INS Arihant (ATV) News and Discussion -2

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 06 Aug 2009 21:16

negi wrote:That escape pod pic is genuine is that Akula btw ? ; as for Arihant looks good pretty smooth and slick finish.

No its the sierra 1 it has single escape pod , the sierra 2 with a broader sail ( which looks as broader as Arihant sail ) has two escape pod in the sail.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 06 Aug 2009 21:20

The pic looks nice but man oh man massive cropping!!!

Looks hajaar better than the delta-3 rip off of the chicoms.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Aug 2009 23:24

The sail is just short of 5 meters in height, and about 2.2 m wide.
Can't say if there is an escape pod on the sail with all the masts and periscopes there, even if there is, there would be only a small one there. But there should be another bigger pod on the body somewhere else like the HDW U-209's.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 06 Aug 2009 23:49

Well the sail of such submarine are equipped with all the mast that it needs plus Escape Pod , yes they should have atleast one more escape pod most likely at their tail end , assuming the sail has one.

Indian Nuclear Submarine Aimed at China

The missiles are capable of hitting targets at a range of 700 km. Thus this is the unique submarine armed with tactical ballistic missiles.

Built in cooperation with Russia, this submarine is quite unusual. By its military characteristics the sub is close to Russian state-of-art nuclear submarines. Unlike Russian submarines it can carry 12 Indian Sagarika missiles.

Arihant really looks menacing. The new submarine is armed with torpedoes and ballistic missiles and is equipped with the 85 megawatt nuclear reactors.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 07 Aug 2009 00:07

Pakistan must counter India's growing power
By Tariq Osman Hyder, Special to Gulf News

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 07 Aug 2009 00:13

Newbie qn, Aren't there supposed to be all the masts and sensor booms from the sail??? Or are they internal or retractable???

But massive PSing on the pic - the front is completely blurred out, and even the sides of the hull curvature are blurred to prevent calculation of diameter i think. Another qn... is that a glass window on the fore of the sail or something else???

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Aug 2009 01:07

By its military characteristics the sub is close to Russian state-of-art nuclear submarines.

Ambiguous but I take it to mean that as expected this is not a leaky reactor on a leaky Han-type boat. I expect Arihant to be be technologically 2-3 generations ahead of Jin class, in keeping with the pattern of Russian techno-military cooperation with India/China (except Shenzou).

Nirmal · Post by **Nirmal** » 07 Aug 2009 01:30

Austin wrote:He prolly means another 3 more Arihant , the 13 may be typo

Plans are for 5 SSBN (Arihant type) and 8 SSN/SSGN type. This has been in the press and interviews recently.

Nirmal · Post by **Nirmal** » 07 Aug 2009 01:54

NRao wrote:
Sanjay M wrote:Will such future subs all be alike? Or is there any scope for further evolution/improvements to the platform?

For example, would we ever field a pumpjet design in the future, and if so, when?

Someone said there's some Borei in this one - in what respect?
The party line seems to indicate that the next two will be "larger"!!

There seem to be two more after that .............. how much more different than either the Arihant or the next two is up for grabs.

Pumpjet? Too far out fro 2009 I would say.

Borei. Well, the less said the better. Need to move on - unless for entertainment value. (IMHO of course.)

The first 3 subs (Hulls already fabricated and towed to vizag for assembly) will be near identical. The Fourth and Fifth will be " larger ". No Plans yet for Pumpjet propulsion at present but 4th. and 5th. might be with Pumpjet propulsion. A further 8 SSN/SSGN are planned to follow suite after the 5 SSBNs'.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Aug 2009 02:38

Austin wrote: Indian Nuclear Submarine Aimed at China

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Igorr · Post by **Igorr** » 07 Aug 2009 03:54

Did you see this photo of allegedly Arihant from livefist's blog:

sorry if repost

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 07 Aug 2009 06:02

John Snow wrote:you mean Ethan Allen furnished the Sub ?

I wonder if its beyond rajmata to let a lying Paki to decorate our sub!

His jihadi son was killed by our security forces in Kashmir, whereas he claims that he died in Afghanistan

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 07 Aug 2009 06:21

How did we miss this gem?

A leaky Soviet era tub called Arihant

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Aug 2009 06:32

Gerard wrote:How did we miss this gem?

A leaky Soviet era tub called Arihant

Absolute waste of time. It has pictures of other subs but title "arihant". Very, very badly researched article. Not even worth reading.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 07 Aug 2009 06:38

Gerard wrote:How did we miss this gem?

A leaky Soviet era tub called Arihant

wow. Bharti, seriously. This reads like an article from north korea times.

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 07 Aug 2009 07:12

That article makes me realize there are still deranged people on earth and if that is what the average Pakistani believes, then that's ground 0 for bat ---- crazy. Wow is all I can say.

abhiti · Post by **abhiti** » 07 Aug 2009 07:13

dnivas wrote:wow. Bharti, seriously. This reads like an article from north korea times.

What I found funny was that author claims he is a former ambassador of land of pure.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Aug 2009 07:28

abhiti wrote:
dnivas wrote:wow. Bharti, seriously. This reads like an article from north korea times.
What I found funny was that author claims he is a former ambassador of land of pure.

actually the diplomat's reasonably balanced (for a paki) article is produced verbatim at the end of that post. he is not the author of this article.
it is a blog called 5th column posted on dawn website.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Aug 2009 07:57

dnivas wrote:
Gerard wrote:How did we miss this gem?

A leaky Soviet era tub called Arihant
wow. Bharti, seriously. This reads like an article from north korea times.

Folks - a discussion of this article will only reduce the quality of this forum. The right place is in the Paki thread - I will probably post some comments in that thread. The article reads like a desperate caterwaul in which the author alternately reassures himself that all is well while slipping into episodes of panic and worry.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Aug 2009 08:02

Pakistanis do not seem to understand that Arihant is not relevant to them-they are never going to be in the same league-this is how big boys play.

How to break it to them gently?

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 07 Aug 2009 09:14

"thedawn" is different from "Dawn Newspaper"

it looks like "thedawn" articles that sprang up here and the kargil thread is the same site run by the jokers who earlier ran a site rupeenews - remember some article on 500 MiGs crashing and all that? not worth the click IMO

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 07 Aug 2009 09:22

Oh my god. Please don't even bother to put it any thread, Shiv.
OMG ... Bharti..... who the hell is this guy ?
Secondly Bhutan is Bhuttal .... what he forgot to put the spell checker on and does not know the name of any other country in the region.
and in regards to his info on our submarine programs this guy seems to know info as if he was on a one to one basis with all our prime ministers.

No flow, nothing. Random sentences vomited out due to Diarrohea.
God bless these idiots and speed up their stay on this planet.

All I read is DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL ... he could have almost typed up the article saying
there is no submarine
there is no india
it would have made for a better read.

Pure BS us usual !!

skaranam · Post by **skaranam** » 07 Aug 2009 11:19

sanjaykumar wrote:Pakistanis do not seem to understand that Arihant is not relevant to them-they are never going to be in the same league-this is how big boys play.

How to break it to them gently?

I think "some" Pakis have realized we have moved beyond them. This leaves them empty and thus are confused and is hitting their very foundation & raison d'être. They are trying their level best to convince themselves they are still valid in this world. They are using Arihant by portraying it as Paki-Centric.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 07 Aug 2009 11:21

Pakis can only compete with afghanistan now. Even iran is better off than them. Though India needs to break up pakistan soon.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 07 Aug 2009 12:53

http://www.carmanvalleyleader.com/Artic ... ?e=1688920

Nuclear balance in Asia shifts

Even without the Arihant, the Indian Navy is one of the most powerful in the region. Added to that India’s army and air force are among the largest in the world.

With a growing economy and a population over 1 billion people, India - as shown with the Arihant - is a power to contend with.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Aug 2009 13:30

The ranting and raving from the Pakis is quite expected.Their "grapes-are-sour" attitude ,shown by their pathetic anaylsis of the sub's arrival only indicates the shallowness of their mentality and failure to objectively analyse the event.We too have some worthies who are also a bit "J" that they weren't given sneak previews too.One worthy,name unmentionable ,has written in his mag that the "sub cannot even dive 200ft." condemning it as an obsolete Charlie class (how he reached that conclusion before the sub has even undergine its sea trials and when it is patently obvious that he is ignorant to a greater degree of all matters concerning its design,Russian sub designs and their performance, beats me).Even the Russian ambassador said that it was "Akula"! Now the whole world knows well that the Charlie class has been long decommmissioned and that even when the IN acquired the Chakra,it was second hand.The technology for a Charlie is obsolete and the equipment for such a class no longer exists in Russia today even if wanted to acquire it!

From published reports,the earlier '80s plan to design and build a sub based upon "Charlie" experience,came to nought because of the inability of BARC to design a reactor to fit into such a sub.The programme languished for some time until it was taken up again with Russian help and a new reactor design/tech provided which is in service with a wide variety of Russian N-subs.As can be clearly seen even from the censored pics at the launch,the sub does not have missile launchers between the double hulls on the beams forward of the fin as in a Charlie.Instead,they're in 4 large silos abaft the fin,each carrying three smaller K-15 missiles awaiting a larger 3500+KM ICBM.This design detail is a new feature,probably from a new Russian SSBN class and also resembles new US designs .Remember,that the new Russian SSBNs and SSGNs being built were designed over a decade ago,and their delayed appearance is only due to lack of funding,which is now being repaired by Putin and Medvedev.The equipment inside is logically Akula tech. eqpt. as we are to lease an Akula-2+ shortly,with more hinted to follow.Since we also operate 10 Kilos,being upgraded,it would be ridiculous to acquire or build anything less even of that vintage.Plus,if "300" IN submariners are being trained in Russia to operate Akula N-sub class tech.,with these same crews going to serve on board our ATV class with 3 being built at the moment,the Arihant is of technology far more modern than its detractors try and make it out to be.In addition this sub is going to be the basis for more SSGNs too,with a larger more powerful reactor/s requiring advanced reactors,sensors,weaponry,communications and quieting tech.It is inconceivable that the IN or the GOI would spend crores on such a "rust bucket" as the jealous "enemies of the state" proclaim.As for our enemies,they will learn a lesson from the Arihant and its class at a later date if they choose to act with reckless abandon.

SKrishna · Post by **SKrishna** » 07 Aug 2009 13:48

^^^ Very true Philip saar..

abhiti · Post by **abhiti** » 07 Aug 2009 14:17

Philip wrote:From published reports,the earlier '80s plan to design and build a sub based upon "Charlie" experience,came to nought because of the inability of BARC to design a reactor to fit into such a sub.The programme languished for some time until it was taken up again with Russian help and a new reactor design/tech provided which is in service with a wide variety of Russian N-subs.

It is quite a stretch to claim that reactor inside Arihant is same as in other Russian N-subs. But then you like mother Russia so much may be it is ok for you to forget.

Igorr · Post by **Igorr** » 07 Aug 2009 14:43

Some Delta-IV class visible resemblance if believe to the pic in 'India Today'.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Aug 2009 14:48

Gerard wrote:Exclusive INS Arihant photo
This is the first picture of India’s indigenously built nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine the INS Arihant. The submarine was launched at the Naval Dockyard Visakhapatnam on July 26.

Am i the only one who thinks this pic is PSed?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Aug 2009 16:07

abhiti wrote:It is quite a stretch to claim that reactor inside Arihant is same as in other Russian N-subs. But then you like mother Russia so much may be it is ok for you to forget.

It might not be the same , but it will not be too different either in terms of MW(t) , the rest is just a happy coincidence.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 07 Aug 2009 16:24

krishnan wrote:
Gerard wrote:Exclusive INS Arihant photo
Am i the only one who thinks this pic is PSed?

More like scanned from a page, borders marked and copied onto a blue background and saved.
The crumples on the image is a clue I think.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Aug 2009 16:51

What about the men standing on it?

Igorr · Post by **Igorr** » 07 Aug 2009 16:56

krishnan wrote:What about the men standing on it?

sailor and engineer prob. put my two pences about this picture in the blog too .

abhiti · Post by **abhiti** » 07 Aug 2009 16:59

Austin wrote:It might not be the same , but it will not be too different either in terms of MW(t) , the rest is just a happy coincidence.

It will take more than conjectures and rumors to disprove AEC version.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 07 Aug 2009 17:19

Philip wrote:The ranting and raving from the Pakis is quite expected.

There are also Chinese posters who comfort themselves with the India that India produced a 1970s sub in 2009. The reality that this is no Charlie will eventually sink in and cause much anguish. When the Agni3SL is tested, they'll be frothing at the mouth. The NPAs, silent for now, will also join them I suspect.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Aug 2009 17:45

abhiti wrote:It will take more than conjectures and rumors to disprove AEC version.

Can any one ever disprove AEC version ? They tell you , you have to believe it. As they say a little faith

BTW igorr what has the Arihant has any thing to do with Delta 4 except perhaps the look alike sail ?

The Arihant has more streamlined hump and is a singe screw , single reactor smaller sub , compared to the much larger Turtle back Hump , double screw , double reactor Delta 4 ?

You even came to the conclusion that the acoustic emmision is close to delta 4.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 07 Aug 2009 17:49

I am not sure about similarity with Delta-4. The sails look different and the Delta-4 sail looks taller. Also those who saw the sub confirmed that it did not have a box shaped hump on the back.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Aug 2009 17:54

Austin wrote:
abhiti wrote:It will take more than conjectures and rumors to disprove AEC version.
Can any one ever disprove AEC version ? They tell you , you have to believe it. As they say a little faith .

I for one cant understand whats the conflict between what AEC is saying some here are saying (Austin for example), both can be true.

Igorr · Post by **Igorr** » 07 Aug 2009 18:04

Austin wrote:BTW igorr what has the Arihant has any thing to do with Delta 4 except perhaps the look alike sail ?

The Arihant has more streamlined hump and is a singe screw , single reactor smaller sub , compared to the much larger Turtle back Hump , double screw , double reactor Delta 4 ?

You even came to the conclusion that the acoustic emmision is close to delta 4.

If dont we know about Russian input, we could see the resemblance in sail design and around the sail hull form as a coincidence, but since the Russian involvement in Arihant design is a fact, confirmed directly or by implication, the question is only what proved design of existant Russian SSBN (or SSN) was took as a base for Arihant development. The pictures says it could be only Delta class. ie not Charlie, Borey, Akula etc.