Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

[CalvinH]

http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... the-heart/

The Sialkot lynching is a mirror image of another lynching which we have conveniently forgotten. This takes us to 1994 when the Taliban, made and molded in and by Pakistan, invaded the UN-protected enclave in Kabul where they lynched Dr Najibullah and his brother. After lynching them publicly, just like their brethren have done in Sialkot, the Taliban hung the corpses of the two brothers and mutilated them; they even chopped off their private parts. At that time hundreds of people cheered on the Taliban as they disrespected the two corpses just like the hundreds of people did in Sialkot; the only difference being that there were no mobiles phones available at that time. Again, it is our “Pakistani” Taliban who Pakistan Army thinks are “good Taliban” who last year dug up a pir from his grave and hanged, and not just hung, him. You can go a few more years earlier in 1984 when General Zia sent his notorious lashkar led and supervised by no other than Brigadier Musharraf aka General Musharraf, the enlightened, the moderate. This proto-Talibanic lashkar not just burnt alive hundreds of the Shias of Gilgit, it burnt alive the animals too owned by the Shias. Of course, this can be justified because those animals were not human, Muslim, or Pakistani.

Interesting so the author of the article is saying that common man in Sialkot is == to Taliban. The lynching was carried by common abdul from the street. This only confirms that common man in Pakistan has already crossed the line and nothing can be done.

[Nandu]

From the pakteahouse posting.

"1984 when General Zia sent his notorious lashkar led and supervised by no other than Brigadier Musharraf aka General Musharraf, the enlightened, the moderate. This proto-Talibanic lashkar not just burnt alive hundreds of the Shias of Gilgit, it burnt alive the animals too owned by the Shias."

This is the operation in which Musharraf is supposed to have worked closely with Osama bin Laden. Are there more sources to corroborate this? We need enough credible sources for this to be added to the Military Career section of the wikipedia article on gola.

[hnair]

That is the thing. There is a rather mysterious dearth of information on musharaf's war crimes during his warlord days.

[A_Gupta]

Retired US Col W.P. Lang
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... idity.html

reproducing in full:

["By 2004, the US had filmed Pakistani army trucks delivering Taliban fighters at the Afghan border and recovering them a few days later; wireless monitoring at the US base at Bagram picked up Taliban commanders arranging with Pakistani army officers at the border for safe passage as they came in and out of Afghanistan. Western intelligence agencies concluded that the ISI was running a full training programme for the Afghan Taliban, turning a blind eye as they raised funds in the Gulf and allowing them to import materiel, mainly via Dubai. By 2005 the Taliban, with covert Pakistani support, were launching a full-scale assault on Nato troops in Afghanistan and being given covering fire as they returned to their bases in Pakistan.

At the same time, Taliban attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan intensified, beginning the process of turning the Afghan conflict, like that in Kashmir, into what it is today: an Indo-Pak proxy war. The Indian embassy in Kabul was twice bombed - in July 2008 and October 2009 - as were two city-centre hotels thought to have been used by the Research and Analysis Wing (Raw), the Indian intelligence agency. Seven Indian civilians and two Indian military officers died in the blasts." Dalrymple

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One can only ask - what the hell do we think we are playing at in AFPAK? We have known the Pakistanis were "two timing" us since 2004. Now lets see, which chapter in the COIN manual deals with this? pl

PS: the Dalrymple article:
http://www.newstatesman.com/asia/2010/0 ... fghanistan

[krisna]

Retired US Col W.P. Lang
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... idity.html

reproducing in full:

["By 2004, the US had filmed Pakistani army trucks delivering Taliban fighters at the Afghan border and recovering them a few days later; wireless monitoring at the US base at Bagram picked up Taliban commanders arranging with Pakistani army officers at the border for safe passage as they came in and out of Afghanistan. Western intelligence agencies concluded that the ISI was running a full training programme for the Afghan Taliban, turning a blind eye as they raised funds in the Gulf and allowing them to import materiel, mainly via Dubai. By 2005 the Taliban, with covert Pakistani support, were launching a full-scale assault on Nato troops in Afghanistan and being given covering fire as they returned to their bases in Pakistan.

At the same time, Taliban attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan intensified, beginning the process of turning the Afghan conflict, like that in Kashmir, into what it is today: an Indo-Pak proxy war. The Indian embassy in Kabul was twice bombed - in July 2008 and October 2009 - as were two city-centre hotels thought to have been used by the Research and Analysis Wing (Raw), the Indian intelligence agency. Seven Indian civilians and two Indian military officers died in the blasts." Dalrymple

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One can only ask - what the hell do we think we are playing at in AFPAK? We have known the Pakistanis were "two timing" us since 2004. Now lets see, which chapter in the COIN manual deals with this? pl

PS: the Dalrymple article:
http://www.newstatesman.com/asia/2010/0 ... fghanistan

The above article is good read posted in page 47 http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... start=1840

[Prem]

Still a failed state

Ahmed Rashid writes about The Anarchic Republic of Pakistan as amid the flooding the CIA resumes its drone campaign and Pakistan is to clamp down on Islamist militant charities while the Chinese give Military Assistance.
Maybe some humor is the only way to understand Pakistan.
Robber: “Give me all your money!”
Zardari: “Don’t you know who I am? I am Ass of Ali Zardari.”
Robber: “OK. Give me all my money”

http://www.metafilter.com/95103/Still-a-failed-state

[James B]

Pakistan's floods have left a country that's too difficult to rule - by Con Coughlin in Telegraph

In a country where most of the agricultural wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few feudal landlords, the misery being experienced by millions of dispossessed and impoverished citizens is inevitably going to stoke the fires of dissent. Atlaf Hussain, the exiled leader of the Muttahuda Quami Movement, articulated the suspicions of many Pakistanis when he accused some landlords of deliberately diverting the waters to neighbouring villages in order to protect their own crops and livestock. He is now demanding a French Revolution-style redistribution of land among the masses, and has issued a call to "patriotic generals" to fulfil their duty by establishing martial law.

However, what is different about this crisis is that, for once, the generals don't appear at all interested in taking responsibility for a country that is teetering on the verge of collapse.

[James B]

800000 in Pakistan Reachable Only by Air

I say, use the drones to reach them .

[James B]

Dying cattle scream for relief in flooded Pakistan

Pulling a goat by an ear while cuddling her toddler by the other hand, Janat Bibi made her way through knee-deep muddy water in the flooded rural area of Sukkur in southern Pakistan's Sindh province, screaming loud for veterinary care of her cattle as half a dozen frail water buffalos and cows limped behind her.

"Yes, there are doctors for humans but what about my ailing cattle," Bibi, 29, a mother of four children, fumed out concerns about her family's lifeline, the cattle, as livestock is not only food for Pakistanis but are money making machines. Over eight million small and landless farmers raise cattle as their only source of income in Pakistan.

[Gagan]

From the boston globe:

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[James B]

Purification of TSP from less pure Ahmadiyyas continues

When Habib Peer closed his Germantown newsstand last year and moved back to Pakistan, his passport made no note of his religion.

Since 1990 he had been a resident and citizen of the United States, where being an Ahmadiyya Muslim is no offense. But in his homeland, Peer's faith made him a target, his family said.

On Thursday, as he drove with a young nephew through the southern city of Sanghar, two motorbikes approached his car. One of the masked drivers fired a handgun twice through the open window, instantly killing the 60-year-old Peer.

[James B]

Anti-India mindset hurting Pak relief

The United Nations has appealed urgently for helicopters to reach tens of thousands of Pakistanis marooned by the calamitous floods while scores of choppers idle in Indian hangars in the face of Islamabad's reluctance to accept aid from New Delhi.

Amid reports that nearly 800,000 people stranded by the floods can now be reached only by air, the UN put out an SOS for choppers for a disaster that has markedly rendered Pakistan's fetish for F-16 fighter jets irrelevant. "We need at least 40 additional heavy-lift helicopters, working at full capacity, to reach the huge numbers of increasingly desperate people with life-saving relief," Marcus Prior of the World Food Program said in a statement.

India meantime is sitting on some 300 utility choppers spread across its air force, navy, coast guard and army without moving a muscle because of Pakistan's obvious reluctance to accept help from New Delhi. Even that acceptance came after pressure from the US and the international community that hinted that Pakistan could not expect the world to come to its assistance while it selectively spurned help from close quarters.

From when did CR become a WKK or is it just point scoring over Pakis.

[Prem]

U.S. to give more flood aid to Pakistan (Top U.S. aid official tours camp run by Islamist charity)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 02x4517043

The United States will divert $50 million from a development package for Pakistan towards relief funds, the top U.S. aid official said on Wednesday after touring a flood victims camp run by a charity with suspected links to a militant group on the U.S. terrorist list.Officials in Pakistan and its ally Washington are worried that militants could exploit the disorder caused by the floods, and the government's slow response, to gain recruits. The United States, eager to see stability in ally Pakistan, a frontline state in its war against militancy, has so far been the most generous donor. It has provided 25 percent of aid commitments and contributions, the U.N. said.
Let me be clear: This disaster represents a major logistics challenge. We are committed to supporting this significant relief effort as much as possible," U.S. Agency for International Development head Rajiv Shah told reporters.After touring a camp for flood victims set up in a school, Shah told a news conference that $50 million would be diverted from a five-year, $7.5 billion development package for Pakistan to help the flood relief effort.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SGE67O08A.htm

[James B]

Raja Murthy in Asian times wrote an entire article on Mango diplomacy between Gila-nahi and MMS.

Gilani sent the mangoes hours after Pakistan decided to accept India's helping hand, the fruity exchange serving reminders of how things are not always as bad as they appear to be, and life isn't always as bitter as it sometimes tastes. Like a cup of tea brewing good cheer, a mango offers goodwill and the truth that life, despite all that happened in the past, starts again afresh every moment, with this moment, now.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LH25Df03.html

[A_Gupta]

Dying cattle scream for relief in flooded Pakistan

Instead of sacrificing a goat or cow on Eid, the well-off Pakistanis should donate the animal to someone who has lost livestock.

[ramana]

Er need to remind CR and his master TOI that those helicopters are for Indian defence needs and not disaster relief for unwilling abduls.
One another note atleast they are getting daily bath instead of only Firdays.

[ramana]

Dying cattle scream for relief in flooded Pakistan

Instead of sacrificing a goat or cow on Eid, the well-off Pakistanis should donate the animal to someone who has lost livestock.

A-Gupta, Start a campaign on Facebook or some other place frequented by Paksi. Anyway its Ramzan month and there will be many goats sacrificed. Could be a good thing to donate them to the flood victims as livestock.

[James B]

Anjana Joshi donates $100,000 to help victims of the Pakistan floods

Shiv saar, another reason to talaq Anjana Joshi for the third time.

[James B]

Got this from twitter



Women activists of the Sindhi nationalist party, Awami Tehrik, guard their side of the embankment in Hyderabad's Sehrish nagar area.
Read story at: http://tribune.com.pk/story/41353/flood ... al-waters/

[KrishG]

Crossposting from BENIS:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B7ZmZCZJZAA/T ... 600/p1.jpg

I don't have a scanner so I uploaded a photo of my drawing.......

http://img843.imageshack.us/i/picture022oe.jpg/

[Virupaksha]

The Friendship Tunnel at Kohat on the Indus Highway has been closed now for almost two years because the Taliban took it over. That is why NATO trucks have been using the circuitous Rawalpindi-Peshawar route.

I thought that Kohat Tunnel was "retaken" and if I remember it right, the extra time for the circuitous route through the kohat pass was only half hour.

or did I miss some news?

[hnair]

Crossposting from BENIS:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B7ZmZCZJZAA/T ... 600/p1.jpg

I don't have a scanner so I uploaded a photo of my drawing.......

http://img843.imageshack.us/i/picture022oe.jpg/

Smashing KrishG, very good composition!! I think we can start off a weekly Friday cartoon strip in BENIS!

(I have another version of this same theme, will try to scan it up by today)

[Rudradev]

HNair, KrishG... nice work you guys! Keep 'em coming.

[James B]

Hnairgolis ji and KrishG - good work. Keep them coming regularly.

PS: Rudradevji I saw a post of yours some time ago mentioning about some animation on TSP perfidy?. Do you still need help?.

[Mahesh_R]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B7ZmZCZJZAA/T ... 600/p1.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/i/picture022oe.jpg/

Smashing KrishG, very good composition!! I think we can start off a weekly Friday cartoon strip in BENIS!

Guru's,

Can we try to comeup with a weekly report/magazine in the BR site where we can publish most important articles, both military and strategic issues for that week, cartoon corner(with so many experts in the group)...etc.

An idea sirji.....

[SSridhar]

Anti-India mindset hurting Pak relief

India meantime is sitting on some 300 utility choppers spread across its air force, navy, coast guard and army without moving a muscle because of Pakistan's obvious reluctance to accept help from New Delhi.

From when did CR become a WKK or is it just point scoring over Pakis.

I like the chanakianness.

[Raja Bose]

A old mujahid from Canada is collecting money for pakis by hiking Dont know how that helps
B.C. senior begins 'Grind' climbs for Pakistan

Well I guess as a young paki, when he used to extend the usual begging katora, goras used to tell him to "Take a hike!".

[Suppiah]

Nice cartoons mujahids...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... firing-680

BTW Gilgit joins the target killing fun party in TSP...


Sometimes i think we are fortunate to have a WKK govt in place because if jingos are in power, these animals gang up and go after us instead of killing each other...they do that even now, but their attention is diverted...one only hopes they dont run out of weapons..

[shiv]

I am amazed as how pakis are capable of impressing mango americans with their hospitality. Guess WKK also get affected with this bug once they come back from pure lands. There is something that needs to be looked into

The war on terror is not a war on Islam

.But I felt nothing but kindness as an American citizen. Everywhere I was treated as a welcome guest, and everyone I met seemed very comfortable with me as an American. The Pakistanis I encountered simply understood the difference between disliking a government policy and disliking an American citizen.

She lays it on pretty thick

A joyful man named “Salim” played music to ease my nerves as we outraced the Himalayas,

and

a newly burst damn (sic) had just rendered the road impassible,(sic)

and of course in Pakistan..

Willing hands everywhere helping an American woman to escape the flood.

[abhishek_sharma]

Report From a Pashtun Teen: The Flood

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0 ... the-flood/

some WKK-ism

[Johann]

The Anarchic Republic of Pakistan
http://nationalinterest.org/article/ana ... istan-3917

What an amazing article. Why has he written it?

Shiv, if you know Ahmed Rashid's personal history you'd hardly be surprised by its tone. This is after all a man from a privileged Pakjabi background who took up arms against the Pakistani Army - that puts him in a rather special category.

The "London Group" was formed in the late 1960s and early 1970s - leftist student intellectuals studying in Britain who wanted a revolutionary movement in Pakistan to cut the army down to size and re-orient development towards social justice. They chose to begin by joining the Baloch resistance. Ahmed Rashid, Tariq Ali, Najam Sethi, etc were all part of this group. They took on aliases, learned Balochi, and fought a guerilla campaign based on their understanding of Che, Fanon, Debray, etc, ambushing Pakistani Army patrols and raiding outposts. Rashid was not the most accomplished of the group when it came to his soldiering skills, but no one accused him of chickening out.

When Zia ul-Haq chose to try to end Bhutto's war with the Baloch war by declaring a ceasefire and issuing an amnesty, some of the Baloch and the London Group chose to go in to exile in to Daud's Afghanistan - Ahmed Rashid was amongst them, and this was the source of his access and his knowledge of Afghanistan's political scene.

Rashid is no longer much of a Marxist, but he's secular enough to hate and fear the Taliban, and he continues to loathe the Pakistan Army and its deformation of Pakistani society. He is one of the few Pakistanis who rejoiced to see the Taliban thrown out of power in Afghanistan in 2001, but for the last few years (see "Descent in to Chaos") he's been dreading the possibility that the PA with dishonesty and greed is going to pave the way for a Taliban takeover of Pakistan. He has been consistent in his message that the US ought not to strengthen the PA when attempting to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda. It is a pity that more Americans did not listen more carefully to him.

Tariq Ali, who returned to London incidentally can't stand Ahmed Rashid. Ali has remained a Chomskyish Marxist and sees his former comrade Rashid as a cheerleader for imperialist intervention. Rashid on the other hand actually lives in Lahore - I think he'd welcome the devil if it meant keeping the Taliban out.

[svinayak]

http://worldmeets.us/paktribune000034.shtml

Pak Tribune, Pakistan
'No Doubt' India and U.S. are Behind Pakistan Flood Disaster

Could it be that India - with American backing and Afghan connivance - has engineered the worst flooding in Pakistan's history? And to what end? Call it a conspiracy theory or call it an analysis, but columnist Ahmed Quraishi of Pakistan's Pak Tribune outlines how India, by opening up dams it controls up-river from Pakistan, is the cause of flooding that has affected up to 20 million Pakistanis and covered almost a fifth of the country.

By Ahmed Quraishi

August 17, 2010

Pakistan - Pak Tribune - Original Article (English)

Map of dams included in the Indus Waters Treaty, a water-sharing agreement between India and Pakistan, brokered by the World Bank. Signed in 1960, the treaty was a result of Pakistani fear that since the source rivers of the Indus basin were in India, it could potentially create droughts and famines in Pakistan, especially at times of war.

AL-JAZEERA NEWS VIDEO: Was the partition of India and Pakistan 'worth it'?, August 21, 00:22:22
There is a very sinister aspect to the flooding in Pakistan that no one in the media is discussing. While there were rains and flooding in some rivers of the country, the size, scale and gush of water suddenly pumped into these rivers defies logic. This is especially true considering that rains have slowed down since the breakout of the floods on July 29.

[shiv]

Ah - thanks for the background info Johann. I have seen Tariq Ali on Channel 4 for years. Didn't know Ahmed Rashid was from the same stable - or even Najam sethi.

[shiv]

Report From a Pashtun Teen: The Flood

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0 ... the-flood/

I want aid organizations and workers to come here (instead of sending their money) to help us clean our streets with the modern technological devices we lack.

Surely a country that makes nuclear weapons, missiles and fourth generation aircraft can make a few earth movers? Why beg?

[Anujan]

Well, I cant draw as well as you guys. Nevertheless, here is my attempt:

[Prem]

Swollen rivers force Pakistanis to use zip line
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... e-zip-line
( Watch the Video in the link to see pure TFTA Paki looking like Northern Europeans)

MINGORA, Pakistan –When the floods hit the Swat Valley four weeks ago, nearly every bridge was wiped out and miles of mountainside roads crumbled into the raging water.Hundreds of thousands of people have now been cut off from the rest of the country, but they are still crossing the rivers, slowly and sometimes dangerously.Flood victims use a cable car on a river as they transport food to their camps in Matta, a region of Swat Valley in northern Pakistan on Aug. 11.In the town of Mingora, we found a booming raft business. The boats are crudely strung together with planks of wood and inflatable tubes. They don’t look like they could pass a safety test in a swimming pool, let alone crossing the fast-moving Swat River.But about 1,000 people a day still wait in line, pay 20 rupees (about 40 cents) and stack everything they can on board until the planks buckle and the rafts sink low in the water.
The Pakistani military is overseeing the crossing. They picked the location because they said it was the shortest and calmest crossing. But looking out across the river “short and calm” are not the first adjectives to come to mind.

[Prem]

Well, I cant draw as well as you guys. Nevertheless, here is my attempt:
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Its perfect picturization of Poak Loak Roach Looty and Booty. Where is Groopy Gillani Gone?

[svinayak]

There is army boat

[svinayak]

Lal Pir power generating station is submerged in flood waters, further increasing a power crisis in Muzaffargarh near Multan, Pakistan on Aug. 19. Islamist terrorists may exploit the chaos and misery caused by the floods in Pakistan to gain new recruits, the country's president said.

[Ambar]

Boy! The image above looks pretty bad..i cant spot a single house/road that is still above the water. After the water recedes the poor are gonna have another problem - severely weakened structures that might come crashing on their head without warning..