Aircraft Recognition

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 03 Oct 2010 04:46

Soko G4 Super Galeb trainer of Myanmar Air Force was used to bomb Karen tribes. Now replaced by Chinese Hongdu K8 (same as paki Karakoram) trainer.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 03 Oct 2010 05:10

Argentinian IA-58 Pucara close air support plane of Sri Lanka Air Force was used against LTTE.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Oct 2010 06:02

Kersi D wrote:Shiv,

I remember on more delta wing, the Gloster Javelin.

Brilliant

I had forgotten that one. If you look back at the post WW2 period Britain produced so many aircrfat - but the Britiesh Aerospace industry no longer comes up with so many designs. Heck the aerospace industry of the entire world produce fewer new designs than the Brits of the US of that era.

Gloster Javelin

Remember the Handle Page Victor bomber that became a refueller by the Falklands war era?

This is the V-series bomber trio - Valiant, Victor and Vulcan

Blackburn (Hawker Siddeley) Buccaneer

Hawker Hunter

Hawker Sea Hawk

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Oct 2010 06:22

Other classic carrier based aircraft

Mc Donnell F 4 Phantom II

Breguet Alize: This was a 3 seater

Dassault Etendard - these may still be in service - not sure

Douglas A4 Skyhawk. This was the only other fighter (before the harrier) that the Vikrant could have operated. It is American and i don't think it was offered at all

Grumman Intruder

I post this as a curiosity - the Grumman Panther. This shipborne aircraft was featured in the Korean war film "Bridges at Toko-ri". I was a little boy when I saw it and the movie was already old but I recall repeated scenes of these aircraft trying to bomb some bridges. I remember this movie in the era of PGMs when just one bomb should do the trick. It was years before I discovered what aircraft were featured in the film
Grumman Panther

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 03 Oct 2010 06:41

F-105 Thunderchief

F-104 Starfighter

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 03 Oct 2010 10:10

Can we start similar thread/Sticky for land warfare Systems to document Armoured/Artillery vehicles, tanks, self-propelled/towed guns etc.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 03 Oct 2010 14:21

dinesha wrote:Can we start similar thread/Sticky for land warfare Systems to document Armoured/Artillery vehicles, tanks, self-propelled/towed guns etc.

Very Good Idea.

But let us also continue this thread for transports, helicopter and UAVs

Kersi

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 03 Oct 2010 14:31

Victor wrote: Soko G4 Super Galeb trainer of Myanmar Air Force was used to bomb Karen tribes. Now replaced by Chinese Hongdu K8 (same as paki Karakoram) trainer.

There was also an aircrfat called Soko Jastreb. Any pics ?

Kersi

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 03 Oct 2010 14:53

Kersi D wrote: There was also an aircrfat called Soko Jastreb. Any pics ?

Kersi

Sir, are these it???

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 03 Oct 2010 22:08

Lockheed XFV1 VTOL fighter.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 03 Oct 2010 23:08

shiv wrote:Other classic carrier based aircraft

Douglas A4 Skyhawk. This was the only other fighter (before the harrier) that the Vikrant could have operated. It is American and i don't think it was offered at all

My thinking is different. I think it was offered to India or IN wanted it. But the existing (short stroke) catapult would have to be replaced with another one. UK refused to make the changes to make sure that we buy the Seahawks only.

Kersi

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 04 Oct 2010 01:39

shiv wrote:Yes the J-10 has some heavy Lavi inputs.

The Israelis left behind at least one complete Lavi (sans engine) and 2-3 in
varying degrees of disassembly. These machines were thereafter cloned.

S_Prasad · Post by **S_Prasad** » 04 Oct 2010 03:34

Since you guys missed it.......Here's something from HAL's stable .

S_Prasad · Post by **S_Prasad** » 04 Oct 2010 03:37

Some more from the x series.

F-16 -delta wing.

Comparision of the two.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 04 Oct 2010 08:48

This Israeli Jet Commander was used to test MiG-21 radars, probably for the Bison.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 04 Oct 2010 09:21

Fairchild Republic T-46 Eaglet, aka the "Thunder Piglet", was supposed to replace the T-37 "Tweet" but was overweight and had too much drag. It was cancelled in 1987 and that was the end of the Republic name which shut its doors after this. The renamed Fairchild Aerospace went on to design the A-10 Warthog (Thunderbolt II) and later bought Dornier but was itself purchased by M7 Aerospace.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 04 Oct 2010 12:31

Airavat (H-2176)

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 04 Oct 2010 13:22

One more Airavat Image:

Does anyone know what happened to the prototype ?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 04 Oct 2010 13:46

smpratik wrote:One more Airavat Image:

Does anyone know what happened to the prototype ?

smpratikji,
you asking about Airavat prototype??? If so, the prototype crashed during a test flight near arakonam with all hands lost...

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 04 Oct 2010 18:23

@Mr Bala Vignesh
Oh right, thanks !

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 04 Oct 2010 19:12

have some nice spitfire photos of my own -how do i post them here guys ?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 04 Oct 2010 19:22

Shankar, upload them on to imageshack or photobucket and then link them here using the normal img tags.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 04 Oct 2010 23:03

Victor wrote:
This Israeli Jet Commander was used to test MiG-21 radars, probably for the Bison.

It may be for the Lancer program where Israel modified the Romaninan MiG 21s. The IAF MiG 21 modification was done by Russia with the Kopyo radar

Kersi

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 05 Oct 2010 00:36

LIGHT ATTACK/ RECONNAISSANCE ATTACK HELICOPTERS

USA
OH 58 Kiowa Warrior

AH-6 Little Bird

India
WSI Dhruv

HAL Lancer

I know there are more, but then, the line is thin between an armed utility heli and a light attack/reconnaissance attack heli. Kindly add the appropriate ones. I am unable to decide what all to include

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 05 Oct 2010 07:01

Kersi D wrote: It may be for the Lancer program where Israel modified the Romaninan MiG 21s. The IAF MiG 21 modification was done by Russia with the Kopyo radar

Kersi

Oops. My bad. Still, interesting jugaad.

S_Prasad · Post by **S_Prasad** » 05 Oct 2010 07:18

Even though i am not a big fan of US aircraft, I would love to have this with the IAF for close air support to the IA.
The A 10 warthog

S_Prasad · Post by **S_Prasad** » 05 Oct 2010 07:26

Denel AH-2 Rooivalk South African Airforce.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Oct 2010 09:13

Mi-34

Aerocopter Sanka 2

Enstrom Helicopter

Fairchild-Hiller FH 1100

MD 500

MD Explorer

Robinson R 22

Rotorway Exec

Schweizer S 300

PZL SW4 (Poland)

Eurocopter Fennec

shanksinha · Post by **shanksinha** » 05 Oct 2010 14:30

Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne-was developed for deployment in Vietnam but AH-1 Cobra was selected instead. Later the program was used to develop the AH-64 Apache, Never saw service.

When I first saw our own LCH hovering it reminded me of this one (I know they look very different), guess it was them huge canopies.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Oct 2010 16:52

See how similar these 2 are at first glance. Easy to mistake one for the other.
Mi-34

PZL SW4 (Poland)

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 06 Oct 2010 07:36

Shiv, those two helicopters look completely different. Perhaps you meant to post another pic?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Oct 2010 08:44

nachiket wrote:Shiv, those two helicopters look completely different. Perhaps you meant to post another pic?

Nachiket it is easy to say that when you have two photographs in front of you are are already an expert. But when you see one fly by and manage a look at it for just 2 seconds (such as near an airport when you are in a foreign country or in the movies) it is far more difficult to say "Hey that was a Russian Mi 34 and not a Polish SW4". Both helos have enough general similarities for one to need to distinguish finer points. That is what aircraft recognition is all about

If you get a half second peek between clouds it is sometimes difficult to distinguish a Mirage 2000 from an LCA. Anyone who does plane spotting will know what I mean. I am sure you understand that. It is a long process to reach the stage when you can do that from the stage of a golfer in Bangalore looking at a Jaguar taking off from HAL and saying "Look at that Raptor taking off"

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 06 Oct 2010 08:58

Maybe you are right. From a different angle there could be similarities. I could find very few from those two pics.
Totally agree about the Mirage-2000 and LCA part though.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Oct 2010 10:24

Here are two more that would be difficult to tell apart for the casual observer unless he has trained himself to observe minor differences other than broad shapes. Rotor blade numbers can generally be assesses in a photo - but more difficult in live observation.

shiv wrote: Aerocopter Sanka 2

Schweizer S 300

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Oct 2010 10:28

nachiket wrote:Maybe you are right. From a different angle there could be similarities. I could find very few from those two pics.
Totally agree about the Mirage-2000 and LCA part though.

Very often in Bangalore - you catch a "flash glimpse" of an LCA (or a Mirage) as it flashes past between a gap in trees or clouds. You have to "photograph" that image in your mind and then ask whether it had any Mirage features or LCA features.

The amazing thing is when a Jaguar is taking off - at some angle it looks just like an HF 24. Only context and prior knowledge would make one know the difference.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 06 Oct 2010 11:33

shiv wrote:
nachiket wrote:Shiv, those two helicopters look completely different. Perhaps you meant to post another pic?
Nachiket it is easy to say that when you have two photographs in front of you are are already an expert. But when you see one fly by and manage a look at it for just 2 seconds (such as near an airport when you are in a foreign country or in the movies) it is far more difficult to say "Hey that was a Russian Mi 34 and not a Polish SW4". Both helos have enough general similarities for one to need to distinguish finer points. That is what aircraft recognition is all about

Shiv,

All light helicopters look the same to me !!!

Kersi

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 06 Oct 2010 22:37

shiv wrote:The amazing thing is when a Jaguar is taking off - at some angle it looks just like an HF 24. Only context and prior knowledge would make one know the difference.

You make a good point. It is true for many mordern fighters too. This one looks like a MiG 29 to a non expert. But it isn't.

Looking up at a high flying F-18 sometimes also looks like an F-16 due to similar overall design. (Not details)

nikhil_p · Post by **nikhil_p** » 06 Oct 2010 23:38

The Percival Jet Prevost...strikingly similar to the HAL Kiran. In fact, I remember reading a book where it was mentioned that the design was bought from Precival. Guru log please confirm...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Oct 2010 06:11

nikhil_p wrote:The Percival Jet Prevost...strikingly similar to the HAL Kiran. In fact, I remember reading a book where it was mentioned that the design was bought from Precival. Guru log please confirm...

Well blow mw down. I had never noticed the similarity before..

Hunting Jet Provost

Kiran

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 07 Oct 2010 11:09

shiv wrote:
nikhil_p wrote:The Percival Jet Prevost...strikingly similar to the HAL Kiran. In fact, I remember reading a book where it was mentioned that the design was bought from Precival. Guru log please confirm...

Well blow mw down. I had never noticed the similarity before..

Hunting Jet Provost

Kiran

The similarity is amazing.

Me thinks that the Precival Provost became the BAC 167 Strikemaster and it finally evolved into the Hawk. Gurus, please comment / correct.

Kersi