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Same talk page another section edited in the last couple of hours

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Josh ... macists%22
I propose that we remove any version of the misleading phrase: "compared protestors to the KKK and white supremacists". The New York Times is one of the original sources and gives needed context, quoting Shapiro stressing "that he did not believe all encampments or demonstrators were antisemitic — not 'by any stretch'" and saying, "If you had a group of white supremacists camped out and yelling racial slurs every day, that would be met with a different response than antisemites camped out, yelling antisemitic tropes". :mrgreen: He is comparing alleged antisemitic speech to white supremacist speech and explicitly contrasted with demonstrators who are not antisemitic. NBC supports all of this. The New Republic's article subjectively mischaracterized his words by saying, "Shapiro made clear the low regard in which he holds pro-Palestine campus activists".
and this
I think the phrase, particularly the word compare, is accurate, and has enough prevalence in RS to warrant its use. Comparison involves evaluating two or more things and identifying their similarities and differences. I think many people conflate comparing and equating things, which has led to some confusion in this debate over how to describe Shapiro's comments both on and off-wiki. I think it's also worth noting that even in Shapiro's comparisons where he contrasts the two groups, he indirectly reveals his position that that the two groups of protestors are of essentially the same type. He is saying that the authorities ought to respond to pro-Palestinian protestors more similarly to the manner in which they respond to white supremacists, rather than treating pro-Palestinian protestors in a way similar to other peaceful, more accepted groups of protestors. In saying that the response should be similar, Shapiro is equating what he sees as antisemitic conduct from pro-Palestinian protestors with the bigotry of white supremacists, and saying that equivalence should mean the difference between a protest movement being permitted and embraced or cracked down on. If Shapiro were saying that pro-Palestinian protestors are apples and white supremacists are oranges, I would agree that describing that sort of thing - a contrast with no equivalence - as a comparison would be misleading even if technically correct. However, he's saying something more like this: Pro-Palestinian protestors and white supremacists are both apples. Everyone knows that white supremacists are rotten apples, but pro-Palestinian protestors are just as rotten on the inside and we give them a pass due to their shiny exterior. That's certainly a comparison, and none of the more detailed explanations of his comments contradict the use of that term to describe it as such. Unbandito (talk)
History is being revised - revisionist commie style - and reinterpreted as we speak/post. :((
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One of the editors most active is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jade_Ten

That editor considers these following as reliable foreign sources
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BBC bbc.com (except statements of opinion)
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Al Jazeera
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Rappler
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where as top unreliables sources
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The Epoch Times (Affiliated with Falun gong)
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Fox News
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WikiLeaks
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The Bible (perennial unreliable source - guess which two other books are missing)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Ha ... sonal_life
Harris is a Baptist, holding membership of the Third Baptist Church of San Francisco, a congregation of the American Baptist Churches USA.[288][289][290][291] She is a member of The Links, an invitation-only social and service organization of prominent Black American women.[292][293]
Baptist denomination is one of the (if not the) most evangelical of protestant xtianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists
Baptists form a major branch of evangelicalism distinguished by baptizing only professing Christian believers (believer's baptism) and doing so by complete immersion. Baptist churches generally subscribe to the doctrines of soul competency (the responsibility and accountability of every person before God), sola fide (salvation by just faith alone), sola scriptura (the scripture of the Bible alone, as the rule of faith and practice) and congregationalist church government. Baptists generally recognize two ordinances: baptism and communion.
I was curious as to what is evangelicalism. Wikipedia to the rescue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
Evangelicalism (/ˌiːvænˈdʒɛlɪkəlɪzəm, ˌɛvæn-, -ən-/), also called evangelical Christianity or evangelical Protestantism, is a worldwide interdenominational movement within Protestant Christianity that emphasizes the centrality of sharing the "good news" of Christianity, being "born again" in which an individual experiences personal conversion, as authoritatively guided by the Bible, God's revelation to humanity.[1][2][3][4][5] The word evangelic comes from the Greek word for 'good news' (euangelion).[6]
Calling Kamala Iyer Harris "Baptist Harris" is quite appropriate just like calling Nancy Pelosi "Catholic Pelosi".

I object to "comma,la" ofcourse.
"Friends, Dupli-Citizens, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to sideline Biden, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft forgotten with their resignation;
So let it be with Biden. The noble Obama
Hath told you Biden was senile:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault in character,
And grievously hath Biden answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Obama and the rest–
For Obama is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men/women/LGBTQI...
Come I to speak in Biden's political funeral.
He was my President, faithful and just to me:
But Obama says he was senile;
And Obama is an honourable man.
He hath brought many chip factories home to California
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Biden seem senile?
When that the poor have cried, Biden hath wept:
Senility should be made of more bhoosa stuff:
Yet Obama says he was senile;
And Obama is an honourable man.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Ag ... _Democrats

There is an interesting table as to which denomination voted for which party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age#Politics
Despite the high voter turnout, aggressive political campaigning, and frequently nasty elections, there were few real policy differences between the Democrats and Republicans. Gilded age politicians are somewhat infamous among historians for having few actual policies and doing very little of importance in office. Gilded age presidents are frequently called the "forgotten presidents" because of their mediocre presidencies where they did very little. [84] [85]

Metropolitan area politics
The major metropolitan centers underwent rapid population growth and as a result had many lucrative contracts and jobs to award. To take advantage of the new economic opportunity, both parties built so-called "political machines" to manage elections, to reward supporters and to pay off potential opponents. Financed by the "spoils system", the winning party distributed most local, state and national government jobs, and many government contracts, to its loyal supporters.[86] (my comments: Not much has changed) :rotfl:

Large cities became dominated by political machines in which constituents supported a candidate in exchange for anticipated patronage. These votes would be repaid with favors back from the government once the appropriate candidate was elected; and very often candidates were selected based on their willingness to play along with the spoils system. The largest and most notorious political machine was Tammany Hall in New York City, led by Democrat Boss Tweed.[86] (not much has changed) :rotfl:
The movie Gangs of New York depicts Tammany Hall politics well. More recent depiction of the dirt in NYC is in the movie (please do watch the unedited 3.75 hours version which is on YouTube for free with Ads)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon ... in_America
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Mark Twain's Huckle Berry Finn is a must read to understand the rural midwest. I am not that impressed with his Tom Sawyer though.
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As for what blacks are saying about Harris, here are a couple of YouTube podcasts from two I found to be interesting. Bith seem to have quite a big following.



Maybe some here would say this man is not decent. :twisted:
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Amala Ekpunobi has over 2 million suscribers. It is her take on K. Harris doing black accent in GA just a couple of days ago. She is saying that it is extremely annoying and she doesn't doubt that Harris is a fake.
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https://youtu.be/ir6ONjC0mZc?t=2060

How MSM and DNC together started calling JDV as "weird".
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I will stop with this one for now. I hope y'all see those an reac' bros.
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A pair of esteemed economists have exposed a dangerous game being played by US Treasury under Janet Yellen, involving "Stealth QE" - what effectively amounts to a lowering of interest rates by the backdoor method of tampering with debt issuance:

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bala wrote: 03 Aug 2024 21:00 This is probably known by everyone, nevertheless PGurus is digging deeper and providing tangible facts. Good to have this properly highlighted by media. Bharat's media is a slave dog to such scamsters from videsh. They behave as echo chambers to NYT, WaPo, ABC, BBC, MSNBC, Reuters, Bloomberg, etc.

Here's Part 2 of what you posted

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Interesting move, relaunch of the "Republicans for Biden" group for Harris: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... an-voices/
The group will have kick off events Monday in battleground states Arizona, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.
Most of these people are former elected reps and/or former members of GOP administrations in the past. Given that the upcoming election (like the previous one) will likely be decided by less than 1 million swing voters in the 7 swing states, this is quite interesting.

Many of the "netas" listed are from states that Harris is already sure to win (or lose), but one notable is Geoff Duncan (former Lt Gov of GA and former state rep) whom the Indian-American community has supported.

In that context, some of the realities specific to GA:

Due partly to the fallouts of the 2020 "stolen election" drama, Trump has regularly alienated the GA gov Brian Kemp and his family, as well as the state secretary Brad Raffensperger (recipient of the famous "find me 11000 votes" phone call) with insults. Still at it as of yesterday's Atlanta rally:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgi ... ily-out-it
"He's a bad guy. He’s a disloyal guy. And he's a very average governor. Little Brian, little Brian Kemp. Bad guy," Trump said.
In a 2022 governor election rally, Trump basically invited the Dem candidate to replace Kemp, saying he'd be "OK with it". Nevertheless, Kemp easily defeated the Trump candidate in the GOP primary before going on to win a second term. Kemp has been backed by Indian-American orgs, and he issued the proclamation in support of Hindus and declared October as official Hindu Heritage Month in GA. Similarly, Raffensperger also defeated a Trump-backed candidate and went on to a second term.

Neither Kemp, Duncan, nor Raffensperger attended the rally.

In contrast, Harris' Atlanta rally did display unity in the Dem party, including the two GA senators (both Dems). That is the reality, outside of someone on the internet finding Kamaladevi's "black accent" to be fake.
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sanman wrote: 04 Aug 2024 07:23
bala wrote: 03 Aug 2024 21:00 This is probably known by everyone, nevertheless PGurus is digging deeper and providing tangible facts. Good to have this properly highlighted by media. Bharat's media is a slave dog to such scamsters from videsh. They behave as echo chambers to NYT, WaPo, ABC, BBC, MSNBC, Reuters, Bloomberg, etc.

Here's Part 2 of what you posted

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Modis visit to Moscow is more than symbolic ...

Democracy = leverage for Washington
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KL Dubey wrote: 04 Aug 2024 20:10 Due partly to the fallouts of the 2020 "stolen election" drama, Trump has regularly alienated the GA gov Brian Kemp and his family, as well as the state secretary Brad Raffensperger (recipient of the famous "find me 11000 votes" phone call) with insults. Still at it as of yesterday's Atlanta rally:
Sigh. Whatever happened to the 51 intelligence officers who pulled off e Russia hoax?

This is all par for the course. American Institutions are politicized by the Democrats/globalists/Soros family/Muslim Brotherhood/Atalantists/Gates Foundation/Clinton Foundation/Cold Warriors whi are still fighting Russia.

The real threat to the US and India is China.

But then we have people of the Subramniam Swamy, Sam Pitroda ilk who carry water for CCP and CIA. Elitist folks of Delhi are totally compromised. Just to cover up their radical left liberal tilt, they give some lip service to India-US is are aligned in cultural space (US wants to push their soft power in India - Hollywood, STEM education (elite private universities of the US want to push their Elite Radical Left Liberal ideas by infiltration into Indian higher education), and NGOs who have no regard for Indian Law.
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bala wrote: 03 Aug 2024 21:00 This is probably known by everyone, nevertheless PGurus is digging deeper and providing tangible facts. Good to have this properly highlighted by media. Bharat's media is a slave dog to such scamsters from videsh. They behave as echo chambers to NYT, WaPo, ABC, BBC, MSNBC, Reuters, Bloomberg, etc.
Here's Part 3 of what you posted:

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Looks like Kamala with the help of the deep state has picked Tim Walz for the V. P. post for election in November 2024.
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Waltz is the mayor of Mogadishu. He’s the one who set the state on fire with BLM & Harris bailed out the rioters in 2020. Both will be absolutely disastrous for India.

Ilhan Omar, an Islamist congress person who is vehemently anti-India, is absolutely elated with the selection of Walz.
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Probably to balance JDV's military service as well as non-jewish governor of a state whose capital is New Mogadishu. One thing I like about him is "free school meals".

I hope those programs stay if Trump/JD win.
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In terms of understanding US politics and the upcoming election:

The two "finalists" (Walz and Shapiro) were the appropriate candidates, and either one would help Harris. I think Walz was chosen because of being the more "regular midwestern middle-class white guy" who can resonate with conservative and centrist male white voters in WI, MI, and PA - like he has demonstrated in MN by winning elections in traditionally Republican strongholds.

Outside of the seven swing states, all other states are essentially locked in barring a major upheaval in the 90 days ahead. Harris has locked in 226 electoral votes and Trump has 219. If Harris can win WI, MI, and PA (10+15+19 = 44), she reaches 270. On top of that, she also has a strong chance in GA due to the demographics and GOP disunity. Shapiro might have had a bit of a problem in this equation because of the Arab-American voters in MI. In any case, he will likely be a strong fundraiser and advocate in PA even though he was not picked.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 07 Aug 2024 01:29 Probably to balance JDV's military service as well as non-jewish governor of a state whose capital is New Mogadishu. One thing I like about him is "free school meals".

I hope those programs stay if Trump/JD win.
Free school meals are provided by the state. In some cases some states rely on federal funding.
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Just now Van Jones publicly stated on CNN that Shapiro is not selected because Harris gave in to the Anti-semite lobby inside DNC.
Waltz is turning out to be another "Swift Boat" Kerry. His buddies have written an open letter about he has "stolen valor" when he was deployed.

Good luck to the Harris-Waltz boosters and groupies.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 07 Aug 2024 02:42 Just now Van Jones publicly stated on CNN that Shapiro is not selected because Harris gave in to the Anti-semite lobby inside DNC.
Waltz is turning out to be another "Swift Boat" Kerry. His buddies have written an open letter about he has "stolen valor" when he was deployed.

Good luck to the Harris-Waltz boosters and groupies.
I agree with you that Kamala Harris is hostage to the radical left section of her party, where she draws most of her strength from.

But Waltz is himself Jewish too. Perhaps it's only his ultra-Left track record which has let him get through.

As for Van Jones, he doesn't have serious credibility -- he showed up to speak at the pro-Israel protests in Washington. He's well known to pay lip service to Israel, since it helps his career.
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Someone was claiming "there is a USD 10K limit on individual donations". Then how is this possible?
Ben Stiller announces he is donating $150K to Kamala Harris and then says:

"I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."
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@sanman

He is Lutheren (started by ye old first anti-semite of the recent times - Martin Luther)

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/08 ... lzs-faith/
Five faith facts about Kamala Harris’ V.P. pick, Tim Walz, a ‘Minnesota Lutheran’ Dad
If elected, he would be either the first or second Lutheran vice president of the United States, depending on how you count it.
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For benefit of forum members, understanding campaign contribution types and their limits:

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and ... on-limits/
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KL Dubey wrote: 07 Aug 2024 01:33 In terms of understanding US politics and the upcoming election:

The two "finalists" (Walz and Shapiro) were the appropriate candidates, and either one would help Harris. I think Walz was chosen because of being the more "regular midwestern middle-class white guy" who can resonate with conservative and centrist male white voters in WI, MI, and PA - like he has demonstrated in MN by winning elections in traditionally Republican strongholds.

Outside of the seven swing states, all other states are essentially locked in barring a major upheaval in the 90 days ahead. Harris has locked in 226 electoral votes and Trump has 219. If Harris can win WI, MI, and PA (10+15+19 = 44), she reaches 270. On top of that, she also has a strong chance in GA due to the demographics and GOP disunity. Shapiro might have had a bit of a problem in this equation because of the Arab-American voters in MI. In any case, he will likely be a strong fundraiser and advocate in PA even though he was not picked.
Not an American but when I talk to my cousins who are (& mainly urban first time voters who hate Trump/Republicans)...over the last month, I see a lot of hope in their words and overall it seems like the left voter base has energized and there is less of doom & gloom in the air. I being told that Dems are slightly ahead in majority of the polls and probably just hype or optics but it seems like Trump will not have an easy road to a win.

From an international perspective, Trump would be the the better choice...in any case, India has to learn to navigate US relations water regardless of whomever the American people chose to vote.
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Zynda wrote: 07 Aug 2024 05:59 ...
Not an American but when I talk to my cousins who are (& mainly urban first time voters who hate Trump/Republicans)...over the last month, I see a lot of hope in their words and overall it seems like the left voter base has energized and there is less of doom & gloom in the air.
The left is energized because that doddering, demented old fossil Biden is out of the race. Getting rid of him immediately boosted the Dem's chances of victory from "impossible" to "fifty-fifty".
Trump will not have an easy road to a win.
Neither will Harris. America is a bitterly-divided country almost evenly split between R and D. This election will be a nail-biter right to the very end (barring some totally unforeseen Black Swan event, in which case, who the hell knows where this goes).

What I can say with some certainty:
  • Trump's selection of JD Vance as a running mate (as opposed to, say, Rubio or Haley or Stefaniuk) will help him a lot in the swing states. The swing states control the election outcome.
  • Harris' selection of Walz (as opposed to Shapiro) was a stupid blunder that might cost her the election. With Shapiro as her running-mate she had a good chance to win Pennsylvania (and therefore, the election). By rejecting him she has, in effect, conceded PA. She was afraid that selecting him would anger the Hamas / Jihadi vote. The Walz selection will be wildly popular in all the left-wing big states (NY, CA, IL, the People's Republic of Minnesota and the Islamic Jumuhuriyat of Michigan), but those states were all locked in for the Dems anyway, Walz or no Walz.
  • Regardless of who wins (or appears to have won) on Nov. 5, there will be violent riots in the streets of many Blue cities in America. The rioters/vandals will be a motley collection of leftists / marxists / jihadis. Depending on the election results, they will either be giddy with victory (if Harris wins) or enraged at defeat (if Trump wins). This is NOT going to be an election result that the Islamist / Marxist coalition accepts peacefully, with a shrug of the shoulders.
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Democratic Party members of congress are on record that the US vice president Kamala Harris will not certify the presidential election result in January 2025 should Trump win.
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The funny thing is that if you look at MSM, and even forums like Reddit, there's an overwhelming outpouring of news being posted that the Dems are going to trounce the GoP.
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bala wrote: 06 Aug 2024 21:16 Looks like Kamala with the help of the deep state has picked Tim Walz for the V. P. post for election in November 2024.
Supposed to be Obama's choice. Harris wanted Shapiro but both Obama and Pelosi pushed for and got Tim Waltz.
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Mort Walker wrote: 07 Aug 2024 20:44 Democratic Party members of congress are on record that the US vice president Kamala Harris will not certify the presidential election result in January 2025 should Trump win.
Yes. I will try to dig up that video sometime soon. I would like the comments from those who are boosting these Harris/Waltz.
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Mukesh.Kumar wrote: 07 Aug 2024 22:40 The funny thing is that if you look at MSM, and even forums like Reddit, there's an overwhelming outpouring of news being posted that the Dems are going to trounce the GoP.
Dems receive more votes overall nationally (as happened both 2016 and 2020), however Republicans can win through the electoral college mechanism with a minority of the national vote. This then means that there are more followers on one side to post on social media. Coincidentally, these followers are also from the tech heavy states. The GoP does have an uphill battle from the start because of this dynamic.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 07 Aug 2024 23:18
Mort Walker wrote: 07 Aug 2024 20:44 Democratic Party members of congress are on record that the US vice president Kamala Harris will not certify the presidential election result in January 2025 should Trump win.
Yes. I will try to dig up that video sometime soon. I would like the comments from those who are boosting these Harris/Waltz.
https://rollcall.com/2024/03/19/democra ... trump-win/

Goes back to the spring for deep state to keep Trump out any cost. Be it jail, assassination, or ballot box stuffing (booth capturing).

What we see happening in Bangladesh is part of the US deep state operation. No MSM coverage, mass murder of Hindus, simultaneous cancellation of Sheikh Hasina’s visa by the Anglo sphere countries, very limited Bangla Taka devaluation by 3 or 4 Taka, Installation of puppet Yonus caretaker government & acceptance of Islamists who entirely undemocratic.
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Mukesh.Kumar wrote: 07 Aug 2024 22:40 The funny thing is that if you look at MSM, and even forums like Reddit, there's an overwhelming outpouring of news being posted that the Dems are going to trounce the GoP.
I don't think so. All the MSM and established polls say:

- Harris has established a small but reliably measurable lead (2-3%) over Trump nationally in the last two weeks
- She has converted a significant Dem trail (during Bhaidanwa's campaign) to either a lead or a tie in swing states

I don't see any mainstream news channel or pollster claiming the Dems will "trounce" the GOP. There certainly is a trend discussing paths to a narrow victory for Harris, even on outlets like Fox. Even the party campaigns themselves are circumspect, with Harris campaign labeling itself as a the "underdog". Things may change over the next 3 months, but right now its a close race.

I am sure there is no lack of highly partisan content - from both sides - produced by individuals on other forums.
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Roop wrote: 07 Aug 2024 13:47 The left is energized because that doddering, demented old fossil Biden is out of the race. Getting rid of him immediately boosted the Dem's chances of victory from "impossible" to "fifty-fifty".
That is true, but only half the story. Trump has also not been able to get to a stable 50% favorability rating at any time since 2020. Furthermore, he too is old and showing different red-flag signs than Bhaidanwa, such as long, repetitive, and rambling speeches with near-zero content.
America is a bitterly-divided country almost evenly split between R and D. This election will be a nail-biter right to the very end (barring some totally unforeseen Black Swan event, in which case, who the hell knows where this goes).
I certainly agree with that. Clearly neither Bhaidanwa nor Trump have been a uniting figure in this election run-up so far.

Based on Trump's current behavior, I don't think he will evolve into a uniter in the next 3 months, and will again be dependent on electoral vote math in swing states. It worked for him in 2016 with Hillary being a weak/lazy candidate, but the Dems caught on that in 2020 and closed off that route. I very much doubt they will let that happen again - based on the current campaign schedule.

It remains to be seen if Harris can be a uniter. Looking at it objectively, she has erased a significant poll deficit and carved out a slim lead in two weeks, partly due to the "anyone is better than Bhaidanwa" effect, but also her own campaign. One has to give credit where due.
What I can say with some certainty:
Trump's selection of JD Vance as a running mate (as opposed to, say, Rubio or Haley or Stefaniuk) will help him a lot in the swing states. The swing states control the election outcome.
Disagree. Again, looking at it objectively as of now, Walz is more likely to hit Vance out of the park. The latter will not have enough impact in the three great lakes states nor in GA. I don't know about the other three. Again, I am not talking about their ideologies, but simply the dynamics of the election and campaign performance.
[*]Harris' selection of Walz (as opposed to Shapiro) was a stupid blunder that might cost her the election. With Shapiro as her running-mate she had a good chance to win Pennsylvania (and therefore, the election). By rejecting him she has, in effect, conceded PA. She was afraid that selecting him would anger the Hamas / Jihadi vote. The Walz selection will be wildly popular in all the left-wing big states (NY, CA, IL, the People's Republic of Minnesota and the Islamic Jumuhuriyat of Michigan), but those states were all locked in for the Dems anyway, Walz or no Walz.
I think that's a mistaken assumption. It does not work like that. Shapiro is extremely focused on the election campaign and is a heavy campaigner in PA. Based on the speeches from the three of them (Harris/Walz/Shapiro) yesterday in Philadelphia, there seems no bitterness or lack of coordination at all. His job will be now very specific, i.e. to ensure a win in PA which is the most important swing state - and he has plenty of experience winning elections in PA. That is a good way to utilize a highly popular governor.

On the other hand, Trump's campaign in Atlanta this week (another important swing state) appeared pathetic, with insults to the governor Kemp (who is also highly popular), former lt gov, and the state secretary - none of whom attended his rambling 90 minute speech to a sparse audience.

One can't adopt two different standards and then pretend to be objective.
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Isn't the Haris VP pick the guy who put up tampon dispenser machines in boys washrooms?

If so, then I don't see how this dude is going to smash JD Vance.
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Pratyush wrote: 08 Aug 2024 08:11 Isn't the Haris VP pick the guy who put up tampon dispenser machines in boys washrooms?

If so, then I don't see how this dude is going to smash JD Vance.
He is the guy that put tampon dispensers in all bathrooms. Some schools decided they want to support their local trans kid hence they used the funds to install them in boys bathrooms to where needed.

Regardless of the policy with trans people, I hope india does also include sanitary products in all female bathrooms. Will improve the quality of life measure for so many women.
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Pratyush wrote: 08 Aug 2024 08:11 Isn't the Haris VP pick the guy who put up tampon dispenser machines in boys washrooms?

If so, then I don't see how this dude is going to smash JD Vance.
Because quite simply Vance doesn't come off as relatable and Walz does. Vance has an awkwardness around his speeches and personality as if someone suddenly put him in the spotlight and he's still finding his feet whearas Walz appears much more comfortable.

People here may not agree but plain simple "likeability and relatability" of a politician can go a long ways in improving their chances. And Trump himself proved that connection to the voters can be a bigger thing than long speeches about policy

It is no surprise that the same polls that had Trump at +5 +6 advantage a month ago have now started to even out or even lead towards Kamala.
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^^^It’s better an attendant hands them out, otherwise stolen & used to set fire to something, which is common in Mogadishu (Minneapolis).

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AkshaySG wrote: 08 Aug 2024 09:30 Because quite simply Vance doesn't come off as relatable and Walz does. Vance has an awkwardness around his speeches and personality as if someone suddenly put him in the spotlight and he's still finding his feet whearas Walz appears much more comfortable.

People here may not agree but plain simple "likeability and relatability" of a politician can go a long ways in improving their chances. And Trump himself proved that connection to the voters can be a bigger thing than long speeches about policy

It is no surprise that the same polls that had Trump at +5 +6 advantage a month ago have now started to even out or even lead towards Kamala.
People aren't voting for Vance, they're voting for Trump. He's MAGA, he has the base.

Only reason polls are supporting Kamala is because big money lobbies pay for polls that project results they want.

All the polls were saying Hillary would beat Trump - but reality proved otherwise.

Kamala's running mate looks like a recycled version of Hillary's running mate Tim Kaine.
Hard to tell the 2 men apart physically - they must have been grown in adjacent test tubes.
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