Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

[A_Gupta]

I think the casual dismissal of their independence and sovereignty contributes to Nepali dislike of Indians.

Like Canada as US 51st state.

[KL Dubey]

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That's not correct. Nepal and Bhutan should be integrated into Bharat at the earliest. The people can be integrated relatively quickly.....

Have they expressed such a desire ?

Did J&K, or Hyderabad, express such a desire ? Was there any referendum for Goa ?

The ruler of Nepal offered integration but Banditji looked the other way.

[KL Dubey]

I think the casual dismissal of their independence and sovereignty contributes to Nepali dislike of Indians.

Like Canada as US 51st state.

Totally different situations. We've been through this BS argument before.

Bharat is a civilizational state, and Nepal and Bhutan are part of Bharat from time immemorial. The "independence" of Nepal and Bhutan was negotiated with the British, not with Bharat. There were many "princely" states in 1947 that "believed" they were better off independent and sovereign. People like Banditji had the same argument as the one you state. Luckily Patel was around. It's always those "few good men(/women)" that make the difference, quixotic referendums are not always the answer. As has been amply shown over 7 decades, neither Nepal nor Bhutan is a viable independent country.

USA and Kanadda are both new-world countries that evolved differently at the same time. Whatever be the merits of their claims, the situation is totally irrelevant vis-a-vis Bharat. Kanadda can function independently of the US, but Nepal and Bhutan are almost entirely dependent on Bharat.

The "dislike of Indians" by Nepalis, BDs, and Pawkees stems from the indoctrination and false information they have received by their education system and political class since 1950. This indoctrination is aimed at erasing their cultural roots in Bharat and imposing a new and fake identity.

[gakakkad]

Chicha Nehru is a gift that keeps on giving .

[KL Dubey]

There is nothing that indicates RA&W was involved, Balen seems to be the lead runner and he is just as anti-India as others. Why would RAW undertake an operation of this scale to replace one anti-India, Chinese puppet with another? Nepal is going to swing from crisis to crisis, India once again finds itself in catch-22 situation where not doing anything would mean allowing the Chinese (and even Pakis) to further infiltrate Nepal, and doing something means spending billions of rupees to only get more hate in return.

I guess a part of successful intelligence operations is to "leave no traces"- so, logically the argument "nothing indicates RAW hand" is not valid.

It could be a spontaneous uprising, but I mean to say that India has worked to create that environment.

I didn't say RAW is supporting Balendra Shah. Perhaps they are trying to create space for RPP instead.

As for Balendra Shah, he is indeed a India-hater, and if he continues that, he too will fail to see reality, make a mess of things and go the way of Ollie (or Yunus in BD). Or he could put up a pragmatic approach to India like the Maldivian guy (forgot his name).

Anyway, all these "India-hating" Nepali "elite" riffraff, whoever they are, need a tight collective b!tchslap - they can't survive 2 weeks without Indian largesse and friendship. Modi sarkar has been too kind and may continue that for a while.

[SRajesh]

^^A constitutional monarchy with a heavy Army hand maybe??
Is this possible at all
I know an ex-Sc judge has been hand picked but she turn out just like Your Anus!!
Given that the Army Chief addressed the nation with a Photo of King, what does this mean??
Is he hinting at the return of the kings??

[Vayutuvan]

[KL Dubey]

This "dislike of India in Nepal" subject perhaps deserves more study.

E.g., "common" Nepalis and Nepali temples wholeheartedly celebrated the consecration of Ayodhya janmabhumi.

However, PM OIlie claimed Ram was not born in India and he was instead a Nepali, and Ayodhya janmabhumi is fake. Is this a traditional Nepali belief, and if so, what and when does it originate from ? Or is it cooked up recently to create a fake identity ?

Nepal school textbooks are available online. I haven't looked at them yet.

[S_Madhukar]

There’s so many foreigners in Nepal for tourism and mountaineering it is easy for them to run influence ops against us. Lot of middle classes have also migrated abroad, they will always be encouraged to say we are not Indian. Same problem is in NE as well and we are just blind to it. The refrain will be - You look different - But you are not really Indian are you !
Casual racism against Indians is encouraged by some bad tourists like oh you guys are so handsome, strong etc etc
Younger generation is more vulnerable.
We need to fence that border for good. As a taxpayer hurts me that everyone takes us for granted and we don’t see real benefits of those relationships.
When we become rich and powerful none of this will matter. Even Han will claim they have desi heritage so will the neighbourhood

[KL Dubey]

^^Makes no sense to fence the India-Nepal border, unless you want the CCP to go ahead and build roads into Nepal through the himalayas and come right to the border of UK, UP, and BH. Instead we need to erase this border sooner than later.

[KL Dubey]

The latest:

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/ ... rim-leader

Sushila Karki: ex-CJ, a graduate of BHU Varanasi, is likely the interim PM. Another contender named Balendra Shah was dropped and now supports her. If this goes down as claimed in the article, Karki will oversee a new election.

Such an election will be interesting since the commie and pinko parties seem to be the subject of mass anger amongst the people. Will the Hindutva party RPP come into power?

It seems the RPP is very much connected to the "Gen Z" protests (and had been leading most of the previous protests). See this clip:

https://www.news9live.com/videos/world- ... hy-2887435

Also: https://ddnews.gov.in/en/gen-z-leaders- ... minister/

The DD News article mentions one RK Hamal who is among the "leaders" selecting the interim PM candidate. This guy is a central committee member of RPP. Just 1 day ago, he was arrested by police (https://english.khabarhub.com/2025/09/495138/)...and today he is selecting the interim PM

Meanwhile, back in Dec 2024 the RPP chairman claimed his party will lead the next government, possibly before the next election. Just bravado, or did he know/expect something to happen ?

https://en.himalpress.com/rpp-will-lead ... s-lingden/

Rastriya Prajatantra Party (RPP) Chairperson Rajendra Lingden has said that his party may lead the government before the 2027 election.

Addressing the Birtamod Municipal Legislative on Sunday, Lingden said the time has come for the RPP to lead the nation. “If it is not possible before the 2027 election, we will lead the country by becoming the largest political force in the country in the 2027 election,” he added.

[A_Gupta]

Sheikh Abdullah and Maharaja of Kashmir both asked to be part of India. The people of Hyderabad by a majority wanted to be part of India. Likewise with Goa.

Nepal was never annexed to British India. Nepal never offered to join India, no matter how much claims to the contrary are used to calumnize Nehru. (There needs to be some standard applied to a “offer”, otherwise, yes, Trump has a gazillion trade deals with promises of 17 trillion dollars of investment in the US, just because Trump says so. Since Pranab Mukherjee was in his late teens when this alleged offer was made, he had to have heard it from someone or read it from some source, so who/what was it?)

How many centuries does one have to exist before becoming a “civilizational state”? USA and Canada belong to the same civilization. They have additional basis for separate nationhood, yes. But they too could be a civilizational state.

[Manish_P]

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E.g., "common" Nepalis and Nepali temples wholeheartedly celebrated the consecration of Ayodhya janmabhumi.
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Hindu indians whole heartedly liked the opening of temple in the Gulf. Doesn't mean we want to integrate with it.

[Vayutuvan]

Hindu indians whole heartedly liked the opening of temple in the Gulf. Doesn't mean we want to integrate with it.

Saar, apples vs oranges. Nepal is a hindu rashtra and contiguous with Bharat. It is in the Indian subcontinent.

[Manish_P]

Saar, apples vs oranges. Nepal is a hindu rashtra and contiguous with Bharat. It is in the Indian subcontinent.

And yet we have lived happily and respectfully (for the most part) as separate entities.

Just to be clear - i am for the integration. If it comes from the people - unambiguously, vocally at the social and political levels.

Like the two germanies (not the perfect example I know)

However I repeat - have their been demands, from Nepal, for integration with India in the past. At any substantial level.

[Vayutuvan]

As long as we are not a Hindu rashtra, why would Nepalese want to integrate with ROI, hain jee?!

[chetak]

^^Makes no sense to fence the India-Nepal border, unless you want the CCP to go ahead and build roads into Nepal through the himalayas and come right to the border of UK, UP, and BH. Instead we need to erase this border sooner than later.

we need to fence all Indian territory period

erasing of borders is insanity or people proposing these preposterous ideas do not have India's supreme national interests at heart or they are dyed in the wool commies in the soreass mold

every nation has defined borders. Name one that does not, even the canadian border is defined legally

we are a stupidly soft state with a vulnerable underbelly that is exploited by outsiders and we have no sense of a singular, civilizationally defining, cultural identity that should resonate with her citizens.

This is not how India defines secularism. We have been forcibly saddled with the gora version that is not relevant to our society or our cultural ethos

this is what the effing jihadi commies, paid by the BIF, did to India when they "wrote our history", post 1947

NGOs and foreign foundations still dictate our policies. we are still ruled by white skin imports who are venerated by illiterate dumbshit and we are unable to legally handle this situation

If the borders are soft, allowing in scum and along with their treacherous ideas, it will eventually degrade and contaminate the constitution, leaving us complacent and callously uncaring.

NAC, pushed by an import, happened right in our face, RTE, the now junked communal violence bill and other anti majority legislations were rammed through. Whose agenda was it. What happened to our democracy at that point in time

we will handle the cheeni roads if and when it happens.

Roads, just like rome, are not built in a day. and they all know, that by now, we also know how to kick butt, be it cheen, paki, khalistani, or beedi or even commie

[Manish_P]

As long as we are not a Hindu rashtra, why would Nepalese want to integrate with ROI, hain jee?!

Bingo

Actually had read some years ago (in the 90s) that the Nepalese were happy they were not part of the north east due to the huge conversions allowed there by the secular indian state...

[Manish_P]

we need to fence all Indian territory period

Chetak sir, K L Dubey ji has proposed Nepal integrating into Bharat.

After that happens, we can remove the fence in between and shift it to the other side border of Nepal.

Both of you (and me) will be pleased with that right.

[rajkumar]

The US Might Try To Manipulate Nepal Into Weaponizing Its Revived Border Dispute With India

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... pute-india

The student-driven riots that were putatively sparked by the state’s banning of social media after top platforms failed to register in line with the law might be a front for ultra-nationalist extremists backed by the West in a remix of summer 2024’s Bangladeshi regime change model.

Nepal formally complained in late August after China and India agreed to resume their border trade through the Lipulekh crossing. Newly ousted Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli also brought it up during his meeting with President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the SCO Summit in Tianjin. Kathmandu lays claim to this territory and a mountainous sliver beyond per a colonial-era dispute but only rigorously began pursuing it in the run-up to summer 2020’s Sino-Indo clashes......

Interesting read and so happy that Trump & Elon dismanted USAID

[chetak]

we need to fence all Indian territory period

Chetak sir, K L Dubey ji has proposed Nepal integrating into Bharat.

After that happens, we can remove the fence in between and shift it to the other side border of Nepal.

Both of you (and me) will be pleased with that right.

Manish ji.

You know that I hold you and your views in high regard, and also not wishing to rain on anyone's parade, let me make a few observations

What is this new disease that has affected us, that of integration of other independent and sovereign states into the Hindu rashtra of India. We were brutally colonized, nepal was not. Our world views are very different and may be even unreconcilable.

If today India has told the amrikis to bugger off, it is largely because India knows what it was like to live under the colonial yoke and the harm that was done to us as a civilization. We will never allow a repeat performance of being colonized ever again, which is what the dumbfcuk amrikis are trying their darndest to do, while foolishly pretending that it is all about "russki oil"

who are we to make such proposals and why. do the nepalese clamor for this or have they ever expressed such a desire. Who is going to foot the bills of these bhooka nangas, don't we have enough bhooka nangas at home whom we should first integrate into the Indian state and uplift

do people here have any idea of what the nepalese think of Indians, they have a visceral hatred for us, just like the pakis, beedis, lankans and maldivians do when they think of India and Indians

nepal, though Hindu, is an alien society for us. They have evolved organically, and we have evolved differently but not entirely organically and certainly not as purely as the nepalis.

If they come into the Indian fold, what political and cultural power can they hope to wield here. Will they be allowed to flourish politically and what about their abrahamics. Do we have answers for them, or will they force a partition of nepal and open yet another hostile border with India.

The amrikis and the cheen are both very deeply invested in nepal, What are they going to say and do

Nepali Hindus run schools in nepal but they will not be allowed to do so in India. Will they accept the mughal dominating Indian history via NCERT, or will they insist on being taught their own history without mughals and persians

The thought of integration is simplistic but the solutions and implementations are hugely complex, maybe even beyond us

yes there are the odd nut case wagah kandle kissers but they are the extreme exceptions and not the rule.

we cannot afford such a mass ingress of outsiders, no nation can, because demography defines destiny. If parts of society pull in different directions, our own future is dead. They will affect our economy, scar the society and rekindle the caste and reservation issues with new dimensions and bring in even more divisiveness.

Huge and ancient Hindu temples are there in bali, indonesia, myanmar, whatever, These don't interest us so what's special about nepal's temples.....just asking onlee. We sometimes pray there and they sometimes pray here and then, everyone goes home

If it just an utopian desire for a Hindu "ummah", then we should see how the jihadi ummah has fared and take note

outsiders read such rubbish about "integration" on Indian websites and it really pisses them off. Just like trump royally pissed off at least two generations of unforgiving canucks

Let us quietly manage what we have in hand, and hope like hell that Modiji lives and reigns for a very long time.

[S_Madhukar]

To add to Chetakji, policy of GoI is correct to have friendly countries and neighbours where we do fair trade and end up having long term positive influence . I would want to add we need to have some strong arm influences as well but better to have locals do it themselves.

Empire building essentially gives up on that and leads to wealth hording, see the last 2 WASP empires. Specially now with so called global community etc it is difficult to expand, otherwise Han can easily expand more into SEA.
In an era of victimhood let’s not create more on our borders.

While virtual online borders are difficult to fence the ones on the ground are clear and visible and really no one goes to bed worried there is a border since it is on a map anyway ! Who wants to man frozen Himalayas we already have our half!

Finally what brand of Hindu are we? In Nepal they have mixed tribal traditions as well with animal sacrifices, buffalo meat consumption etc. Now imagine this happening in your neighbourhood. Or imagine miyas migrating to vicinity of Pashupatinath. Let’s not export our troubles to a hermit kingdom

Too much work left for us to do yet, let’s not get distracted