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Rakesh wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 18:56
Pakis are really dumb. By suspending the Simla Agreement, they have made the Line of Control (LOC) null & void.
This throws open the door for India retaking PoK (at a time and place of its choosing) legally and militarily. Now that it has been suspended, Pakistan cannot "un" suspend the agreement...without India "re" acknowledging the terms of the agreement. These morons don't think before executing such gems of wisdom! Allah has ordained it, so it must be good onlee.
Wasn't Shimla agreement all about 'Aman ki Asha' and chai biskoot discussions without resorting to use of force to alter the boundaries? Now that it is void, why just limit it to LOC? Every sector is up for grabs. Keep the Pak fauj occupied on multiple sectors. Exhaust them financially and militarily. If they will be defending POK, India could end up becoming Balochistan's neighbor!
Correct all the geographic incongruencies and neuter Pakijab into a weak vassal state. All bordering nations must be made militarily weak so that they will never be able to become a security threat, now or in future.
RCase wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 23:00
Wasn't Shimla agreement all about 'Aman ki Asha' and chai biskoot discussions without resorting to use of force to alter the boundaries? Now that it is void, why just limit it to LOC? Every sector is up for grabs. Keep the Pak fauj occupied on multiple sectors. Exhaust them financially and militarily. If they will be defending POK, India could end up becoming Balochistan's neighbor!
Correct all the geographic incongruencies and neuter Pakijab into a weak vassal state. All bordering nations must be made militarily weak so that they will never be able to become a security threat, now or in future.
Indeed. Pakistan is long overdue for a Balkanization.
Post the Shimla Agreement, Field Marshal Manekshaw remarked to Indira Gandhi ---> "Bhutto made a monkey out of you."
Now is the perfect time to undo the mistake of the Shimla Agreement. The Pakis have already gone 50% of the way by suspending the agreement.
Start with PoK and work our way down from there. Pakistanis do not want to live in peace with India, because from day one they have been taught that the Hindu is their arch enemy. Pointless to rationalize with a neighbour, whose sole motivation of existence is to kill you.
Do salami slicing of borders to get advantageous areas. Xi should be told to STFU if he doesn’t want to be nookd. Bakis have been emboldened by the recent Gaza invasion of West and they don’t realise this is theatre sponsored by USAID etc. Mullah Munir must think stars have aligned.
my only wish is that we don’t do miserly stuff like send 1 Jaguar against 10 F16s etc.
Goi is sending unmistakable signals that no immediate military action should be expected. First was absence of CDS in CCS meeting photo, next was absence of military leaders from n APM, third is HM going to brief President.
IMO GoI is now going for gray zone warfare after suspending IWT. You heard it here first.
The intent is to make Pakis start a kinetic action.
It is official, India makes the Indus Water Treaty dysfunctional.
(India formally tells Terrorisan that Indus water treaty has been out at abeyance with immediate effect.)
Amber G. wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 23:25
It is official, India makes the Indus Water Treaty dysfunctional.
(India formally tells Terrorisan that Indus water treaty has been out at abeyance with immediate effect.)
It is time to strike the fountain head of the Paki terror apparatus - the Pak fauj jernails. Hit them where it hurts the most - their personal fortunes. The retribution should be public and humiliating, without giving them a fig leaf cover.
Taking out their prized erieyes, f16s and some of their subs would be a good start.. they would not have anything much to fight with.. also help ensure air superiority. It's the paki army and their jenails that need to suffer .. hope brahmos does what it is supposed to..get battle tested..along with prahar!
World Leaders who have called PM Modi to extend condolence over Pahalgam terror attack: (AFAIK- Add more)
Egyptian Prez Sisi
Italian PM Meloni
French Prez Macron
Japan PM Ishiba
Jordan King Abdullah II
Israel PM Netanyahu
Mauritius PM Ramgoolam
Nepal PM Oli
US Prez Trump
US VP Vance
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Y I Patel wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 23:24
Goi is sending unmistakable signals that no immediate military action should be expected. First was absence of CDS in CCS meeting photo, next was absence of military leaders from n APM, third is HM going to brief President.
IMO GoI is now going for gray zone warfare after suspending IWT. You heard it here first.
The intent is to make Pakis start a kinetic action.
Not a bad idea to slow cook the pakis in their own heat..the anticipation of what happens next... the paki army chief will now live in his bunker
A day after India took several diplomatic measures against Pakistan over the Pahalgam terror attack, Islamabad said Thursday it “shall exercise the right to hold all bilateral agreements with India, including but not limited to the Simla Agreement, in abeyance.”
just another data point:
earlier, PoK retaking had the additional character of the CPEC road passing through the area (so cheen can get involved)
with the CPEC in shambles.. this maybe a blessing for Cheen to use as pretext to drop CPEC. they anyways got the monies they wanted to get.
in the current geopolitical window, most countries are OK if we bomb Pakistan back to the stone age. China will make some noise but they will not risk any action. The Dumbo Paki Generals have miscalculated really bad this time.
Deans wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 19:28
Let's also assume that its a limited war. The world community get both sides to restrict military action to the area across the LOC (our actions are confined to POK) and avoid escalation by not using air power. Rules of engagement similar to Kargil, except that the army can cross the LOC.
Artillery and Air power can hit targets across the LOC while broadly staying on our side.
What are our options in this situation ?
Specifically:
1. What forces does each side have along the LOC. What additional forces can each deploy, without weakening their posture elsewhere.
2. Where can territory be captured.
3. What kind of strategy should we be looking at ?
4. What do we need to urgently to fix before a limited war starts ?
In order to inflict damage we need to be able to absorb damage too. Question is how much are we willing and able to absorb in lives (military and civilian), resources, equipment, and a potential long term economic downturn. What we can or should do depends on the answer to this very important question.
But one thing is certain, if there is to be a military response, there can be no half measures this time. And the targets have to be be very visibly the paki army personnel and facilities. Not launchpads and training camps for jihadi cannon-fodder. The attack has to be disproportionate and visible. And preparations need to be made to defend against the inevitable counter-attack and respond to it and so on. If that requires time, take the time. Either do it right or don't do it at all. Show them we don't give a shit about escalation. Surgical strikes or Balakot part 2 will not be enough this time. If that's all we have the stomach for, then better to concentrate on non-military responses like IWT suspension etc.
bharathp wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 23:59
just another data point:
earlier, PoK retaking had the additional character of the CPEC road passing through the area (so cheen can get involved)
with the CPEC in shambles.. this maybe a blessing for Cheen to use as pretext to drop CPEC. they anyways got the monies they wanted to get.
The BRI is well and truly alive..anyone who has travelled through China can tell you it's their equivalent of economic "union" ..on the lines of european union, nafta etc
I am not being jingoistic now but exploring the realities of poor investment over the years...
w.r.t to a balakot++ like strike I think our hands are tied because we haven't invested in quality deterrent, and our babu's / generals have wrapped all the deals in red tapes resulting in almost no acquisition for decades.
If we had > 100 Rafale with meteors, or 24 submarines to enforce a naval blockade, or few dozen 5th generation stealth fighters then we could have sent a decapitating action across line of control, not just destroy a hostel but destroy all top LeT & JeM leadership. I hope RM wakes up and does some emergency procurement now. Ditch the RFPs, go direct via G2G and beef up our assets to give our military significant edge, double the scorpene order, double ATAGS, get few dozen F35s, order hundreds more Prahaar and Brahmos.
We don't need 100+ rafales, order 100+ 155mm guns per month and open up on LOC. Between all the variants and suppliers, we should be able to hit those numbers.
Y I Patel wrote: ↑24 Apr 2025 23:24
Goi is sending unmistakable signals that no immediate military action should be expected. First was absence of CDS in CCS meeting photo, next was absence of military leaders from n APM, third is HM going to brief President.
IMO GoI is now going for gray zone warfare after suspending IWT. You heard it here first.
The intent is to make Pakis start a kinetic action.
Y I Patel ji, very informative post. Pakistan suspending Shimla agreement looks like a desperation to lure India into a conflict. You know better, but another possibility is India need atleast several days to prepare for a war. To collect intelligence, planning, practice and to move military assets to forward areas.
Sharing some military related information here; https://x.com/ani_digital/status/191541 ... 805KQ&s=19
The above news on IAF exercise mentioned only Meteor, and air to surface missiles Rampage and Rocks. As per a prominent defence handle Rampage and Rocks is the main stand-off weapons for IAF and Brahmos only for very high value targets since a year ago.
Karachi March 2025 imagery shows
- 2/5 Pak Navy submarines in the docks, long maintenance/upgrade cycles (still ongoing today)
- 1/5 Pak Navy submarine on land (still out of water today)
leaving them with 2 units in the water, not a good time for the PN sub surface fleet
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#TTP has blocked supply routes in Dera Ghazi Khan, south Punjab, #Pakistan. #PakArmy supplies to Multan and #Bhawalpur can be strongly affected.
When the Deputy Prime Minister of Pakistan calls terrorists “freedom fighters,” it’s not just a disgrace — it’s an open admission of state-sponsored terrorism.
Amber G. wrote: ↑25 Apr 2025 01:50
Israel offered unconditional support to India if any war happens between India and Pakistan post Pahalgam terrorist attack
Israel Foreign Minister Oren Marmorshtein said message to India -
"Israel will stand with you. This is what friends do. We stand with India"
great , we can help do what they wanted to decades back.. decapitate porkis nuclear program
VIDEO:https://x.com/erbmjha/status/1915442802491617765 ---> "The scale of retaliation will be unlike anything the world has ever seen, or will ever see again. People talk about the U.S. response to Osama. People talk about Israel’s response to Hamas. Soon, they’ll talk about India’s response to Pakistan". The govt is planning something big, just watch this declaration by Pradeep Bhandari.
The United States must support in any and every way any military response India conducts to the terrorist attack on Hindus in Pahalgam. Islamic terrorism must be eradicated whether their target is India, Israel, or us in America.
Modi wrote:
India will identify, track and punish every terrorist, their handlers and their backers.
The United States must support in any and every way any military response India conducts to the terrorist attack on Hindus in Pahalgam. Islamic terrorism must be eradicated whether their target is India, Israel, or us in America.
Just like how US supported Israel, they should support India , militarily.. the wheel would have turned a full circle !!
t is with great sadness we mourn yet another heinous terrorist attack suffered by our great friends in India. The brutal murder of Indian tourists in Kashmir was an unspeakable crime against innocent civilians. India and the U.S. share a tragic bond, having both faced the most depraved consequences of Islamist terrorism.
“We applaud President Trump’s recent decision to extradite to India the plotter behind the deadly 2008 Mumbai terrorist attack, Tahawwur Rana. And we urge the Trump administration to break new boundaries strengthening counterterrorism cooperation with India."
“Finally, if this attack, like so many of its predecessors, is traced back to Pakistan, there must be accountability. Pakistan’s use of terrorism as a proxy—from Afghanistan to Kashmir to Mumbai—has been a scourge that has set the region ablaze for too long.”
The Heritage Foundation today released the following statement from Jeff Smith, director of Heritage's Asian Studies Center.
His son, Naksh Kalthia, says, "We were at the 'mini Switzerland' point in Pahalgam, J&K. We heard gunshots... We hid once we realised that terrorists had entered the area. But, they found us. We saw two terrorists. I heard one of them ordered all the men to separate into Muslims and Hindus, and then shot all the Hindu men. The terrorists asked the men to recite 'Kalma' three times... All those who could not recite it were shot. Once the terrorists left, the locals came and said that all those who had survived should go downhill immediately. The army arrived an hour or so after we climbed down from the point... The terrorists were not letting him (my father) speak at all...They did not say anything (to my mother)...One of the terrorists was fair and had a beard. He had a camera tied to his head...They spared the women and the children..
An Indian Army special forces para commando was killed in action, and two others sustained injuries during a fierce encounter with terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir’s Udhampur district on Thursday, two days after the Pahalgam terror attack, sources said.
The gunfight broke out during a search operation launched by the security forces in the area, following inputs about the presence of terrorists.
According to sources, the soldier who laid down his life was a para commando from the elite special forces unit of the Indian Army. The two injured personnel also belong to the same battalion. The martyred soldier was Hav Jhantu Ali Shaikh of 6 PARA SF, the Indian Army said.
“His indomitable courage and the valour of his team will never be forgotten. We stand in solidarity with the bereaved family in this moment of grief,” the Army said.
Many of us, Indian Americans, are asking their elected leaders to stand with the victims of terrorism in this crucial hour.. IMO this type of message is critical..
I welcome this unequivocal support shown to India by the US Department of Defense.
We extend our support to our great ally India in the face of this recent brutal terrorist attack. India is a model ally that takes its own defense with utmost seriousness. We stand with them in this dark hour.
