It could be possible, that they are giving money to Jamaat-ud Dawa or other Tanzeems with some social chapter.SSridhar wrote:The ummah is not coming to the wannabe Ummah-leader's distress ?
Pakistan *never* banned JuD. It said the UNSC notification was enough. It also said that Pakistan had de-registered JuD as a charity.Dilbu wrote:Anybody noticed the jamat-ud-dawa badge wearing abduls distributing aid openly? I thought they were banned.
Ahan! Lalbraf for General Secretary of Communist Party of Pakistan (Maoist)!Lalmohan wrote:where is that maoist revolution again?
The difference between a Muslim and Non Muslim country affected by natural disaster, is that in a Muslim country all the people open their homes for the victims, and invite them, the give refuge, help in any way etc..e.g Pakistan earthquake, floods. Non muslims have to send army to control the child kidnappers, the looters, people taking advantage and ransaking other peoples homes, shops, raping women etc..e.g Katrina -USA.
Why would the non-islamic world give money to a society which has trained its people to hate the non-muslim world? You make the bed you lie in. The "ummah" should help this people. The floods have been worser in china. You dont see the chinese begging the world for money. This fanatical society is disgusting.
I heard on CNN that Walmart has just pledged to send 70,111,487 cases of water wings to Pakistan so that should pretty much take care of any future flooding disasters. You can thank Walmart and China for there wonderful plastic products.
Pakistan is becoming a very corrupt country, I have relatives and my father talks about what's going on there. It's just chaos, people killing each other, looters, religous extremists so called "hiding" over there and now a massive flood. ;/
See the comments. At last, looks like westerrns are realising true colours of pakis.
That is true, Cameron's 'looking both ways', a la the very Pakistan he accuses of. There are two aspects to this. One, is, of course, the reasons for Cameron's blunt talk. The other is Farzana Sheikh's intellectual honesty. She has been very critical of Pakistan's policies and actions over the years. Her latest book, 'Making sense of Pakistan' is a must read for any serious Pakistan-watcher. She has rightly criticized Cameron for his duplicity, but having consistently voiced the opinion that Pakistan was doomed because of its 'negative identity' vis-a-vis India, I was disappointed with her deliberate silence on Pakistan's duplicity. The question posed to her allowed her an opportunity to display her honesty which I believe she has done on many other issues before (though some of her interpretations about India were incorrect). By choosing to remain mum on Pakistan's perfidious support for terrorism, which indeed drives most of its Afghan policy, she has compromised her standing to quite some extent. That was what I meant.RajeshA wrote:Farzana Shaikh is interpreting David Cameron's remarks to have been made in the context of Pakistan's conduct w.r.t. Afghanistan War Theater, even if they were made in India. . . . to be fair to Farzana Shaikh, I think she is correctly interpreting it as being directed at the Afghanistan War Theater. If everything had been hunky-dory in Afghanistan, David Cameron would probably not have made this comment.
Yes I disagree. I think this "chasing after lost nukes" is a bluff that the US uses to make people think they wil do it. They have never done it and will not do anything more than lament and beg.Under present circumstances the chances are higher of America getting those
nukes, than if all these things (or some of these things) were not there in the
theatre. Do you disagree?
Well this is exactly the sticking point. Are you saying Pakistan is rational? You have not said it and you will no doubt deny saying that Pakistan is rational if I were to point out a series of irrational Pakistani acts (as I have done earlier in this thread). Either Pakistan is rational or it is not. Are you trying to create some middle ground between rationality and irrationality to squeeze your scenario into that area? I think Pakistan is irrational. How far can anyone go to test the idea that Pakistan is rational. A rational state will not allow non state actors to acquire nukes. You scenario demands that Pakistan act irrationally and you will no doubt explain why that act would be rational from a Pakistani viewpoint. Under the circumstances rationality and irrationality lose their meaning.On the contrary by pushing the line that "Pakistan is irrational" as an absolute
statement, it is you who are creating fear among Indians of a mad-bomber state
that is capable of anything.
Absolutely correct. So what the west thinks should really be made irrelevant to India by some means. Or else the risk to the west needs to be tweaked so that the west wakes up to the monster that they have been supporting against India.Yes, one would have to have some very very naive people... or some other
different kind of people who behave as if they were "naive" for other reasons
entirely. But what to do saar, all kinds of people exist in the world.
In the West there are the kind of people who, when faced with hard evidence of
Pakistani nuclear proliferation to the West's worst enemies, said "the past is
the past" and pretended that the whole thing was conducted by a "maverick"
one-man network.
Yes, I realise that you have said that. I am not convinced for many reasons - at least one of those reasons being that you have had to create a very special scenario for your idea (of increased risk to India) to become true. the chances of that particular scenario happening are no more likely than a whole lot of other scenarios, including, in my view a direct attack on India from Pakistan. We are just going to disagree about the likelihood of your special case scenario even occurring weighed against numerous other things that could happen. It is likely that you have actually thought these things through as I have done but are choosing to portray one particular viewpoint of what you state could to happen. That is good for a robust discussion but cannot be passed off as the only possibility.I have said India is more unsafe compared to the present day... not that we are
more unsafe compared to the USA or Israel, if the Taliban come back to power in
Kabul.
What I am getting at is not merely the increase in risk to the US, Israel and the West, but the fallout of that increased risk to a Pakistan that has lost to the Taliban or has handed nukes to the Taliban.I accept these calculations. You have established that after a Taliban
takeover the quantum of danger to US and Israel increases. I agree. But how much
does the quantum of danger to India decrease? I don't think it decreases
significantly; in fact it increases for a significant window of time between
Taliban takeover of Kabul and Taliban takeover of Pakistan. THAT is what my
scenario is about.
SSridhar wrote: . She has rightly criticized Cameron for his duplicity, but having consistently voiced the opinion that Pakistan was doomed because of its 'negative identity' vis-a-vis India, I was disappointed with her deliberate silence on Pakistan's duplicity. The question posed to her allowed her an opportunity to display her honesty which I believe she has done on many other issues before (though some of her interpretations about India were incorrect). By choosing to remain mum on Pakistan's perfidious support for terrorism, which indeed drives most of its Afghan policy, she has compromised her standing to quite some extent. That was what I meant.
Allah ke naam pe dede!Nudrrat Khwaja wrote:Reading the comments below was not a pleasant experience, but I believe whatever said is not entirely wrong or misplaced. As a Pakistani journalist, I come across so many stories in real life that makes me cringe in pain and shame. The degeneration of society, social values is no where seen. All the things mentioned in the comments and many more are prevalent in Pakistani society. And I will not try to defend any of those. You guys are justified in venting your anger for Pakistan. But this country was not made on secular grounds, why would it become one now? Your idea of change is valid only where there are leaders to bring about, We dont have any leader. We have poverty, injustice, corruption, illiteracy, religious extremism. And this will grow even more in these times. When no other country comes to their aid, the vacuum is filled by the religious extremist groups. And the consequences of such events are not local or regional anymore. Don to give money to the government or army of Pakistan. IF you feel like helping, give it to the international organisations providing relief work; like the Red Cross.
I am not here to argue, preach or to try to change your minds. I read all your comments and I felt like so many people are hitting me, I could physically feel your hatred. So I thought about leaving a comment. Anyways, i hope things get better.
shiv wrote:OK. At least is she good lookin'?
You can judge for yourself in the link I posted for the interview.every thing that is ours is TFTA still this same paki is residing in Australia and now GwadarBali is famous for its beaches. No doubt about it. They were filled with foreign tourists. I can assure my readers that our beaches at Gwadar and Ormara are far superior but lack infrastructure and environment.
My admiration for Bali residents has really shot up. There is nothing much to know about Pakis. They are nobody and those few who knew about them knew what mattered the most that was terrorism so bang for buck in terms of knowledgeMoreover, it pained us when most of the people recognised us as Indians. When we met a cross-section of the local population, it further shocked us to know that 98 per cent of the people did not even know about Pakistan, and those who did was through ‘terrorism’.
I would also like to request our embassy in Jakarta to spare some time from looking after politicians/government officials and their families and devote some time for projecting Pakistan’s image.
SSridhar wrote:shiv wrote:OK. At least is she good lookin'?
Expected her to be in the mould of Ms. Shrill.
Oh shooot! I'm sorry I asked.I am already shivering.Allah alone knows how many horror's they can commit on us because of this onlee.Sam wrote:There is a downside to the Pakistani terror groups taking part in flood relief help.
Once the waters have dried up the ordinary Pakistani might be beholden to these terror groups.
Maybe the Pakistani Army and the Pakistan government is dragging their feet with a purpose.
ramana wrote:Can someone plot TSPA/PAF locations on this map and make an assessment?
Thanks.
Also when aid for rebuilding starts from the US watch for which areas are getting rebuilt.
Zardari took care of the 460 mil during his EU trip.Mort Walker wrote:^^^No. They are dragging their feet in order to embezzle the $460 million of aid money. The terror groups will receive payout later.
Has the Pak Punjab been affected significantly? So far the flooding looks like the NW provinces and middle of TSP. Until Punjab is hit hard, they won't feel the pain and the elites will remain in control.
What a sad day for India , we had such an excellent relations with the current talibs and Pakis.Sam wrote:
Since the flooding is in and around NW Pakistan it makes it all the more dangerous grounds for recruting future Talibs.
I would not be so sure. Armed forces are trained and accustomed to being hit by events that destroy equipment and entire bases. They are set up to keep out of the way as far as possible and to recover quickly.Venkarl wrote:okay so with these map...can we say PAF got hit very badly? Army??
Rank cowardice masquerading as pedantic BS from this author. I mean see this:SSridhar wrote:Is there an Indian concept of securtiy ? - IDSA Comment
Yeah right, if ideas from India including those from Hindus/Sikhs don't have any teeth, then all we will be left with is "oh those smarty Indians" pats on the back for being good boys/gals, while the whites and other TFTAs have all the fun. Give me a break.
One should not forget that at the end of the day it does not really matter who rules the world at the practical level, but the crucial issue is whose ideas rule the world.
Absolutely. Like the 2005 earthquake, TSP will come out of this unscathed in their ability to hit India. I was listening to BBC on NPR the other day, and one UK reporter with some brains compared with the mouthpieces on US media made the same enlightening observation; he said the floods have not done much damage to hig-lying areas of Punjab from where the TSP elites come from. He was saying this when discussing the path of the floods and the possibility that Sindh could be deluged.Mort Walker wrote:^^^No. They are dragging their feet in order to embezzle the $460 million of aid money. The terror groups will receive payout later.
Has the Pak Punjab been affected significantly? So far the flooding looks like the NW provinces and middle of TSP. Until Punjab is hit hard, they won't feel the pain and the elites will remain in control.
SSridhar wrote:Is there an Indian concept of securtiy ? - IDSA Comment
Since it is probably not a decision based on pure power calculations, the entire article comes into question.Historically, if Indian response has been ‘soft’ to any military insult or terrorist attack, is it possible to explain this only with the above-mentioned lack of decisiveness in decision-making or other elements? If it is based on purely power calculations, India should have responded in an adequate way as it has very strong military capacity and response ability compared to Pakistan.
Pulikeshi - wrong or right the primary aim of most planners one speaks to in India is to make it "developed". The particular mantra that was quoted was that India can be aid to be "developed" when the lifestyle of a rural Indian can be considered equal to that of an urban Indian.Pulikeshi wrote: I for one have not heard one Indian politician or babu articulate what they want the Indian-Subcontinent to look like 5, 10, 25 years from now.
All this is perhaps, the Indian citizen could care less what the Indian-Subcontinent looks like... and has more important priorities.
Be glad to stand corrected....
okayshiv wrote:I would not be so sure. Armed forces are trained and accustomed to being hit by events that destroy equipment and entire bases. They are set up to keep out of the way as far as possible and to recover quickly.Venkarl wrote:okay so with these map...can we say PAF got hit very badly? Army??
I would use as examples the IAF at Bhuj after the quake, IAF after the Tsunami and in the last week the IAF at Leh.
Ok there may be flooding of low lying areas including hangars and blast pens. But the PAF will be back in action with some material losses.
I was under the impression that....their ground & underground facilities took a major blow along with missile regiments...as their aircrafts will anyway be scrambled to safer bases. I guess a satellite image of these bases will clarify their status. My guess is ARC has an update on this. btw..OT prashn for jingos...can an IPS officer get into ARC?