2009 00:08

Munna is giving wrong impression of Indian Punjabis . The truth is we love Bakjabis so much that we are always ready and willing to bury all of them in our backyards,streets and major intersections of our towns and cities. All free of charge with quick efficency of big bad Djinn with a lovely Grin. Dont forget we treated them so kindly in 47 .

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2009 00:10

shyamd wrote:NRao, IOL(french sources) says that the nukes are actually okay, and the US is working closely with Pak on it. Its not as unsafe as reported by media and debka.

http://88.80.13.160/leak/crs/RL32745.txt
Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, an officer reportedly regarded as having ties to the Taliban and having been insufficiently responsive to U.S. requests for intelligence on Osama bin Laden. Musharraf also was said to have viewed Ahmad as overly ambitious and a potential rival for power within the military.

After Gen. Yusuf retired in October 2004, Musharraf named a close ally, Lt.Gen. Ahsan Salim Hayat, the Karachi Corps Commander, as the new VCOAS. Hayat narrowly escaped assassination in a bloody June 2004 attack on his motorcade, an event which appeared to confirm his status as an enemy of Islamic extremists.

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Good reason to believe its unsafe...

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2009 00:53

shyamd,

They perhaps are, I am not an expert on that, I have to trust the US on that matter.

However, my point is quite different. My point is that even among those that are taking care of the nukes, there must be a few that are cupboard Islamists. These guys - I surmise - have fallen through the security cracks. Waiting for the right time. Perhaps they are known to the Taliban or even perhaps they are not.

At the right time they will come out of hiding to declare themselves with the Taliban.

And, this would (IMHO) have a cascading effect on a few others to tilt the balance against the under-US-pressure (I really do not believe that there are those in Pakistan that are pro-US - even those under-pressure are Islamists).

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2009 00:56

shravan,

Hamid Gul? How much more "open" can one get?

This guy alone has to have some connectionS within PA + ISI? "some" = 100, 1000, 2000?

And, of course, our brothers the Chinese have defended Hamid Gul in the UN for eons.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2009 01:11

This from Dawn in 2001, this is a Paki in a major Paki newspaper:

Redefining the role of military

While it began as an heir to the British Army and maintained that non-ideological professional outlook, the Pakistan Army’s orientation underwent a significant change during late seventies and the eighties. Under Zia-ul-Haq a full scale programme to Islamize the army began. The general discipline of the armed forces, which levelled all sorts of ideological proclivities through strict institutional order, loosened. Symbols of personal piety became as important as professional hallmarks. Bearded officers proliferated.

That change in the character of the armed forces was also induced by the regional situation. The fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan was conducted in the name of Islam, and because Pakistan had a central role to play in that war, it suited the strategic goals and objectives of the then military leadership to emphasize the religious factor at home. That was the time when the term jihad gained currency in Pakistan’s military jargon.

Moreover, there were corporate gains to be made from playing the religious card: it deepened links with countries like Saudi Arabia and made it possible for the Pakistan army to solidify aid ties with the Gulf countries. Domestically, of course it fitted perfectly into Zia’s interpretation of Islam to his political advantage.

The cumulative effect of all these factors was that part of the army, which previously prided itself on being a national force inspired and motivated by the sole concern of guarding national frontiers, developed a psyche that transcended the country’s geography. Zia years spawned a whole generation of military leaders who actually saw the Pakistan army as the army of Islam rather than the army of Pakistan.

Throughout the nineties a tense debate raged between two schools of military thought: one, the minority, believed that the Pakistan army commitment was to all “Islamic causes”, and the other, the majority, believed that no cause was greater than the national cause.

The majority view prevailed, but there was no systematic attempt to settle the debate, and institutionalize its conclusions, as to whether religion should be simply a motivational force, or be allowed to influence the strategic goals of the army.

The famous failed putsch involving major general Zaheerul Islam, Brig Mustansar Billa, and four colonels during the tenure of General Abdul Waheed Kakar in the early nineties, illustrated the danger of this unsettled debate.

These officers tried to take over the army and overthrow the civilian government using the name of religion. One of the biggest concerns of the leader of the group, Zaheerul Islam, which, according to him, made him attempt the double coup d’etat, was the “non-Islamic character of the army leadership and their closeness to the West”. He saw himself as a purifier of the polluted echelons of power. He and his associates were caught, tried, punished and dismissed from service.

What makes anyone in the West think that these guys are not lurking below the surface? And, how can they be sure?

IMHO, there are a few of them there. For sure - 100%.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jun 2009 01:32

One of Mushy's first acts was to rehabilitate Zaheerul Abbas.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2009 01:58

NRao wrote:And, of course, our brothers the Chinese have defended Hamid Gul in the UN for eons.

What do the Chinese get from defending Hamid Gul ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jun 2009 02:02

He would spill their secrets.

munna · Post by **munna** » 26 Jun 2009 02:04

Prem wrote:Munna is giving wrong impression of Indian Punjabis . The truth is we love Bakjabis so much that we are always ready and willing to bury all of them in our backyards,streets and major intersections of our towns and cities. All free of charge with quick efficency of big bad Djinn with a lovely Grin. Dont forget we treated them so kindly in 47 .

Not giving wrong impressions! I ditto you word for word. It this love of ours that they want to avoid by projecting differences in Punjab. They fear Indian Punjabis due to 1947 and hence the attempt to wean Punjab away from Indian mainstream.

archan · Post by **archan** » 26 Jun 2009 02:07

shravan wrote:
NRao wrote:And, of course, our brothers the Chinese have defended Hamid Gul in the UN for eons.
What do the Chinese get from defending Hamid Gul ?

Pakistan is an attack dog available for international players for pay and it does their dirty job. China can use/has been using the pakis against India to hurt her in many ways, whether it is fake currency, weapons, intelligence etc. In return China gets a much weaker India, which is in its interest.
Note that the Chinese have been found to be selling fake malaria drugs in Africa with a "Made in India" label. They want to make a good image of themselves internationally. So it doesn't matter if they cheat in the Olympics, their image should be projected as fair, peaceloving and progressive country which is a rightful business hub for the world. But they have a challenge, and the challenge is India. They cannot do the dirty work themselves as it may bring them bad name - which is bad for business. So they hire an attack dog whose name cannot get any worse any way as the world knows it is the hub of terrorism. The dog is willing to do anything for a bone thrown to it.
To defend the dog's action carefully by creating doubts upon the actors' (such as Gul) roles, is no big deal. Even a poodle like UK does it.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2009 02:45

ramana wrote:He would spill their secrets.

I am still not getting it. I don't see any reason for China to support Hamid Gul & Friends.

I think they support them because then the can use their Services (ISI & Other Intelligence) to the fullest.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 26 Jun 2009 02:50

shravan wrote:
ramana wrote:He would spill their secrets.
I am still not getting it. I don't see any reason for China to support Hamid Gul & Friends.

I think they support them because then the can use their Services to the fullest.

Shravanji please spend some time researching Hamid Gul's (ISI) past. Also spend a little more time researching TSP's nuclear weapons origin and history. You will see the dragon's handprints all over the paki nuclear weapons. No one in China wants Hamid Gul to spill these secrets out in open as too many uncomfortable question will need to be asked and answered.

Ps: You may remember the words of this Hindi song
Parde Mein Rehne Do Parda Na Uthao
Parda Jo Uth Gaya To Bhedh Khul Jayega ...
It is the same with Hamid Gul and China.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2009 02:55

BijuShet wrote:Shravanji please spend some time researching Hamid Gul's (ISI) past. Also spend a little more time researching TSP's nuclear weapons origin and history. You will see the dragon's handprints all over the paki nuclear weapons. No one in China wants Hamid Gul to spill these secrets out in open as too many uncomfortable question will need to be asked and answered.

I get the Nuclear Part and its not a secret to India or the World. They are gifts from China which will be given to India by Pakistan.

Is there any other secret I am missing ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Jun 2009 03:32

The only reason why China will support a Hamid Gul is because of the guy's usefulness against India. He is a useful tool to direct terror ire against India, perhaps he is even the designated authority to whom Pakistan's JDAM option is entrusted with. He could also be the person who was the unofficial conduit in what was pinned on A Q Khan.

What sordid secret exists between Gul and the Chinese that the US or India would not know of? Osama Bin Laden? Nukes? Proliferation?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Jun 2009 04:23

Gul is also a rabid anti-US individual,who (correctly) blames most of Pak's problems upon the US.The US has used and abused Pak (willingly,by its crore commanders) for decades and will not give up its strategic squat in the Indian sub-continent.In fact,it is withdrawing from Iraq gradually only to increase its presenece in Af-Pak. China is also alarmed at this squat and would like to see the US depart in pieces! Paki military men anti-US in attitude,along with assistance from China,could pose a serious threat to the US's plans.How India preserves its own legitimate interests in this part of the sub-continent is another matter,best achieved through networking with Central Asian powers and Russia and developing our own areas and individuals of interest.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 26 Jun 2009 04:24

A very strange Taliban burial

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 26 Jun 2009 04:38

Prem wrote:Munna is giving wrong impression of Indian Punjabis . The truth is we love Bakjabis so much that we are always ready and willing to bury all of them in our backyards,streets and major intersections of our towns and cities. All free of charge with quick efficency of big bad Djinn with a lovely Grin. Dont forget we treated them so kindly in 47 .

That's more like it. I didn't take munna 's ( most favored non nato ally ? ) post seriously.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 26 Jun 2009 04:39

Pakistan is an attack dog available for international players for pay and it does their dirty job

Archanji:
Last time some one suggested that, It caused a major riot...(Click image for larger view)

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Jun 2009 04:49

If this report is true,then expect Pak to launch a terrorist attack very soon,to esvcalate tension and prevent any rtoop withdrawl from the broder.The paki military scumbags and their gospel of hate against India has to be destroyed completely if the two nations are to live in peace.Continued US suipport for these sh*tworms of the Paki military only prolongs their existence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... tente.html

Pakistan's Asif Zardari faces army rebellion over India detente
Pakistan's president Asif Zardari is locked in a power struggle with his own army chiefs over his plans to ease tensions with its traditional enemy, India.

By Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad and Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Published: 4:59PM BST 25 Jun 2009

Mr Zardari is accused of yielding to British and American pressure. Photo: EPA
According to sources close to Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Kiyani, senior officers are alarmed at the president's plans to divert troops and aircraft defending Pakistan's border with India and deploy them in a new offensive against Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.

Their rift emerged after Mr Zadari made a number of speeches earlier this week, in which he said India no longer posed a military threat to Pakistan and that his country's greatest threat came from Islamic guerrillas in its tribal areas along its frontier with Afghanistan. Such militants have waged a campaign of suicide bombings throughout Pakistan's major cities and control large swathes of its tribal areas.

Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf faces increased calls to quitHis comments raised hopes of a new thaw in the frosty relationship between India and Pakistan, but were questioned by analysts who said it defied the two nation's experience of three wars. They accused Mr Zardari of yielding to British and American pressure.

Both London and Washington escalated their lobbying of Pakistan to address Indian concerns after the November attack on Mumbai, in which more than 170 people were killed. It was blamed on the Pakistan-based Islamic militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Evidence showing the plot was hatched and launched from Pakistan brought the two countries close to war, and sparked an intense diplomatic campaign to persuade New Delhi and Islamabad to step back from the brink.

According to senior military figures, one Anglo-American gambit to Islamabad was a guarantee that India would not be allowed to attack Pakistan if its forces were redeployed to fight terrorists on its Western border.

Analysts last night said they did not expect President Zardari to win his fight to redeploy the army from the Indian border.

"Mr Zardari's statements do not mean that Pakistan will withdraw its troops from the border. For this to happen there has to be a reciprocal action by India," said Dr Hasan-Askari Rizvi, a political and defence analyst. "He meant that although India may represent a long-term threat, the immediate threat is from the Taliban," he added.

Lieutenant-General Talat Masood, a respected political analyst, said Mr Zardari's comments were a genuine attempt to shore up civilian-led government in the country by easing tension with India.

"He thinks civilian government will be consolidated if relations with India improve, he thinks it is in Pakistan's interest and for him the militancy is a greater danger," he told The Daily Telegraph.

Despite signals that India would welcome talks - possibly between their foreign ministers at a meeting of the G8 group of nations in Trieste, Italy, this weekend - New Delhi believes a willingness to deport terrorist suspects like Lashkar-e-taiba leader Hafiz Saeed would be a more meaningful statement.

Lt-Gen Masood said Pakistan's military chiefs firmly believed that there must first be progress in finding a solution to their dispute over the Kashmir region before a better relationship could be considered worth having.

Until then, the army chiefs will focus on India's vast military capability rather than its stated intentions. "Intentions can change, and you can't rule out the possibility," he said

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2009 05:05

Hamid Gul is a rabid Islamist, who like The Leader (and Mush just after 911) is biding his time. Gul will use any means to defeat his enemy - a non-Muslim (which will include China). IIRC (I have not been able to locate a URL for this as yet) about 5-6 years ago he wanted India to join him in throwing the US "out of the region". When asked what about India after that, he pretty clearly stated he will have no use for India after that.

Hamid Gul is the one who has stated that Pakistan will need to use nukes because India should be able to overwhelm Pakistan in about two weeks.

Why would China defend him? Because the Pakistani Army and ISI have use of him, and, that is a payment China has to make to get Pakistan to do something for China. Shows one the value of Hamid Gul in the scheme of things. BTW, he is on this-and-that list with the US SD - just Google "Hamid Gul US list". But nothing happens to him - he is even more open that Dawood Bhai, as Gul puts it "They know where I stay".

BUT, getting back to the point: Islamists and nuke: just this one person should be able to get to a nuke in a hurry I bet. And, he is far more rabid than a Taliban, perhaps because he has been quoted so often, but that is part of the game.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2009 05:10

What is this:

[CAUTION: You will be starting a new thread!]

BR on auto pilot?

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 26 Jun 2009 06:19

Philip wrote: Pakistan's Asif Zardari faces army rebellion over India detente
Pakistan's president Asif Zardari is locked in a power struggle with his own army chiefs over his plans to ease tensions with its traditional enemy, India.

By Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad and Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Published: 4:59PM BST 25 Jun 2009

Mr Zardari is accused of yielding to British and American pressure. Photo: EPA
According to sources close to Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Kiyani, senior officers are alarmed at the president's plans to divert troops and aircraft defending Pakistan's border with India and deploy them in a new offensive against Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.

Lieutenant-General Talat Masood, a respected political analyst, said Mr Zardari's comments were a genuine attempt to shore up civilian-led government in the country by easing tension with India.

"He thinks civilian government will be consolidated if relations with India improve, he thinks it is in Pakistan's interest and for him the militancy is a greater danger," he told The Daily Telegraph.

Wonder what makes Zardari come out with this when it is known where the center of power is. Does it seem to him that PA will not intervene at this stage and he can get something (what?) out by some posturing. It can certainly not be "consolidation" of the civillian government. Any idea if there (ever existed) any good reasons/rewards for any politician to risk getting into a confrontation with the PA? I see none.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Jun 2009 06:35

Hamid Gul: - in case you haven't seen it already (YouTube 53 sec)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw3VqBt7aKA

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 26 Jun 2009 07:31

Wonder what makes Zardari come out with this when it is known where the center of power is. Does it seem to him that PA will not intervene at this stage and he can get something (what?) out by some posturing. It can certainly not be "consolidation" of the civillian government. Any idea if there (ever existed) any good reasons/rewards for any politician to risk getting into a confrontation with the PA? I see none.

I think 10 % is truly fighting the PA for control, and probably the US supports that. If the civilian govt comes into control, 10% could become 100%. At this moment due to Musha- ruf's perfidy, the president is quite powerful. The PA which currently owns much of the factories etc, would forfeit those to the govt. He may also be thinking about grooming Bilawal. For all this, the army needs to be subservient.

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Jun 2009 07:37

Ayaz Amir in the June 26th edition of the News:

The Taliban are a threat to our way of life. But the Taliban, it bears remembering, were the product of our folly, the general staff and our military intelligence agencies (ISI and MI) chasing shadows and fantasies at the altar of muddled strategic theories.

Blaming the US for all our ills has become a national industry. We must look more closely at our own doings. Yes, the Americans will do what they perceive to be in their self-interest. But what stops us from looking out for ourselves? So unless the nation goes through a process of re-education, unless the military mind purges itself of the follies embraced in the name of 'jihad', Pakistan's soul will remain troubled and the fight against the Taliban will remain unfinished business.

The ISI depends heavily on the regular rotation of army officers moving in and out of its ranks. It should be able to attract the best university minds, which will not happen unless it becomes an agency like the CIA, the erstwhile KGB or even India's RAW , instead of being an extension of GHQ and the army.

Read it all:

What are our soldiers dying for?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2009 08:00

kenop wrote:Wonder what makes Zardari come out with this when it is known where the center of power is.

Zardari has been undone by Gilani, whom he expected to be subservient. Gilani grew a mind of his own after assuming PMship. He is out to clip the wings of the President and has been colluding with Kayani to pressurize Zardari. There are many instances when Gilani snubbed Zardari; incidents like the dismissal of NSA, rotation of senior bureaucrats, and most notably the resolution of the reinstatement of the CJ and the lawyers' agitation. Zardari knows that Gilani derives strength from the PA and he believes that the PA is constrained from mounting a coup. He wants to get the US support by appeasing them and putting the PA in a corner.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2009 08:16

On why the Ummah brothers aren't helping Pakistan with cash - Edit by Najam Sethi

Some quarters see negative Arab reaction to the finalisation of the gas deal between Iran and Pakistan. Unfortunately President Ahmadinejad has not only threatened Israel but also indirectly caused fear among the Arab regimes of Iranian hegemony in the region. Whatever the reason, the turning away of our Arab friends at this crucial juncture is something that should grieve us.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 26 Jun 2009 09:33

I foresaw this rivalry for power between Satan's army and President of Satan state. Unlike in previous times, due to the public backlash stemmed from the assasination of Benazir Butto, the position of the army is not absolute. Largely thanks to Musharaf, the army's reputation has taken a real beating in the eyes of the people at large. Till now, it has not recovered its former stature. The beating their paramilitary wing had taken in the hands of the rag-tag Paki-Bunnies had not helped their case either.

Zardari is a businessman. Like all astute businessman, he probably saw a chance of profit making ie: to put an end to this parallel centers of political power. Unlike the situation when NS was toppled, the present does not favor the military. The international community is not in the mood to entertain such a misadventure that would eventually cause them to pump more money than necessary into Satan's economy. Not when the whole world is facing crunch time. The Pakistani public would not support a military power grab either. After so many years of abuse from Colonels to twenty star generals, the regular abduls would be signing up to be suicide bombers if another coup materializes. Lastly, there is no critical mass in support for any general to stage a coup among the officer ranks. There may be tendency to stubbornly defend current status-quo or current spheres of influence but to go on to rule the country is not popular in the military. My take is that there is a Musharaf-fatique. After people have witnesses what has transpired in the streets of Teheran in recent days, I doubt the army could rule with peace in a land flooded with Kalashnikovs.

Hence, if we look at the picture, Zardari has the freedom to go on the offensive while A$$ Phuck Kiyani does not have that luxury. Advantage Zardari.
Avram

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Jun 2009 09:39

asprinzl wrote:I foresaw this rivalry for power between Satan's army and President of Satan state. Unlike in previous times, due to the public backlash stemmed from the assasination of Benazir Butto, the position of the army is not absolute. Largely thanks to Musharaf, the army's reputation has taken a real beating in the eyes of the people at large. Till now, it has not recovered its former stature. The beating their paramilitary wing had taken in the hands of the rag-tag Paki-Bunnies had not helped their case either.

Zardari is a businessman. Like all astute businessman, he probably saw a chance of profit making ie: to put an end to this parallel centers of political power. Unlike the situation when NS was toppled, the present does not favor the military. The international community is not in the mood to entertain such a misadventure that would eventually cause them to pump more money than necessary into Satan's economy. Not when the whole world is facing crunch time. The Pakistani public would not support a military power grab either. After so many years of abuse from Colonels to twenty star generals, the regular abduls would be signing up to be suicide bombers if another coup materializes. Lastly, there is no critical mass in support for any general to stage a coup among the officer ranks. There may be tendency to stubbornly defend current status-quo or current spheres of influence but to go on to rule the country is not popular in the military. My take is that there is a Musharaf-fatique. After people have witnesses what has transpired in the streets of Teheran in recent days, I doubt the army could rule with peace in a land flooded with Kalashnikovs.

Hence, if we look at the picture, Zardari has the freedom to go on the offensive while A$$ Phuck Kiyani does not have that luxury. Advantage Zardari.
Avram

Avram - this is a good assessment. The only reason a grinning Asif "I am a crook" Zardari survives is that Unkil and the West have made it clear that money will only come to a state that has a civilian head with an appearance of democracy. The leaders of donor nations would themselves lose the support of their people if they supported one more military dictator who appears to be usurping civilian rule and "destroying democracy" faulty as that democracy is in Pakistan.

Assphuck's hands are tied.

On the other hand Zardari knows that he must GUBO - or else...

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2009 09:43

the regular abduls would be signing up to be suicide bombers if another coup materializes

Avram ji,

"regular abdul": regular as one of the street or regular as in the army?

I have to assume both, with the latter more likely.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 26 Jun 2009 10:44

2 soldiers martyred, 3 hurt in Muzaffarabad suicide attack

MUZAFFARABAD: Two soldiers embraced shahadat while three others were injured when early this morning a suicide bomber exploded himself against an Army vehicle closed to Shaukat lines, Muzaffarabad, said ISPR in an statement.

The injured personnel have been evacuated to Combined Military Hospital (CMH) Muzaffarabad.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=81470

Question to experts. Is not Muzaffarabad in POK? Have there been violent actions against PAK soldiers there?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2009 13:16

r_subramanian wrote:2 soldiers martyred, 3 hurt in Muzaffarabad suicide attack

. . . . Is not Muzaffarabad in POK? Have there been violent actions against PAK soldiers there?

Of course, Muzzafarabad is in PoK. The December, 2003 suicide attack to assassinate Gen. Musharraf by two extremists was tracked down to HuJI & JeM. Mohammad Jameel, one of the two suicide car attackers was a Jaish-e-Mohammad activist from Balakot in PoK. Jameel was a resident of Torarh in Poonch district, PoK. The other suicide bomber was identified as Hazir Sultan, a Harkat al-Jehad al-Islami operative from Afghanistan’s Panjshir valley. Jameel (and Hazir Sultan) were airlifted out of Kunduz, courtesy Dick Cheney.

The whole of Pakistan, including illegally occupied areas, are terrorist in nature. Such are the wonders of the Land of the Purest.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2009 13:33

Selected Nuggets from TFT

Dick Cheney killed Benazir

According to Jang a squad organised by American vice president Dick Cheney assassinated Benazir Bhutto after she mentioned in an interview that Osama bin Laden may have been killed by Umar Said Sheikh. Cheney did not want Osama to be known as dead as that would remove the ground for the American troops staying on in Afghanistan.

Don’t call me ‘Busharraf’!

Quoted in Jang General (Retd) Musharraf asked the press not to call him ‘Busharraf’ because he was not a follower President Bush although he considered him a friend. He said Pakistan was not under threat from India, and Pakistanis should trust the ISI. He added that India will never attack Pakistan, nor did it have the capacity to do so.

Sectarian war in some cities

Columnist Nazir Naji expressed concern in Jang that Shia-Sunni violence was spreading in some cities of the NWFP and Punjab. After Kurram and Gilgit, the centre of this strife was located in Dera Ismail Khan. From here the war is spreading to Bhakkar, Chakwal and Dera Ghazi Khan.

India’s insidious thinking

Famous TV host Hamid Mir wrote in Jang that India tested its nuclear device in 1998 out of ill-will for Pakistan, thinking that because of its poor economic health it will not be able to respond with its own testing after which the country will explode. The columnist meant that not testing in 1998 would have aroused the Pakistani people and that they would have destroyed their own country or made it unstable.

America’s security will be threatened

Ex-ISI chief Hamid Gul stated in Jinnah that Pakistanis were fighting America’s war so far but if they decided to fight their own war then the security of the United States would be in danger. He stated that if the Taliban were true Pakistanis they should throw down arms.

Pameela Khan against military operation

Famous astrologer Pameela Khan was quoted by Nawa-e-Waqt, as saying that Pakistan was in the grip of two clashing stars Zuhl (saturn) and Atarud (Antares) that bring about nehes akbar (extreme bad luck). She therefore concluded that military operation would be counter-productive and that evil will win. {Hadha Kabir Haraam}

Faqir of Ipi was Indian agent

According to Hamid Mir in Jang, Indian prime minister Nehru began infiltrating Pakistan in the Tribal Areas from his embassy in Kabul. India called upon tribal leader Faqir of Ipi and told him that Jinnah had no beard and was not a good Muslim; he should therefore start working on a separate home for the Pashtuns of Pakistan.

Amir Liaquat Hussain on ‘begging’

Great TV personality Amir Liaquat Hussain wrote in Jang, that we are that bhikari (beggar) and dheet (obstinate) nation who fills its own ground with homeless poor people then seeks humanitarian grounds to ask for bheek (alms) from Yuhud-o-Nisara (Christians and Jews). For the last many decades bad-chalan (characterless) leaders had talked to the seekers of the world about worldly things and filled the threadbare national begging bowl with imdad kay note (aid money).

Indian trade route will carry bombs!

Chief Editor Khushnood Ali Khan wrote in Jinnah, that Pakistan should not give transit trade land rights to India for Afghanistan because India will carry on this route bombs that will be rained on Pakistan from Afghanistan.

FATA warlords and their armies {Order of Battle}

Writing in Jang, Hamid Mir stated that in North Waziristan warlords Maulana Sadiq and Hafiz Gul Bahadar have 10,000 men under arms. In North Waziristan the Dawar tribe of Mir Ali sided with Faqir of Ipi against British Raj but accepted Pakistan in 1947. Town of Mir Ali is the centre of war against Pakistan after 2004. In Bajaur, Maulvi Faqir Muhammad and Ziaur Rehman have 5,000 men under arms and are affiliated with Baitullah Mehsud of South Waziristan. Baitullah has warlords Maulana Tariq in Darra Adam Khel and Maulana Hakimullah in Khyber. In Khyber there is Mangal Bagh too, a protégé of the state in the past, with his army called Lashkar-e-Islam, but whose commander Namdar was murdered on orders from Baitullah Mehsud. In Mohmand, the militia of warlord Umar Khalid is responsible for attacks on Aftab Sherpao and Asfandyar Wali. In Orakzai, warlord Qari Shakil and his men are allies of Baitullah Mehsud. Opposing him are Shia Haideri Taliban. In Kurram there is a Shia Mehdi militia. In North and South Waziristan there are six important warrior groupings now united against Pakistan after the military operation.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2009 13:40

Philip wrote:Gul is also a rabid anti-US individual,

5th May 2009 - chinanews.sina
Pakistani former high-level officials: the United States against the threat of Pakistani nuclear arsenals over the extremist forces

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Great use of his Anti-Us Propaganda.