India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[A_Gupta]

What is relevant is to understand the fault lines in the US polity and society and how those can be exploited by Indian policy makers. 30K feet view is important so is the view from 5K feet, 1K feet down to congressional district bu congressional district. That is what IFS/MEA folks need to do. Obviously it is time and resource consuming. Automation, big data, think tanks etc. will help.

Yeah, Indian policy makers are going to exploit the differences between AOC and Pelosi, or are going to help redistrict Texas.. And nothing said on BRF is going to help in any way in that.

About issues that concern India:

Attempts at direct influence will be counter-productive. Nobody likes that kind of foreign interference. Further it is dangerous, especially now, for non-citizens to seem to step over the legal limits on political activity. for their particular legal status. In fact, naturalized citizens who have any blemish in their record should avoid drawing attention to themselves.

If the power lies with Congress, US citizens of Indian origin + sympathetic Jewish lobby can be nudged to lobby. BRF can serve to raise awareness among the US citizens who read it.

If power lies with the President, then the situation is more difficult, because you may not have people with a direct line to the President.

About issues that are local to US citizens of Indian origin: this will require local organization; and should be done. But BRF is Bharat-Rakshak, IMO, the only legitimate use is to recruit people from here to the appropriate forums. What is happening in Santa Clara, say, Congressman Ro Khanna's district, is not for a Bharat-centric forum.

I am not an admin neither do I aspire to be one

Reading your replies to me over the months, I would find it hard to believe so.

[Tanaji]

The Pakistanis are claiming the Mr Trump will visit Pakistan in September and before India. Of course there is no official confirmation.

[gakakkad]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 025-07-17/

Already withdrawn .

Also if you look at the archived version of the above Reuters page or even the current metadata Reuters was quoting the initial porki report verbatim . Indicating how paaki pasand is western press .

[Vayutuvan]

I am not an admin neither do I aspire to be one

Reading your replies to me over the months, I would find it hard to believe so.

You believe what you want. That said, please cough up some evidence, i.e. point out posts which give an impression that I want to be an admin of BRF. I haven't contributed any content to BRF main site or elsewhere anyway.

[Vayutuvan]

Yeah, Indian policy makers are going to exploit the differences between AOC and Pelosi, or are going to help redistrict Texas.. And nothing said on BRF is going to help in any way in that.

Looks like you don't have a good opinion about Indian policy makers. Not all St. Stephens folks are dumb. Some graduated from IIT even. By the way you never complained here on BRF when Obama and Biden were exceeding their remit. Now you say that Trump is going to become a dictator. Looks like you are swallowing "resist". After 9/11, some POI US citizens started wearing bindi/bottu and started flying US flags in front of their homes.


INDI alliance (influenced by Dems I am guessing) used the same argument Dems are using against Trump against Modi ji , i.e. he is autocratic who will never step down. He is also accused of being anti-muslim (you yourself said that BJP leaders seem to be anti-muslim in another thread) just like they are accusing Trump now.

Now your throwing shade on me very subtly. You can ignore my posts. That doesn't stop me from questioning your posts. As long as I am respectful, you should not have problem.

[A_Gupta]

^^^ after the enthusiastic (/s) welcome you gave me when I reappeared here after a long absence I was ignoring you for a long while.

And it has nothing to do with Indian competence. India attempting constituency level political interference in the US would no more be tolerated than US interference in India.

The US allows for registered foreign agents, and lobbying by citizen interest groups that could be in favor (or against, as with some leftist and Islamist groups) their country of origin.

[A_Gupta]

India makes it clear that its energy strategy will be dictated by the “best offer” available, even as the U.S. threatens secondary sanctions on Russian oil supplies. The Ministry of External Affairs stated that securing affordable energy is a top priority, while warning against double standards as European countries continue to import Russian gas. Watch full here.

Here: https://youtu.be/EvPABzUjn4s?si=nP51tCZgJKptIBUX

And

Hardeep Puri Speaks to Palki Sharma on Trump's Secondary Tariffs & Russian Oil Sanctions Threat | N18G

While commenting on US President Donald Trump’s secondary tariff threat against countries buying Russian oil, including India, Union Petroleum Minister Hardeep Singh Puri said that India has diversified its sources of buying oil. Puri, the Union Minister of Petroleum and Natural Gas, was in conversation with Firstpost’s Managing Editor, Palki Sharma. Claiming that India was not facing any pressure over Trump's new threat, Puri said: "I am not worried at all. We will deal with it."
He added that his ministry is working on oil exploration in India, and that they're also supporting the private oil companies working on the same.
What else did the minister say about global oil supply challenges, the possibility of getting oil from Iran, and new oil exploration technology in the age of artificial intelligence? Tune in to the full conversation with Palki Sharma now.

Here
https://youtu.be/VJ47jXnb1pk?si=BAsKDGjsMgffhHFq

[Vayutuvan]

India attempting constituency level political interference in the US would no more be tolerated than US interference in India.

I am not calling for Indian interference at constituency level. General public/midlevel aafsaar class in India view the US as a monolithic entity. They come away with the impression that US is Trump/Biden/Obama/Bush and Trump/Biden/Obama/Bush is the US.

I strive to wake them up to the DDM chaploosi to DNC and the globalists of Europe.

But you seem to have some kind of "with me or against me" mentality just like Dubya. I have to agree with you on everything or you would want to disagree with me on everything. Probably makes sense now that dubya has become a darling of DNC and DNC boosters of your ilk.

That kind of dogmatic block voting is what got Dems in to trouble in 2024. Young black men did not vote for KD due to Obama's hectoring. Elitist PRCA progressives never learn.

[Vayutuvan]

^^^ after the enthusiastic (/s) welcome you gave me when I reappeared here after a long absence I was ignoring you for a long while.

I welcomed you with great enthusiasm because I was greatly impressed by your utter humility.

[Vayutuvan]

@A_Gupta, what makes you think I don't support collective action? The problem for me is when we have to make common truck with those who are inimical hindu and indian causes. Also, I can't abide by those PIOs who think that whites/hispanics are racist and/or fundoo subhumans. For example, Vivek Ramaswamy's X post on X'mas day.

Just like I object to Wendy's children's characterization of Ganesha, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, I also object to Paris Olympics organizers allowing floats making fun of Xtianity.

That said, I would rather give my money directly to people who are hurting locally. No political donations from me other than $3 each - self and my wife - on the tax returns to goto presidential elections.

I don;t have to be you nor am I asking you to be me and line up behind me. Free country, hain ji?

[Rudradev]

Whites and Hispanics, by and large, are definitely racist where Indians are concerned and fundamentalist where Hindus are concerned.

If cornered one-on-one very few of them (at least educated ones) will admit directly to their prejudices; most will become defensive. The obvious giveaway is in how they respond en masse (with approving/disapproving opinions) to every issue of public policy proposals or public debate that has the capacity to impact Indians/Hindus. Whether at the Federal Level (H1Bs, GCs) or at the Local Level (zoning for a temple site) or anywhere in between.

They do not like us being here, want fewer of us here, and want those who stay here to (1) become culturally invisible (2) be willing to compete with hands tied behind our backs so that they and their offspring can "win".

No amount of pathetic MAGA-cosplay sycophancy by PIOs is ever going to change any of that.

[Cyrano]

Ex US ambassador Garshiity openly and proudly talked about subnational engagement while standing on Indian soil.

They have been doing it for decades, and funding via USAID, NED etc.

The new India since 2014 knows how to pay back in the same coin, won't hesitate to do so, at a time and in a way of it's choice.

[A_Gupta]

Garcetti's term finished in January. As far as I can tell, Trump has not nominated a new ambassador to the US. Meanwhile visitor visa interview wait times in Delhi average 8 months. Strange relationship this one.

As far as I can tell, in the G20, the US does not have ambassadors to India and South Africa.

[gakakkad]

Whites and Hispanics, by and large, are definitely racist where Indians are concerned and fundamentalist where Hindus are concerned.

If cornered one-on-one very few of them (at least educated ones) will admit directly to their prejudices; most will become defensive. The obvious giveaway is in how they respond en masse (with approving/disapproving opinions) to every issue of public policy proposals or public debate that has the capacity to impact Indians/Hindus. Whether at the Federal Level (H1Bs, GCs) or at the Local Level (zoning for a temple site) or anywhere in between.

They do not like us being here, want fewer of us here, and want those who stay here to (1) become culturally invisible (2) be willing to compete with hands tied behind our backs so that they and their offspring can "win".

No amount of pathetic MAGA-cosplay sycophancy by PIOs is ever going to change any of that.

There are decent numbers of whites who genuinely respect Hinduism and Indians . They are mainly well educated folks with decent desi exposure .

On the whole the racism we encounter is a combination of ignorance ,jealousy and piss ops .

Most people truly believe the nonsense they read about caste system and they think it is what defines Hinduism .

All the antisemitic stereotypes are also rebadged to us .

All the east Asian stereotypes are also rebadged to us .

So the hate we get =hinduphobia + Asian phobia + antisemitism+ all the propaganda that isloos spread + all the Marxist propaganda+ all the white supreme ass propaganda

We are by far the most polarizing of all races out there .

Some of it has to do with our own dhimmitude as well. The recent shoplifting incident was greatly amplified by Indian social media/ MSM. Would have been a forgotten incident otherwise.
Indians have the lowest crime rate of any ethnicity out there in the west . No desi seemed to care as they were busy trolling on the lady .

In India pak skirmish the lefts views were whatever the MSM peddled them that was India bad aggressor . Just like Israel .

There were a portions of far right that overtly supported the porkies . Jackson hinkle , Fuentes etc . You can see that supported Iran against Israel recently as well . You got to realize that just like their hatred for Jews is fundamental, their hatred for Hindu is also primal /fundamental.

We need not simp for any side . We should replicate what AIPAC did . They accepted the fact that no matter what they do they are not going to get liked . They influence ,penetrate ,attack both sides as and when needed .

[sanjaykumar]

Yes that shoplifting incident was catastrophised.

But open a newspaper in Canada on any day, you will see mugshots of brown men staring back at you.

It may be comforting to dismiss them as Sikhs. But do you think the mainstream cares? These are not shoplifters. The crimes are as serious as they get.

One can’t be selective.

[Prem Kumar]

We need not simp for any side . We should replicate what AIPAC did . They accepted the fact that no matter what they do they are not going to get liked . They influence ,penetrate ,attack both sides as and when needed .

Well said. Hindus need to stop trying to find answers for Why do they hate us? and deal with it. "They" hate us because they are douches, racists and scums. There is nothing to be had by currying favors with them

For the last few decades, Indians have embodied the idea of working hard, keeping your head down, assimilate to the best you can, be law abiding and generally be patriotic to the adopted motherland. Now, the community is vilified/envied precisely because of the above qualities

They don't want cheap-labor + they don't want high-end labor = they don't want brown-labor

Indians in the US need to aggressively fight for their rights, play ruthless politics & employ saam/dhaan/bhedh/dhand to further our goals. No more "Mr Nice Guy Appu"

The wolf was always there behind the sheep's facade. Now, its starting to bare its fangs. In a nation's history, sometimes principles take a life on their own. When the Founding Fathers laid down the rules that *all are equal before the law, fundamental rights* etc, they were not just lofty principles but were also based on an assumption that the US would be a White Man's land. Over time, these principles became enshrined as a way of life and was extended to all non-Whites (much to the credit of the US society). But there was always an undercurrent that *these principles* were not universal & that they applied only to White folks. This undercurrent has gained full steam now. The Pew Report released a few years back set the cat amongst the pigeons

[Tanaji]

There is then the social media aspect. Algorithms role across platforms like YouTube and Facebook. Its all about engagement and when a non Indian puts out a video about unhygienic roadside food practices or caste system or any such type of topic, a lot of Indians comment which drives up the engagement which causes more of such types of videos to recommended in the feed which then causes the youtuber to make more such videos and the cycle repeats.

Add to the fact that Pakistani and other pure users vote up such videos in large numbers further adds to it