Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Aug 2010 22:33

saip wrote: Couple of years back, my company wanted me to go to Pakistan and the travel agent who was supposed to get me my visa insisted that I should send my old Indian passport also even though I am US citizen. SO I guess Pakistan does check your origin before it issues visas. Anyway before the visa was applied for the whole thing fell thro.

Good you didn't get a paki stamp on your passport! you'd have trouble entering just about every other country once you had that. You'd get tired of stripping and bending over for the officers.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 24 Aug 2010 23:07

ramana wrote:Looks like a Paki marker.

Ramanaji, you had an idea for a political cartoon on TSP. Forgot what it was. can you repost?

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 24 Aug 2010 23:25

A frind of mine, who is from Tamil Nadu, has his brother living in Punjab, near Jallandhar in fact. He said that his brother regularly meets some Lahore RoP'ers who stay there.

Seems there many non-spy kind of Pakroachers also in india living.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Aug 2010 23:43

http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10004 ... ?tag=mncol

NASA images capture extent of Pakistan flooding (photos)

On July 28, as the rain began to fall over Pakistan, the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) instrument on NASA's Aqua spacecraft flew over the Pakistan, capturing this image of the bright white thunderstorm clouds that would eventually drop more than 16 inches of rain over the region on July 28 and 29, triggering massive flooding of the Indus and Kabul rivers. The blue vertical line across the image represents the path of CloudSat at the time the MODIS image was recorded. CloudSat cut through a large thunderstorm cell in the northern section of the country capturing the the 3D vertical structure of the storm along the satellite's flight path, revealing the heavy precipitation. CloudSat measured the height of the clouds along the radar's flight path at around 15 kilometers at their thickest.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Aug 2010 23:45

Floods play havoc with Pakistan power hopes

Flood-hit Pakistan will face increasing shortages of natural gas and electricity, both in the short and the long term, with existing structures damaged and future supplies threatened.

The Qadirpur field accounts for about 40% of production by Oil & Gas Development Co, which is a quarter of the country's total output. The disruption in gas supply will affect transport, fertilizer production and other sectors, except domestic consumers.

Three projects under construction - Jinnah Hydro, Allai Khwar and Khan Khwar - have been inundated.

Also there is mention of the Iran baki pipeline delays with massa warning baki about it.

saip · Post by **saip** » 24 Aug 2010 23:53

^^^

Heard Bangladesh has been asked to join the Baki pipe line and they are 'mulling' over it. I am not sure how they can join it though!

http://thenews.com.pk/latest-news/240.htm

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Aug 2010 23:57

saip wrote:^^^

Heard Bangladesh has been asked to join the Baki pipe line and they are 'mulling' over it. I am not sure how they can join it though!

I have posted in BD thread.
It is to be called iran Paki India Bd line. can occur only if India signs it which can occur only quickly if and when baki implodes.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Aug 2010 00:03

Pakistan floods: people return home to find nothing left, nothing at all
and
As floodwaters recede, anger grows in northwest Pakistan

mentions houses made of mud. well rapes get millions of $$$$, looking forward to new shiny toys across my home.

Both articles and the author are the same with sob story and growing anger at authorities, and taliban charity doing well but under different headlines in different countries (Ukstan and massa)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Aug 2010 00:14

Excerpt from a John Kerry letter to Democrats, omitted the please donate part.

I just got home to Massachusetts from seeing the floods in Pakistan -- and what I saw there was as devastating and gripping as the last humanitarian crisis I emailed you about. Even as I sit here I'm shaken by the fact that this is Pakistan's Katrina.

It's not just that one fifth of the country - an area larger than all of New England, New York, New Jersey and Maryland combined - is submerged under historic flooding, or that with weeks left in the monsoon season, it could get even worse.

None of that captures what I saw and heard when our helicopter touched down. I went to Multan in the Punjab plains. This is no isolated hamlet, but an ancient city, a district capital with a population of over 1.5 million. And it's inundated with water.

I spoke to the people, heard their stories, their desperation for food and water. They talked of the joy when they saw American Chinook helicopters - distinctive for their two big rotors - because they knew help was arriving. But the scale of the disaster hit me as I flew over the city and surrounding valley, mile after mile of Punjabi plains turned into a massive lake, this large city covered in water. Roads were washed out, vehicles abandoned, tall buildings turned into places of desperate refuge. Any flat surface high enough to escape the waters became a life-raft, often packed with people willing to bake in the hot sun rather than face the barrier of the flood-waters. The scene stretched on and on.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2010 00:28

krisna wrote:Pakistan floods: people return home to find nothing left, nothing at all
and
As floodwaters recede, anger grows in northwest Pakistan

mentions houses made of mud. well rapes get millions of $$$$, looking forward to new shiny toys across my home.

Both articles and the author are the same with sob story and growing anger at authorities, and taliban charity doing well but under different headlines in different countries (Ukstan and massa)

Excerpt from first link...

Amid the fatalism of some, there is also burning anger, at the authorities, in particular the provincial government which is run by the secular Awami National Party. Charsadda district was the party's base but in Fakirabad Majoki, residents spat expletives at the ANP, praising instead the mildly Islamist party of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and the pro-Taliban Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, which they said had come to their aid or at least shown concern.

"The ANP is not here, it doesn't exist for us," said Hameedullah, a 55-year-old villager. "Asfandyar [Wali Khan, the ANP leader] hasn't come here, even to his own area. If I saw him, I would become a suicide bomber against him myself."

According to a senior official in the Charsadda administration, Kamran Rehman Khan, the floods affected 74,000 families in the district, roughly 500,000 people, with 54,000 of those families now housed in schools or tents.

ANP is showing the same foolishness that Frontier Gandhi's party showed and became marginal.

Wonder if Indian aid can be channelled to NWFP areas? Open relief clinics and camps in Afghanistan?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Aug 2010 00:45

desert kingdom gives $170 million to bakis

A relief airlift consisting of 22 planes has already delivered supplies to flood victims, including food, blankets, electrical generators, tents, water, and medical supplies, worth $70 million. Furthermore, as of Friday, Saudi assistance, including the government, citizens and corporations, have donated more than $106 million to the people affected by the flooding in Pakistan.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Aug 2010 00:54

krisna wrote:It is to be called iran Paki India Bd line. can occur only if India signs it which can occur only quickly if and when baki implodes.

May be Iran and India could together try to expedite these favorable conditions for a gas pipeline between the two countries.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Aug 2010 00:55

Ahmadinejad to Visit Flood-Hit Pakistan

The announcement comes after Pakistan’s Minister of Internal Affairs, Rehman Malik’s arrival in Tehran on Saturday to meet his counterpart Najjar and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Foreign Minister Monuchehr Mottaki, Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani.

The main purpose of the visit is to discuss issues of security and control of common border, it has emerged.
According to Iranian media, as a result of floods in Pakistan a lot of refugees specially from Balochistan, try to cross its eastern border with Iran.

balochistan is relatively unaffected except parts bordering jacobabad. it is a long way to iran from sindh border.

US ambassador at large for Afghanistan and Pakistan – Mr. Richard Holbrooke had questioned why Pakistan’s traditional ally China and Iran have not come forward, asking them “to step up to the plate”.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Aug 2010 01:08

krisna wrote:desert kingdom gives $170 million to bakis

Pakistan has agreed to export flood waters to the desert kingdom at reduced rates.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Aug 2010 01:19

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa attacks in retaliation against crackdown on 'terror' relief camps

Although no specific group has claimed responsibility for half a dozen different terrorist acts in northwest and eastern Punjab provinces of Pakistan on Monday, analysts say it is an apparent hitting-back at the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provincial government's Monday closing down of 16 relief camps being operated by disbanded militant groups distributing cooked food and other necessities among the flood victims.

"None of us wants to see this crisis to provide an opportunity or an excuse for people who want to exploit the misfortune of others for political or ideological purposes," Kerry commented. The U.S. has also injected 1,000 marines, to the dismay of some, along with a squad of military helicopters to supplement Pakistani troops rescue operations.
Dancing in tune with Kerry, law enforcers in Pakistani were too quick to jump on the militants who were rather concentrating on doing their share of relief work while subduing subversion during the past three weeks of flooding.

The banned India specific jihadi organizations that stepped in to supplement relief work being conducted by Pakistani military's praise worthy operations include Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and Hizb-ut-Tehrir. While outlawed sectarian organizations such as Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi are also in forefront of the relief work.

Analysts believe that governance problem that has affected the deliverance on part of district administration in the flood affected areas around Pakistan has created a vacuum that the militants are trying to fill in to clinch the battle for wining hearts and minds, as in the recent past rampant suicide bombing spree had killed scores of innocent civilians lowering the militants support graph

reason for vacuum bulb explosions past present and in future

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Aug 2010 01:24

RajeshA wrote:
krisna wrote:desert kingdom gives $170 million to bakis
Pakistan has agreed to export flood waters to the desert kingdom at reduced rates.

great idea
Baki-Iran-Iraq-Saudi pipeline project
win- win situation-- bakis become araps with export of Indus waters with resultant desertification.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 25 Aug 2010 02:36

Banks close 64 branches in affected areas

Sindh is the worst-hit by the floods, but the number of bank branches closed was 20 in the affected areas. There are fears that more bank branches could be closed down as the pressure of flood is still mounting in Sindh which may cause devastation in other areas as well.In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the first victim of the flash flood, nine banks’ branches had been closed down. While only four branches were closed in Balochistan.

The victims are facing serious problems to withdraw their own money from the banks while they have lost every asset in the flood.

Many overseas Pakistanis want to extend monetary help to their brethren but the closure of bank branches has been hampering the flow of donations in the affected areas.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2010 02:50

Ever wonder why the ordinary pakistanis don't want to give up land on the banks of the Indus, even though it floods them every year? This year the floods have been unprecedented, but a lot of flooding though of lesser magnitude occurs each year.

The reason is that the flood waters leave behind a sediment that is rich in nutrients for crops to grow on. Also when the Indus receedes it becomes somewhat of a stream in the middle of the river. The rest of the riverbed is taken over for cultivation, because again the soil is rich in fresh nutirents and there is no scarcity of water.

Pakistani villages and villagers get into frequent fights over rights to this land, which is unmarked territory, and the principle of might is right applies. A lot of blood gets spilled in the most medieval barbaric fashion each year, when the Indus receedes. This year after the catastrophe that has befallen the people on the banks of this river, this killing and maiming fest is going to follow soon.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 25 Aug 2010 03:16

this message was self halaled.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Aug 2010 03:35

How can Poak export Paani when we control the tap? Remember 180 Millions Dams we made for each and every Poak. Otherwise how are our kids gonna learn about fish called Paklmon and play the game of Poakahanta.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 25 Aug 2010 03:41

To be honest Allah has given pani and international baksheesh chappad phaad ke. It is now up to the Pakroaches to deal with the situation accordingly. Knowing the Pakroach's mind he will demand an aircraft carrier to distribute relief

James B · Post by **James B** » 25 Aug 2010 04:04

Institutional radicalisation of public schools —Ali K Chishti

“Hindu pundits were jealous of Al-Beruni” (Social Studies, Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, page 82). Another textbook reads, “The Hindus who had always been opportunists” (Social Studies, Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, page 141). Still another reads, “The Hindus had always been an enemy of Islam.” (Urdu, Class V, Punjab Textbook Board, page 108). An e-mail I got from a Pakistani Hindu friend asked me what did they do to deserve this treatment. I had no answers. It is probably a classical example of our state’s deterioration because of its relentless pursuit of a destructive foreign policy agenda, and also abdicating its role in education to the jihadi organisations. Worse, whatever little education the state provides is not much better than what is being provided by the madrassas or by a school system like Al-Dawa (run by Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT)) in terms of producing enlightened citizens. One, therefore, does not need a very active imagination to figure out the direction in which the country is headed. In fact, schools like those run by Jamaat-ud-Dawa (a new name for LeT), which received Punjab government’s funding of Rs 30million, systematically replaced the mainstream curriculum. Now Allah instead of anar (pomegranate) is used to teach the sound of the Urdu alphabet letter alif; bandooq (gun) instead of bakri (goat) for bey and jihad instead of jahaz (ship) for jeem. These jehadi public schools manufacturing Kasabs and Shezad Tanvirs who, when asked about their identity, class themselves as Muslims first and Pakistani afterwards. There are millions of ‘non-state actors’ whose handlers could prod them into doing anything by evoking emotions through misquoting Quranic verses.

I object the use of 'gun'(bandooq) instead of 'goat'(bakri) for bey. It should be reverted back to bakri that Pakis are more familiar and intimate with.

If this institutionalised radicalisation was not enough, Zaid Hamid, our very own Bill O’Reilly, was unleashed upon us as a propaganda-machine, who just would not stop talking until he waves a sabz hilali (a green flag with a crescent) on the Red Fort. This wannabe messiah, who is absolutely immune to logic, would give out sermons at universities and on television promoting a revived caliphate, pan-Islamism and inciting hatred against minorities. Anyone who monitors him closely would know that he has got a nuisance value and quite a bit of fans. He has transformed himself as the new messiah of generation-X with a good 40,000 fans on his Facebook page.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 25 Aug 2010 04:06

Paquis must be thinking about hindi movie dialog...Pani, pani pe likha hei marne wale ka naam.

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 25 Aug 2010 04:17

Pakistan moves choppers from Taliban fight to relief

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has relieved some helicopters from the fight against the Taliban for use in rescue and relief operations in flooded regions. “The first priority of these helicopters is relief work,” a security official said on condition of anonymity. Asked how could it impact operations against militants in the northwest, he said, “They cannot be readily available, but we can bring them back any time if needed. We haven’t lowered our guard”. Additionally, the army has redeployed about 60,000 troops for relief efforts. Military officials say they have not withdrawn any of the 140,000 ground troops fighting militants along the border with Afghanistan, rather redeployed some from central Punjab. Any diversion of army’s focus from the fight with militants would raise alarm in the US, as Pakistan’s action in its Tribal Areas is crucial for Washington’s efforts to suppress Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan. reuters

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2010_pg1_4

Redeployment will happen after Bakhshsees collection.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Aug 2010 04:18

Pakistan, on behalf of the OIC, is moving the UN to prevent "defamation of religion".

http://blog.unwatch.org/wp-content/uplo ... 10-hrc.pdf

Meaning, if this passes, then if you draw a cartoon of the Prophet, you are now not only offending Pakistan, you are offending the United Nations.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Aug 2010 04:54

China "lost no time" in delivering aid to flood-hit Pakistan

China "lost no time" in delivering badly needed relief items to flood-hit Pakistan, Pakistani ambassador to China Masood Khan said Monday.
"China was one the first countries to respond to the relief needs of Pakistan when it was hit by the worst floods in 81 years. China moved with speed," said Khan in an exclusive interview with Xinhua.

back to china

China increased its aid from 1.5 million US dollars to 10 million US dollars, including tents, sludge cleaning and water purifying equipment, generators, blankets, food, bottled water, and medicines to the neighboring south Asian state.
The Pakistani embassy to China has received messages of solidarity and sympathy from Chinese from all walks of life -- students, doctors, engineers, corporate executives, media persons, academics, artists, and farmers, Khan said. Can baki read chinese

One company in Chengdu donated 1,000 tons of rice. A dean of the prestigious Tsinghua University donated a month's salary for relief. Professionals of a company who had worked in Pakistan collected funds for the victims.

The embassy had opened an account with the Bank of China for the "Pakistan Prime Minister's Relief Fund" and the smallest donation was 10 yuan, while the largest was 800,000 yuan (117,666 US dollars).This will pocket the RAPEs no wonder bakis are elated.

Read you kuffars
that is the bonhomie between baki and the thaller and dipper and non monsoon fiend

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Aug 2010 05:15

The military and the mullahs

The Pakistani state has a long history of nurturing jihadis as a means of dominating Afghanistan and undermining India. It is proving a fatal alliance

Asif Ali Zardari (while minister for investment, he was nicknamed "Mr 10 Per Cent"; he has now been upgraded to "Mr 110 Per Cent")

But Kayani's biggest triumph this year, arguably the greatest of his career, was his visit to Kabul in July as the honoured guest of the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai. The visit marked an important thawing in Pak-Afghan relations, which have been glacial ever since Karzai came to power in 2001. It also coincided with the sacking of Amrullah Saleh, Karzai's pro-Indian and rabidly anti-ISI former security chief. Saleh is a tough Tajik who rose to prominence as a mujahedin protégé of Ahmed Shah Massoud, the Indian-backed "Lion of Panjshir". The Taliban, and their sponsors in the ISI, had regarded Saleh as their fiercest opponent, something Saleh was enormously proud of.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, one of the most violent Taliban commanders, was given sanctuary in North Waziristan.

The ISI has even been prepared to arrest any members of the Afghan Taliban who didn't follow orders. Hence the seizure in Karachi, in February, of the Taliban second-in-command, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, along with about a dozen other senior Taliban whom the ISI regarded as infringing on their hospitality by opening talks with the Karzai administration via the Saudis, without ISI clearance.

Yet, even though the Pakistani army has conducted major offensives in six of the tribal areas, the seventh, North Waziristan, has been left alone, as it is home to the ISI's favourite proxies: Haqqani and Hekmatyar

But India will not take this lying down. Already the Indian press has reported attempts to resuscitate the Northern Alliance as a contingency against the Taliban's takeover of the south, and here India is working in conjuction with Russia, Iran and the central Asian "stans". The Indian national security adviser, Shivshankar Menon, was despatched to Afghanistan in March, and the foreign minister, S M Krishna, has visited Tehran. Post-American Afghanistan is looking increasingly likely to be divided between the Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara north and the Pashtun south, either formally, with a partition, or more likely, to slip into inter-ethnic civil war, with India supporting and arming the north and Pakistan the south.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2010 05:41

Err, those blonde haired malnourished pakis with their bones popping out have Protein Energy Malnutrition, specifically Kwashiorkor.

Lots of BRFites must have read this in their biology class, now see for yourselves, the level of superb nutrition that Pakistani peasents enjoy.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 25 Aug 2010 05:55

A_Gupta wrote:Pakistan, on behalf of the OIC, is moving the UN to prevent "defamation of religion".

http://blog.unwatch.org/wp-content/uplo ... 10-hrc.pdf

Meaning, if this passes, then if you draw a cartoon of the Prophet, you are now not only offending Pakistan, you are offending the United Nations.

Does it mean that Saudis can no longer seize and throw bibles/Gita etc into the dustbin if someone carries it to their country?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Aug 2010 06:01

Recall that wh*re Sarmila Bose trivializes TSP crimes in 1971; in fact she even refers to the "bravery" of her her TFTA lovers. She may be getting orgasams imagining Niazi doing to her what he and his ilk did to Bangladeshi women

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/world ... etter.html

Looks like this report has been vetted by Pentagon/CIA/state dept, it is carefully worded without implicating TSP directly except for this snippet:

And this war yields haunting stories. A young filmmaker, Ananda, documents the continuing trauma of the village of Shohagpur in his film “The Village of Widows,” which will also be screened next year. In July 1971, Pakistani soldiers descended on this quiet hamlet, which was suspected of supporting the Mukti Bahini, the independence fighters. They rounded up all the men and killed them. Four decades later, as Mr. Ananda records, Shohagpur has no old men. The women live alongside the graves of their dead.

klein · Post by **klein** » 25 Aug 2010 06:19

The Afghan NSA lets rip.

How can we persuade Afghans, or the parents of young soldiers from coalition countries, to support a war where our ''partners'' are involved in killing their sons and daughters? While we are losing dozens of men and women to terrorist attacks every day, the terrorists' main mentor continues to receive billions of dollars in aid and assistance. How is this fundamental contradiction justified?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... 13qa4.html

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Aug 2010 07:09

IMF Assesses Financing for Pakistan After Devastating Floods

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sur ... 82410A.htm

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Aug 2010 07:21

krisna wrote:
saip wrote:^^^

Heard Bangladesh has been asked to join the Baki pipe line and they are 'mulling' over it. I am not sure how they can join it though!
It is to be called iran Paki India Bd line. can occur only if India signs it which can occur only quickly if and when baki implodes.

It can also occur when Pakistan is bypassed entirely. This is what many of us have been saying for over a decade now. See this and also this. Of course, implosion is independent and a parallel activity to be welcomed on its own merit.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2010 07:36

surinder wrote:A frind of mine, who is from Tamil Nadu, has his brother living in Punjab, near Jallandhar in fact. He said that his brother regularly meets some Lahore RoP'ers who stay there.

Seems there many non-spy kind of Pakroachers also in india living.

I have wondered about the interaction there is - both from personal observation and from others' accounts. On a human level we relate to Pakroaches as human. Pakroaches by and large - in their interactions are not shouting "jeehaaard". What they usually do is to curse their own government and claim that it is "Both our governments" (or "hardliners" from each side) who are at fault.

How many Indians (even on here) agree with what the Indian government is doing? The WKKs among Indians agree with the Pakroaches that the government is at fault. How many of us "hardliners" tell Pokroaches that they need to be exterminated? On the other hand we too agree with them that the "Government is at fault". Only we don't say that the GoI's fault is not exterminating them. And persumably they don't say how they love their army and donate to the JuD.

Under the circumstances who can blame WKKs who befriend Pakroaches? After all, all of us South Asians agree that we are all people who desire peace and that the Governments are at fault.

There is an "exploit" in our firewall that allows "friendship" on terms that we do not like.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Aug 2010 08:04

The Anarchic Republic of Pakistan
http://nationalinterest.org/article/ana ... istan-3917

THERE IS perhaps no other political-military elite in the world whose aspirations for great-power regional status, whose desire to overextend and outmatch itself with meager resources, so outstrips reality as that of Pakistan. If it did not have such dire consequences for 170 million Pakistanis and nearly 2 billion people living in South Asia, this magical thinking would be amusing.
This is a country that sadly appears on every failing-state list and still wants to increase its arsenal from around 60 atomic weapons to well over 100 by buying two new nuclear reactors from China. This is a country isolated and friendless in its own region, facing unprecedented homegrown terrorism from extremists its army once trained, yet it pursues a “forward policy” in Afghanistan to ensure a pro-Pakistan government in Kabul as soon as the Americans leave.
For a state whose economy is on the skids and dependent on the IMF for massive bailouts, whose elite refuse to pay taxes, whose army drains an estimated 20 percent of the country’s annual budget, Pakistan continues to insist that peace with India is impossible for decades to come. For a country that was founded as a modern democracy for Muslims and non-Muslims alike and claims to be the bastion of moderate Islam, it has the worst discriminatory laws against minorities in the Muslim world and is being ripped apart through sectarian and extremist violence by radical groups who want to establish a new Islamic emirate in South Asia.

However, no real change is possible without a change taking place in the army’s obsessive mind-set regarding India, its determination to define and control national security, and its pursuit of an aggressive forward policy in the region rather than first fixing things at home.It is insufficient for the army to merely acknowledge that its past pursuit of foreign-policy goals through extremist proxies has proven so destructive; it is also necessary for the army to agree to a civilian-led peace process with India. Civilians must have a greater say in what constitutes national security. Until that happens, the army’s focus on the threat from New Delhi prevents it from truly acknowledging the problems it faces from extremism at home.The army’s track record shows that it cannot offer political or economic solutions for Pakistan. Indeed, the history of military regimes here shows that they only deepen economic and political problems, widen the social, ethnic and class divide, and alienate the country from international investment and aid.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2010 08:23

Just a heads-up folks.

My review of the book by Air Cmde Sajad "Nosey" Haider is online on BR
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/index ... cle&id=812

The book has a lot of stuff about Pakistan that should be of interest to to the non military historian as mentioned in the review.

Haider is known in India as the man who led the 1965 PAF attack on Pathankot - a raid that has been documented in Jagan's book

The story is also on BR
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Histo ... ankot.html

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 25 Aug 2010 08:24

You know who in Nutty nation

Dialectics of humanity and violence

As for the elected representatives, they seem to have all but disappeared by and large from their constituencies except when they need to divert flood-waters away from their properties and investments. The protest by the Deputy Chairman of the Senate regarding what he says is the deliberate flooding of Balochistan reflects the mindset of the political elite. The whole controversy surrounding the Jacobabad air base and the need to give in to US diktat further adds to the sorry state of affairs regarding our leadership. Perhaps, the most sickening aspect has been the hue and cry by the Pakistani rulers, echoing a US mantra, that somehow the militants were making inroads because of the floods. As a result of this insensitivity to people’s needs and suffering, a number of effective relief giving organisations like the Jamaat-ud-Dawah have been closed down and their relief work stopped. Instead, our rulers have grabbed at a paltry $ 5 million offered by India - money that is soaked in the blood of Kashmiris and which should have been refused outright.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2010 08:59

Prem wrote:The Anarchic Republic of Pakistan
http://nationalinterest.org/article/ana ... istan-3917

What an amazing article. Why has he written it?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 25 Aug 2010 09:21

One big towel thrown in by a paki.
Pakistan’s human cockroaches

Pakistan, you are a failed state. Not because of Zardari. Not because of America. But because you are a failed people, all of us undeserving of sympathy. We are diseased, rotten to every brain stem, world please make an impenetrable fence around us, keep us all in so we don’t spread it to other people, other countries.

The middle and upper classes are immune to education it seems. They hold opinions of everyday violence even if they have never raised their hand at anyone. If you believe Jews are the scum of the earth, all Ahmadis deserve to die or that Hindus are inferior, well why not two teenage boys?
I want Pakistanis to feel shame, in fact a substantial loss of self-esteem would be great. This is the only way for us to begin to doubt ourselves and the incessant excuses we make. Yes, the world is right to add restrictions on our visas, to see us as dangerous.

There is such a sense of sickening moral superiority in Pakistanis, it needs to be addressed. All we care about is foreign policy, eager to point out the hypocrisies of the world, silent on our domestic, or even local life. Why should the world take what you say seriously, why should you be a regional power, or a leader in the comity of Islamic nations?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2010 10:23

There is a good chance that both Khushab (nuclear reactor) and Sargodha saw some flooding

Click on image
Images from Google Earth and http://ahmadladhani.wordpress.com/2010/ ... ite-image/

http://geo.tv/important_events/2010/rai ... 7-2010.asp

Our Jauharabad correspondent adds: Several villages in Khushab district were inundated due to rains continuing for the last 72 hours.

Various houses, schools and other official buildings collapsed across the district, particularly in the Mohar area, while crops over hundreds of acres were also badly damaged. Several localities in Khushab Town, the biggest one in the district, were also inundated by rainwater. Under instructions from the DCO, relief teams had been sent to the affected areas. A flood control room has been established to deal with any emergency situation.

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He said that flood water played ravish with Bhakkar, Khushab, Jauharabad and Bhalwal where 3 to 5 feet deep water forced FESCO to disconnect 11-KV branches of 11-KV feeders. This decision was imperative to save any loss of life and property, he clarified. Chief Executive further told that fully trained staff has been deputed in these areas to work on emergency basis for the restoration of electricity.