Bharat Rakshak

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Shiv, There is nothing I disagree with you on. And I do understand the context. Rahul M and Rony, I do understand the context. It is only you, who did not understand the meaning of my post. Allow me to explain. My point is that the only reason, Pakis can put Indians on the defensive on skin color (w...

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No saar. You can see the pics I have posted above. With a constant barrage of propagandu about the "light complexioned Pakistani" we have come to believe that. Pakistan is a country where light complexion rules over dark complexion. A fundamentally racist nation. And the information we se...

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[quote-"Shiv"]Well said sir. Well said. And thanks for posting those images. I had also collected up a series of images of "hidden Pakistanis" who look like "black Hindus" which Pakistanis seem to like to hide - except when they can't help it (like floods). And because ...

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Our local sardarji is a role model. He is more yindoo than me, and knows more tamil than I can read or write. He is a carnatic music fan, and hindustani singer. He is an ardent devotee at the hindu temple. Generalization is bad habit for many "only born once" desis. :twisted: Where do you...

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@CRS ^^^: "I sensed a touch of Taliban-style fanatiscism; I mean there was not a prejudiced bone among the Hindus," When an Indian asks me where are you from? I know what he/she means is what part of India are you from? If a non-Indian asks me the same question, I know what they are askin...

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If I were a Sikh, I'd be offended too to hear someone equate my faith with another (even if there is historical links). The assertion of differences is more pronounced in diaspora in many cultures - this is not just a Hindu-Sikh thing. If I were a Sikh, I'd be offended too to hear someone equate my...

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CRAMS said - I don't know about their loyalty etc, but I have noticed that lots of NRI Sikhs resent this notion that there is similarity between Sikihism and Hinduism. They want their independent identity. And thats why I tell my Hindu friends in US to not push this if it offends Sikhs, whether or ...

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^^ Not sure you can generalize like that. I have several close buddies who are Sikhs and we meet, attend each others' functions etc. like any other group of Indian friends here in the US. Bigotry, sub-national identity can be seen in many subsets of Indian Americans but I'm not sure you can general...

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I am waiting for Panjabi Hindus to claim persecution by Sikhs only. I am not sure if anybody else has noticed this or not. But the Sikhs in the US maintain a fairly distinct and segregated identity from other Indians. Not only are they not seen in large numbers in any Indian social or other functio...

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But you see, Mr. Shiv, you are not in denial. Denial occurs when you are faced with information that differs so much from what you already believe that you cannot accept that information. I believe that Hindus are basically good people who have been wronged by history. I think Islam is a basically ...

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I can see around me scores, if not hundreds of people who are making that change. But as I see it the change cannot come from "above" - it cannot come from a leader except occasional inspiration from a Gandhi or a much folowed personality like Anna Hazare. It has to spread "laterally...

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Can we do something to initiate change? If anyone is in the civil services or some high post in GOI in BRF, could he or she help us by taking our concerns to the ministers! Can, we at least organize something to solidarity for this cause and so that the GOI thinks! Please, can we do something about...

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While the easy description is to say that "We Indians are all responsible for the mess" the real truth is that we as a nation are naive and ignorant. Or mindset is just like that of our parents and grandparents who were ruled by the compassion of a "wise" King or the "wise&...

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I am pleased to note that on Times Now TV the question being asked is "Mumbai - resilience or compulsion"? At last tube lights are flickering on. Every fuggen time there is an attack in Mumbai everyone says "oooh Ahhh Mumbai. resilient. Bounce back. Bull shit. Attacks have to stop. I...

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Congratulations, your quota of warnings just opened up. Feel free to make guesses about who called up who etc. etc. but don't derail this thread with that gyan. Dhanyawad. Congratulations to you Sir. I will not be participating in "your" forum anymore. When I joined I didnt think this was...

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I would still be interested in some possible scenarios, concrete and practical scenarios, in your view, of how "the genius of our land and people" can conceivably bring about the desired changes from within the current system and without a revolution, given our current sorry state. Is it ...

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>>You may not have a preference for a revolution, but that is another story. Forget about the revolution for a while. Explain to me, why you think that there is any hope for positive change within the current system. If you cant explain it or if you yourself are not convinced of it, then by elimina...

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I am new here, but I have noticed that this forum has certain individuals who are mental cases. They have a compulsion to use this forum as an outlet for their fustration resulting not from people's posts, but their own lives outside this forum. I dont write anything personal about anybody. Sir, yo...

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Nataraja: You are making the classic mistake of confusing what you want to happen (revolution, violent), with what is likely to happen. Possibility and probability are two separate things. Anything is possible but each possibility has a probability. When it comes to probabilities, they have to be e...

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ShauryaT, Dont take it personal, but it appears as if you have not read my post in full or you missed that one point. I said in my previous post that if you like, we can discuss where the distrust comes from, in a different thread. Precisely, because one makes these kinds of genuine mistakes (such a...

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ShauryaT, Excellent post. A lot I agree with, a lot I disagree. Let me start with the agreement, then get into the disagreement and then end by suggesting a point of agreement on top of which we can build our discussion and perhaps come up with solutions. It is very important for any conversation to...

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For those like Sanku, who think expecting good governance is like "expecting kalki to come to our rescue", I have only two words for you. "Narendra Modi". Modi is a person, not God, and cetainly does'nt look like Kalki to me. Because he is a person , he may be flawed too, but I ...

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Therefore, before I put forward any solutions, I want to be very clear in my mind, what problem am I offering the solutions for. The right level of debate is not problems and solutions, the right level of debate is what are these first principles that we want enshrined in our constitution. Very tho...

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Therefore, forgive me, but I will not lower my expectations and keep holding all of us Indians including our leadership to very high standards. Sure please offer two table spoons of ghee from my time next time as you sit around and pray for Lord Kalki to come and rescue us. You will have better luc...

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Therefore, forgive me, but I will not lower my expectations and keep holding all of us Indians including our leadership to very high standards. Sure please offer two table spoons of ghee from my time next time as you sit around and pray for Lord Kalki to come and rescue us. You will have better luc...

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There was no need for special anti-corruption rule during NDA because there was no special corruption. Beating BJP for not turning into lord Kalki overnight and establishing dharma single handedly all over the world or die trying misses the point -- THERE IS NO ***SOLUTION*** -- there is no ENDGAME...

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I see a lot of negative comments about Digvijay Singh here on this forum. He is simply trying to ingratiate himself with his master - Respected Soniaji and Prime Minster Ready Rahul ji. Sonia and Rahul hate the RSS and Hindu ideologues. They do so for obvious reasons. They are the only entity that c...

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This question is important - what next? . What do we do.Do we follow? Do we lead? Who do we follow? following people who are already trying to make deals with the government, will bring us down so hard, we wont know what hit us.I think it is not wise to follow any external leaders till we have spen...

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natraja: Let us accept for argument sake that the problem is "we". Now, what will you do, bring in others? Well, not literally, so bring in other's ideas. That is exactly what we did. Our constituent assembly made a deliberate choice by thinking that they could "reform" and &quo...

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This is where I tend to disagree with my fellow patriots. By patriots I mean people who would like for India to be rooted in all the "good things" of our own culture, who want India to be strong, independent and be a homeland for Hindus, while treating others with respect. And I readily ag...

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^^ Sanku Ji with all due respects does the image of LKA hanging by his fingernails and the three four hanger's around him cause any enthusiasm in normal people.Would love to hear your view and in case if you have misunderstood I only want revival of Indic thought which I guess puts us on the same s...

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^ What kind of a question is that? you have the ability to contribute positively and I would appreciate if you keep doing so. DOn't get entangled with a personal debate with 1-2 members. And yes, don't quote youtube videos and large images posted right above by another user. You are right. Point ta...

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Harbans,

Whats the low down on this Bandhu Gupta guy ? Have you been able to dig up some dirt on him ?

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So how is it that in 65 years of independence, the country is now finally ripe for revolution? The record so far in countries like South Korea is that it takes rising political conciousness to fuel a revolution that sets a new course. In modern terms this has come to mean dissatisfaction in the urb...

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So, if you have not yet reached your threshhold of pain tolerance, enough to revolt, can you list what factors have to be present for you to cross that threshhold ? What conditions have to exist for you personally to cross that rubicon. It is a tautology (to borrow a favorite phrase from another fo...

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sorry if already posted: Must watch: interview with Vishwa Bandhu Gupta, Former Tax Commissioner zQDKDvkGvz4 Mupulla, I did'nt know this guy from Adam, but I felt like he had read my mind and used his voice to speak my words. You still believe after watching this video that 1) Corruption is not as ...

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I hope this thread is preserved from 10 years from now. For those that challenged and argued against me and Somnath Ji here. Why 10 years? Is because things will become clearer to them, possibly at that time frame only.: And these are exactly the kind of people that argued and held back liberalizat...

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nataraja, your reading is wrong. if you start from an educated and academic position, constitutionalism, democracy and secularism as they exist in india will appear as a sham. but if you start bottom first, and see how politics and inter community relationships etc are practiced and then try to the...

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I think we all agree that when 4 generations of one family have reigned for over 70% of post -independence timeframe, there is something fundamentally wrong with the nature of India's supposed democracy. And while rational thinking countries move towards a policy of muscular liberalism that enforce...

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nataraja, your reading is wrong. if you start from an educated and academic position, constitutionalism, democracy and secularism as they exist in india will appear as a sham. but if you start bottom first, and see how politics and inter community relationships etc are practiced and then try to the...

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