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The amount of 'dhoti shivering' about a statement issued by two 'momeens'—one whose 'mush was handed over by chappal-wearing Houthis,' and the other who basically had their entire air force grounded after fewer than 30 vectors were fired by the IAF—and who on average loses 10-20 soldiers daily by TTP/BLA is astounding.
It's actually .
The official mea statement clearly shows India is unimpressed and yawning at all that .
Raheel shariff has been in ksa for the last 8 years and is herding the yaks there . Proved completely ineffective clearly . This "deal" likely secures a post retirement gig for munirwa .
Le Saudis are clearly scared of something that is not yet fully out in public, its most likely a mix of Israeli action in Qatar, Iranian progress in enrichment, unpredictability of DJT.
Adding Saudis to the equation does nothing in propping up the capabilities of the Pakis who were just thoroughly pummeled. Pakis as usual can use this as a victory. No one, except the delusional abduls on X will expect Saudis to move in against India in case of a Kinetic war.
Even if they do, with what? They spent the past few years applying balm on their backsides after repeatedly whipped by the Houthis..
This is most likely a cover for a false flag operation whose blame will fall on Houthis and a ground offensive against Yemen with Pakis making up the tip of the spear. After the war, whatever the outcome, they will be paid and then asked to leave..
Pakis can then fulfil their destiny of being the most experienced Condom nation in the world..
What are the Saudis scared of . It's the largest Islamic country that's against Muslim brotherhood. ie their government. Are they scared of an Arab spring type uprising ? So porkis are asked to do chowkidari ?
Whatever it is that the Saudis want, they better get the best out of the deal immediately.
Invoke the mutual defence clause for their needs, before the Pakis do..
Also, am sure they have worked enough loopholes into the treaty (By dangling cash infront of the Failed Marshal) to give themselves room to wiggle out of a potential showdown against India.
sudhan wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 20:17
Whatever it is that the Saudis want, they better get the best out of the deal immediately.
Invoke the mutual defence clause for their needs, before the Pakis do..
Also, am sure they have worked enough loopholes into the treaty (By dangling cash infront of the Failed Marshal) to give themselves room to wiggle out of a potential showdown against India.
Islamic culture - treaties don't matter. They will do what they need to preserve themselves when the time comes. Treaties are pieces of paper for posturing and to bide time. So don't think these treaties mean anything like how our IFS babus treat them. That is one of the problem we have we think things like Simla agreement mean something for the Pakis. So in this case both parties know that they will run away when the rubber hits the road
gakakkad wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 20:10
What are the Saudis scared of . It's the largest Islamic country that's against Muslim brotherhood. ie their government. Are they scared of an Arab spring type uprising ? So porkis are asked to do chowkidari ?
they need some cannon fodder.. border with yemen etc will be warming up soon
As mentioned by another BRite above, India doesn't have anything to worry about the Saudis attacking India on behalf of the pukis if you observed the fighting capabilities of the Saudis over decades, especially during the two gulf wars, where the Americans repeatedly had to go in and rescue the Saudis against the Iraqis. This was after decades of comprehensive training and equipping by the West, especially the Americans.
The Saudis are just asking TSP to give them back their maal and they are formalizing it through an agreement.
The Saudis have a disproportionate influence over TSP which neither the US nor China has.
It is not like 25 years before in the relations between India & KSA. King Fahd, Prince Sultan (defence minister) and Prince Saud Al-Faisal (foreign minister) who shaped the foreign policy for much of those days are no longer there. This triumvirate was decidedly anti-Indian. King Abdullah who took over after Fahd and whom many expected to be even more hawkish, turned out to be otherwise. He quietly changed the India-Saudi narrative. MBS who is ruling on behalf of King Salman (probably the last of the Sudairi Seven) has taken it to a different level.
The Saudis had pursued the nuke ambition for too long. They didn't get the earlier liquid-fuelled Chinese missiles (replaced later with DF-21s) for nothing. They had always feared the Iranians. The Chinese-mediated thaw in the KSA-Iran relationship can never diminish the deep-seated animosity. The Saudis fear the Iranians even more today with their proxies, the Houthis, at the Saudi border. They recruited Gen Rahil Sharif to lead the Muslim Forces Against Terrorism (IMFAT) but it came a cropper. No Arab of GCC nations can fight. Now, they are not sure that Iran's nuke-making capacity has been totally wiped out in the B2 bombing. They are more than skeptical that with Trump around, the US would even stop an Iranian nuclear attack.
While the Saudi-fear of Iran is one reason, they also do not want to be bombed by Israel like in Qatar. That will severely dent the image of the Al-Saud dynasty. MBS has too many enemies, not the least the Wahhabi religious clerics who have been utterly disempowered. The oil-bearing and oil-refining East Coast (Dhahran, Jubail et al) have very sizeable Shia population (extending all the way along the coast from Kuwait to Qatar) who have always been very angry with the Al-Saud dynasty. Since the siege of Makkah in 1979, the Pakistani military protects the Al Yamamh palace in Riyadh.
IMO, this is neither a China-mediated nor a US-mediated deal. It is organic. I am not sure if this is even a well thought out agreement. Looks more like a knee-jerk reaction. MBS is quite impulsive. That clause, 'against one is against both' is in a different context and exceptions cannot be listed in the agreement.
IMO, this is not so bothersome for us though we need to engage the Saudis on this issue and be on our guard.
So the question is will the TFTA fauj be deployed for good in KSA and will that leave a sufficient gap for us to exploit for our needs - I would rather that their best earn good riyals while allowing us the latitude to do as we please
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