Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 11:54

Does anyone have a link to de-classified French documents on their Karachi attack ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 12:02

Trade of fire between would-be suicide bomber & police at Islamabad
I think Pakistan is heading towards the 2007 scenario of suicide bombings.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 22 Oct 2009 12:03

Firing in Islamabad court
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=89706

ISLAMABAD: Exchange of fire took place between a suicide bomber and police in sector F-8 court in Islamabad.

An eyewitness told Geo News that a suicide bomber wearing chaddar reached court whose suicide jacket has been recognized. Police opened fire on him but the attacker has managed to flee from the scene. Police started search operation after the incident.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 22 Oct 2009 12:13

UPDATE 1-Gunfire in Pakistan capital "false alarm" - police

ISLAMABAD, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Reports of shots fired at a court in Pakistan's capital were a false alarm, police said, but tensions remained high following a spate of bomb blasts and attacks by Taliban militants.

"There were rumours that a bomb was planted in the excise department," said Bin Yameen, a senior police official.

"Out of panic, shopkeepers pulled down their shutters and people mistook it as firing."

The false alarm came as the country was on high alert for possible retaliatory strikes by militants while the army attacks their strongholds in South Waziristan on the Afghan border.

The KSE-index plunged 2.24 percent to 9,041.04 by 12:16 p.m. (0616 GMT) on reports of the court firing.

"Investors are very jittery at this point due to the law and order situation," said Sajid Bhanji, a dealer at brokers' Arif Habib Ltd.

Gunmen shot and killed a Pakistani army brigadier and his driver in the capital on Thursday as the military continued the offensive.

(Reporting by Zeeshan Haider; Writing by Robert Birsel; Editing by David Fox)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 12:17

A state of war - Edit in The News

The bombers are adapting to the need of the hour and becoming ever more sophisticated in the way they go about their business. Many are now clean-shaven and fair-skinned. . .

anandsgh · Post by **anandsgh** » 22 Oct 2009 13:38

Moi have a small pooch from BRF vidwaans....

Every even and then, where ever there is a mention of the term 'Pakis', our pious neighbors jump straight on to criticize everybody between heaven and hell, but now when they are freely using the terms 'uzbeks' and 'tajiks' as the 'gair mulki dehashgards' don't the governments of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan have a moral upper ground to criticize this gesture of Pakis and ask for an explanation

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 13:49

The assassinated Brigadier was head of UN Peace keeping Mission in the Sudan - DAWN

Head of the United Nations peace-keeping mission in Sudan and former deputy director general military operations Brigadier Moinuddin Ahmed was assassinated, along with another army official in a shootout in Islamabad on Thursday.

Brigadier Moin was visiting Pakistan and was expected to return to Sudan at the UN mission tomorrow.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Oct 2009 14:12

SSridhar wrote:The assassinated Brigadier was head of UN Peace keeping Mission in the Sudan - DAWN
Head of the United Nations peace-keeping mission in Sudan and former deputy director general military operations Brigadier Moinuddin Ahmed was assassinated, along with another army official in a shootout in Islamabad on Thursday.

Brigadier Moin was visiting Pakistan and was expected to return to Sudan at the UN mission tomorrow.

Only in Pakistan can a brigadier die from a false alarm

Imagine if it had bee a real attack?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 22 Oct 2009 14:19

US gives $150,000 bomb disposal equipment to NWFP

PESHAWAR: As part of its continuing collaboration with Pakistani authorities to protect people in Pakistan from terrorist bombings, the United States government on Wednesday provided $150,000 in bomb disposal equipment to the NWFP police.
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More training and equipment will be delivered to the police in the coming year. Since 2003, the US has donated approximately $10 million in training and equipment to the NWFP police.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 14:44

pgbhat wrote:Pakistan’s Second Front ---- Ayesha Siddiqa.

From the above,

However, as journalist Arif Jamal reported extenstively in his book Shadow War, the provincial government knows that the jihadis in Punjab, who do not necessarily force the general population to a more fundamentalist version of religious ideology, are nonetheless busy creating and exporting jihad to other parts of the region, especially Afghanistan. Why the denial, then? The regional government in Punjab fears that admitting to jihadi presence could result in military action from Islamabad, or even the U.S.

While Ayesha Siddiqa has written the above article well, she slipped in the highlighted portion. Military action from Islamabad on the Punjabi Taliban ? Does she think that these Punjabi Taliban are the creation of the Punjab government and ISI, IB, FIA & MI are not aware of these groups ? They are indeed the creators and well-wishers of LeJ, JeM, HuJI, LeT that are entrenched in the Punjab areas. I am at a loss why Ayesha Siddiqa wrote that.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Oct 2009 14:48

Does she think that these Punjabi Taliban are the creation of the Punjab government and ISI, IB, FIA & MI are not aware of these groups ? They are indeed the creators and well-wishers of LeJ, JeM, HuJI, LeT that are entrenched in the Punjab areas. I am at a loss why Ayesha Siddiqa wrote that.

Good point. I would think she means unkil forcing izloo to appear to take action against the pakjabi jihadists and the said phoney war, put up solely for show even, could still endup charging sections of the clearly more islamic pakjabi militias to make war on the TSPA. Perhaps.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 15:13

Hari, the point here is nobody kids anybody by denying these terrorist tanzeems in Southern and Central Punjab. It is all in the open and has been so since the 1980s. We know JeM is Headquarterd in Bahawalpur, LeT in Muridke & Lahore, LeJ is in Jhang etc. Everybody, including their uncles and aunts are aware of what these tanzeems are upto, both in FATA/Afghanistan as well as India. Doesn't the Kerry-Lugar Bill specifically mention JeM and LeT ? And, Islamabad is not one to be fazed by demands by the US to take action against terrorists. It knows how to catch them and release them through the revolving door. A cursory glance at the Mumbai terror thread will show the various tactics employed. It is very adept at these practices. The PML-N are one of the patron-saints of these tanzeems and they cannot be unduly concerned since everybody is hand-in-glove with these jihadis.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 22 Oct 2009 16:20

SSridhar wrote:Today's Editorial in DT is instructive in understanding the basis for some of the discussions we have had here recently. It says
Those who have held exchanges of views with the Islamic University will remember that its students did not share the generally liberal outlook that characterises Pakistani society. {If Najam Sethi or whoever writes for him thinks that the rest of Pakistan holds liberal vworld views, woe be to India and the world} In this they are in tune with views held in most universities of Pakistan where religious parties have almost a permanent influence. {That was a legacy of Gen. Zia who banned all student organizations except the IJT, the militant student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami} In Pakistan’s education system, the madrassas and the universities are close in their worldview.

SSridhar, thanks for posting this link. It it is nice to see confirmation of my 'default' option turning out to be true. These are not innocent TSPians but training to be Wahabi religious fanatics that will turn out to be misfits in any civilised society, perhaps not in TSP. If even by the 'liberal'

standars of fanatic barbarianism in TSP they are considered non-liberal, one need not say anything further.

Let us be 400% clear - if anyone gets killed in TSP, the default assumption is that he is a fanatic barbarian terrorist, until there is clear and concrete evidence to the contrary

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Oct 2009 16:27

Let us be 400% clear - if anyone gets killed in TSP, the default assumption is that he is a fanatic barbarian terrorist, until there is clear and concrete evidence to the contrary

Make this a sticky...seriously.....

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 16:54

Suppiah wrote:These are not innocent TSPians but training to be Wahabi religious fanatics that will turn out to be misfits in any civilised society, perhaps not in TSP.

Suppiah, absolutely. That's why I said in my post yesterday the following:

The Islamic University naturally cannot be expected to propagate friendliness to India when normal schools themselves preach hatred and propagate virtues of jihad. It is these people who have brought Pakistan and the region and indeed the world to what it is today. Those Indians who have died in their thousands at the hands of terrorists from Pakistan, have died because of the India-hatred of these Islamists.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 22 Oct 2009 17:31

SSridhar wrote: Does she think that these Punjabi Taliban are the creation of the Punjab government and ISI, IB, FIA & MI are not aware of these groups ? They are indeed the creators and well-wishers of LeJ, JeM, HuJI, LeT that are entrenched in the Punjab areas. I am at a loss why Ayesha Siddiqa wrote that.

She meant military action against PakPunjab govt

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2009 17:53

SSridhar wrote:The assassinated Brigadier was head of UN Peace keeping Mission in the Sudan - DAWN
Head of the United Nations peace-keeping mission in Sudan and former deputy director general military operations Brigadier Moinuddin Ahmed was assassinated, along with another army official in a shootout in Islamabad on Thursday.

Brigadier Moin was visiting Pakistan and was expected to return to Sudan at the UN mission tomorrow.

But why was the Brigadier was taken out? Looks like some Somalese in the "gair mulki dehshatgard" group got a supari from their brethren back in somalia to do the job. Somalia is the second home of the AQAM after Af-Pak which is now ground zero.

Notice how AQ tries to protect its turf both somalia and Af-Pak.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2009 18:30

either it was a random attack on an afsar (unlikely) or a hit on someone specific. i dont think sudan has much to do with it...

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 22 Oct 2009 18:46

Lalmohan wrote:either it was a random attack on an afsar (unlikely) or a hit on someone specific. i dont think sudan has much to do with it...

Dawn claims he was part of planning Waziristan ops.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Oct 2009 18:53

In the “Land of the Pure”, the pure are perforce becoming yet purer.

Jehanzeb Baig, a cinema owner and chairman of the Film Exhibitors Association:

Terror spate takes its toll on culture and entertainment

Web posted at: 10/22/2009 8:42:31 ……………..

“The (entertainment) business has sunk pretty low after the recent terrorism wave as there is 80 percent decline in the film audience. People are reluctant to visit public places and entertainment spots,” ……………….

The Peninsula, Qatar

I fail to understand the grounds for Mr. Baig’s lament as surely preventing Pakistani’s from indulging in Haraam activities is compliant with Pakistan’s aspirations of being an “IEDological Muslim State”.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Oct 2009 19:01

X Posted.

MP: Pakistan spy agencies support terrorists

Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:10:36 GMT

An Iranian lawmaker says there are reports that Pakistan's intelligence agencies have supported the terrorists that carried out a recent terror attack in southeastern Iran.

Ali Aqazadeh, who was a member of a parliamentary delegation visiting Sistan-Balouchestan Province following the Sunday attack in Pishin, stated that officials in the province believe that bandits and terrorists in the province are supported by "Pakistan's intelligence services," Mehr news agency reported on Wednesday. ............................

"According to the Sistan-Balouchestan officials, terrorists are backed by Pakistan's intelligence services and some non-regional powers also support them," Mehr news agency quoted Aqazadeh as saying on Wednesday. ............................

Press TV, Iran

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 22 Oct 2009 19:34

Lalmohan wrote:either it was a random attack on an afsar (unlikely) or a hit on someone specific. i dont think sudan has much to do with it...

its too random and I think someone has used the chaos to settle a personal score. The guy was back from Sudan for short time and was suppose to go back. Someone just used his presence and general disorder around to bump him off.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 22 Oct 2009 19:44

Former Deputy DGMO means this guy had direct contact with jihadi groups. His photo below suggests that he himself may be a jihadi type.

What's the lesson from Hannibal Lecter in "The silence of the lambs"? - "You kill what you see..."

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 22 Oct 2009 19:57

Lalmohan wrote:either it was a random attack on an afsar (unlikely) or a hit on someone specific. i dont think sudan has much to do with it...

It is interesting to note that the reporter chose to term it "assasination". Report from the land of 400%-better-English-than-India can't be wrong in the choice of words at least.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 22 Oct 2009 19:57

I do not think it is random. Even at their barbaric best, they have some 'sense' in a loose sense of that term. I think they (by which I mean either TTP or perhaps the hardcore amongst military/ISI/mullacracy ) are bumping off the not-so-hardcore types who pose a real danger in collaboration with Unkil and stray trace samples of the 'innocent' elements in the military / Zardari regime.

So we get to know who the soft-core is but only when they get bumped off...not a nice situation for TSP....I am not sure if it is possible at all to get some of them to 'defect' a la cold war times so they can spill beans when they are alive. To do so would require us to put up a front of believing in TSP some day reforming itself, which is not that sure a bet.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 22 Oct 2009 20:01

Fierce fighting in Pakistan offensive, toll tops 150

ISLAMABAD — Pakistani troops and Taliban militants have been locked in intense clashes on the sixth day of a major military assault in the tribal belt which has killed more than 150 people, the army said Thursday.

Twenty-four Taliban militants had been killed since the last death toll, a statement said, bringing the overall number to 137.

In addition, two soldiers have been killed in the offensive around South Waziristan, where authorities say scores of Al-Qaeda and Taliban-linked attacks have been masterminded, bringing the overall number of dead soldiers to 18.

Death tolls are impossible to confirm independently with the area closed and all communication lines down.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 20:02

Rangudu wrote: His photo below suggests that he himself may be a jihadi type.

He is like Javed Nasir.

Flowing beard and apparent piety are not enough to protect one from marauding and more pious Believers.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 22 Oct 2009 20:13

Where will the Taliban stop in Pakistan? ---- Video.
Ayesha Siddiqa talks about French Naval Engg killings.
Best part is the girl with burqa.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Oct 2009 20:28

(US) Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism

Unless the world community acts decisively and with great urgency, it is more likely than not that a weapon of mass destruction will be used in a terrorist attack somewhere in the world by the end of 2013.

Jai ho.

An interim report:

THE CLOCK IS TICKING :: A Progress Report on America’s Preparedness

October 19, 2009:

Pakistan remains the geographic crossroads for terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

What is true in the past, present and the future is the REAL TRUTH. Pakistan, as a terrorist state, fits this statement.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Oct 2009 20:48

Pakistan remains the geographic crossroads for terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

If TSP's western sponsors really believe this, then their actions are yet to reflect the same, IMO.

Unless unkil gives p entirely on TSP, Papistan will 'survive' as a pain-da-butt in our ointment. So far, little hint unkil will pullout. Perhaps a few more yrs of $1.5+trillion deficits and bond auctions might force the khan's hand, who knows, eh?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2009 20:50

Maybe Brigadier Sahib was sent to Sudan / Somalia to cool the heat off him in the first place. Was he involved in any ops before his african posting? Looks like there was a supari on him then and was executed the moment he landed back.

The problem for Pak Fauj afsars here is, that they trained all of these guys, so that these groups know the pak fauj intimately - first names basis. Now when the pak fauj plays favourites with a few groups, the ones left out and at the receiving end of the stick, don't like it, and these hits get carried out.

The bottom line is, that just as the ISI and the Pak Fauj know there terrorist groups intimately, the opposite also applies. These terrorist groups know the Pak fauji afsars and Senior JCO's intimately. Bad bad news for the pak fauj

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Oct 2009 20:56

Maybe Brigadier Sahib was sent to Sudan / Somalia to cool the heat off him in the first place. Was he involved in any ops before his african posting? Looks like there was a supari on him then and was executed the moment he landed back.

OK, my daydream says yes to the bolded part. The turd was involved in 26/11. And it is not the boor TTP but the yeevil raaaw special wing (black ops) hunting down the 26/11 perps one by one, instigating general mayhem around to distract attn wonlee.....

/Yeah, I know. Long shot. But hey, a guy can dream of things other than jessica alba, no?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2009 21:03

this kind of sordid affair acts as a demotivating factor for mid rung officers. the chances of making out like bandits is restricted to a elite circle of perhaps 200 top brass. the rest have to run the risk of dealing with these jihadis, facing any blowback or deployment in GOAT ops - a thankless task.

I dare say people seeking premature retirement to join their kids in UK/canda/australia will be more now.

Umrao Das · Post by **Umrao Das** » 22 Oct 2009 21:11

What no US KL will pass bill

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Oct 2009 21:18

Hari, In frustration please do not score self -goals. Crediting kachha folks for this would be what the Pakis would do anyway.

Meanwhile great news from DC from Dung.

US Congress set to impose new restrictions

Meanwhile, US Congressman Jim Moran has urged the United States to guarantee that India does not attack Pakistan in any case and at the same time make it clear to New Delhi that any aggression would be dealt with by the United States.

Talking to the participants of “Day on the Capitol Hill” organised by the Pakistani-American Public Affairs Committee (PAKPAC) here on Tuesday, Jim Moran said it was not possible for the United States to provide funds to Pakistan to defend its borders with India. He said perhaps the US guarantees would ensure that the funds being provided to Pakistan were going to the purpose that was mutually beneficial to both the United States and Pakistan.

I think there is a vowel misused in the Congressman's name.

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 22 Oct 2009 21:19

SSridhar wrote:
Rangudu wrote: His photo below suggests that he himself may be a jihadi type.
He is like Javed Nasir.

Flowing beard and apparent piety are not enough to protect one from marauding and more pious Believers.

Saar thats no his photo. Note the holes in the windshield of the Jeep. He is already dead by the time photo was taken. The guy is some policeman.

archan · Post by **archan** » 22 Oct 2009 21:25

But still it is funny to note that now Pakistan has to explicit ask its "Uncle" to save him from big brother India. What happened to 1 Pakistani = 10 Hindus and their superior martial race?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 21:30

NRao wrote:(US) Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism

Frankly, that report does not give me the confidence that the Commission that prepared it understands the depth of the problem. It states on Page 14,

Fear of continued turmoil in Pakistan reinforces the Commission’s concerns that the country could be an unwitting source of a terrorist attack on the United States—possibly with weapons of mass destruction.

It still doesn't believe therefore that the State of Pakistan itself is capable of a terrorist attack on the US with a WMD. They have not learnt anything from the double-dealing of Musharraf or the Pakistani Army or the ISI. It was Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed who transferred USD 100,000 to Atta for WTC attack. It was the same General who was sent to ask the Taliban to surrender but who actually egged them on to fight. He was a close confidante of Gen. Musharraf and helped him seize power. the US must know the proximity of LeT, HuJI, LeJ and JeM to the PA. The PA has not changed a wee bit. Pakistan never proscribed JuD even after the UN labelled it as a terrorist organization. Pakistan never banned those jihadi charity organizations which UN banned in 2002 itself, until they were forced to do so in 2007. Instances are plenty. Pakistan will not be an unwitting source. It will be a witting, willing state. And, the US takes the blame for that. They thought in the 1980s that allowing Pakistan to develop nukes would tie down India without any blow back for them, sitting as they were tens of thousands of Kilometres away.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2009 21:32

CalvinH wrote:Saar thats no his photo. Note the holes in the windshield of the Jeep. He is already dead by the time photo was taken. The guy is some policeman.

Oh. . . I know. I was simply referring to the luxurious white beard.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 22 Oct 2009 21:33

vera_k wrote:
Philip wrote:If you want the Paki picture on how Zia changed Pak from a "Muslim state" into an "Islamic state",read my earlier post and link to the article by the veteran paki scribe.It is a very important distinction.
I think the veteran paki scribe is fooling himself. After all, Jinnah was the original terrorist and the 1956 Constitution named the country as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Zia himself was the product of the Islamisation that started many decades earlier.

you have put your finger on why we cannot expect Pakistan to change. The most liberal Pakistani candle-kissers still swear by Jinnah as the ultimate ideal. If only Zia hadn't shown up on the scene, Pakistan would have been a liberal paradise, according to them. We know that in reality, it was Jinnah that sowed the seeds of both fanaticism / supremacism as well as being America's rent-boy.