Understanding New China After the 19th and 20th Congresses

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ramana wrote: 15 Jul 2025 06:48 RaviB and SS despite the outpouring of criticism of XJP he is still firmly in charge.
That's correct, ramana.
That's why I said before that the rumours of his earlier disappearance and latest speculation of him likely being replaced were just that, rumours, howsoever we all wished them to be true.

In China, protests in their hundreds (or even thousands sometimes) happen every day all over. The State, PAP and the MSS handle them effectively. Though anything is possible, the PSC is stuffed with those hand-picked by XJP and are unlikely to revolt. It is the Politburo that we have to look at for any signs of dissension, if at all. AFAIK, there is no great threat for XJP at this point though the social compact he entered into with the Chinese society of giving them xiaokang & fuqiang, look to miss the timeline or even all together, unless Trump does something stupid.
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If you follow all the various outlets that report on CCP, there is consensus that Xi is done and only reason he is still in position is that the "Elders" are figuring out who will take Xis position. Details in video like this below (and the gory details of Li Keqiang assassination plot) would never come out if Xi was still in charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSbIT-Hto1o

The Most insightful explanation of Xi Jinping and China’s Ruling Elite
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A new wave of purges has engulfed the senior leadership of China’s military, the People’s Liberation Army. Since the 20th National Party Congress in October 2022, more than 20 senior PLA officers from all four services—the army, navy, air force, and rocket force—have disappeared from public view or been removed from their posts. The absences of other generals have also been reported, which could foreshadow additional purges.

Most notably, since the fall of 2023, three of the six uniformed members of the party’s Central Military Commission, the top body of the Chinese Communist Party charged with overseeing the armed forces, have been removed from their posts. The first to fall was Defense Minister Li Shangfu, who was removed in October 2023 and expelled from the CCP in June 2024. Then, this past November, Miao Hua, the director of the CMC’s Political Work Department, which manages personnel and party affairs, was suspended for “serious violations of discipline” before being formally removed from the CMC last month. And most recently, the Financial Times reported that He Weidong, the second-ranked vice chair who has not appeared in public since early March, had been purged.


Even stranger is the fact that all three generals had previously been promoted by Chinese leader Xi Jinping; they were appointed to the CMC itself in 2022, after Xi consolidated his control over the party at the 20th Party Congress. He Weidong was even a member of the Politburo, one of the party’s top decision-making bodies, comprised of the 24 highest-ranking party leaders. And Miao and He have been described by analysts as being part of a “Fujian faction” within the PLA, because the generals had been stationed in that province at the same time as Xi and are believed to have close ties with him.
Nevertheless, it is useful to remember that Beijing has rarely waited for the right conditions before ordering the PLA into battle. In 1950, for instance, Chinese forces intervened in support of Pyongyang in the Korean War, even though China’s economy and society had been devastated by years of civil war. In 1962, the PLA attacked India, even though China’s most senior military officer had recently been purged for questioning Mao Zedong’s disastrous Great Leap Forward. And in 1979, Beijing dispatched an ill-prepared PLA to Vietnam, where Chinese troops suffered significant losses for limited political gains. Now, as then, Chinese leaders may pursue war even if the domestic economic and political conditions appear unfavorable—and even if the PLA is not ready to fight.
First, a common reason for many purges is graft. Corruption has long plagued the PLA and the CCP more broadly. Since Xi came to power in 2012, Beijing has more than doubled its defense budget in order to fund the military’s rapid modernization. This flood of new money, especially related to weapons procurement and construction projects, has increased opportunities for officers and defense industry executives to pad their budgets or skim money off the top. Before becoming defense minister, Li had been in charge of the CMC’s weapons development department, which oversees the procurement process. A few months before Li’s dismissal, both the commander and commissar of the PLA Rocket Force, and two of the commissar’s deputies, were all detained. The PLARF’s rapid expansion on Li’s watch, including the construction of more than 300 silos and the significant expansion of its ballistic missile arsenal, likely offered many opportunities for self-enrichment.

Some generals may also have been purged because they were engaging in bribery related to promotions and patronage networks. This has been a long-standing problem for the PLA: often, the most well-connected officers, rather than the most competent ones, are promoted to higher ranks. Miao, the head of the Political Work Department, oversaw personnel and appointments. If the promotions he signed off on were not strictly merit-based, it may have contributed to his undoing. Miao’s predecessor, Zhang Yang, was placed under investigation in 2017 for similar reasons. Less than two months later, he died by suicide, and the following year, he was posthumously expelled from the party.

CMC members and other senior officers may also have been removed if they were deemed to be using personnel appointments to create their own power centers, or “mountaintops,” within the PLA. Senior officers who prioritize the accrual of personal power are a liability for Xi because they create conflicting loyalties and factional tensions within the armed forces that can harm operational readiness. Because Miao and He were newly appointed members of the CMC, they may have sought to strengthen their positions at the expense of veteran members, such as the first-ranked Vice Chair Zhang Youxia, a childhood friend of Xi’s. Xi has kept Zhang, now 75, on the CMC despite the normal retirement age of 68.
this touches upon points that most commentators rarely bother to follow, if a person is purged, then the line followed is that it is simply a matter of not towing the line of the top brass, and was removed for spurious reasons, there is always a possibility that with the rapid changes in chinese society, some of those purged had indulged in a bout of self-enrichment to the detriment of the wider party interest
Finally, it’s possible that the purged senior officers committed no offense at all beyond incompetence: Xi may simply have been dissatisfied with their performance and lost confidence in their ability to lead and achieve his goals for the PLA. As Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders observed in their new book, China’s Quest for Military Supremacy, the structure of the relationship between the party and the armed forces makes it hard for Xi to trust his generals. The PLA enjoys substantial autonomy with little direct supervision, so the party must rely on the PLA to discipline itself. Moreover, the highly specialized nature of modern military affairs means that the party lacks the expertise to ensure that the PLA is meeting the party’s modernization goals.
If the CCP uncovered corruption in the weapons procurement system, for instance, the party leadership may doubt the reliability and performance of the advanced weapons systems developed and fielded over the past decade. According to U.S. intelligence, some of China’s new ballistic missiles were filled with water, not fuel, and the blast doors constructed for new silos needed to be repaired or replaced. Efforts are likely underway to review and recertify new and planned weapons systems to ensure they will function as expected, which may slow their development and deployment.


The purges also disrupt the functioning of the entire command system. The CMC, a six-member body that Xi chairs to oversee all aspects of the PLA, has 15 subordinate units.
Early the following decade, China attacked India’s forces on the two countries’ disputed border. At the time, Mao was on the back foot politically after his disastrous Great Leap Forward, an industrialization campaign in which as many as 45 million people perished in famines. Yet Chinese party and military leaders concluded that war was necessary to blunt Indian pressure on Tibet and restore stability to the Chinese-Indian border. Moreover, the attack occurred only a few years after Peng Dehuai, China’s top military officer throughout the 1950s, was purged for questioning the wisdom of the Great Leap Forward. Peng’s dismissal also led to the removal of other senior military officers who were seen as closely tied to him, shaking up the PLA high command. In this instance, China enjoyed overwhelming superiority on the battlefield, destroying Indian forces and achieving its political objectives, as India did not challenge China on the border militarily for the next two decades.
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Soon, however, everything will start to change. As the CCP elite begins the search for a leader to replace the 72-year-old Xi, China is transitioning from a phase defined by power consolidation to one defined by the question of succession. For any authoritarian regime, political succession is a moment of peril, and for all its strengths, the CCP is no exception. The last time the party dealt with the problem of political succession—when Xi took over from Hu Jintao—rumors swirled in Beijing of coup attempts, failed assassinations, and tanks on the streets. The rumors may have been unfounded, but the political drama at the top was real.

Xi’s succession is unlikely to be as catastrophic, but the prelude, execution, and aftermath of transitioning power will shape China’s foreign and domestic politics in the coming years. The United States and its allies may be tempted to exploit this internal disruption, but meddling in the process would probably backfire. Instead, they should be mindful of the fact that, in the past, fights over succession have contributed to disastrous Chinese foreign policy choices. The vacuum left by a strongman such as Xi will make succession especially challenging, potentially triggering a scramble for power and a fight over the direction of the country. Such instability in the world’s second-largest economy could ripple beyond China’s borders—particularly as China navigates its tense relationship with Taiwan.
Since the founding of the People’s Republic of China, in 1949, only one of Xi’s five predecessors stepped aside fully and willingly. Mao, the strongman founder of communist China, wielded overwhelming power and authority within the party-state apparatus and ruled the country until the day he died. Hua Guofeng, Mao’s heir, was able to hold on to power for only a few years before being pushed aside. Deng Xiaoping, the famous architect of China’s economic reforms, maintained his grip over the CCP’s most important decisions even after relinquishing his formal titles and positions. Until his health declined in the mid-1990s, Deng was said to be the most powerful man in China, even though his only formal title was honorary president of an association of bridge players. The man who succeeded Deng as paramount leader, Jiang Zemin, clung to the important post of military chief despite giving up his position as party leader, undercutting his successor, Hu Jintao. Only Hu gave up power all at once in a relatively orderly succession, to Xi, but that process was tainted by the dramatic downfall of a Xi rival and powerful Politburo member, Bo Xilai.
Here, Hua Guofeng’s story is revealing. Mao selected Hua in 1976, when Mao’s health was failing. The problem for Hua was that he was a cadre of middling status and influence within the CCP: someone whom Mao and his allies could control, and not a figure who could survive a political knife fight. Mao had written Hua a note that read, “With you in charge, I am at ease.” But even Mao’s word was not enough to keep Hua in power. In the end, he needed the military’s backing.

On the night of September 8, 1976, as Mao hovered near death, senior members of the Politburo gathered in a sickroom in the leadership compound in Beijing to pay their final respects. The chairman was no longer able to speak. Instead, he raised a frail hand and reached out to one visitor—Marshal Ye Jianying, one of the country’s most venerated military figures. Clasping Ye’s hand, Mao’s lips moved faintly, and Ye later told his colleagues that Mao instructed him to back Hua as his designated heir.

Mao’s choice to single out Ye, as opposed to the other civilian elites who would survive him, was intentional. Hua had little experience in national politics or with the military brass. When Hua’s enemies came for him, Ye and those with similar military credentials would have to decide whether to stand by him or abandon him. The head of the Chinese military was, as the sociologist Ezra Vogel has observed, the CCP’s de facto “kingmaker.”

Ye initially stood by Hua during the first assault on his leadership, which was launched immediately after Mao’s death by Mao’s wife and three radical compatriots known as the Gang of Four. With the support of Ye and other top military leaders, People’s Liberation Army troops arrested the gang. This ensured that Hua would hold on to power, but only as long as the PLA supported him. Just two years later, when Deng orchestrated a second challenge to Hua’s leadership, Ye and other military commanders sided with Deng, who had extensive social connections and personal rapport with senior military officers.


When Deng needed to bolster the standing of his chosen successors, for instance, he appointed his close ally Admiral Liu Huaqing, the father of the Chinese navy, to the Politburo Standing Committee—an unusually high promotion for a military officer that has not since been replicated.
It is tempting to think that China is so fundamentally different today that the military’s latent role in succession is the artifact of a bygone era. In reality, the military remains pivotal in China’s elite politics, and control over it will remain a key asset for future political leaders. The military does not pick leaders on its own—Xi was reportedly chosen because he beat Li Keqiang in a straw poll of current and retired civilian and military leaders—but military backing can make a leader immune to civilian challenges. Hu Jintao, for example, was considered politically weak in part because his career trajectory offered comparatively few opportunities to build personal connections to the military. When Hu entered office, he had no ties to the members inside China’s apex military organization, the Central Military Commission. In contrast, through what was likely a combination of fortuitous assignments and savvy politicking, Xi started with ties to four out of ten CMC members—a leg up that gave him the latitude to start a wide-ranging purge of rival elites and reorder the military brass. For personalist leaders such as Xi and Mao, continuous purges ensure that no rival power centers emerge and that the military stays loyal. Xi’s recent reshuffling of the CMC and the PLA shows that Xi is continuing to play this old game.
Historically, Chinese strongmen have cycled through multiple successors before making their final selection. Mao, for instance, picked Liu Shaoqi and Lin Biao as his potential heirs before casting them aside. He selected Hua only when his health was unmistakably failing. Once secure in his position, Deng followed a similar path, removing two presumed successors, CCP General Secretaries Hu Yaobang and Zhao Ziyang, before settling on Jiang Zemin.


The 1989 student-led protest movement, for instance, which led to violent repression at Tiananmen Square, began as a response to the sudden death of Hu Yaobang, the liberal leader who had been Deng’s most likely successor until Deng and other party elders removed him from his post as party secretary for being too lenient in response to an earlier wave of student protests. Hu’s death—a heart attack during a meeting of the Politburo—galvanized protesters partly because students saw a more liberal future for China slipping from their grasp. Student protesters pushing Chinese political leaders to adopt liberal reforms found tacit support from Deng’s second heir apparent, Zhao Ziyang, until Deng pushed him aside and placed him under house arrest. Jiang Zemin quietly arrived in Beijing in the middle of the protests to succeed Zhao, in part because party elites saw Jiang as someone who was ideologically palatable to all sides but a hard-liner on repressing protest.
In China, the game of political succession plays out behind the high red walls of CCP headquarters at Zhongnanhai, making it difficult for outside observers to know what to look for and what to expect. The lack of public information about CCP politics also means that while Xi is in power, he will be subjected to regular rumors that he is in political trouble. This summer, for example, word circulated that Xi is on the verge of being pushed out of office, allegedly elbowed aside by his predecessor, Hu Jintao, and his military chief, Zhang Youxia. Such rumors about Xi’s premature political demise can usually be safely discounted. The odds that China’s top leader will be removed from office are not zero, but they are exceedingly small. Yet even if these rumors are not true, they are telling; indeed, they are products of a system of government in which the dynamics of leadership succession will play an increasingly urgent role.

This time around, however, the party’s elders may sit the process out. At 82 years old, former General Secretary Hu Jintao is thought to be in poor health; in his most recent public appearance during the 2022 party conclave, he seemed to be confused as he was led off stage in a humiliating scene. Other surviving party elders are also unlikely to intervene; some, such as former premier Wen Jiabao, may lack the stature, and others, such as the retired premier, Zhu Rongji, are well past 90 years old.
If Xi dies without having picked a successor, there will be a scramble. According to the CCP constitution, the leader should be elected in a plenary session of the entire Central Committee, which has more than 200 members. Yet before this group convenes, a subset of party higher-ups, perhaps in consultation with retired leaders and military generals, would meet and essentially predetermine the outcome. A natural choice, should Xi die unexpectedly, might be Premier Li Qiang, who is 66. But there are no guarantees: a civilian with the backing of the military, security services, and enough of the Politburo could push him aside.

The best-case scenario might be for Xi to anoint a successor who is permitted to quietly build a base of power in Xi’s final years. Following the Tiananmen Square crackdown, Deng handed Jiang Zemin the formal posts of military and party chief in 1989 while Deng was aging but still vigorous. Jiang was a newcomer to both Beijing and elite politics when Deng handed him the reins. Jiang’s position, particularly his weak ties to the military, offered Deng continued leverage, and Deng used his final years to shepherd Jiang through his first years in power, insulating the novice leader from rivals while also pushing him firmly toward economic liberalism. By contrast, if Xi anoints a successor but refuses, or is unable, to allow him to build a power base, the next in line will be vulnerable to potentially chaotic leadership challenges after Xi dies—similar to what befell Hua Guofeng.

To follow the Deng model, Xi would need to select someone relatively young who can carry his agenda forward for years. He could first appoint his chosen successor to the position of head of the party secretariat, an important job that would familiarize him with the internal workings of the Politburo. And eventually, Xi may even make this person a vice chairman of the Central Military Commission to give him some experience with military affairs and the power to rule. The goal is likely for the successor to be ready to assume the top job when he is in his late 50s or early 60s.

Strikingly, none of the current members of the seven-man Politburo Standing Committee fit this profile. Li Qiang will be in his late 60s in 2027 and in his 70s in 2032, significantly older than recent party leaders when they took office. Cai Qi holds the critical position as head of the party secretariat, a steppingstone to the top job, but he is only a couple of years younger than Xi. Ding Xuexiang will be 65 in 2027, which makes him a more plausible choice, but he has never governed a province or municipality, a likely prerequisite to ensure the successor is a competent administrator. The remaining three men—Li Xi, Wang Huning, and Zhao Leji—are also too old to be likely contenders.

The larger Politburo offers some more candidates, but each comes with a big asterisk by his name. Chen Jining is the party secretary of Shanghai, a job that both Xi and Jiang held—and, at 61, one of the youngest members of the Politburo. But Chen is not a sitting member of the Standing Committee, and Xi would probably want to elevate him a few years before he took over so he could learn the ropes. (Xi was elevated to the Standing Committee five years before he became CCP general secretary.) By the time Chen was ready, he would be older than Jiang, Hu, and Xi were when they took office.

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A "Secret" Xi Jinping Letter Was Key To Improved India-China Ties: Report
New Delhi: When US President Donald Trump intensified his trade war with China earlier this year, Beijing began an outreach to India with a private letter from President Xi Jinping to President Droupadi Murmu, a Bloomberg report claims.

According to the report, which cited an unnamed Indian official as its source, Xi's letter was intended as a test of India's willingness to recalibrate ties with China. Although the letter was sent to President Murmu, the message was swiftly conveyed to Prime Minister Narendra Modi. In the note, President Xi expressed concern about any prospective US-India agreements that might harm Beijing's interests, the report claimed. The Chinese premier also named "a provincial official who would steer Beijing's efforts," the report stated.


It further added that PM Modi's government began taking the Chinese outreach seriously in June, amid its own talks with the United States over Trump's tariff threats and his claim that it was he who brokered a ceasefire between India and Pakistan following the sharp regional escalation over the Pahalgam terrorist attack in Jammu and Kashmir in which 26 people were killed.

Stung by Trump's tariffs, both India and China agreed to accelerate efforts to move beyond the 2020 border clash, pledging to renew talks over the long-standing boundary disputes, the report states.
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In the note, President Xi expressed concern about any prospective US-India agreements that might harm Beijing's interests, the report claimed.
That sounds like a threat by XI.
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A very interesting and unusual meeting by pm modi in tianjin recently, lost in midst with meeting with other big wigs, that may have gone unnoticed

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/wh ... ngNewsVerp
However, Modi's meeting with Cai Qi has garnered more attention than his bilateral summit with the Chinese President because Qi is one of the seven members of the CCP Politburo Standing Committee-- China's most powerful decision-making body-- who rarely meets foreign leaders, and usually works behind the scenes.


Cai Qi, the current first-ranked member of the Secretariat of the CCP, and the fifth-ranking member of the powerful seven-member CCP Politburo Standing Committee, serves as the director of the CCP General Office, essentially making the de facto chief of staff to CCP General Secretary Xi Jinping, who also serves as the President of China.

While Qi's official role as the director of the CCP General Office is generally not visible, it is indeed extremely important as his office plays a vital role in shaping the country's foreign policy.


The CCP General Office is considered the party's central command, tasked with disseminating decisions made by the Politburo Standing Committee, managing the leader's schedule, overseeing paperwork, and most importantly, ensuring that Xi Jinping's instructions are implemented across all ministries and provinces.

Cai Qi, as the director of the General Office, and one of the seven members of the Politburo, wields considerable influence in China's policy making, and could play a key role in building closer ties with India.

Additionally, Qi is considered a trusted close-aide of Xi Jinping, as both leaders have closely worked together in Fujian and Zhejiang. Cai Qi has also served as the CCP's Beijing chief, and oversaw the 2022 Winter Olympics. Qi's close ties with Xi means he has the power to influence the China President to improve relations with any country, including India.
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We need to bring back focus and study the new generation of leaders rising in China.
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^https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts ... ture-china

theres a recent podcast on this topic, 50 minutes long, i will wait for the transcript that will get released in a couple of days
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alright the transcripts posted so we are back in business

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts ... ture-china
And there have been very few, if any, untroubled successions in the history of the [People’s Republic of China]. So if you think about Mao [Zedong] for example—Mao first designated Liu Shaoqi as his successor, and then ended up ousting Liu Shaoqi in the 1960s in the course of the Cultural Revolution, he died. Then Lin Biao effectively becomes his successor; Lin Biao also perishes in this kind of mysterious plane crash as he's attempting to flee China after—in this case probably it's his son is trying to organize a coup, it's this very Byzantine, complicated process. And then Mao finally designates a successor, Hua Guofeng, who's only able to hold onto power for a couple of years. He's then kind of pushed aside by Deng Xiaoping, who then, Deng Xiaoping cycles through a bunch of successors. So you can sort of go on and on through the set of Chinese leaders, as we do in the beginning of the piece, and it's a problem for all of these leaders—settling on a successor and having that successor actually take power is quite tricky.
I would say that Xi Jinping—not because he has learned or not learned—actually faces a more acute set of challenges in handing over power because of the extent to which he has successfully consolidated power since taking over from Hu Jintao. And essentially the reason behind that claim is that there was a period of what you might refer to as “collective leadership” in which the balance of power amongst elites within the CCP was much more even than it was certainly under Mao Zedong and even Deng Xiaoping. Which in some ways makes the process of transitioning power between individuals more smooth. You could debate that point, but I think that's probably true. But Xi's consolidation of power essentially means that only he is going to be making most of these critical choices.
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Yeah, I think there's a question of, you know, [if] Xi Jinping had some health issue or something and had to step down suddenly, what would happen immediately? If you look at the Standing Committee, I think there are really a couple of potential people to look at. Neither of them, by the way, especially young either. One is the sitting premier, the number two, Li Qiang, who would presumably take over for Xi Jinping if we just kind of look down at who in the official party roster is number two. There's a lot of people who think, though, that Cai Qi, who is another Standing Committee member who is arguably closer to Xi Jinping, head of the Secretariat, is actually somebody who maybe wields more power behind the scenes and could take over for Xi Jinping. But neither of these men is young enough to take over for Xi Jinping in a typical succession scenario for the party, which for the last couple of leaders has involved designating a leader who is in his early 60s by the time that he takes over. Both of these men are too old to take on that role.


A potential successor in the broader Politburo is Chen Jining. Chen Jining is the party secretary of Shanghai, which by the way is the role that Xi Jinping had when he joined the Politburo. It was also the role that Jiang Zemin had when he joined the Politburo, so there's a history of party leaders from Shanghai going on to become the top leader. And Chen Jining, who is currently 61, is young enough to potentially take over in if Xi Jinping handed over, handed power, or if Xi Jinping was willing to sort of go against the recent norms that the leaders start the position in his early 60s. You could even imagine Chen Jining taking over potentially in 2032.

Yeah that was China's last major military operation. So there's one interpretation of the reasons why Deng Xiaoping entered this conflict in Vietnam, [which] was that it was at least partly to do with domestic politics and elite politics. So the conflict that China fought in Vietnam, the lead up to that was at the end of 1978. And the end of 1978 was also the period in which Deng Xiaoping is trying to push aside Hua Guofeng. Sorry, Hua Guofeng again is Mao's successor, this kind of relatively weak leader who comes in after Mao. Hua Guofeng at least initially has the backing of the PLA, who helped Hua Guofeng oust the Gang of Four in essentially an internal palace coup. They arrest the members of the Gang of Four, then Hua Guofeng gets to take over as party chairman.

Hua Guofeng is there for a couple years, but Deng Xiaoping, who has much more prestige and influence in the PLA, starts to gradually accumulate more power. Mao called Deng Xiaoping a “needle wrapped in cotton“ because he was such a powerhouse of a man. Even though he was actually quite short in stature, he was large in prestige and influence. And he was this hero of the revolution, the political commissar of the Second Field Army. So he's starting to pry power away from Hua Guofeng at the end of 1978, this critical moment during a party plenum where Deng basically starts to take over as the de facto leader of the party.

As a side note, I'll just say—Deng never becomes the party chairman, he never becomes the party general secretary, he never is the premier or president of China. He holds but one key post and that is chairman of the Central Military Commission, which should tell you something about where power resides in the Chinese system. And that is the post through which he exercises the role of paramount leader in the 1980s.

And so in the spirit of 1978, in the lead up, there's one interpretation—I mean there's some national security reasons why China might want to go into Vietnam. But there's also a set of political reasons for Deng to want to go into Vietnam. Deng wants to push aside Hua Guofeng and show that actually he, Deng Xiaoping, has control of the military and can make the military dance when he tells them to dance. The actual conflict happens at the beginning of 1979, but in the lead up to it is when Deng is starting to consolidate power, or really push aside Hua Guofeng. And he enters this conflict in Vietnam, partly against the objection of some of the PLA and the civilian leadership, who see this as a risky gambit that is not worth it. In some ways, it's proven to be true; it's not a huge battlefield success. China sort of declares it successful, but really I think most people would say—and Tyler, you can jump in here—that this was not a huge success for the PLA. It was effectively something close to a loss. But one of the reasons the party entered, arguably, is that it benefited Deng in this period of leadership transition to show that, “Hey, the PLA is going to follow my orders over the objections of others.“ Could you imagine a similar dynamic at work in other potential future conflict scenarios, whether that's in the South China Sea or across the Taiwan Strait, is a question that we're trying to raise in this piece.
I mean you have He Weidong, the vice chairman of the Central Military Commission; Miao Hua, a member of the Central Military Commission; you have two ministers of defense who've been taken down in these purges. And I mean it's pretty remarkable to see this happen. It is something that we really haven't seen, maybe since the Deng era, or you could even reach back to the Mao era maybe, depending on how you define how wide-ranging this is. And so I think there are a couple things here that I think might make me, I suppose, less pessimistic in the short run about any kind of Taiwan contingency, and make me think that maybe there are reasons that Xi Jinping wouldn't, in the short run, trust his military.

The first is if you think about these purges, I think there's probably two dynamics at work. I think one is probably ongoing corruption. If you think about—there was a set of purges in the [PLA] Rocket Force that happened. I think there might have been a number of things here, but I think probably one of the more plausible explanations for this is corruption in procurement and the lack of readiness in the Rocket Force. Maybe also, again, as a result of corruption or incompetence that made Xi Jinping dissatisfied with the Rocket Force.

When it comes to some of these other purges, particularly, I mean, I think the most intriguing ones are Miao Hua and He Weidong being taken off the Central Military Commission. These are people who are tied to Xi Jinping. They both knew Xi Jinping almost certainly in Fujian [Province] and Zhejiang [Province] when Xi Jinping was a local leader. They were group army leaders at the time. And so I think there are a couple of things at work. And I mean both of them really are related to elite politics and succession. We don't know what happened with them, but I think there's two explanations that I think are the most plausible. The first is that I think there's some evidence that Miao Hua was trying to empire-build within the PLA and kind of create a Miao Hua faction. And maybe he thought this was okay because maybe he thought a Miao Hua faction is also a Xi Jinping faction. But it does seem to be the case that people who served under Miao Hua were being promoted at higher rates than other people. I think that's suggestive that he was kind of trying to empire-build in a way that Xi Jinping might not have liked. One, because it probably degrades military readiness. Two, because factionalism in the PLA is maybe also bad for elite politics. But if you're Xi Jinping looking at somebody like Miao Hua who maybe was engaging in this sort of behavior, you have to maybe doubt some of the competence of the people that he has promoted as a member of the Central Military Commission.
The Standing Committee is stocked with people who are close to Xi Jinping's age, in their late 60s, in some cases into their 70s. But the—and the larger Politburo has some people who are a bit younger who—Chen Jining is the Party Secretary of Shanghai who is sometimes, sort of, people suggest he could be a potential successor. But he's also, as one of the younger people on the Standing Committee, he is himself also not that young, he's 61. So if you imagine that Xi Jinping is going to hand over power in 2027 to somebody like Chen Jining, okay, maybe. By the time you get to 2032, he's going to be certainly older than has been the norm in party succession. It's this sort of funny dynamic where there's nobody who’s the clear person waiting in the wings if you think it's going to be 2032. And if you think it's going to be 2027, Xi Jinping hasn't taken any of the steps to identify and cultivate a successor. He hasn't elevated someone like Chen Jining to the Standing Committee, or given him a post like head of the party secretariat, which is kind of what Xi Jinping did as an apprentice leader which helps him understand the internal workings of the party. He hasn't elevated anybody to be vice chairman of the Central Military Commission—all these things that might indicate that someone like this is a potential successor. So it's a real puzzle what the plan is and if there's any plan.



I think Xi Jinping is also taking a page from his former now incarcerated political rival Bo Xilai, who was part of the succession mess of 2012 when Xi Jinping took power. I do think that as Xi Jinping picks a successor, if the past is any guide, I would think that he's going to want to pick a successor whose political vision is closer to his own. And the trick with that is that it's hard to know—once you have relinquished power or once you “go to meet Marx,” as they say, will the successor actually follow through on this? And this partly explains a lot of the dynamics of cycling through successors of Mao, and also arguably Deng Xiaoping. Mao was never satisfied with Liu Shaoqi. He just thought Liu Shaoqi was too conservative and not radical enough. Deng cycled through two successors, both of whom he felt like were not basically hard line enough on politics; he felt like they were too liberal, too accommodating to student protestors, so he pushed aside two successors for that reason. Xi Jinping hasn't done that because he hasn't identified or cultivated potential successors, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to try to pick somebody who is close to him ideologically.

thats the end of the podcast, now google searches for the boy wonder chen jining throws up a couple of articles, all pointing to his imminent succession, posting one

https://felixonline.co.uk/articles/chen ... successor/
Among the frontrunners is Chen Jining, now Party Secretary of Shanghai and member of the CCP's politburo. Studying his undergraduate and master's in civil and environmental engineering at the elite Tsinghua University, Chen began doctoral studies at Imperial in 1989, graduating with a PhD in civil engineering in 1993. He stayed for his postdoctoral studies and as a researcher until 1997.

Returning to China in 1998, Chen spent the next 17 years at Tsinghua University, rising through the ranks of the Department of Environmental Engineering, before joining the executive body of Tsinghua as Vice President in 2006. In 2012 Chen became the President until his appointment as Minister of Environmental Protection in January 2015. Following his stint as minister, he was appointed as acting mayor of Beijing in 2017 until 2022, where he was promoted to Party Secretary in Shanghai.
And just to kind of close off an earlier line of conversation, too, every time this has happened there has—I mean each of the succession battles have involved some drama. The last one in 2012 was in some ways the smoothest succession. The Deng succession was frustrated by, in 1989 he gradually hands off power. Jiang Zemin's handing off power to Hu Jintao, Jiang kind of kneecaps Hu Jintao by not giving him the post of military leader, only gradually relinquishing that role. But then last time was the Bo Xilai incident, which as listeners will probably remember, was this extremely lurid tale of a Politburo member's wife committing murder. Bo Xilai then tries to cover it up. The police chief of the jurisdiction that Bo Xilai is governing flees to the American consulate and everything unravels. So it’s definitely, you know—past successions have been high drama.
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