Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

[A_Gupta]

I think the casual dismissal of their independence and sovereignty contributes to Nepali dislike of Indians.

Like Canada as US 51st state.

[KL Dubey]

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That's not correct. Nepal and Bhutan should be integrated into Bharat at the earliest. The people can be integrated relatively quickly.....

Have they expressed such a desire ?

Did J&K, or Hyderabad, express such a desire ? Was there any referendum for Goa ?

The ruler of Nepal offered integration but Banditji looked the other way.

[KL Dubey]

I think the casual dismissal of their independence and sovereignty contributes to Nepali dislike of Indians.

Like Canada as US 51st state.

Totally different situations. We've been through this BS argument before.

Bharat is a civilizational state, and Nepal and Bhutan are part of Bharat from time immemorial. The "independence" of Nepal and Bhutan was negotiated with the British, not with Bharat. There were many "princely" states in 1947 that "believed" they were better off independent and sovereign. People like Banditji had the same argument as the one you state. Luckily Patel was around. It's always those "few good men(/women)" that make the difference, quixotic referendums are not always the answer. As has been amply shown over 7 decades, neither Nepal nor Bhutan is a viable independent country.

USA and Kanadda are both new-world countries that evolved differently at the same time. Whatever be the merits of their claims, the situation is totally irrelevant vis-a-vis Bharat. Kanadda can function independently of the US, but Nepal and Bhutan are almost entirely dependent on Bharat.

The "dislike of Indians" by Nepalis, BDs, and Pawkees stems from the indoctrination and false information they have received by their education system and political class since 1950. This indoctrination is aimed at erasing their cultural roots in Bharat and imposing a new and fake identity.

[gakakkad]

Chicha Nehru is a gift that keeps on giving .

[KL Dubey]

There is nothing that indicates RA&W was involved, Balen seems to be the lead runner and he is just as anti-India as others. Why would RAW undertake an operation of this scale to replace one anti-India, Chinese puppet with another? Nepal is going to swing from crisis to crisis, India once again finds itself in catch-22 situation where not doing anything would mean allowing the Chinese (and even Pakis) to further infiltrate Nepal, and doing something means spending billions of rupees to only get more hate in return.

I guess a part of successful intelligence operations is to "leave no traces"- so, logically the argument "nothing indicates RAW hand" is not valid.

It could be a spontaneous uprising, but I mean to say that India has worked to create that environment.

I didn't say RAW is supporting Balendra Shah. Perhaps they are trying to create space for RPP instead.

As for Balendra Shah, he is indeed a India-hater, and if he continues that, he too will fail to see reality, make a mess of things and go the way of Ollie (or Yunus in BD). Or he could put up a pragmatic approach to India like the Maldivian guy (forgot his name).

Anyway, all these "India-hating" Nepali "elite" riffraff, whoever they are, need a tight collective b!tchslap - they can't survive 2 weeks without Indian largesse and friendship. Modi sarkar has been too kind and may continue that for a while.

[SRajesh]

^^A constitutional monarchy with a heavy Army hand maybe??
Is this possible at all
I know an ex-Sc judge has been hand picked but she turn out just like Your Anus!!
Given that the Army Chief addressed the nation with a Photo of King, what does this mean??
Is he hinting at the return of the kings??

[Vayutuvan]

[KL Dubey]

This "dislike of India in Nepal" subject perhaps deserves more study.

E.g., "common" Nepalis and Nepali temples wholeheartedly celebrated the consecration of Ayodhya janmabhumi.

However, PM OIlie claimed Ram was not born in India and he was instead a Nepali, and Ayodhya janmabhumi is fake. Is this a traditional Nepali belief, and if so, what and when does it originate from ? Or is it cooked up recently to create a fake identity ?

Nepal school textbooks are available online. I haven't looked at them yet.

[S_Madhukar]

There’s so many foreigners in Nepal for tourism and mountaineering it is easy for them to run influence ops against us. Lot of middle classes have also migrated abroad, they will always be encouraged to say we are not Indian. Same problem is in NE as well and we are just blind to it. The refrain will be - You look different - But you are not really Indian are you !
Casual racism against Indians is encouraged by some bad tourists like oh you guys are so handsome, strong etc etc
Younger generation is more vulnerable.
We need to fence that border for good. As a taxpayer hurts me that everyone takes us for granted and we don’t see real benefits of those relationships.
When we become rich and powerful none of this will matter. Even Han will claim they have desi heritage so will the neighbourhood

[KL Dubey]

^^Makes no sense to fence the India-Nepal border, unless you want the CCP to go ahead and build roads into Nepal through the himalayas and come right to the border of UK, UP, and BH. Instead we need to erase this border sooner than later.

[KL Dubey]

The latest:

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/ ... rim-leader

Sushila Karki: ex-CJ, a graduate of BHU Varanasi, is likely the interim PM. Another contender named Balendra Shah was dropped and now supports her. If this goes down as claimed in the article, Karki will oversee a new election.

Such an election will be interesting since the commie and pinko parties seem to be the subject of mass anger amongst the people. Will the Hindutva party RPP come into power?

It seems the RPP is very much connected to the "Gen Z" protests (and had been leading most of the previous protests). See this clip:

https://www.news9live.com/videos/world- ... hy-2887435

Also: https://ddnews.gov.in/en/gen-z-leaders- ... minister/

The DD News article mentions one RK Hamal who is among the "leaders" selecting the interim PM candidate. This guy is a central committee member of RPP. Just 1 day ago, he was arrested by police (https://english.khabarhub.com/2025/09/495138/)...and today he is selecting the interim PM

Meanwhile, back in Dec 2024 the RPP chairman claimed his party will lead the next government, possibly before the next election. Just bravado, or did he know/expect something to happen ?

https://en.himalpress.com/rpp-will-lead ... s-lingden/

Rastriya Prajatantra Party (RPP) Chairperson Rajendra Lingden has said that his party may lead the government before the 2027 election.

Addressing the Birtamod Municipal Legislative on Sunday, Lingden said the time has come for the RPP to lead the nation. “If it is not possible before the 2027 election, we will lead the country by becoming the largest political force in the country in the 2027 election,” he added.

[A_Gupta]

Sheikh Abdullah and Maharaja of Kashmir both asked to be part of India. The people of Hyderabad by a majority wanted to be part of India. Likewise with Goa.

Nepal was never annexed to British India. Nepal never offered to join India, no matter how much claims to the contrary are used to calumnize Nehru. (There needs to be some standard applied to a “offer”, otherwise, yes, Trump has a gazillion trade deals with promises of 17 trillion dollars of investment in the US, just because Trump says so. Since Pranab Mukherjee was in his late teens when this alleged offer was made, he had to have heard it from someone or read it from some source, so who/what was it?)

How many centuries does one have to exist before becoming a “civilizational state”? USA and Canada belong to the same civilization. They have additional basis for separate nationhood, yes. But they too could be a civilizational state.

[Manish_P]

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E.g., "common" Nepalis and Nepali temples wholeheartedly celebrated the consecration of Ayodhya janmabhumi.
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Hindu indians whole heartedly liked the opening of temple in the Gulf. Doesn't mean we want to integrate with it.

[Vayutuvan]

Hindu indians whole heartedly liked the opening of temple in the Gulf. Doesn't mean we want to integrate with it.

Saar, apples vs oranges. Nepal is a hindu rashtra and contiguous with Bharat. It is in the Indian subcontinent.

[Manish_P]

Saar, apples vs oranges. Nepal is a hindu rashtra and contiguous with Bharat. It is in the Indian subcontinent.

And yet we have lived happily and respectfully (for the most part) as separate entities.

Just to be clear - i am for the integration. If it comes from the people - unambiguously, vocally at the social and political levels.

Like the two germanies (not the perfect example I know)

However I repeat - have their been demands, from Nepal, for integration with India in the past. At any substantial level.

[Vayutuvan]

As long as we are not a Hindu rashtra, why would Nepalese want to integrate with ROI, hain jee?!

[chetak]

^^Makes no sense to fence the India-Nepal border, unless you want the CCP to go ahead and build roads into Nepal through the himalayas and come right to the border of UK, UP, and BH. Instead we need to erase this border sooner than later.

we need to fence all Indian territory period

erasing of borders is insanity or people proposing these preposterous ideas do not have India's supreme national interests at heart or they are dyed in the wool commies in the soreass mold

every nation has defined borders. Name one that does not, even the canadian border is defined legally

we are a stupidly soft state with a vulnerable underbelly that is exploited by outsiders and we have no sense of a singular, civilizationally defining, cultural identity that should resonate with her citizens.

This is not how India defines secularism. We have been forcibly saddled with the gora version that is not relevant to our society or our cultural ethos

this is what the effing jihadi commies, paid by the BIF, did to India when they "wrote our history", post 1947

NGOs and foreign foundations still dictate our policies. we are still ruled by white skin imports who are venerated by illiterate dumbshit and we are unable to legally handle this situation

If the borders are soft, allowing in scum and along with their treacherous ideas, it will eventually degrade and contaminate the constitution, leaving us complacent and callously uncaring.

NAC, pushed by an import, happened right in our face, RTE, the now junked communal violence bill and other anti majority legislations were rammed through. Whose agenda was it. What happened to our democracy at that point in time

we will handle the cheeni roads if and when it happens.

Roads, just like rome, are not built in a day. and they all know, that by now, we also know how to kick butt, be it cheen, paki, khalistani, or beedi or even commie

[Manish_P]

As long as we are not a Hindu rashtra, why would Nepalese want to integrate with ROI, hain jee?!

Bingo

Actually had read some years ago (in the 90s) that the Nepalese were happy they were not part of the north east due to the huge conversions allowed there by the secular indian state...

[Manish_P]

we need to fence all Indian territory period

Chetak sir, K L Dubey ji has proposed Nepal integrating into Bharat.

After that happens, we can remove the fence in between and shift it to the other side border of Nepal.

Both of you (and me) will be pleased with that right.

[rajkumar]

The US Might Try To Manipulate Nepal Into Weaponizing Its Revived Border Dispute With India

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... pute-india

The student-driven riots that were putatively sparked by the state’s banning of social media after top platforms failed to register in line with the law might be a front for ultra-nationalist extremists backed by the West in a remix of summer 2024’s Bangladeshi regime change model.

Nepal formally complained in late August after China and India agreed to resume their border trade through the Lipulekh crossing. Newly ousted Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli also brought it up during his meeting with President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the SCO Summit in Tianjin. Kathmandu lays claim to this territory and a mountainous sliver beyond per a colonial-era dispute but only rigorously began pursuing it in the run-up to summer 2020’s Sino-Indo clashes......

Interesting read and so happy that Trump & Elon dismanted USAID

[chetak]

we need to fence all Indian territory period

Chetak sir, K L Dubey ji has proposed Nepal integrating into Bharat.

After that happens, we can remove the fence in between and shift it to the other side border of Nepal.

Both of you (and me) will be pleased with that right.

Manish ji.

You know that I hold you and your views in high regard, and also not wishing to rain on anyone's parade, let me make a few observations

What is this new disease that has affected us, that of integration of other independent and sovereign states into the Hindu rashtra of India. We were brutally colonized, nepal was not. Our world views are very different and may be even unreconcilable.

If today India has told the amrikis to bugger off, it is largely because India knows what it was like to live under the colonial yoke and the harm that was done to us as a civilization. We will never allow a repeat performance of being colonized ever again, which is what the dumbfcuk amrikis are trying their darndest to do, while foolishly pretending that it is all about "russki oil"

who are we to make such proposals and why. do the nepalese clamor for this or have they ever expressed such a desire. Who is going to foot the bills of these bhooka nangas, don't we have enough bhooka nangas at home whom we should first integrate into the Indian state and uplift

do people here have any idea of what the nepalese think of Indians, they have a visceral hatred for us, just like the pakis, beedis, lankans and maldivians do when they think of India and Indians

nepal, though Hindu, is an alien society for us. They have evolved organically, and we have evolved differently but not entirely organically and certainly not as purely as the nepalis.

If they come into the Indian fold, what political and cultural power can they hope to wield here. Will they be allowed to flourish politically and what about their abrahamics. Do we have answers for them, or will they force a partition of nepal and open yet another hostile border with India.

The amrikis and the cheen are both very deeply invested in nepal, What are they going to say and do

Nepali Hindus run schools in nepal but they will not be allowed to do so in India. Will they accept the mughal dominating Indian history via NCERT, or will they insist on being taught their own history without mughals and persians

The thought of integration is simplistic but the solutions and implementations are hugely complex, maybe even beyond us

yes there are the odd nut case wagah kandle kissers but they are the extreme exceptions and not the rule.

we cannot afford such a mass ingress of outsiders, no nation can, because demography defines destiny. If parts of society pull in different directions, our own future is dead. They will affect our economy, scar the society and rekindle the caste and reservation issues with new dimensions and bring in even more divisiveness.

Huge and ancient Hindu temples are there in bali, indonesia, myanmar, whatever, These don't interest us so what's special about nepal's temples.....just asking onlee. We sometimes pray there and they sometimes pray here and then, everyone goes home

If it just an utopian desire for a Hindu "ummah", then we should see how the jihadi ummah has fared and take note

outsiders read such rubbish about "integration" on Indian websites and it really pisses them off. Just like trump royally pissed off at least two generations of unforgiving canucks

Let us quietly manage what we have in hand, and hope like hell that Modiji lives and reigns for a very long time.

[S_Madhukar]

To add to Chetakji, policy of GoI is correct to have friendly countries and neighbours where we do fair trade and end up having long term positive influence . I would want to add we need to have some strong arm influences as well but better to have locals do it themselves.

Empire building essentially gives up on that and leads to wealth hording, see the last 2 WASP empires. Specially now with so called global community etc it is difficult to expand, otherwise Han can easily expand more into SEA.
In an era of victimhood let’s not create more on our borders.

While virtual online borders are difficult to fence the ones on the ground are clear and visible and really no one goes to bed worried there is a border since it is on a map anyway ! Who wants to man frozen Himalayas we already have our half!

Finally what brand of Hindu are we? In Nepal they have mixed tribal traditions as well with animal sacrifices, buffalo meat consumption etc. Now imagine this happening in your neighbourhood. Or imagine miyas migrating to vicinity of Pashupatinath. Let’s not export our troubles to a hermit kingdom

Too much work left for us to do yet, let’s not get distracted

[Tanaji]

Looks like the ex SC judge is out and Kulman Ghising is in. That didn’t take long.

Supposedly “Gen Z” preferred a younger face. Apparently various factions are present in the group… still can’t make out if this overthrow was organic or external. Its easy to say the latter, but there aren’t tell-tale signs yet…

[A_Gupta]

On paper, Kulman Ghising seems like a decent choice.

[chetak]

Looks like the ex SC judge is out and Kulman Ghising is in. That didn’t take long.

Supposedly “Gen Z” preferred a younger face. Apparently various factions are present in the group… still can’t make out if this overthrow was organic or external. Its easy to say the latter, but there aren’t tell-tale signs yet…

Tanaji saar,

“Gen Z” is a diversion and a toolkit for the cover up

If there was no “Gen Z” in the beedi regime change, likewise in lanka, and even in India, then from where did the “Gen Z” spring from in backwoods nepal

This was a quick, premediated, well financed and comprehensively led regime change operation. Lots of USAID and soreass money involved, along with gora corporate entities

They left no time for any outside intervention, like cheen, for instance

thousands upon thousands of litres of petrol to burn down huge buildings, targeted murders and the brutal beating up of specific politicians, tens of lakhs of rioters mobilized, controlled and coordinated. Who organized and who paid.

organised prison break, and all records burned, SC burned and all records burned yet again

who was so very keen and also through to hide what

looting of high end stores in posh localities in which thousands of well dressed young girls were seen carrying away the loot

No way this is any way organic.

External forces were funding, leading, directing rampaging crowds, and targeting specific individuals and families

Only two are deeply invested in nepal, the culinary institute and the peking duck gourmet fine dine club

The peking duck gourmet fine dine club was the previous owner and oli was their manager, so why would they burn their own house down. So ergo, nepal is under a new management

There is no “Gen Z” in the boondocks, it's all a power play to keep people diverted while the big boys are duking it out about how to share the spoils and who gets to comes aboard the gravy train

Hami Nepal is the one entity who you should be looking at, and India is the target of the new management, and what they are looking for is the new zelensky who will take up residence as nepal's PM. So. animosity towards India is not merely a sufficient condition but it is also a necessary condition, just like what oli did for his cheen masters


and in all this chaos, there is a viral video making the rounds...............

Amidst this chaos, a viral video of a nepali youth praising Narendra Modi has captured regional attention. Speaking to NDTV, the young protester said bluntly: “We need a government like Modi here. If we had a leader like Modi, Nepal would have been the world’s top country.”

[sanjayc]

Lucky Bisht, former spy and NSG commando, said clearly last month (12th August) in a video interview to Navbharat Times that "exactly one month from now, you will see that the Nepal govt. will fall." He said that there is an agency behind this. This video is now going viral. So no way in hell this violence was organic or GenZ stuff.

[Manish_P]

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What is this new disease that has affected us, that of integration of other independent and sovereign states into the Hindu rashtra of India...

Has not infected me Chetak sir. With PoK also i am very clear. The land is ours, the people there have to be pushed into Pakistan.

With Nepal also i am clear - the Nepalis have not asked for integration with Bharat as far as i am aware. The supposed offer was reportedly made by their King once (and that time also it was a public revolt against the elite royals) and was rebuffed by our 'selected' PM of the time.

I don't see the logic of the then nepali king asking India to help put him back on the throne and in return offering to merge his country into India when the elected-but-not-selected Sardar was going about the process of the abolition of the princely states within India

[chetak]

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What is this new disease that has affected us, that of integration of other independent and sovereign states into the Hindu rashtra of India...

Has not infected me Chetak sir. With PoK also i am very clear. The land is ours, the people there have to be pushed into Pakistan.

With Nepal also i am clear - the Nepalis have not asked for integration with Bharat as far as i am aware. The supposed offer was reportedly made by their King once (and that time also it was a public revolt against the elite royals) and was rebuffed by our 'selected' PM of the time.

I don't see the logic of the then nepali king asking India to help put him back on the throne and in return offering to merge his country into India when the elected-but-not-selected Sardar was going about the process of the abolition of the princely states within India

Manish ji,


POK is a clear cut case for India kicking out the non rent paying, recalcitrant tenant who has forcibly occupied the land and reclaiming the family property complete with vacant possession

in 1947, neverwho was India's trump and he ruined our national aspirations and future with his commie crackpot schemes and wacko ideas

[krisna]

There were 4 regions which brithsit did not offer for spoils between India and terroistan after the nehru gandhi combo agreed.

The 4 regions are kalat(now baluchistan) Bhutan Sikkim and Nepal. Both terroistana nd India adhered to it initially.
But early 1948 terroistan gobbled up kalat .

Interestingly India surrounded 3 regions - Sikkim Bhutan and Nepal. All leaders of this region were grateful for not behaving like terroistan. We did not interfere in their rule despite India surrounding them completely.

In early 1950s The then King of Nepal wanted to merge with India is clear. But neverwho did not agree. Many books have been written on it. Former president pranab Mukherjee also mentions it - with a rider that if IG was the PM would probably have taken the offer.

neverwho also disregarded ruler of Omani king offer for Gwadar region for a price. But being a rank idoot been neverwho declined it. Terroistan immediately gobbled it.


The people of Nepal were favorbaly dispsoed towards India for long. But since the leftisist scums gained in prominence - with morachy overthrown, things are differnet with hate towards Indians worsening.

[krisna]

Hami Nepal was intially a NGO but later various factions incluidng murican folks infiltrated it.

few corrupt nepali guys from defence with corruption charges , ramon magsaysay award winner a daktar and few others are steamrolling it.
(names can be easily checked if searched - have been in the open )

IOW this is a front of culinary state or hijacked by them.

Youths are drawn towarsd it just like aap party and magsaysay winner nutterwal of india.


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Indian subcontinent has the largest youth in the entire world.

All govts not favorably disposed to uncle have been disposed worldwide.

In Indian subcontinent aslo the same has been attempted time and again.

kangludesh srilanka terrositan afghansthan maldives myanmar thailand and so on ....

muddle east has its own variety of fights wars etc etc ......

europe had lot of revoltiuoons maidan rose buldozer etc etc .


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Sergi gor is a young ambasador who can resonate with indian subcontinent youth- thinks like one. follow orders from deep state. perfect folil also as potus close buddy. Hence suitable boy for this operation of regime chnage in the biggest chunk of britshit divide lands of akhand Bharat.

ALos given the role of subcontinent youuth indirectly.

Nutterwal in india ia spent force now inside India for his role. Now the culinary institute is on look out for new face prerably youth who can resonate to topple the priest king.


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usaid was well established in its role for subversive acts. But it is gutted.

There are other well established organsiations ngos still thriving who will shouldr these acts till official govt orgs takes charge.

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beinbg super pwoer means all these are amust.

ANy challanger will try to disrupt these machinations of superpwoer and derila them. this is just one of the many power plays which will happen in the ensuing decades.

[pravula]

There were 4 regions which brithsit did not offer for spoils between India and terroistan after the nehru gandhi combo agreed.

The 4 regions are kalat(now baluchistan) Bhutan Sikkim and Nepal. Both terroistana nd India adhered to it initially.
But early 1948 terroistan gobbled up kalat .

Interestingly India surrounded 3 regions - Sikkim Bhutan and Nepal. All leaders of this region were grateful for not behaving like terroistan. We did not interfere in their rule despite India surrounding them completely.

Where does Hyderabad fall in this list?

[KL Dubey]

On paper, Kulman Ghising seems like a decent choice.

Karki was sworn in as PM, not Ghising. Bharat sarkar has welcomed this.

Initial statements from the interim PM....

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 35765.html

[Rudradev]

The problem with notions of integrating Nepal (specifically) into the Indian Union-- even if most Nepalis actually asked for it-- is that Nepal simply has not advanced far enough along the path of sociopolitical development as India has. All due respect to them, and I hope they get there, but they have a long way to go.

What do I mean?

There are essentially three phases of any postcolonial society.

First: the feudal. Whether this is under a zamindari system directly under a foreign colonial government (British India), or a zamindari system under a monarch who is a protectorate of the foreign colonial government (Indian Princely States, Nepal, Sikkim etc) the dynamics are the same. Power and wealth are concentrated under a small hereditary elite, while the majority of the population struggles to eke out a living and it's almost impossible for people to move from poor to middle class.

Second: the post-feudal. This is basically when the foreign colonial power recedes and is no longer dominant; BUT power then goes directly into the hands of a NEW feudal elite. The decision-makers of this new elite are almost always from the same social and economic class as those of the old feudal elite-- and sometimes they are handpicked as successors by the departing colonial government, e.g. the Nehru-Gandhis. They talk in terms of independence and nationhood, and in fact use the language of "socialism" and "upliftment" to maintain their monopoly on power by deluding the poor masses... but in reality they just perpetuate the old zamindari system in new guises.


In the post-feudal society, the majority of the population still struggles to eke out a living, and the ruling elite pay them lip-service once every five years or so for their votes. However, it can be slightly easier for some of the poor to move... slowly, gradually, struggling and saving over decades... into a true 'middle class' which has an independent national perspective of its own.

Another important difference between the first two stages. In the "feudal" society, many of the traditional cultural norms and institutions of the people remain intact and retain their stature as organizing pillars-- temples, festivals, rituals, mathas, dhaams etc would be an example in the Indian subcontinent. Foreign colonial powers may try to undermine some of them for political gain (e.g. the Dravidian movement, the proto-Khalistan movement in Punjab, missionary activity in Northeast India) but by and large, they retain their salience.

However, the post-feudal elite often feel threatened by traditional cultural norms and institutions, and go all out to shackle, paralyze, and eliminate them under the pretext of "secularism" and "progress".

The third phase, coming after the post-feudal society, is the nation-state society. One in which a majority of the people are no longer defined by being stuck in poverty for generations, but have economic and political aspirations of their own, both for themselves and for the country as a whole. The process of conversion to a nation-state society often involves a mass-level reconnection and restoration of the traditional cultural norms and institutions which were suppressed in feudal society and sought to be destroyed by the post-feudal elite.

In India's case, feudal society persisted up to 1947. The post-feudal society lasted from 1947 until the late 1990s. It tried to make a comeback even after that (2004-13) and is still trying... but buckling under the force of history, it has now largely given way to the nation-state society.

In all of India's neighbours (except the two cancerous Islamic ones, which are irredeemable garbage for obvious reasons)-- society has not progressed through these stages at the same pace.

In SL and Nepal, for example, the post-feudal age came decades later than it did in India and it is still dominant today.

In Nepal, the era of the kingdom lasted until around 2000, and society remained essentially feudal. The era of "Maoist" rule-- Prachanda, Oli, et al-- was in fact the post-feudal period of Nepali society. Unfortunately, it came about in a world where global superpowers used sophisticated techniques to manipulate and retard the extent of social and political development: empowering a dynastic post-feudal elite, pumping society full of venom against the traditional culture of the land, creating faultlines rife for exploitation.

Today we often hear of "Nepalis who hate India with a passion". These are, in fact, individuals from the dominant classes in Nepal's post-feudal elite. What they see in India is the Indian post-feudal elite being displaced by a true nation-state society that has gone back to honouring its traditional cultural norms and institutions. They know that those norms and institutions are largely shared with Nepal, and the thing they fear most is that Nepal will generate its own nation-state society, drawing strength from the Indian example, and displacing them from elite status in the process.

What's happening in many countries now-- Nepal and Sri Lanka especially-- is the period of extreme manthan when the people are developing aspirations contrary to the dominance of the post-feudal elite. Again, this provides a wealth of troubled waters for motivated global powers to fish in. Attempts are made to derail, antagonize, vilify, and co-opt the churning of a new aspirational populace-- trying to "influence" them using social media, establishing regime-change cells funded by Soros money, converting and radicalizing them towards Islam or Christianity-- all in the hope of controlling what kind of nation-state society emerges from the manthan.

At this stage in particular, I think it is important that India not proclaim something like an offer to merge with the Indian Union, as it will backfire. Even if extended with the best interests of Nepalis in mind, such a proclamation will be twisted by all the foreign players involved so as to cement a festering anti-India sentiment in this highly energetic, highly confused, highly agitated population.

Far better for India to shape the emerging nation-state society of Nepal on its own terms, and reconnect it with traditional cultural norms and institutions we have shared for thousands of years.

That is a job not for South Bloc, but for the Sangh.

[krisna]

There were 4 regions which brithsit did not offer for spoils between India and terroistan after the nehru gandhi combo agreed.

The 4 regions are kalat(now baluchistan) Bhutan Sikkim and Nepal. Both terroistana nd India adhered to it initially.
But early 1948 terroistan gobbled up kalat .

Interestingly India surrounded 3 regions - Sikkim Bhutan and Nepal. All leaders of this region were grateful for not behaving like terroistan. We did not interfere in their rule despite India surrounding them completely.

Where does Hyderabad fall in this list?

Ok . Needs a little more explaination.

Brithsit had both direct and indirect rule.

direct rule was by brithsit.

Indirect rule was thru the ruler of that state/region (by proxy)-- ex- Baroda,Gwalior, Hyderabad, kashmir and many more -total of around 580-600 states. many were in Gujarat(more thna 50%) - few villages/towns etc at most.

During partition ,britshit divided Akhand Bharat into 8 pieces - one by one duirng its rule.

The remaining big piece was larger India. India terroistan done deal . Britshit put spanner in its works as usual- said indirect rule states were free to do whatever they want. sardar patel did a great job of absorbing 580+states into larger India.

Some were stubborn - kashmir Hyderabad Goa(portuguese) and few others. But ultimately India won over them.

(some fun - portuguese was a nato member - but article 5 was not invoked - different post maybe in another time)

[Rudradev]

This framework I alluded to above
1) Feudal society
2) Post-feudal society
3) Nation-state society

Can be used to interpret the courses followed by nearly all countries that once had European or American colonial rulers.

One thing to note here is Islam. In Islamic countries, the "traditional cultural norms and institutions" that are otherwise suppressed in post-feudal societies, and that might otherwise serve as the organizing pillars of emerging nation-state societies, are nonexistent-- they have been replaced by Islam.

Therefore, Islamic nations can NEVER come out of the post-feudal age into the nation-state age. They do not have the structural resources of a civilized set of cultural norms and institutions to support them. Unless their people overwhelmingly reject Islam and go back to their civilized past, it can never happen.

This is key to understanding how global powers-- the neocolonialists of today-- use Islamism to control Muslim nations. They sponsor radical Islamist militias to channel public anger against the post-feudal elites who rule those nations. Thus, they can derail any aspirations of the post-feudal elites who dare to defy the agenda of Western globalist powers-- by keeping them under threat of Islamist revolt-- while also being sure that the Islamist revolt itself can never produce a true nation-state society in any Muslim country. This is exactly what happened in all the Arab Spring countries.

[pravula]

(some fun - portuguese was a nato member - but article 5 was not invoked - different post maybe in another time)

Article 5 was not invoked because of Article 6, which states

Article 6
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

I don't understand the logic of your other statements on direct/indirect.

[chetak]

Sushila Karki sworn in as interim Prime Minister of Nepal, becomes the first leader of a government in the world to be elected on Discord

[Manish_P]

....
That is a job not for South Bloc, but for the Sangh.

+1 Rudradev ji.

An extremely deep statement.

I would humbly like to say that while this is indeed a karya for the sangh, it is also the responsibility of south block to provide guidance to the governing polity of Nepal on the creations of institutions to help in their journey of transition from a feudal society to a nation state.

[A_Gupta]

It is not just the colonial powers that use Islam in that way. The post-feudal elite also use it. They recognize as the spokespersons of all Muslims only those who reject the traditional culture; and fail to protect the Muslims who are integrated. So instead of Dr APJ Kaplan as a representative of the Bharatiya Mussalman, they will rake up Aurangzeb as someone we should all admire. Or Tipu Sultan.

[A_Gupta]

+100 for the @rudradev analysis. I am convinced I mostly understand neighbor countries’ elites problems with Bharat.