Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

[SSridhar]

Former US Ambassador to Pakistan & Bangladesh writes

Bangladesh and Pakistan: Flirting with Failure in South Asia
(HISTORY)
By William B. Milam
Hurst & Company, London
ISBN978-1-85065-921-1
276pp. Rs1,195 {The price is quite steep}

He is not hopeful about things getting better in Pakistan and, as he says in his book, ‘the depressing conclusion is that only some cataclysmic political event can evict the army from the driving seat.’

Milam’s book may well be the first by an American to draw that conclusion. Many Pakistanis have known this for a number of years now.

[Samay]

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[Samay]

The recently held South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) summit resolved the issue of differential visa norms for Pakistani students and faculty for the South Asian University (SAU) coming up here, said official sources.

A dream project of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the SAU was fast becoming a victim of the India-Pakistan visa norms which prescribe police reporting and city-specific visas for nationals from the other country, whereas those from other SAARC countries are subject to normal visa procedures.

wtf
MMS is turning out as a true pakistani
btw,
what is he dreaming really?

Mr Ex-finance minister ,we dont need paki foriegn exchange as of now,
budda sathiya gaya hai

Meanwhile the pappi-jhappi begins in rightful earnest.
Q: What does student mean in Urdu / Pashto?
A: Talibilm / Talibaan

rightly said
they will definitely spread pakiness here,what they do there
is this the objective of MMS and his army of neo-secoolars?

[Chandragupta]

I am beginning to feel that a JDAM explosion in Dilli or Bombay is nearer than most people think. I can see it coming. A few thousand dead, Burkha & Co. spitting venom at the Army, Police and Yindoo extremists for inciting hatred between innocent Bakistanis & Indian, yuppies lighting candles at India Gate & Gateway of India wanting long lasting peace in 'South Asia', holding up banners of 'No More Nukes', MMS & Gilani meeting at the ground zero, exchanging flowers & jars of Vaseline. MMS standing up to be the man of the hour, a well written emotional speech, "A new India shall emerge from these ruins..", hands over Kashmir to Pakistan, with Obama, Jintao, Brown, Sarkozy applauding in the background..Promises of a UNSC seat for India, DDM declares the arrival of India on the world stage..All this while Jai Ho is playing in the background..Jai Ho indeed!

[Samay]

I am beginning to feel that a JDAM explosion in Dilli or Bombay is nearer than most people think. I can see it coming. A few thousand dead, Burkha & Co. spitting venom at the Army, Police and Yindoo extremists for inciting hatred between innocent Bakistanis & Indian, yuppies lighting candles at India Gate & Gateway of India wanting long lasting peace in 'South Asia', holding up banners of 'No More Nukes', MMS & Gilani meeting at the ground zero, exchanging flowers & jars of Vaseline. MMS standing up to be the man of the hour, a well written emotional speech, "A new India shall emerge from these ruins..", hands over Kashmir to Pakistan, with Obama, Jintao, Brown, Sarkozy applauding in the background..Promises of a UNSC seat for India, DDM declares the arrival of India on the world stage..All this while Jai Ho is playing in the background..Jai Ho indeed!

Jai ho or not ,pakis spending few millions against our billions on CW games(to be organised in 2010 in front of world community and gettting a nice way to increase tourism) ,to create havoc and ruin the upstage show at delhi is much more probable to happen,hence the foriegn agencies are saying it is 'imminent'
also doing a much smaller effort to mar a huge effort of the enemy in this ongoing proxy-war, is a lure ,some jihadi isi members wont let go.

this becomes even more easier when there are people like MMS and gupta, who are very proud of what they are doing

[SSridhar]

Low intensity blasts rock Peeru’s Café in Lahore

More information here on why this blast.

Peeru’s Cafe is part of the Rafi Peer theatre group’s complex on Raiwind Road and the organisation’s weekly ’qawwali’ programme and a ghazal programme was underway at the time of the blasts.

Mr. Haq said the motive behind the blasts seemed to be to terrorise people attending such musical shows.

Former Supreme Court judge Rana Bhagwandas, who now heads the Federal Public Service Commission, was attending the musical performance with member of his family.

He escaped unhurt but media reports said two of his relatives sustained minor injuries.

Mr. Peerzada said: “Thanks god, Justice Bhagwandas remained safe. It was a terror attack but we will not be terrorised”.

[SSridhar]

Not the Voice of the Creator - Cowasjee

The most ominous words spoken that March day when the resolution {The Objectives Resolution} was passed by the constituent assembly were spoken by Hindu citizen of Pakistan, Sri Chattopadhyay, who represented 25 per cent of the then East Pakistan population.

“I do not consider myself as a member of the minority community. I consider myself as one of seven crores of Pakistanis. Let me retain that privilege.”

“I sadly remind myself of the great words of the Quaid-i-Azam that in state affairs the Hindu will cease to be a Hindu; the Muslim shall cease to be a Muslim. But alas, so soon after his demise what you do is that you virtually declare a state religion.”

“You could not get over the old world way of thinking. What I hear in this resolution is not the voice of the great creator of Pakistan — the Quaid-i-Azam, nor even that of the prime minister of Pakistan, the honourable Mr Liaquat Ali Khan but of the ulemas of the land.”

“This resolution in its present form epitomises that spirit of reaction. That spirit will not remain confined to the precincts of this house. It will send its waves to the countryside as well. I have been passing sleepless nights pondering what shall I now tell my people whom I have so long been advising to stick to the land of their birth.”

“And on the top of this all, by this resolution you condemn them to a perpetual state of inferiority. A thick curtain is drawn against all rays of hope, all prospects of an honourable life. After this what advice shall I tender? What heart can I have to persuade the people to maintain a stout heart?”

[SSridhar]

Deobandi ulema shy away from condemning suicide attacks

The Deobandi leadership in the country has for the moment refused to give a consensual nod of disapproval to suicide attacks and other acts of militancy — despite efforts by some members to reconcile the school to new realities.

Rising above their political and factional disputes, around 150 leaders representing different Deobandi groups, seminaries and political parties from Karachi to Bajaur converged on Lahore on April 15 for a rare meeting.

Over three days they shared space at the Jamia Ashrafia, one of the oldest and influential Deobandi institutions in the city.

Many participants are known to have links with Pakistan’s visible and invisible establishment. They included moderates such as Mufti Rafi Usmani and hardliners such as Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi of the banned Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan.

Big names in politicis — Maulana Fazalur Rehman, Hafiz Hussain Ahmed and Maulana Samiul Haq, whose Darul Aloom Haqania in Akora Khattak in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa is credited to have given birth to Afghanistan’s Taliban movement, were also there along with heavyweights such as Maulana Saleem Ullah Khan and Hanif Jallundhry, who manage the Deobandi seminaries and education system in the country.

The objective of this rare Deobandi gathering, according to some participants, was to deliberate on terrorism, debate its causes, discuss impact on the economy and politics and suggest solutions and work together to stem the menace.


More parochially, the organisers of the meeting were worried that growing militancy in the tribal backwaters of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and increasing incidence of terrorism in the cities in the rest of the country are exclusively being seen as a Deobandi phenomenon and has the potential to discredit the movement among the masses suffering because of it.

Qari Hanif conceded that militancy and terrorism could harm the Deobandi movement. “If terrorism can impact upon the economy and add to the troubles of common citizens of this country, how can we escape its effects,” he wondered.

Others say the meeting was organised at the behest of the government (read establishment), which is desperately looking for wider support from Deobandi pockets against militants fighting the army in the tribal areas. “The most important objective of those who arranged the assembly was to somehow convince the participants to issue a fatwa or religious edict censuring militants involved in terrorism and fighting the army and urging them to renounce violence at the behest of the government,” a participant from Balochistan told Dawn by telephone.

He said “a part of our leadership is under pressure (from the establishment?) to help evolve a wider consensus among all the Deobandi groups and organisations against the militants’ attacks on our soldiers and military installations as well as terrorist raids within the country”. If that was what the meeting aimed to gain, it was only partially achieved.

Maulana Ludhianvi and Hafiz Hussain Ahmed are said to have “turned the tables” on the organisers and forced them to restrict themselves to issuing a joint communiqué that was soft on militants and harsh on government and, obviously, the United States.

The same source said a majority of the participants agreed that militancy and terrorism would continue to haunt this nation as long as the factors and causes responsible for forcing people to take up were not removed. This was exactly what the joint communiqué says. It blames the government’s policy of ‘toeing the American line’ on Afghanistan for growing terrorism. “..militancy and terrorism continue to haunt this country in spite of wide denunciation of such acts (suicide bombings and subversive activities) by all patriotic people as well as use of organised military force. The situation calls for a dispassionate analysis of the fundamental causes (of this situation). In our view it is the consequence of the foreign policy that Pervez Musharraf pursued (in the aftermath of 9/11) and the incumbent government continues to follow. We demand that the government separates itself from the war in Afghanistan and stops pursuing pro-American foreign policies and providing logistics support to foreign forces (for military operations in Afghanistan,” the communiqué says.

Speaking to Dawn about the objectives and outcome of the meeting, Maulana Samiul Haq said: “We must avoid saying and doing anything that helps the evil forces (America in this case). And terrorism is helping the Americans.”

He made a distinction between what is going on in Afghanistan and in Pakistan’s tribal regions. “What is going in Afghanistan is essentially jihad. They (Afghan Taleban) are fighting for the freedom of their country from foreign occupation. Some of our people (Pakistani Taleban) also want to go there and help their brethrens in their war for freedom.” He pointed out that certain elements who have entered the ranks of Pakistani Taleban and are killing innocent civilians and soldiers, are responsible for obliterating the distinction between jihad and terrorism. “The present situation is quite worrisome for us because it can build up pressures against our seminaries. But, the Maulana said, it is wrong to expect that the use of force can stop the militants from carrying out their operations or stem terrorism from the country. “The only lasting solution to the issue lies in talks. {I like this. The Sandwich Maulana has neatly turned the tables on the Pakistani government and used the exact same words it uses against India vis-a-vis J&K} If the government is willing to talk (to the militants) on some solid, concrete points, we are ready to act as a bridge and mediate between the two parties. But before proceeding in that direction the government has to distance itself from the American policy objectives. You cannot stop suicide attacks and terrorism as long as you are seen to be standing side by side with the United States,” he contended.

Another JUI leader said it is important for Pakistan to bring the militants to the negotiation table. “The Americans are talking to Taleban, the Afghan regime is talking to Taleban. Why can’t our rulers?” He was perturbed that Washington “ignored” Islamabad as it began peace talks with the Afghan Taleban in spite of the fact that we are the ones providing it logistics support and cheap oil for its operations there. The communique too urged the government to “realise that the lasting solutions to internal insurgencies lay in peace talks. It, therefore, should review its foreign policy in the light of recommendations of the in-camera session of the parliament and effect necessary shift in its policies.” A participant conceded that the moderate Deobandi leadership is worried about its loss of influence and control over younger graduates from the seminaries. “This loss of influence on younger generations is pushing them towards militancy. The communique particularly addressed the younger students of Deobandi seminaries and advised them to follow the opinion and views of ulema to stay on the right path.”

The Deoandi ulema are now caught between a rock and a hard place. They are clearly conceding that they are no longer in control of the monster they created. We know that for quite sometime now, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman is under threat. The JI was suicide-bombed a few days back and the JI didn't even have the guts to admit they were the targets. It blamed the Government instead. That is what happens when the more pure attack the less pure. Cognitive dissonance takes over the less pure and they start denying the truth.

[sum]

A dream project of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the SAU was fast becoming a victim of the India-Pakistan visa norms which prescribe police reporting and city-specific visas for nationals from the other country, whereas those from other SAARC countries are subject to normal visa procedures.

India has now conveyed that students and faculty from Pakistan headed for SAU will get visas on the same terms as their compatriots from other countries, in other words, there would be no police reporting requirements nor would they be restricted to specific cities with a maximum of three cities.

Gagan-ji, you beat me to posting this news article.

The more things are coming out about the pro-Paki concessions being made by MMS, the more scarier and gloomier it is getting.

Its so scary that its just 1 year up and 4 years to go!!! I am certain that very soon, Indo-Paki cricket will start and Paki junta will be given Indian visas with MMS making a personal request too not screen any of the visiting "brothers" leading to further mayhem.

The future outlook is looking bleaker with such news filtering out.

[A_Gupta]

^^^^
Maulana Samiul Haq mentioned in the above is famous as "Sandwich Sammy".

[sum]

Interesting analysis in orbat:

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Prominent Taliban supporter killed - by the Taliban The man in question is a former Pakistan Air Force officer who joined the ISI and was involved in the Taliban take-over of Afghanistan. He retained his contacts, and was much respected by the Taliban - the Afghan Taliban, that is. Some time ago he was kidnapped by the Taliban and held for the demand that three leading Taliban persons in Pakistan custody be released.
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We, along with others, thought this to be a ruse. Why would they kidnap and threaten a man who is their close associate and friend? This had to be an attempt by the Taliban to pull a fast one on the US; presumably the Pakistan government would have "exchanged" him for the the three leaders and then turned to the US saying it had no choice.'
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But the man has turned up dead, and now it turns out the Punjab Taliban did him in. He was a negotiator in the Lahore Red Mosque siege, and the Punjab Taliban regarded him as a traitor. After the seize, the Punjabi terrorist groups split, with some members choosing to remain with the Pakistan state, and others who went on to fight the state.
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What this was doing in tribal territory his own except for another Taliban supporter is unknown. The speculation is the Pakistan Government sent him to negotiate with the Punjab Taliban. He would have had to volunteer, presumably, and things went wrong.
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So what does all this mean? As usual with these things, maybe nothing. But it could mean the Punjab Taliban has hardened its anti-government position. If it has, then good luck to everyone, because Pakistan already has enough troubles.
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From India's viewpoint, this is one more piece in helping confirm rumors that the Taliban will turn their attention to Kashmir. A few killings have been reported in Pakistan Kashmir. Many Indians doubt, or did doubt, that the Taliban would turn on India. But see, that's the Afghan Taliban, with whom India keeps contact - just as the US does. The Punjabi Taliban are another matter.
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We've said before that when the Taliban assault against Kashmir comes, the Taliban will find an Indian Army that is fully ready for them. It will not be a decades long ad hoc CI as was the case with the 1985-2005 insurgency.
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The danger here is that if the Taliban push India too much, India will have to retaliate. President Obama has little personal credibility with the Indians unlike Mr. Bush, and after repeatedly having restrained themselves at Mr. Bush's request, the Indians will be in no mood to listen to Mr. Obama.
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So why is Editor, the last known ultra-hawk on Pakistan, worried that a war will result? Isn't that what he's advocated for 40 years?
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Well, yes and no. Editor has advocated a carefully thought out and carefully executed war that will result in bringing Pakistan Kashmir, West Punjab, and Sindh back into the Union of India. This is not the same thing as a half-baked response born of anger, which we are likely to see if India is sufficiently goaded. The metaphor of India as an elephant is appropriate: India plods along peacefully, shrugging off the pinpricks and attacks of insects and small fry. But once an elephant goes mad, well, that is not a good thing for anyone, including the elephant.
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People who know Editor will think he has gone mad after 20-years in the American wilderness. Truthfully, he does feel a bit crazy at times. But he is being sober when he says right now the only thing that may be standing between India and a completely broken Pakistan state, with infinite possibilities for very bad things happening to both India and Pakistan, is the Pakistan Army.
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And the last thing India needs right now is to weaken the Pakistan Army, which is going to happen if India retaliates against Pakistan state and non-state actors attacking India.

[sum]

More from yesterday's orbat on the changing Indian mindset:

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Back to the last-known ultra-hawk on Pakistan. Editor should clarify he is the last of the immediate post-independence generation. But there is a new generation of Indian ultra-hawks coming up. Unlike the editor, who was lonely voice calling in the wilderness - gosh, Editor is so poetic, this new generation is emerging in great numbers - millions, perhaps tens of millions. Editor was tolerated by the Indian establishment because the Indian establishment used to tolerate an immense amount of dissent. He had no following, and his calls for a war to reunite the subcontinent or face the destruction of India was considered amusing - among Editor's supporters, and of no consequence among his detractors. Every time he called the establishment traitors, poltroons, corrupt this and thats because the Government wouldn't go to war, he was ignored (except once, which is the reason he's here in America and not back in America, but that's another story). In other words, Editor was a complete non-entity in the circles that matter.
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But this new lot, now in their 20s-50s, has the power of numbers. They will come to power when Editor has gone to his heavenly reward (okay, we exaggerate - down to the Hot Place), but perhaps someone will remember that the Editor predicted their rise.
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So shouldn't Editor be delighted that this will happen? Not one bit.
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You see, Editor is among the last of the generation who does not, despite all the wars, regard Pakistanis as enemies. He regards them as wayward brethren, led astray by their political leaders - and India's - into accepting Partition when the evidence of millennia says an India that does not control the Northwest will have no security. This is not some emotional attachment to the place of his birth, because frankly he was a child and has no memory of it. Its simply a cold calculation of the national security calculus.
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But: and this is the point here - the new generation does regard Pakistanis as enemies. The Indo-Pakistan wars were relatively clean matters of honor between brothers. But the terrors and insurgencies Pakistan has unleashed on India are dirty, brutal, and horrific. The 20-50s have grown up in a completely different environment. On an abstract level, of course these young Indians know the people of Pakistan are not their enemies, that they are victims of a six-decade old military-feudal-political nexus that has pillaged Pakistan and the people can go hang.
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At the same time, this new generation does not care. If 10- to 50-million Pakistanis have to die to end the Pakistan problem, they have no problems with that. Increasingly, they want Pakistan gone, and how it is made to be gone is not something they are interested in.
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This growing up generation (or generations) does not accept the classic Indian muddle-on-regardless way of life that characteristics India. They want things done, and they want them done right. Many have embraced the "can do" philosophy of America. To them, Pakistan is a cancer, and how do you deal with a cancer? You don't negotiate with a cancer. You kill it.
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So is Editor saying 10-years from now or 20-years from now India is going to go for an all-out war that could even involve N-weapons? Well, yes and no. The no part is the date: Editor cannot say when this will happen. The yes part is, it will happen, and if nuclear release has to be ordered, the new generation will order it.
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Before everyone starts having a fit, please realize the Indian economy is at least six times if not more bigger than Pakistan's. India has at least six times more people. India's conventional superiority is so great that it does not need to consider any nuclear strike.
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But see - that's the Editor talking. The new generation is not going to sit around after attacking Pakistan, and wait for Pakistan to make the first N-move, say a few warheads aimed at an Indian strike corps inside Pakistan. (That's not going to stop the strike corps, but we digress.) It will take as a starting assumption that India must set the parameters for any potential N-use that results from an Indian attack on Pakistan. In other words, if the strategists say India will have to begin the offensive with a Pakistan-wide preemptive strike, the new generation will do what it has to do.
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We're not worried about Pakistani retaliation, and we wont here discuss why not. What we're concerned is that millions of innocent Pakistanis could die. More than that, we're worried that the new lot will NOT want to absorb Pakistan. They will destroy the country, and sow the land with salt. They will make sure it is not a threat for 50-years, or 100-years. Aside from a few minor adjustments of the international border, and the recapture of Kashmir, India will leave the rest of Pakistan alone, because it does not want another couple of hundred Muslims to deal with.
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But, see, that's not going to solve India's security problem. As it is we are threatened by Pakistan's growing instability. What's left of Pakistan after the Indians finish with it will be many times more unstable, and many times more dangerous. In other words, war as the new lot will plan and execute will not help India.
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This is not a scenario. It is a prediction, written in shorthand, by an analyst (the Editor) who tends more than most to speak in much compressed phrases.
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Just remember you read it here

[anupmisra]

Daughter-in-law of pa'astan

Ms Awan (porki federal minister for population welfare) had given her a crown made from 25 tolas of gold, which, at the current price of the precious metal, would probably have cost around Rs800,000. On the occasion, the minister told the bride that she was the ‘daughter-in-law’ of Pakistan.

Sania had obviously snubbed her in an interview to an Indian channel the same day by saying that she wasn’t the daughter-in-law of Pakistan for she had not married the country but an individual.

Tried to bribe her, eh?

[Suppiah]

What are these refernces to "editor" in that orbat article?

[Gerard]

Probably Ravi Rikhye

[Kanson]

More from yesterday's orbat on the changing Indian mindset:

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We're not worried about Pakistani retaliation, and we wont here discuss why not. What we're concerned is that millions of innocent Pakistanis could die. More than that, we're worried that the new lot will NOT want to absorb Pakistan. They will destroy the country, and sow the land with salt. They will make sure it is not a threat for 50-years, or 100-years. Aside from a few minor adjustments of the international border, and the recapture of Kashmir, India will leave the rest of Pakistan alone, because it does not want another couple of hundred Muslims to deal with.
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But, see, that's not going to solve India's security problem. As it is we are threatened by Pakistan's growing instability. What's left of Pakistan after the Indians finish with it will be many times more unstable, and many times more dangerous. In other words, war as the new lot will plan and execute will not help India.
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This is not a scenario. It is a prediction, written in shorthand, by an analyst (the Editor) who tends more than most to speak in much compressed phrases.
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Just remember you read it here

The Editor might be more pleased to be reminded that the Mahabarat war happened in India. And the war is indeed between brothers. Having such example as a valuable guidance, i dont get it why the Editor is thinking otherwise. I dont actually remember the end of Mahabarat War, anyone ?

Ofcourse what is happenning is the "Bedha" phase of Sama, Dhana, Bedha and Dhanda approach.

On a second thought, whether new generation or old, Indians are always somehow has the continous tutelage of their forefathers in engaging with their enemies. Most probably they will let Pakis to rot in their own sauce. And Pakis are cowards by any yardstick.

[Gerard]

Pakistan's Punjab heartland alive with extremist groups

"The Sharifs are creating a potential bomb here in Punjab," Salman Taseer, the governor, told McClatchy in an interview. "These (militant) groups are armed and dangerous. There is no way you can accommodate these people. There has to be zero tolerance."

[shiv]

I am beginning to feel that a JDAM explosion in Dilli or Bombay is nearer than most people think. I can see it coming.

Jai ho or not ,pakis spending few millions against our billions on CW games(to be organised in 2010 in front of world community and gettting a nice way to increase tourism) ,to create havoc and ruin the upstage show at delhi is much more probable to happen,

CramS where are you! How can you allow yourself to be outdone!! Is this fair?

[Satya_anveshi]

^^^ ROFLMAO

Shivji,

The reason I am rofling is that your short and the most witty post says more than all the '00s of the posts I have typed in frustration only to be deleted for not able convey exactly what I wanted.

[RamaY]

Shri Vir Sanghvi goes out of his way to make PM intentions honorable and even finds all sort of dubious equal equal

Mrinal-ji

Vir Sanghvi is not your vanilla WKK journo. His views on Pak are quite hawkish and he does think before he writes. To calibrate, here is an earlier column by him
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/counter ... n-with-it/

Anujan-ji

Isn't he the guy who said "if Kashmiris (read terrorist portion of KM population) wanted Kashmir, give it away" in one of his articles?

[pgbhat]

Pakistan's Punjab heartland alive with extremist groups

"The Sharifs are creating a potential bomb here in Punjab," Salman Taseer, the governor, told McClatchy in an interview. "These (militant) groups are armed and dangerous. There is no way you can accommodate these people. There has to be zero tolerance."

This coming from the same guy, who said this.

No terrorist camps in South Punjab: Taseer
Governor Salman Taseer has said that there are no terrorists training camps in Punjab and the people of the province are very peaceful.

[SSridhar]

The Col. Imam/Khalid Khwaja venture into Taliban badlands on a mission remains murky. The jigsaw pieces do not quite fall into place.

If everybody knows that the Punjabi Taliban were upset with Khalid Khwaja, certainly he would have also known it and yet he ventured to meet them ? Then again, the Punjabi Taliban are said to be upset with him for betraying the Laal Masjid mulla. Why is his janaza being done there then ?

[Gerard]

The Governor lacks piety. Alcohol in the Governor's house. What would Jinnah say? Oh wait...

http://www.ibitians.com/2008/11/20/gove ... s-scandal/

[Hari Seldon]

If everybody knows that the Punjabi Taliban were upset with Khalid Khwaja, certainly he would have also known it and yet he ventured to meet them ? Then again, the Punjabi Taliban are said to be upset with him for betraying the Laal Masjid mulla. Why is his janaza being done there then ?

India too has unwittingly ended up with some leverage here. WOuld be nice for MEA to make statements thanking the non-state actors for their co-operation. And rest assured all hell will break loose in TSP.

Would be nice for example if MEA could issue a press release saying India highly appreciates the co-opn extended by sri Hamid Gulmohar/Maulana Diesel/Ilyas Kashmiri/etc and sit back and watch the fun.

[shravan]

Pakistani Taliban claim credit for failed NYC Times Square car bombing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxgTdkoM ... r_embedded

Qari Hussain Mehsud, the top bomb maker for the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, said he takes "fully responsibility for the recent attack in the USA." Qari Hussain made the claim on an audiotape accompanied by images that was released on a YouTube website that calls itself the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan News Channel.

The tape has yet to be verified, but US intelligence officials contacted by The Long War Journal believe it is legitimate. The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan News Channel on YouTube was created on April 30. Officials believe it was created to announce the Times Square attack, and Qari Hussain’s statement was pre-recorded.

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... z0mmw7dD76

[SSridhar]

Would be nice for example if MEA could issue a press release . . .

Let us not bring India into this fractious war going on there. We have nothing to do with that. Let us desist from this line of thinking.

[Gagan]

The Col. Imam/Khalid Khwaja venture into Taliban badlands on a mission remains murky. The jigsaw pieces do not quite fall into place.

If everybody knows that the Punjabi Taliban were upset with Khalid Khwaja, certainly he would have also known it and yet he ventured to meet them ? Then again, the Punjabi Taliban are said to be upset with him for betraying the Laal Masjid mulla. Why is his janaza being done there then ?

This is just the miffed feudal Pak fauji jernails wanting to show who's boss in Islamabad.

As it is the Army's image is on a knife's edge these days. The taliban are not just challanging the army but also entering the army home base - Rawalpindi cantonement and killing officers, entering army housing mosques and killing retired generals and their families, and kidnapping and killing ex-ISI officers.

Their man was killed by the splinter punjabi taliban group who were angry at the Pakistan army, Pervez musharraf and Khwaja's role in the siege and murder of 84 students including Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi during the Lal Masjid Operation.

The Generals and their feudal mindset want to show that they will do the last rites of Khwaja in the same mosque as a last riposte to his murderers. They want to show that they are the boss. This is important for H&D purposes or the pakistani public will think that the army is getting soft.

[sum]

Would be nice for example if MEA could issue a press release saying India highly appreciates the co-opn extended by sri Hamid Gulmohar/Maulana Diesel/Ilyas Kashmiri/etc and sit back and watch the fun.

No need for that also since going by the ATimes article, the Paki factions are already seeing each other as SDRE agents and Khwaja had gone to Waziristan to name the 10 tribal chiefs who were RAA agents and who should be eliminated ( before he himself got hallaled)

[KrishG]

Interesting read..... Sorry if posted

Killers of Khwaja wanted custody of Afghan Taliban, not release

His abductors believed that Khwaja was responsible for the deaths of dozens of their fellow Punjabi Taliban fighters belonging to the Harkatul Jihadul Islami (HUJI), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ) and Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) who were killed during the July 2007 Operation Silence carried out by the Pakistan Army against the Lal Masjid clerics. The Punjabi Taliban belonging to several Sunni Deobandi sectarian-cum-Jihadi groups which are working in tandem with the Pashtun-dominated Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, further used to despise Khalid Khwaja for his support to the Afghan Taliban and opposition to the Pakistani Taliban.

Muhammad Omar, a spokesman for Taliban Media Centre being operated by the Punjabi Taliban, has already been quoted by the media as saying that Khwaja was executed because he used to call the Punjabi Taliban terrorists and refer to the Afghan Taliban as Mujahideen. However, the family members of the slain ISI officer say Khwaja was opposed to only those elements in the Pakistani Jihadi organisations which had let loose a reign of terror across Pakistan through bloody suicide bombings, which would kill innocent civilians. Yet those investigating Khawaja’s murder pointed out, despite their disgust for the Afghan Taliban, which has already been expressed by the spokesman of the Punjabi Taliban, Omar, the fact remains that the Asian Tigers had demanded the release of some key commanders of the Afghan Taliban (currently in the custody of the Pakistani authorities), including Mulla Abdul Ghani Baradar, in return for the release of Khalid Khwaja, Colonel Sultan Tarar alias Colonel Imam and a British journalist of Pakistani origin, Asad Qureshi.

Khalid Khwaja’s affection for the detained commanders of the Afghan Taliban can be gauged from the fact that he had filed a petition with the Lahore High Court on February 26, 2010, seeking court orders to stop the federal and the Punjab governments from handing over the arrested Afghan Taliban leaders to the US or any other country till further orders. The petitioner contended that the Afghan Taliban leaders were Muslims and arrested from Pakistan, therefore, they should be prosecuted inside Pakistan instead of handing them over to the US. And the LHC Chief Justice Khawaja Sharif had subsequently restrained the federal and the Punjab governments from handing them over to any other country.

[anupmisra]

Porkis being, well, porkis AoA.


Police tortures woman on filing theft complaint

FAISALABAD: A woman was made to lie down on her stomach and tortured in a police station of Faisalabad in the presence of senior male officers who appeared to be taking pleasure out of watching the humiliating act. A female DSP and SHO Women Zahida Perveen were also present on the occasion. Women constables slapped the woman, wearing red Shalwar Kameez, whoe was later made to lie down on her stomach for flogging on the orders of male police officers.

[sum]

So, waht has happened to Col.Imam finally?

[Gagan]

No need for that also since going by the ATimes article, the Paki factions are already seeing each other as SDRE agents and Khwaja had gone to Waziristan to name the 10 tribal chiefs who were RAA agents and who should be eliminated ( before he himself got hallaled)

Err Sir-ji,
He was not halalled. It was more like koophar Jhatka - phinish in one stroke so to say.

The killers were 400% koophar.

[anupmisra]

Times Square bomb
Let's see if this has a paki connection....

US studies bomb evidence from New York's Times Square

"There are forensics in terms of video or possible video that might exist. There is a lot of evidence being tracked down by a lot of people right now," Ms Napolitano said. Security footage is being reviewed after reports that a person had been seen running away from the vehicle.

He said the bomb "looked amateurish" but could have exploded, adding that the incident was a "reminder of the dangers that we face". "We have no idea who did this or why," he added.

A Pakistani-based militant group has issued a message claiming responsibility, but that could be opportunistic and US officials will want to wait for more evidence before pointing the finger, the BBC's security correspondent Gordon Corera says.

Now you know who and why.

[Prem]

So, waht has happened to Col.Imam finally?

Inshallah, if we are lucky,soon shall we see live video of his ticket cut by semi sharp knife and put on the sleeper train to nowhere . Lets hope Qari Miyan shows his hard earned carving skills on Col Imam is Haram. Kuffar world deserves to see tha Ramaba Samba by the snake and the scropian, both proud of BCgiri. Onlee one request to pious Talibs holding him, please dont break the sunna and remember to do the special obligatory prayer while doing Zibbah ( this was not done in case of Pearl and was doubted as an Piety act by Ulema ) otherwise this act of piety wont be acceptable to mango abduls brought up on peace and compassion and hate extremity. Lets not keep us infidels waiting.

[sunnyP]

Murdochs Sky News reporting:


Pakistani Taliban Claims New York Car Bomb


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... k_Car_Bomb

[Sanjay M]

more:

Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

[Gagan]

Something tells me that the talibunnies won't 72 Imam. The pak fauj will downhill ski before that and negotiate his release. This Imam is not a chota mota person, most likely the al quaida and the arabs are looking to get him released as well as the pak army.

I just hope his kidnappers make him meet his 72 before the pak fauj locates them.

[Sanjay M]

[Satya_anveshi]

I smell a rat/pakistan in the news of NY carbomb incident.

Now that the drill is complete, all systems and monitoring are active/alert; now the risk of actual incident at places like India and other vulnerable but important places has increased many fold. IMO 1-2 weeks from now are important and will confirm what US with her poodles are upto.

[Sen_K]

Cloak-and-dagger mystery in Pakistan

With much of the case still a mystery, Pakistanis are filling in the blanks themselves. And as often happens, many point fingers far beyond the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

At the funeral, Beg said Islamist militants could not possibly be the killers. The name "Asian Tigers," he said, "smells of the South of India."

Paki logic has no bounds.

that same cleric, Abdul Aziz, said the prayer at the funeral on Sunday, and then said in an interview that Khawaja was "a person who always fought for his religion."

It's utter nonsense when Asian Tigers talk about the betrayal of Lal Masjid head Abdul Aziz by Khwaja. Yes, Abdul Aziz was captured, but he is lurking around freely inspite of being charged for waging war on TSP (courtesy the ISI?). If Khwaja hadnt brought him out, Aziz would have met his 72 like his brother on that fateful day ending the LM siege.
So, Aziz must indeed be grateful to Khwaja.

Asian Tigers are fooling the world or is it the ISI?