Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Jun 2009 23:51

NRao wrote:Paki editorial!!!

Editorial: Our demands from the US

on the issue of punishing the terrorists whom Pakistan has been using as “non-state actors”.

So jihadi state-recruited, state-trained, state-financed pakis are called "non-state actors" these days ?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 01 Jul 2009 00:22

shiv wrote: Maybe it is poetic justice, or maybe it is Islam's own paradigm of "self control" which we failed to see after years of discussing Islamism, but it seems to me that the first target of Islam is Muslims.

I dont agree with this, the question they are facing is where are the non muslims left to kill? They have already killed most of them. Historically though they have been clashes between muslims in Pakistan, if there are sizeable number of non-muslims in the area, the major burnt of the violence was faced by non-muslims - even in 1971, why would the PA target BD hindus, when there is no reason for it to target them? Whom did the Kashmiri terrrorists throw out in the first 2-3 years of start of terrorism?

I think that the first target in islam is not muslims.

And while Islam is constantly making Muslims kill other Muslims, they are always complaining that non Muslims are responsible for Muslim deaths. The only method to stop Muslims killing other Muslims in the name of Islam is to dilute Islam and force Muslims to openly (and without guilt) flout tenets of Islam that call for a death sentence or other harsh punishment.

Your theory is correct when there are no non-muslims around. It is only when they are not able to kill the non-muslims due to xyz reason, like they have already killed them or they are not able to kill more of them (like israel) that your theory starts coming to purview. It is simply an extension of me against my brothers, me and my brother against my father so on.

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 01 Jul 2009 00:46

In fact, the rank on the league table is not so informative as the actual change in the country’s score. For instance, Pakistan’s rank improved this year (from the 9th most failing state in 2008 to the 10th in 2009). Yet, it’s total failure score increased from 103.8 to 104.1 (See the article on the magazine’s website). Assuming that the good people at Foreign Policy have used the same methodology year after year, this doesn’t suggest an improvement in Pakistan—it suggests a worsening of conditions.

link

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jul 2009 01:18

In Islam its always the litteralists versus the others. The litteralist will find takleef with all others. In simple terms the others are not Muslim enough. Christianity was also like this till it moved to Western Europe and faced Renaissance and subsequent dilutions. In Islam, and Al Ghazali moved Islam away from such a refromist path and froze the thought process. So the shikwa should be with Al Ghazali!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 01 Jul 2009 02:46

shiv wrote: Such dilution has occurred time and time again in various societies. But in Pakistan the opposite was encouraged. More and purer Islam was fostered in the mistaken impression that every Muslim would turn around and attack the kafirs of India when they opened their minds to this pure Islam. However, Islam is doing what it does - clean up its own society and restrict its own power.

Question is will Pakistanis learn their lesson this time and try to liberalize the brand of Islam they have been following?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jul 2009 02:49

Dipanker wrote:
shiv wrote: Such dilution has occurred time and time again in various societies. But in Pakistan the opposite was encouraged. More and purer Islam was fostered in the mistaken impression that every Muslim would turn around and attack the kafirs of India when they opened their minds to this pure Islam. However, Islam is doing what it does - clean up its own society and restrict its own power.
Question is will Pakistanis learn their lesson this time and try to liberalize the brand of Islam they have been following?

No they cant. The reason is they are giving primacy to the Wahabist school which in turn is a return to Arabist litteralism of Islam. The old Sufi way is transforming due to the bullet and the bomb aka IED mubarrak.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 03:04

Dipanker wrote:Question is will Pakistanis learn their lesson this time and try to liberalize the brand of Islam they have been following?

The longer it takes for Pakistan to break up, the greater is the danger, that Wahabbism will spread throughout. The sooner the break-up, the sooner would the different ethnicities try to mark their terrain, and thereby less likely will they be to take over the Islam variant of the other ethnicity. With harder shells (borders and problems), the less is the likelihood for osmosis.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jul 2009 03:23

Other than NWFP, which is a gone case, the others will rapidly shed their deep flirtation with islam the moment that country breaks up. Pakistan punjab will face some problems because they are now highly madarsaized, with lots of training camps and weapons floating around, not much of an economy other than agriculture which is now at India's mercy.

Which is good considering that the root of all troubles that india and the world faces originates from Pakjab and not from NWFP per se. NWFP may provide the bases for the foot soldiers, but the brains behind this entire International Jihad bandwagon, all sit comfortably in Pakjab.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jul 2009 03:51

Rethinking the composite dialogue
Ass of Ez dhi

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=185815
The major reason why India has decided to resume dialogue with Pakistan in the not-too-distant future is their assessment that Zardari's personal agenda on Pakistan-India relations and India's long-held designs for the region are largely in sync. At Yekaterinburg Zardari made history by becoming the only Pakistani leader not to raise Kashmir at a meeting with his Indian counterpart. He is also keen to meet Washington's demand that Pakistan should shift more of its army from the eastern to the western border. India's National Security Adviser Narayanan was right when he said in August last year that Zardari, then the front runner for the presidency, "is very friendly to India." Narayanan lamented at the same time that Zardari may not be able to deliver on his promise of good ties with India.

India has therefore decided to build up Zardari's capacity to "deliver" – with Washington's help. Indian officials and commentators have indicated that by engaging with the civilian government in a dialogue, they wish to boost its credibility in the face of "military hawks" in Pakistan. India's concern of course is not with strengthening civilian rule, but with helping a ruler who is "very friendly to India." After all, India was very comfortable dealing with Musharraf's military dictatorship, once he abandoned the Kashmir cause in 2004. Narayanan in fact said in an interview in February this year that the Musharraf regime was better for India than the civilian government.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 01 Jul 2009 03:55

US-Pak UAV surveillance cooperation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/world ... .html?_r=1

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 01 Jul 2009 06:26

From link above

American intelligence operatives who conduct the armed drone flights inside Pakistan remain opposed to joint operations with Pakistani intelligence services, pointing out that past attempts were failures. Several years ago, American officials gave Pakistan advance word of planned Predator attacks but stopped the practice after the information was leaked to militants.

Pakistani officials say that they have continued to express frustration in private that the United States is not sharing the targets of the armed drone attacks in advance — revealing lingering distrust on both sides — and that the C.I.A. is not sharing the assessments of their strikes in a timely way, often giving them to Pakistani officials days after an attack.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jul 2009 06:41

"Joint operations" of any kind with Pakis is like a whore insisting that the groom conduct "joint operations" that include her with the newlywed wife (and get paid).

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Jul 2009 07:22

Wonder how our ISI007s don't know about drone attacks till CIA tells them

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 Jul 2009 07:39

X Posted.

Minister of State for External Affairs, Shashi Tharoor, on demands that minorities in Pakistan pay jiziya:

Tharoor asks Pak to protect minorities from Taliban

30 Jun 2009, 0341 hrs IST, ET Bureau

“We do expect Pakistan to look after all its people, after all they are citizens of Pakistan. Since Pakistan is in effect in war with Taliban in its own territory, I think it is safe to assume that Pakistan will have no sympathy for such demands from such people”

Economic Times

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jul 2009 08:26

Gagan wrote:Other than NWFP, which is a gone case, the others will rapidly shed their deep flirtation with islam the moment that country breaks up. Pakistan punjab will face some problems because they are now highly madarsaized, with lots of training camps and weapons floating around, not much of an economy other than agriculture which is now at India's mercy.

This is an interesting line of thought, although I would fiddle with the actual wording you have used. Let me explain that. I don't expect that Pakis will "shed their deep flirtation with Islam", but they will certainly be forced to choose between "versions" of Islam. This is a victory in itself because the standard fare that the world has been exposed to so far from Pakistan (as well as any typical Islamist) is that Islam is one and the same for everyone and everybody nd that there can be no differences or variations.

Pakis are coming face to face with that. There have been several recent articles from Pakis (some of which I have archived somewhere) that Pakistanis are genuinely convinced that all of Islam and all Muslims are invariably tolerant, peaceful and kind, and that any "extremism" is like criminal activity that you will find in any group of humans. Any attempt to link such activity with Islam is condemned as a kafir attempt to defame islam. Conveniently - the Quran predicts that non Muslims will defame islam, so the point proves itself.

The islamic world at large and Pakistan in particular need to come face to face with the stark reality of how Muslims and Islam are being used by fellow Muslims to wreak mayhem and murder. If there is enough violence and death there will be a slow realization that Islam itself is being practised in various ways and that no matter how much you blame kafirs, Muslims are ultimately responsible for much of the killing in Pakistan.

Only that can lead to a rollback of radical Islam. I believe that some progress has been made in this direction even in Pakistan. Let me put that down in point form to show the sequence of events (IMO)

First, Pakistan was formed and consisted of Muslims who were all tolerant and gentle and opposed to the kafirs of India. The goodness of Islamic Pakistan would triumph over the evil of India and wars were fought to achieve this - in the confidence that Allah would fight alongside the righteous
The Pakistani state failed in achieving this and was actually cut down to half its size in 1971. Instead of pinning the blame on themselves, Pakistani leaders said that although they were fighting a war for Islam, they were not Islamic enough, and started Islamization of Pakistan.
The Islamization of Pakistan allowed the Paki army and elite (RAPE) to create a second tier Islamic army who would fight kafirs with the same zeal that the Pakistani army had attempted to do and failed in earlier wars. At best these Islamic armies would be allies, and at worst, their actions were deniable.
The islamic armies were riotously successful with US aid in Afghanistan and this "proved" that Allah was on the side of the "deen" (pious) and the same forces were used against India and others.
Gradually the non-state islamic forces started failing in Kashmir and 9-11 was the final blow when the same guys attacked the US
So we have a situation now in which the Islamic Pakistan army has already failed in its fight against kafir India. The non state Islamic forces that they created have also failed to achieve the goals set for them either in India or in Afghanistan or anywhere else. If both Islamic forces fail in their goals does it mean that Islam is a failure?
Islam can never be a failure. It is the people who have failed islam. So the two islamic forces - the Pakistani state/army and the mujahideen are now trying to clean each other up. Both will not admit that Islam and Muslims have anything to do with war and killing. The mujahideen/Taliban are blaming the Paki army for being America's slave. The Paki army says the Taliban is supported by kafir India and Israelis. They are now killing each other.
And in the middle of this killing and mayhem, I am seeing the first glimmers of thoughts that ask if islam can be "misinterpreted and misused". That is called real "gyanodaya". Only such thoughts can eventually suppress the killer meme of Islam. They will have to stop killing to think. But if they stop killing, they will be allowing unislamic forces to take control. This is a really happy situation for those of us who are watching. Allah really does have ways of teaching people the truth.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Jul 2009 08:42

Pakis are coming face to face with that. There have been several recent articles from Pakis (some of which I have archived somewhere) that Pakistanis are genuinely convinced that all of Islam and all Muslims are invariably tolerant, peaceful and kind, and that any "extremism" is like criminal activity that you will find in any group of humans. Any attempt to link such activity with Islam is condemned as a kafir attempt to defame islam. Conveniently - the Quran predicts that non Muslims will defame islam, so the point proves itself.

I see this as a weakness in Islam. They have convoluted logic that is illogical.

I can understand Kafir defaming Islam. But ................ the "extremism" in this case are Muslims.

Other religions have "criminal"s too - granted, but , they still belong to that religion and not outside it. And, to that extent they too could bring a bad name to the religion they belong to.

Defaming Islam would mean that even the good Muslims are equally included in the defaming sequence.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jul 2009 08:47

NRao wrote: I see this as a weakness in Islam. They have convoluted logic that is illogical.

Islam need not be a problem at all. It is only the people who claim to follow Islam who can decide whether Islam is a problem or not.

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 Jul 2009 09:10

Pakistani Muslim Forces 12-year-old Girl to Convert, Marry Him

Police ridicule Christian mother for kidnapping complaint; others demand money, labor.

By Brian Sharma

LAHORE, Pakistan, The Christian mother of a 12-year-old girl in Punjab Province who was kidnapped, coerced into converting to Islam and forcibly married to a 37-year-old Muslim hopes to recover her daughter at a court hearing next week.

The reaction of Pakistani law enforcement authorities to Sajida Masih’s complaint so far – ridiculing her and asserting that there is nothing she can do because her daughter is now a Muslim – does not encourage her hopes of recovering her daughter Huma at next Thursday’s (June 11) hearing. ……………

Christian News Today

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 01 Jul 2009 10:12

shiv wrote:
NRao wrote: I see this as a weakness in Islam. They have convoluted logic that is illogical.

Islam need not be a problem at all. It is only the people who claim to follow Islam who can decide whether Islam is a problem or not.

You mean people like: Sabana Azmi, M. F. Hussain, and Shah Rukh Khan?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 01 Jul 2009 10:42

shiv wrote:
NRao wrote: I see this as a weakness in Islam. They have convoluted logic that is illogical.

Islam need not be a problem at all. It is only the people who claim to follow Islam who can decide whether Islam is a problem or not.

Havent they already given the answer? The answer is NO.

Alqaeda/kashmiri terrorists is only a misinterpretation of islam. I hope that mumbai terrorist attack has changed the attitude. I am not in India, so I cant say much. But I remember before how even the "elite" muslims were apologetic about hyderabad, parliament attacks by linking them to Kashmir, Palestine etc etc.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 01 Jul 2009 11:10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narma

Initially toward the end of September 1947 local Ex-servicemen of World War II veteran and civilian volunteers started forming up in the shape of revolutionary groups of freedom-fighters in varying strength mostly in platoon/company size groups. The revolutionary groups were named regionally as 1st Bagh, 1st Sudhnuti, 2nd Muzaffarabad, 7th Bhimber, 10th Kotli, 14th Rajuri and 15th Jammu Battalion. Captain Noor Hussain Khan,Ex-serviceman of World War 1&2 veteran had voluntarily joined freedom fighting and was amongst those who organized 1st Bagh Battalion. He commanded a Company of 1st Bagh Battalion and also worked as officiating Brigade Major. On 1 October 1947 the operation was initiated which simultaneously spread in other part of Jammu and Kashmir State. Initially freedom fighters of his Company ( 1st Bagh Battalion) amongst others met with quick successes against the State Army in Bagh Sector and by 22 October 1947 the State Army and Para-Military forces had been routed with substantial area falling in the hands of freedom fighters.

History repeating itself

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r3285.html

Next to the Punjabis, the Pashtuns have always contributed since the birth of Pakistan in 1947 a large number of soldiers and officers to the Pakistan Army (about 20 per cent plus). The FATA and the Malakand Division of the NWFP have a large number of trained and experienced ex-servicemen. It would not be an exaggeration to say that there is hardly a Pashtun family in the FATA, which does not have an ex-serviceman among its members. Taking advantage of the failure of the Pakistan Army to look after these ex-servicemen and keep them on its side, the TTP has managed to mobilise many of them and has been using their services not only for training its cadres but also for the execution of its operations.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 12:56

The real asset by Ahmed Quraishi: Jang
Some biodata of deputy-chief of Conspiracy Central:

I was ten years old, growing up in the Middle East with kids who were Iraqis, Saudis, Kuwaitis, Iranians, Palestinians, Yemenis, Egyptians, Pakistanis, Syrians, Turks, Sudanese and Afghans. And I distinctly remember how in 1982 and 1983 ...

Now I am having to share my fondness for MJ's music with this guy!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 13:21

Editorial: Untying the North Waziristan knot: Daily Times

Pakistan too has been blamed for nudging Haqqani to attack the Indian embassy in Kabul. Unfortunately, in an interview given to a London-based Arab journal Asharq Al-Awsat in April this year, an ex-ISI chief confessed that he had “sent his two sons for jihad” against the Soviet forces “along with the Afghan jihadi leader Jalaluddin Haqqani”. He further stated: “I am a retired official but the Al Qaeda Afghan elements — Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, Karzai (sic!), and others — are against Pakistan, but they are my friends”. He carefully left out Haqqani because he too had been blamed for involvement.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 13:46

Anatomy of Zardari-Singh meeting by Ijaz Hussain: Daily Times

The Pakistani government on balance may have a point because if the court has let Hafiz Saeed go for lack of sufficient evidence, this is nothing new. Courts have earlier ordered the release of individuals accused of trying to kill Pervez Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz on the same grounds. In this perspective, it seems that the Zardari government, despite being in the right, has failed to convince the international community of its case. That explains why the latter is not sympathetic towards to it despite it being the victim of Singh’s insult.

Justice in Pakistan is obviously done by letting every terrorist walk free. All those who criticize Pakistani justice are only the one's with sour grapes, because they lost the case. Besides all this talk about nature of justice in Pakistan is nit-picking and hair-splitting on semantics. Justice ho gaya na! Ab jayo!

Former Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri has counselled that resumption of talks should not become a daily mantra, especially when India does not appear to be keen about them; and that the government should conduct itself with dignity and restraint

What is peace? It is the cessation of violence. If Pakistan is not committing any violence on India anyway (Pakistan cannot be held responsible for its non-state actors, just as India cannot be held responsible for its substandard Bollywood actors), and India is not committing any violence on Pakistan (our leadership being too weak-kneed for that), then we already have peace. So what is the need for peace talks?

All this incessant carping on peace from across the border, disturbs our peace of mind. Please stop it. We can't take it anymore. Don't kill us with your love! All these peace doves being sent from across the border, are destroying India by shitting on all public places and public opinion!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 13:58

The irrational state by Dr Manzur Ejaz: Daily Times Dr. Manzur Ejaz whines for the good old days of whiskey and whores in Pakistan. O Please, bring em back!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 14:21

Pakistan now facing 2-front war in Waziristan by Saeed Shah: McClatchy Newspapers

Pakistan's military had sought to confine the battle in Waziristan to warlord Baitullah Mehsud, a rival of Bahadur and an ally of al-Qaida who has led the militant takeovers of several other regions in northwest Pakistan, but now it finds itself facing both Baitullah Mehsud and Hafiz Gul Bahadur, as well as a third Taliban commander in the region bordering Afghanistan. Maulvi Nazir, an ally of Bahadur, also announced the end of a peace agreement with Pakistan in recent days.

Until now, Nazir and Bahadur had focused on the insurgency in Afghanistan, threatening the U.S.-led coalition there but not Pakistan. If Pakistan persists in its offensive, the battle in Waziristan - a base for Afghan insurgents and for al-Qaida - is likely to have far-reaching consequences.

In February 2008, Pakistani authorities signed a secret peace deal with Bahadur, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials who couldn't be named because of the sensitivity of the issue. Since then, North Waziristan has been relatively trouble-free for Pakistan.

Pakistani authorities last week announced a bounty for the top Taliban commanders in the tribal area. The list didn't include Bahadur or Nazir, whom the army - according to many accounts - considered "good" Taliban, unlike "bad Taliban" Mehsud, whose violence has been directed at Pakistan.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 15:19

Couples counseling for India and Pakistan by Deepak Chopra: San Francisco Chronicle

The second new force is social, and it has arisen since the terrorist attack in Mumbai last November. The fact that the Indian populace did not call for reprisals against Pakistan, combined with Pakistan's seemingly genuine efforts to crack down on terrorist camps, had an unexpected result. The xenophobes and zealots on the right lost the recent Indian election, and now the ruling Congress party has seen a peace benefit in real-time politics.

A few Indians could have remained unconceived and unborn.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 01 Jul 2009 15:32

RajeshA wrote:Couples counseling for India and Pakistan by Deepak Chopra: San Francisco Chronicle
A few Indians could have remained unconceived and unborn.

Same old same old ...... WKK brigade

..... common this ....common that .... equal-equal ..... peace onlee BS.

It is all editor's fault onlee.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 16:17

While surfing I lost my way and landed at the deaf and dumb corner in Internet, and here is what I learned:

1) Where Pakistan was making a push for legitimizing the Good Taliban as a peace partner in Afghanistan, today after Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir changed sides, the deaf and dumb bots are saying, they should stop this whole nonsense with "Good Taliban/Bad Taliban" BS. Who said potatoes cannot learn?

2) They are all now discussing how big the nukes ought to be for hitting out at the Taliban. The going wisdom is 4-5 Hiroshima style nukes!

Not to worry! They have decided against the much stronger Lahori Channa Farts, so no danger to India! Phew!

So from my wandering in cuckooland, I was shocked to see how far Pakistan has advanced and overtaken India. Every asylum cell in Pakistan and Bradford now has Internet access!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 16:46

The Lahore blast and Taliban ideology by Huma Yusuf: Blogs Dawn

Islam variants debate in the Land of the Pure!

PS: not to mix with the Land of the Pure Ghee (Indian Punjab)!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 18:03

Pro-government tribal leader killed in Khyber

PESHAWAR: A pro-government tribal leader and vocal critic of militants was killed on Monday in an ambush near his home in northwest Pakistan, officials said.

Guli Shah, 60, was a main leader in the Koki Khel tribe in the wild, semi-autonomous Khyber tribal district bordering Afghanistan.

If it goes on like this, soon Pakistan will be having more friends outside (total: 3½) than in the Pushtun areas of Pakistan (unless one starts counting them in halves and other kafir fractions).

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 01 Jul 2009 18:34

Terror in Mumbai (49 mins video)

Description:

The untold story of 2008's terrorist attack, in the words of its victims and the gunmen. The programme contains graphic images and descriptions of the atrocity which may upset some viewers. Produced and directed by award-winning filmmaker Dan Reed, Terror in Mumbai tells the story of what happened when 10 gunmen held one of the world's busiest cities hostage; killing and wounding hundreds of people while holding India's crack security forces at bay.
Featuring footage of the attacks and interviews with senior police officers and hostages, including the testimony from Kasab - the sole surviving gunman, Dispatches reveals what happened, hour by hour, from the perspective of the security forces, the terrorists, their masterminds and the victims.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 01 Jul 2009 18:52

Why the Pakistan Army is struggling against the Taliban
B Raman
http://news.rediff.com/column/2009/jul/ ... aliban.htm
July 01, 2009

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 Jul 2009 18:57

Our problems are your problems
Then, they are no longer our problems.
Get it?

Pakistan’s economic problems need world notice, says Zardari

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari on Tuesday said the international community needs to acknowledge the economic problems of Pakistan created by the war against militancy and should step forward to address them.

The president said that Pakistan had to....revive the closed industrial units, .....strengthen its civilian law-enforcing agencies .....to help combat the militancy.

He said it was a tall order which Pakistan alone could not execute and it needed international support.He said the revival of the closed industrial units also needed new power plants and hydroelectric projects.

He said the country also needed access to international markets for its products so as to generate jobs in the country.

While at it, duspercenti also suggested that all pooki women should be give free face lifts and free cosmetics to improve the flagging morale of the mards.....

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Jul 2009 19:22

UN opens inquiry into assassination of Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan
Now showing: The dog and pony show.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Jul 2009 19:26

Another five militants killed in Dir, Swat: ISPR

ISLAMABAD: Five militants were killed and three arrested from Swat and Dir in the last 24 hours as operations continue in the NWFP, the armed forces’ Inter-Services Public Relations reported in a statement.

One soldier was also killed and twelve soldiers, including an officer injured in operations. Additionally, in Dir a number of suspected militants were killed and injured by the local Lashkar in the area, as they cleared Shatkas village. Twenty-two members of the Lashkar were injured in the operation.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jul 2009 19:31

RajeshA wrote:Couples counseling for India and Pakistan by Deepak Chopra: San Francisco Chronicle

Well before anyone criticizes what Deepak Chopra says - I just want to ask: If your car breaks down, whom would you call?

1) Plumber
2) Doctor
3) Prostitute
4) None of the above

If your answer is 4, don't bother reading the article. What else would you expect if you polled a person for help outside his speciality? OTOH Deepak Chopra's speciality may be bullshitting - in which case the article is par for the course.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Jul 2009 19:42

Deepak is a spent and lost force who at best mutters.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jul 2009 19:46

shiv ji,

come on saar ji! An Indian (well most of us, at least) doesn't need to have a PhD to know that Pakistan has done zilch to punish those responsible for the Mumbai attacks. Forget Indian saar ji, even a Pakistani would have trouble coming up with something that Pakistan may have done in this regard, and we know that Pakistanis are the best in the business of inventing lies.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jul 2009 19:55

RajeshA wrote:shiv ji,

come on saar ji! An Indian (well most of us, at least) doesn't need to have a PhD to know that Pakistan has done zilch to punish those responsible for the Mumbai attacks. Forget Indian saar ji, even a Pakistani would have trouble coming up with something that Pakistan may have done in this regard, and we know that Pakistanis are the best in the business of inventing lies.

No offence meant. I was being sarcastic. He is, of course, talking utter crap. His "Indianness" extends only as far as he can make money by blending spirituality with medicine in capsules that a western audience is able to relate to. But when anyone asks him about Pakistan he is contemptuous of both Indian and Pakistani. He becomes a gora aadmi as he superciliously lectures the subcontineanderthals.

Maybe this should go in the Indian psyche thread because his attitude reminds me of an incident I witnessed recently.