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In this era of SM logic has no place.

Simple as that.

Guys like Nadda need to be aware of that. He is no one in the bigger picture.

On the flip side he could be replaced. Soon.
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NRao wrote: 06 Jun 2024 09:03
What the heck was EC doing? What the heck was BJP doing? Common, this is bull $hit of the highest order. Congress should have been disbarred right away from contesting elections.
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Nadda is worst kind of sycophant. He fetches zero value to MoSha. He never does anything harmful to MoSha's enemies. Please remove him from every influential positions.

My final observations V45.0:

1. Congress completely sold out to M community. It's new Muslim league for real now.

2. Cong+ used technology and created many fake videos to influence voters. It succeed in it.

3. Cong+ used PM speeches and gaslighted the average voter there. The voters never thought their little deviation would impact the bigger picture this much. They thought they can earn a bit on side while BJP comfortably winning in more than 300 seats.

4. Petty local leaders. Credit goes to disha ji and others for pointing it out. The internal sabotage happened at local level leaders. They wanted to teach BJP a big lesson. They worked against party without raising any alarm. The party leaders didn't notice it till the last moment.
sanman wrote: 05 Jun 2024 02:28 Yogi is not suitable for national leadership. He's too headstrong. He's too religious.

Under him, he would go full theocratic and open up all sorts of fissures beyond cow belt that would isolate BJP.

He's not the kind of guy who can run a coalition. He would be completely incapable of that.

He's also a micro-manager rather than a delegator, and that can't be done for a nation as large as India.
He is running UP pretty good. That is more than enough to run the central government. The requirement is to direct the baboos to do the jobs. He is perfect guy for the job. As for reforms and ideas, he can always fall back to Sangh advisors for advice.
We put none of this criteria for cong+ PM candidates. But put too many standards for BJP guy. This approach hurting our chances big time.
dsreedhar wrote: 05 Jun 2024 20:26 That's interesting. One of my college friends precisely predicted 240 seats for BJP. He was correct on KA and TG election results and numbers. He is a big time Congress supporter and also very good at numbers and stats.
It's baffling that they are getting these numbers correct. BJP needs to counter this machinery on war footing. Opposition target is not to win 300 seats. They just want to restrict Modiji below 270. They succeeded now. Very dangerous development.
Sachin wrote: 05 Jun 2024 21:48 +1. There is a reason by the Nehru-Ghandi rascals name any thing and every thing as some kind of Indira, Nehru, Rajiv schemes. The names are perpetually etched in the memories. Indian people are repeatedly drilled to believe that every thing came from Nehru-Ghandi gang. It is very similar of the Royalty of UK, who had their King's Own & Queen's own gimmicks.
They even conditioned the public to this naming scheme. Narendra Modi stadium gets all kinds of criticism in the elite crowd. But we rarely see any criticism for Gandhi names. The branding is so perfect. Even BJP leaders have no choice but to talk about Gandhi name in reverence. So many daily life common things that give passive reputation boost to congis.
Arima wrote: 05 Jun 2024 23:10 this looks much more complex topic, all talk of constitution will be changed, reservation loss is well directed at SC/ST and OBC population.
BJP should have countered it strongly the moment Raul started roaming around and giving press conference with Constitution hand book.
That's the thing, right? All these things are not talked in public rallies or press conferences. Pappu did here and there. We didn't take him seriously. But the real campaign happened through their own information network. They circulated many fake videos to demonize MoSha. It's too late for BJP to counter it. They arrested the video creator very late.
in near term census is going to be nemesis for Modi 3 govt.
opposition will ask for full caste census now which will open 90s mandal game all over again.
lot many may not realize SC/ST limit of 22.5% is 70s number and actual number is way to high. may be 26-28% i dont know. they need that much percent seats in Parliament and in all jobs, govt schemes.
throw in OBC based caste census, again number is much wider. reservation limit of 22.5 + 27% will be challenged by protests and battles on street.
:((
I don't think this reservation talk has much appeal among much larger population. The original caste census happened in Bihar. If this has larger appeal, they would have won Bihar very comfortably. It didn't happen.
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all the reasons like temperature, low voter turnout, leftwing youtubers etc are not the reason for failure of modi not passing even halfway mark. i think only two are the reason
1) Modi thought "eak hat me quran aur dosre me computer" will soften the Muslim. he thought silent appeasement would be noticed by the Muslim and last minute push of pasmanda will help him. what happened was a Muslim is Muslim first and then the rest. as per Arnab 72% of Muslims voted for congress rest to there parties with only <6% to NDA.
This is evident from the loss of Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury to an outsider or azaruddin wining from UP.

2) blame it on us. we Hindus. we could not unite more than that we ran after free bees thrown at us by congress like a hungry street dogs. what else will you give reason for loss of smriti and win of congress in rai bareli.
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venkat_kv wrote: 06 Jun 2024 08:58 This is quite the find. The telangana congress for the vidhan sabha elections 6 months ago also predicted their number correctly. It could probably mean that Congress strategist Sunil kanugaolu guy is able to accurately get his models to work correctly and voter targeting done with it. After Karnataka electiosn i think there was an article that said that he was very very meticulous when it came to settings narratives and then sending targeted info to the concerned group (a la cambridge analytica was the thought that came to my mind when reading that article).

maybe BJP needs to refresh the election strategist and need to take some external help rather than running all of it inhouse?
It's no prediction. They are feeding that info to the disgruntled Modi haters. They in return spreading it in their friends and family circles. I got so many wa forwards about EVM hacking before the election.

Also another important thing here is, congi+ failed in this election even after they employed every tool in the shed. They targeted more than just few segments in UP. Their target was the whole hindi belt. But it got traction only in few limited seats in UP.

It's a big fail for the agency which engineered this whole thing. :wink:
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Global Times
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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi claimed victory for a third term, but it seems more like a loss. Once Modi becomes weak, Washington may reassess his long-term value. This election marks a turning point for Modi from being strong to weak: Media Professional Hu Xijin #HuSays
Ideally, the weaker PM Modi is more suitable for chinese interests. Perfect opportunity for Xi to add our PM to their small group.
'Xi, Putin and Modi' will sound much nicer slogan than just 'Xi and Putin'. And what's more. They can score big narrative points if big democracy like India sides with them. :D

Now Washington will be more relentless in their attack on Modi. Every DC action can be used to create serious rift in US and India relations.

p.s. missing chola ji big time. wish he is active again now.
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^^^^^

Will Bharat, not Modi, be "relentless", in attacking the US?
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I have anther question.

1) Rahul Gandhi is mentioning only Adani Name in the last 3 months- no mention of Ambani

2) In the last 2 years GOI has taxed the Windfall gains of refiners on export Revenue and we are probably the only nation in our immediate neighbored which has not a spike in prices.
I.N.D.I alliance people seen with.

Did Ambani and Jio network did something in Purvanchal?
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@NRao ji
Modiji always puts Bharat's interests above his personal preferences. I don't see any action from Modiji in this regard. Cuz it will hurt our economy.

Only way it can happen is if Xi hard bargains with Modiji with development aid and counter this US leverage. It won't happen even in our dreams. CCP has very paki mindset. They really hate India more than US hates us.

Wish they ditch this 'counter India with Pakis' doctrine. Why everyone thinks that's the only way to handle India? Actual friendship with Indians works too. Look at Indian - Russian relations. Or India - Israel relations. Or to some extent, India- Iran relations. Even Saudis also trying this friendship approach.
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Missed it in my earlier long whine/post. This time around Congress had a very slick social media mechanism rolled out. Twitter was pretty much hijacked by INC handles. In fact social media was once sighted as the reason of thumping BJP victory in 2014 and 2019. Mauni Baba had his corruption scandals and INC did not have much social media presence. BJP utilized the social media to the hilt. But that same gusto was not seen this time. We must also know that; 25-30 years old who got influenced via social media of 2014 would now be 35-40 years old. What social media campaign worked in 2014 may now work now (example; Facebook is irrelevant now, Instagram is the in-thing).

All put down; BJP did not have a well thought out plan to face 2024 elections. Over confidence, too much reliance on Modi all took them down. As I said earlier, in places where BJP took a drubbing (KA) or was eager to make a strong push (AP, Orissa) they did a jolly good job.

If BJP needs to be in a strong position; I feel they should have a very good plan to:-
1. Handle demands of reservations (example; retain it, but make sure that only Hindu SC/ST are eligible, converts and religion wise reservation not allowed).
2. Alleviate fears of forward caste Hindus, or think about tax reductions for the huge Hindu middle class.
3. May sound evil; but come up with schemes which target Hindu poor, Hindu SC/ST communities and then Hindu middle class. This will help the United Specturm of Hindu votes to come back.
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Pratyush wrote: 06 Jun 2024 09:20 ^^^

I see the validity of the argument being made by Hanumandu. However, the point is, do the people on the ground see it?

If yes, then the attempt at taquia has failed. As the enemy would understand it as well.

If not, then you have failed totally and alienated one of the strongest force multipliers that you can have.
It doesn't matter if the enemy can see it. It is a rhetorical point just like pakistan is a democracy, just like the US promotes democracy around the world, just like china's claims of peaceful rise. The BJP and RSS can claim that RSS is solely a cultural organisation and not political.

As for if the people of RSS know about it, they should be told about it. How does the mullahs and padres tell who to vote for? Surely, RSS can communicate the finer point among its cadres.
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The social media campaign is also due to the fact that the social media warriors of Congress were not afraid even to go to jail knowing very well that the party would support and reward such a thing. Contrast to BJP, no Arrest were made for social media post and no support to arrested BJP workers. Heck Karnataka police even filed FIR against Amit Malviya. The BJP has become an AC room party not fit for street fight and this might be the very much needed wale up call.
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Jay wrote: 06 Jun 2024 05:30
Vayutuvan wrote: 06 Jun 2024 03:52 The Jaipur Dialogues

Sources say TDP is negotiating for the position of Speaker, Education Ministry, Health Ministry & MOS for Finance.

Tough times for Modiji and Amit Shah in the negotiations phase!
If those are the starting positions for TDP, then it’s not a bad deal. I don’t mind Modi/Shah to get their elbows greasy if they have to.
Jay ji, how can one whittle it down to a lone MoS? You were willing to give that. I think CBN would be able to drive a hard bargain. Fellow is somewhat ambitious. Let us see whether Gujarati business acumen is up to Kuppam factionist ego.
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The firsts to wish Narendra Modi:

Mauritius-1st country to congratulate
Sri Lanka-1st to confirm presence at Modi oath taking
Singapore-1st country in ASEAN to congratulate
Russia-1st P5 leader to call & congratulate
France-1st P5 leader to congratulate
Italy-1st Western/G7 leader to congratulate
Barbados-1st in Caribbean to congratulate
Nigeria-1st in African nation to congratulate
Israel-1st in West Asia tho Iran wished mere 10 min later
Denmark-1st in Nordics
Lithuania-1st in Baltics

Canada - Did not surprise - reminded of "rule of Law" :rotfl:

(Several Hotels Booked in Delhi for Foreign Guests Attending Modi's Inauguration Later This Weekend --
USA's delegation being worked out - not announced publicly yet .. US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan to travel to Delhi this weekend)
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^^^Exaxcly Sachinji
Mandal Plus Kamandal
Also:
1.Protect and promote Rightwingers on SM
2. Counter aggressively the Congi promise of Khata Khat (can they be taken to court or ECI compliant for monetary inducemnt of voters)
May I ask the forum members where did this 2/3rd majority needed to change constitution come from??
If its one of the candidate then the candidate selection should be more robust or they need to be given a short course of public utterances.
Sometimes the delay in taking action of people who needed to be censored or sacked is also hurting : two examples
a. The lady from Malegoan blast case, an ealier censure for public utterances
b. Wrestling Federation chief should have sacked ( one hand we have ladli behana/ naari shakti and on the other hand an alleged sexual predator being protected at least that is the perception)
Not aggressively protecting Nupur and letting SC to cesure her ridiculous when the same can be uttered by a momin and all is fine (having said she could have nuaced her words better, it came out as very crude and unpalatable)
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Neha Dixit
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Amazon India Warehouse workers battling intense heat. Workers forced to work in intense heat without bathroom or water breaks to meet targets.

Amazon Indian Workers Association (AIWA) writes to Ministry of Labour to seek immediate action. No response yet.
Things like this which will destroy positive reputation of Modiji among working class. Modiji haters among these workers group will redirect the hate toward Modiji for lack of action.
Local Amazon is probably run by congi loyalists. But the anger will be never directed toward this management.

Cong+ ecosystem quietly slipping into these cracks and chipping away the working class hero appeal of Modiji.
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Amberji
I was at a teaching course:(before the elections)
the faculty included people from across the seven seas.
two of our owm very vociferous and downgrading NaMo and BJP. A couple of neghbnourly folks chipped in saying how dangerous it would be if both Trump and Modi win together!!
The only support I had was from two Nigerain folks who said no the South should stick together and stand against old colonial masters!!
There is lot of goodwill amongst the African folks and we need to build that up and not spoil it with any local racist attacks etc.
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syam wrote: 06 Jun 2024 10:25
Global Times
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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi claimed victory for a third term, but it seems more like a loss. Once Modi becomes weak, Washington may reassess his long-term value. This election marks a turning point for Modi from being strong to weak: Media Professional Hu Xijin #HuSays
Ideally, the weaker PM Modi is more suitable for chinese interests. Perfect opportunity for Xi to add our PM to their small group.
'Xi, Putin and Modi' will sound much nicer slogan than just 'Xi and Putin'. And what's more. They can score big narrative points if big democracy like India sides with them. :D

Now Washington will be more relentless in their attack on Modi. Every DC action can be used to create serious rift in US and India relations.

p.s. missing chola ji big time. wish he is active again now.
I 500% agree. Modi can never be as strong as emperor eleven who won 3500 of the 2,977 seats in national People's Congress
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For the fun of it. In Hindi

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***X-posting from another thread***

Politics is about rewarding friends & punishing enemies

This simple fact has been lost upon Modi Ji for 10 years. By now, he should have stuffed 10s of Lakhs of Government jobs with pro-Hindu/pro-Indic folks, RSS people etc. Instead he proudly displays a report card which shows Muslims having gotten a disproportionate # of Govt jobs

The stats will shock you: Under Congress, 3% of Muslims were Govt employed. Under 10 years of Modi, that number is 10%

We have had Brahmins in Ayodhya & other places begging for compensation for land loss or for PMAY Houses. Instead, our PM is busy handing over Crores of houses to backstabbing Muslims. Their voting % to BJP fell from a pathetic 6% in 2019 to an even more miserable 3% in 2024!

So, Modi is NOT about Sabka Saath. He panders specifically to Muslims, often at the expense of deserving Hindus who voted him to power. Do you blame them if they are pissed at him and not vote?

If Modi does not make his schemes Hindu-friendly & if he does not punish Muslims, even I won't vote for him. Under him, our civilizational destruction will only accelerate! He is oiling the gears when the car is going downhill
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Prem Kumar wrote: 06 Jun 2024 11:53 ***X-posting from another thread***

Politics is about rewarding friends & punishing enemies

This simple fact has been lost upon Modi Ji for 10 years. By now, he should have stuffed 10s of Lakhs of Government jobs with pro-Hindu/pro-Indic folks, RSS people etc. Instead he proudly displays a report card which shows Muslims having gotten a disproportionate # of Govt jobs

The stats will shock you: Under Congress, 3% of Muslims were Govt employed. Under 10 years of Modi, that number is 10%

We have had Brahmins in Ayodhya & other places begging for compensation for land loss or for PMAY Houses. Instead, our PM is busy handing over Crores of houses to backstabbing Muslims. Their voting % to BJP fell from a pathetic 6% in 2019 to an even more miserable 3% in 2024!

So, Modi is NOT about Sabka Saath. He panders specifically to Muslims, often at the expense of deserving Hindus who voted him to power. Do you blame them if they are pissed at him and not vote?

If Modi does not make his schemes Hindu-friendly & if he does not punish Muslims, even I won't vote for him. Under him, our civilizational destruction will only accelerate! He is oiling the gears when the car is going downhill
Isn't it strange that BJP supporters having this type of opinion while Muslims having quite opposite opinion?
How can two different perceptions exist at same time? It's possible if both groups living in their own echo chambers and never caring about anything outside their zone.

Somehow the cong+ decoded this complex social structure and almost succeeded in their campaign. Whoever managing this whole thing is serious smart guy. He earned my appreciation.
Anujan wrote: 06 Jun 2024 11:34
I 500% agree. Modi can never be as strong as emperor eleven who won 3500 of the 2,977 seats in national People's Congress
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Typical gober times news journalism. They exhibit their inner pakiness even at the slightest chance.
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Prem Kumar wrote: 06 Jun 2024 11:53 The stats will shock you: Under Congress, 3% of Muslims were Govt employed. Under 10 years of Modi, that number is 10%
Muslim percentage in jobs has been increasing for a long time now.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst

Government figures show that the recruitment of minorities in central government organizations stood at10.18% in 2010-11, up from 6.93% in 2006-07.
Sure, it increased under Modi, but not to the extent you claim. And I doubt Modi is being partial to them. At best, he might have levelled the playing field. More likely, more and more muslims are taking up education. Encouraging muslims to join the mainstream in one thing (which Modi does) but tilting the scales in favour of muslims is another thing (which Modi does not do).
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syam wrote: 06 Jun 2024 09:49
in near term census is going to be nemesis for Modi 3 govt.
opposition will ask for full caste census now which will open 90s mandal game all over again.
lot many may not realize SC/ST limit of 22.5% is 70s number and actual number is way to high. may be 26-28% i dont know. they need that much percent seats in Parliament and in all jobs, govt schemes.
throw in OBC based caste census, again number is much wider. reservation limit of 22.5 + 27% will be challenged by protests and battles on street.
:((
I don't think this reservation talk has much appeal among much larger population. The original caste census happened in Bihar. If this has larger appeal, they would have won Bihar very comfortably. It didn't happen.
i come from TN where core sticking point of voter on dravida party is reservation and freebies.
many dont realize 69% reservation actually cover 95% of population including non Hindus. :shock:
those who claim lineage of Chola and Pandya dynasty are happy to be listed in BC and MBC list.
worse even those who claim lineage of Vijayanagra and Maratha kings are also in BC list of TN.

it is just 1 gaint scam show running in TN for past 6 decades and TN BJP never speak about this. i fear same may repeat PAN Bharat, now that Cong is binging about this since last many months.
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Modi had no choice but to look as grand unifier when magazines called him divider in chief and hence his outreach to M community specially considering his experience with Bohra and other M communities in Gujarat.

think the problem was not rewarding his loyal supporters or pushing them out to vote - I am no supporter of freebies and reservations and I think this government has been correctly reluctant to use that strategy to entice voters… however our Hindus are not as rich or enlightened yet to not expect that from mai-baap Sarkar.

Media has only been slightly more positive this year but most of the time they speak for the opposition. Also Modi could have done interviews before, he gets blamed for not doing press conferences, not sure the chai pe charcha etc has worked as much ?
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couldnt go through posts on previous page so dont know if this has already been posted, but sharing it here anyway:


other than the possible reasons mentioned earlier for BJP's loss in Ayodhya (no/poor compensations, lockdown-like situation during last RamNavami, rumours of land-grabbing, the appointment of nripendra mishra, business-contracts to 'outsiders' aka gujaratis, anti-incumbency factor, poor tkt-distribution/booth & election mgmt, muslim-voters' mobilisation, etc.), here's a data-based finding on also what seems to have happened - votes-transfer from BSP-INC to SP.


[pls check the tweet to see the tabulated data]
https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/179859 ... 33TpRYlU1g

Did Ayodhya actually desert BJP? NOPE!
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- Well, the devil they say, is always in the details.
- And if you see the numbers and the polling history for Ayodhya (Faizabad), the numbers tell a very different story.
- People of Faizabad DID NOT abandon BJP. Period.
- Yes, there is some loss of votes compared to 2019 but that alone does not explain the BJP's defeat here.
- SP and Congress had a better game plan.
- And this loss can be understood on ground of massive anti-incumbency and lack of on ground effort etc.
- Because in spite of massive anti-incumbency against the sitting BJP MP from Faizabad, Lallu Singh, people did vote for him and the BJP.
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- What has happened in Faizabad is very smart jugalbandi between SP and Congress.
- Result of 2024 lies in what happened in 2019 when BSP and INC votes got transferred to SP.
- Read On:
- Just look at the numbers below:
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(1) 2014
- BJP gains the seat from INC with high vote share (48.08%) and a huge margin (27.65%) over its nearest rival, SP.
- Both BSP and INC are players in this election on this seat with combined vote share of 26.75%.
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(2) 2019
- This is where it gets very interesting.
(a) BJP
- Wins again with 48.65% vote share.
- Its vote share increases by marginal 0.57% over 2014.
- Overall number of votes increase by 7.6% over 2014.
(b) Samajwadi Party - Massive gain in votes and vote share!
- Its votes share increases by a massive 22.19% compared to 2014.
- Similarly, the absolute number of votes increase by a whopping 121.8%!!!
- But where did these massive numbers (gain of 254, 558 votes over 2014) come from?
- Just look at the BSP and INC votes in 2019
- BSP is out of the race, and this means its votes had to go someplace.
- Similarly, the number of votes polled by INC in 2019 fall by almost 59% as compared to 2014.
- Between BSP and INC, ~2,19,000 votes had to go somewhere.
- BJP seems to have got a very small share of these numbers.
- And it seems most of these votes went to SP.
- So, from a gap of 27.65% votes between BJP and SP in 2014, the gap had reduced to mere 6.02% in 2019.
- From here, it was game on!
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(3) 2024
- Compared to 2019, BJP's vote share falls by 4.84% while the overall number of votes fall by 5.5%.
- SP's vote share increases by 5.97% and the overall number of votes increase by 19.6%.
- The difference between SP and BJP was 4.78% and 54,567 votes.
- Question is, where did SP gain votes from and where did BJP lose its vote.
- Again, look at the numbers:


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- Overall voting % increased by 4.9%.
- So, more people came out and vote and it seems these additional votes went mainly to SP.
- Second, Congress did not field a candidate!!!
- Which means, bulk of its votes from 2019 (53,386) would've been transferred to SP.
- Mind you, the winning margin for SP ~54,500 votes 😀
- BSP again fielded candidates in 2024 unlike the last time.
- Would this have helped or harmed BJP?
- There are two possibilities - (1) It prevented SC votes of Congress from 100% transfer to SP (2) It ate into SC votes of BJP.
- People on the ground can comment better.
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Long story short, in spite of massive anti-incumbency against BJP candidate, Ayodhya wasi still came out and voted for it.

SP and Congress had a better game plan and on ground mobilization and I'm expecting higher Muslim voter turnout would've also helped. Muslim vote did not split between Congress and SP.

BJP needed better candidate and election management.

Jai Shree Ram!
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Arima wrote: 06 Jun 2024 12:52 i come from TN where core sticking point of voter on dravida party is reservation and freebies.
many dont realize 69% reservation actually cover 95% of population including non Hindus. :shock:
those who claim lineage of Chola and Pandya dynasty are happy to be listed in BC and MBC list.
worse even those who claim lineage of Vijayanagra and Maratha kings are also in BC list of TN.

it is just 1 gaint scam show running in TN for past 6 decades and TN BJP never speak about this. i fear same may repeat PAN Bharat, now that Cong is binging about this since last many months.
We should have introduced different type of reservation to counter this caste based reservation.

Imagine a scheme like Agniveer. Instead of this sankrit name, use simple english name for it and make it only 2 years scheme. Some of them can extend it to another 2 years if they want to. With much lesser salary.
What I would have done is, I would have give special preference to these interns once they leave the service in 2 years.
Give reservations to them in gov jobs.
Give tax benefits to them if they are going for private sector.

With much better packaging without stepping on any body's toes, we could have revolutionized the whole idea.

I guess some one like Jaitley would have packaged it properly. Modiji clearly misses Jaitley in his 2nd term. BJP screwed big time in both messaging and packaging their ideas to general public.

Not that public is incapable of understanding it. It's just congi+ twist everything gov says. BJP should have gamed it better.
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Check these screenshots in this tweet: link
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These information networks are driven by congi+ elites and modiji haters. They are talking about the fake video of Amit Shah's speech.
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A better model for the AgniVeer scheme is that the outgoing manpower must be the intakes for Central Police Forces, NDRF etc.
Also, make AgniVeer service compulsory for PSU intakes.
Tweak the 25% / 75% ratio.

This way, we will get better educated recruits.

Just like demonetisation and lock down, AgniVeer has been a botched up execution.
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With some smaller parties and independents (don't know which ones) joining NDA, its tally reaches to 303.
303 - 16 (TDP) - 12 (JDU) = 275.

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uddu wrote: 06 Jun 2024 06:43 Video: Women line up at UP Congress office for 'guarantee card' of Rs 1 lakh
The Congress had distributed 'guarantee cards' to several households promising Rs 1 lakh every year to the woman head of every poor family.
https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok ... 2024-06-05
https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1798288837191618578
Issuing a Guarantee card should be taken to the Election Commission and asked for annulling the election of 7 Congress candidates who won by promising money in exchange of the card issued to them by the party.
BJP must be aggressive in their approach. Rather than poaching opponents, there are many such ways through which BJP can be on the ground fighting.
After EC, it should be taken to court just after Modi govt is formed. Dynamic aggressive politics should be played by BJP rather than the Gandhian approach they are into. If BJP could force reelection in these 7 seats, it will be a big victory for them. Even if it plays out in the media, its a big win in the perception battle.
this is such a slam dunk! ideally it should be taken up by lawyers to sue the congress. this suggestion/approach should be amplified on SM. atleast get a few of these women to speak emotively on camera on how they were duped. should reach the bigwigs if they're listening & would pay heed to.
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BJP taken us(public supporters) for granted on social media. Our ideas won't go anywhere near to BJP leadership. 'RW' wala posts I agree. They are useless. But we have significant number of posters who put actual good content out there.

may be JayaShankar team reads some of the posts here and steal them for his speeches(?)

But over all, we are just talking to an empty wall. I am seeing the pattern on SM today. Same BJP handles trying to counter congi+ propaganda now. Instead of accepting their failure in the elections, they are just shamelessly doing same thing again.

"Where are liberals? Why is burkha silent? Rajdeep you clown. haha haha"

These slogans were expired long time back. I remember using them in early 2015. It's been almost 10 years now. All of them lost relevance. But BJP IT cell still uses same slogans.

All the new content out there is published by bunch of independent supporters who has zero support from BJP.

imo we should prepare for worst case scenario. BJP social media game won't go back to their glory days. Cuz the present leaders are not tech savvy enough. And the gatekeepers will keep the present system running despite the disaster campaigns.
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Abhijit Iyer-Mitra @Iyervval
This is a tweet of appreciation for @AbhTri_. His family work on the ground for the BJP in UP. He’s been telling me for three months that BJP was going to lose around 40 seats and there was both Thakur and Dalit anger. I ridiculed him but he was right all along
Details here
https://x.com/Bharatvidya1/status/1635042442536947713


https://theaidem.com/the-missing-ram-ra ... ya-part-1/
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https://youtu.be/0vg8z0iPlCI?si=clMF_m-0mn94ytip
No point in blaming the voter for your own mistakes.

In the matter of giving ticket to recent arrivals from other parties, BJP in the pursuit of niti, forgot about dharma.
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So the independents joined NDA and now the total MP count is 303. Even if CN and NK do a paltu, then there is some hope. A lot of juggling needed taking focus away from other crucial issues.
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Many esteemed members have put forth their view. Let me share my 2 cents on what happened and what's the way forward.

1. Many here have said a lot about caste, hindutva, economics etc etc. A 10 year anti incumbency is bound to reduce the numbers of any party. I feel it's a mix of all but primarily there was a full opposition votes consolidation against BJP. For example if a BJP MP had won 6 lakh votes last time, he retained that much votes in 2024 but the nearest SP candidate who had 5 Lakh votes got the extra 2 lakh votes that went to BSP neta last time around and he was able to win considerably.

2. BJP had managed to drive all the regional parties except YSRCP (due to obvious reasons) and BJD (because it was highly dominant) to the Congress camp. If these parties had thought they had better luck trying on their own instead of allying with Congress, they would have fought the elections alone and lost by 1 lakh votes.

3. BJP's lightning expansion throughout India though has given BJP seats, it has come at the cost of a united opposition. A united opposition still commands somewhere 41% of vote share this election. BJP on its own has around 36% of vote share which can further decrease. Hence, consolidation of any kind must be prevented. The dotted alliance needs to be broken up on a priority. And BJP MUST ensure no coalition of parties are going to fight against it.

4. All the opposition parties came under the threat of extinction, that's why they went to congress make a ragtag opposition coalition. This didn't work in 2019 because there were some problems in transfer of votes and opposition coordination. It was a trial run and the opposition has definitely learnt from its mistake.

5. Instead of targeting the regional parties, it's important for BJP to go after Congress at full force while appeasing the regional parties. Congress is the glue that binds the opposition together and creates the system that enables the BIF. It's the heart, brain and soul of this cancerous entity that's eating bharat from within. Congress at present commands 21% of vote share. It got almost 19% in 2014 and 2019. This percentage needs to go as down as possible. Possibly below 13% to eliminate congress from ever becoming a threat. BJP did no work in breaking the Congress party from within except probably in Gujarat and MP. Instead of dismantling Sena, BJP needs to dismantle the Congress party. If not the Family, atleast its chief ministers and regional leaders. Anything and everything must be done to break Congress.

6. After Congress problem is settled, the regional parties can be settled later on. There will be no mothership for the regional parties to flock to. Hence, it's time to cede space and time to the regional parties. If possible give them doles or bribes. Anything to lure them away from Congress. TMC, Congress and SP hardly make 150. Rest of the parties can be lured away. A charm offensive and reprive from ED-CBI raids along with a appearance giving of importance to the regional parties will help a lot in isolating Congress in the long term. The regional parties need to think that they can take on BJP alone. It's possible in 2029 when opposition will be complacent that they can take on BJP cuz of 15 year anti incumbency.

7. Caste chemistry along with economic incentives with a sprinkle of Hindutva is what works in India or atleast what BJP should consider now. Modi should also cede space to regional popular leaders and prop them up.

8. Caste census and delimitation and other contetous issues need to be dodged up and until a final solution could be found for the Congress party.

9. Breaking parties and white washing is what people voted against. But people voted in favour of the drive against corruption. The places where ED CBI did raids, they have voted in favor of BJP.

10. I hope in this term, Modi goes after the family. I know the risk of doing that. They can paint themselves as martyrs and gain a sympathy wave. So one needs to handle it delicately. I hope by cutting of the head of the hydra, one can finally defeat it. RG should now not be allowed to roam free. Must tie one of his minion's crime to RG.

11. Lastly, Congress needs to be dismantled before we head into the next election or else we must accept that pappu or pappi is going to be our next PM.
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Yogi_G wrote: 06 Jun 2024 17:39 So the independents joined NDA and now the total MP count is 303. Even if CN and NK do a paltu, then there is some hope. A lot of juggling needed taking focus away from other crucial issues.
Those independents will demand their pound of flesh. Jitan Ram Manjhi and Kumaraswamy with 1 and 2 seats respectively are demanding ministerial berths. While it is good to have some cushion knowing Nitish Kumar may flip anytime, BJP needs a plan B. The biggesr challenge will be after assembly elections in Haryana, Maharashtra and Jharkhand - poor performance will further sow doubts in the minds of coalition partners.
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Above video, Vaibhav Singh has it exactly right when he says, you have been in government for ten years, if Dhruv Rathee and George Soros can cause you to lose fifty seats, then it is time you retire from politics. (It is your own mistakes, not all these excuses. And all the gaali you give the electorate is being carefully stored by the Opposition for the next time you need the voters. No one denies you gave development, but what is a person to do with development if his day-to-day problems are not addressed? )
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Political stability is essential for economic growth, so this coalition compromise cannot be avoided, but coalition politics can mean policy paralysis. The foundation for Bharat for the next thousand years was an implausible claim, and now can be discarded. How to keep the economic momentum growing, and whatever issues to make that meaningful for the voter so as to get back the majority in 2029 needs to be the priority.
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Some constable slapped Kangana in Chandighar airport for supporting farmers. That constable probably learnt it from her Whatsapp university. She will get away with it. Congi+ will share that video all over the place to feel the perverse pleasure. After all they are showing BJP their real Aukat. :lol:

Is this supposed to be the grand strategy of Congi+?

If it is this easy to put BJP in its place, why did Ahmed bhai never do something like this even at the peak of his power?
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