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gakakkad wrote: 19 Oct 2025 18:28 ...
I don't see us-India stand off happening in our lifetime or even in our grandkids lifetime. the empire will quietly loosen its grip and try to heal itself from inside .
I would tend to agree but I feel a change in demographics in both countries during the next 50 years (kids/grandkids lifetime) might lead to some interesting possibilities... If we are still there, we shall see. Hope for the good, prepare for the bad.
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As an aside, the funniest thing I read was about American evangelical groups (of the type that support Trump) wanting to send missions to Mexico to convert the Catholics there to Christianity.
Why is that funny?!!! Protestants want to convert Catholics to their denomination(s). LDS and Baptists do run huge evangelical organizations all over the world. Mexico is right across the border.
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Not going to change Maga crowd. Only thing that can change them is the economy. That too in a drastic way.
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A_Gupta wrote: 19 Oct 2025 08:17 Shashi Tharoor misunderstands the diaspora—we are not proxies for India in the US
India deserves a stronger voice on the global stage. But, expecting Indian Americans, increasingly under attack from both ends, to continue sacrificing and paying for it is not a sound strategy.
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gakakkad wrote: 19 Oct 2025 16:52 ^ She has some identity issues. HAF while having an overall + role has largely been insufficient.
Haf and cohna both helped get Gavin newsome veto the khalistani bill . Credit when it's due .
I think we need many more organizations in the us across the political spectrum .
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Besides haf and cohna I can't think of any other Sanatani organization of note in political spear. Iskon has played minor political roles from time to time but usually in local politics.
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Agree with Gakakkad ji's assessment. She (and her organization, HAF) is currently treading a fine line between representing Hindu's interests in the US and aligning with political parties. She may be sympathetic towards India, but, professionally, she has nothing to do with India, and may prefer it stay that way forever (unless GOI sends few millions to HAF). By responding to Tharoor's comments, which come across as controversial, she and her organization took a free ride and made itself more relevant (in the US, in the mind of diaspora). In the recent times, many HAF meetings have ended with the unannounced appearances of Vivek Ramaswamy, who is seeking governor job. Whether she and organization truly believes in fighting for (a) Hindu causes (thus advocacy), (b) carry ulterior motive of influencing US based Hindus to a specific political party/ideology, and/or (c) leave room for a political/administrative career for herself, remains to be seen. Not saying it is good or bad, because political influence often works thru orgs like these, just that her comments should be seen in that light.
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williams wrote: 19 Oct 2025 23:39 Not going to change Maga crowd. Only thing that can change them is the economy. That too in a drastic way.
MAGA crowd (and the liberal crowd) may or may not change, I think its mostly irrelevant.

For the next federal legislative election (2026), it will be a mix of economic and "social" issues at local, state, and national level. The 50-odd "swing seats" in house and senate will decide the majority, and it will be the "undecided/flexible" voters that determine the results. These seats are spread out in many states, so local/state level issues are probably more important than "MAGA-versus-liberals" and are hard to predict.

For the next federal executive election (2028), its basically < 1 million "undecided/flexible voters" in 7 swing states that dictate the outcome, plus the turnout in these states. That's all. In a two-party system with electoral vote, the inevitable has occurred: the federal executive is almost completely determined by the "same" < 1 million people in the "same" 7 states every four years.
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chanakyaa wrote: 20 Oct 2025 16:06
A_Gupta wrote: 19 Oct 2025 08:17 Shashi Tharoor misunderstands the diaspora—we are not proxies for India in the US
India deserves a stronger voice on the global stage. But, expecting Indian Americans, increasingly under attack from both ends, to continue sacrificing and paying for it is not a sound strategy.
...
gakakkad wrote: 19 Oct 2025 16:52 ^ She has some identity issues. HAF while having an overall + role has largely been insufficient.
Haf and cohna both helped get Gavin newsome veto the khalistani bill . Credit when it's due .
I think we need many more organizations in the us across the political spectrum .
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Besides haf and cohna I can't think of any other Sanatani organization of note in political spear. Iskon has played minor political roles from time to time but usually in local politics.
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Agree with Gakakkad ji's assessment. She (and her organization, HAF) is currently treading a fine line between representing Hindu's interests in the US and aligning with political parties. She may be sympathetic towards India, but, professionally, she has nothing to do with India, and may prefer it stay that way forever (unless GOI sends few millions to HAF). By responding to Tharoor's comments, which come across as controversial, she and her organization took a free ride and made itself more relevant (in the US, in the mind of diaspora). In the recent times, many HAF meetings have ended with the unannounced appearances of Vivek Ramaswamy, who is seeking governor job. Whether she and organization truly believes in fighting for (a) Hindu causes (thus advocacy), (b) carry ulterior motive of influencing US based Hindus to a specific political party/ideology, and/or (c) leave room for a political/administrative career for herself, remains to be seen. Not saying it is good or bad, because political influence often works thru orgs like these, just that her comments should be seen in that light.
This is mostly futile. Hindu organizations in USA need to focus on religion, i.e. spreading the "eternally good news" and bringing people to dharma. "tamaso ma jyotirgamaya". Just sitting there and saying "oh, we don't convert anyone" is not going to cut it.

For politics, go to grassroot/local levels where there is a large enough concentration of Hindus. Seeding a large number of such "nuclei" across the country is the path forward, in which religion and politics go together.

Indian-American BS fellows like Ramalingam should drop their defensive attitude and tell people that prophets and books come and go, but everyone will eventually become a Sanatani.
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Regarding a rare earths agreement with Australia
Trump mentioned that the agreement with Australia “has been negotiated over a period of four or five months” and added, “In about a year from now, we’ll have so much critical mineral and rare earths that you won’t know what to do with them. They’ll be worth about $2.”
https://www.chosun.com/english/world-en ... VWKJQBBBE/

Going by this from August, it will be at least 2030 before the new supply comes on stream.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgm2z91mvlvo
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The US has no China strategy, no policy and no theory of success
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editor ... 2003845819
Harvard University professor of government Graham Allison, a doyen among international-relations academics, said that “in the game of supply chain poker, China holds the high cards” and Trump has come to realize that he does not. (The metaphor is cheeky, since Trump likes to bully others for not holding “the cards.”)

Cooper disagrees. “I don’t think the Chinese have all the cards,” he told me. “We have cards, we just haven’t been willing to play them.” For example, the US could cut Chinese banks out of dollar transactions in global financial markets, which is, in its context, as asymmetric as blocking exports of rare earths. (Most US banks don’t care about losing access to renminbi transactions, but Chinese banks “would fold,” Cooper said.)

One problem is that the White House has recently fired a lot of the China experts who have the deep technical knowledge to find and use such levers. One example is former US deputy assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs David Feith, who was pushed out for political reasons — or “Loomered,” in the argot, a reference to far-right activist Laura Loomer’s habit of publicly targeting and harassing officials deemed ideologically impure — just as the confrontation with China heated up.
Another problem is that Trump’s remaining advisers are at one another’s throats over what the US even wants out of China. Ryan Fedasiuk, an adjunct assistant professor in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University, describes three main camps: The economic nationalists love tariffs for their own sake. The hard-power realists care more about keeping China inferior to the US technologically and militarily. The transactional restrainers view tariffs and other measures merely as tools to extract concessions, such as a Chinese clamp-down on the chemicals used to make fentanyl. Meanwhile, Trump seems to be all over the map.

That is what it means to have no strategy. The Trump administration has not answered, or seemingly even asked, fundamental questions, small or large, specific or general: Does the US want to attract Chinese investment, or to decouple the two economies? Does it want to sell its best semiconductors and software, or to hog them?

More broadly, does the US want to keep China down, or share with it the burden of restoring order and peace in the world, from Ukraine to the Middle East? Is Taiwan (or the South China Sea, for that matter) a vital US interest to be defended, or a mere bargaining chip? Is China an adversary the US will have to fight and defeat one day, or a difficult but unavoidable partner?
“I just don’t think that the Trump folks believe you need a strategy to do things,” Cooper told me. Their narrative is that Trump is a “master negotiator, walks into the room, decides where he has leverage, uses it and walks out,” Cooper said.

The problem is that the Chinese have prepared for this showdown for a long time, and their rare earths are just the start. They believe that they are “running circles around the Trump team. They feel really confident,” Cooper added.
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Posted here solely because of the last quoted line:
Wake up, babe! Another young Republican operative just had his insanely racist text messages leaked.

But the latest guy in the barrel isn’t some random right-wing apparatchik. He’s Paul Ingrassia, Trump’s 30-year-old nominee to lead the Office Special Counsel, one of the federal government’s key internal watchdogs. In a Truth Social post from May, Trump, who has shared Ingrassia’s content dozens of times, called him a “highly respected attorney, writer, and constitutional scholar.”

He’s also quite the group-chatter. Politico reported yesterday afternoon on a set of text chains in which Ingrassia, speaking to other young GOP men, offered his opinion about Martin Luther King Jr.—the “1960s George Floyd” whose holiday “should be ended and tossed into the seventh circle of hell where it belongs”—while admitting that “I do have a Nazi streak in me from time to time.” Other comments about the merits and demerits of various population groups piled up from there:

“We need competent white men in positions of leadership . . .”

“The founding fathers were wrong that all men are created equal.”

“Blacks behave that way because it’s their natural state. . . . “

“All of Africa is a shithole, and will always be that way.”

“Never trust a chinaman or Indian.”
From:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-golden ... demolition
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I actually commend people like these young Republicans for their honesty. They aren't saying anything that the vast majority of white Americans don't already believe (but simply prefer not to express) about other ethnicities, including Indians.
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As long as Indians, NRIs and PIOs have no illusions about where they stand with these folks.
From the far left, PIOs in America are a part of the racist structure of oppression - they are “white-adjacent”.
From the far right, Indians are, well, intensely hated.
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The Korean newspaper quotes the Wall Street Journal which says that the MoUs the Japanese and Koreans have signed with Trump are unsustainable.

My reading is that the Japanese and Korean governments so far have exhibited the backbone of jellyfish. Total vassals of the US. As sovereign and independent as the rajahs and nawabs installed by the British Raj. And even their own criticism of this American imperialism is borrowed from America! Count me as totally unimpressed by these two countries. If China says “boo”, they will fold just as easily.

https://www.chosun.com/english/world-en ... VI5WH5YHM/
The editorial also noted that while the Trump administration’s announcement appears to be a “success,” the story changes when examining the memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Japan, where details have already been finalized.

The U.S.-Japan MOU specifies that direct investment funds in the U.S. will be invested in sectors “deemed to promote economic and national security interests,” such as metals, energy, artificial intelligence, and quantum computing. Additionally, the Trump administration will establish a “special purpose vehicle (SPV)” for each investment project, selected and controlled by the president or a manager designated by the president.

This intergovernmental investment is vastly different from the form of private corporate investment, such as Taiwanese semiconductor company TSMC’s decision to build a semiconductor factory in Arizona.

Under the MOU, Japan must invest 183 billion U.S. dollars annually until 2028, an amount equivalent to 4.4% of Japan’s GDP. Japan must pay the required funds within 45 days of each investment project proposed by the U.S., and failure to comply could result in higher tariffs.

In this intergovernmental investment deal, Japan holds a “limited partner” status. Until Japan recovers its initial investment of 550 billion U.S. dollars, profits will be equally split at 50% each, but after recovering the investment, the U.S. will take 90% of the total profits.

The editorial, however, diagnosed that the promised investment amounts are so massive that Japan must pay 4.4% annually, and South Korea must pay 6.5% of its GDP (based on 2024, 1.75 trillion U.S. dollars) annually for three years, adding, “Japanese and South Korean officials answer to voters and legislators. It’s hard to believe that Japan’s new Prime Minister, running a minority government, will write these checks to a foreign government on these terms.”

If this is enforced, as Commerce Secretary Lutnick cynically remarked on the 11th of last month, “Japan would have to ‘completely blow up its financial statements,’ but it would have to fulfill this promise through massive borrowing.”

The WSJ noted that Japan spends 1.8% of GDP on defense and South Korea 2.3%, and suggested that, rather than being forced to pour two to three times as much into Trump’s funds, both countries would be better off increasing their defense spending. The editorial asked, “Where are they going to come up with the money?”
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So the orange monkey has decided to sue DOJ for a cool quarter billion dollars of your and my tax dollars. Oh, what a monkey!
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orangutan has no qualms where the money comes from... oh wait .. :((
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Via the Taipei Times:
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/ ... 2003846007
The US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on Wednesday approved a draft bill designed to enhance Taiwan’s military capabilities and diplomatic ties with the US.

The Providing Our Regional Companions Upgraded Protections in Nefarious Environments Act, or PORCUPINE Act, would streamline the process of arms sales to Taiwan by designating the nation as a “NATO plus” partner.

In addition to the PORCUPINE Act, the committee approved by voice vote 17 bills, including the Deter PRC Aggression Against Taiwan Act, the US-Taiwan Partnership in the Americas Act and the Taiwan International Solidarity Act, US Senator Chris Coons said, calling Wednesday the most productive day the committee has had in years.
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I am told this is potentially a huge problem, but I cannot claim to understand it.

October 15, 2025
The Cross-Border Trail of the Treasury Basis Trade
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/ ... 51015.html
Recent regulatory data collections on hedge funds indicate a massive increase in Cayman Islands hedge fund exposures to U.S. Treasury securities over the last two years, corresponding to a simultaneous surge in hedge funds' Treasury cash-futures basis trade positions (the "basis trade").1 While other data sources, including Coordinated Portfolio Investment Survey (CPIS) data, confirm this rise, statistics from official U.S. Treasury International Capital (TIC) data do not show a significant increase in Treasury securities held by Cayman Islands hedge funds.

This note examines the magnitude and implications of potential underreporting of U.S. Treasuries owned by Cayman-domiciled hedge funds in the TIC data, which are the primary source of cross-border securities and banking data in the U.S. By combining various data sources, we find that hedge fund basis trade positions are dominated by hedge funds domiciled in the Cayman Islands, and that this activity is not well captured by the TIC data. As a result, the TIC data appear to severely undercount Cayman-domiciled hedge funds' holdings of U.S. Treasuries by around $1.4 trillion as of the end of 2024, presenting a major impediment for researchers, policy makers, and other data users seeking to analyze cross-border flows and their effects on the U.S. economy and financial markets. The TIC data are also a key data source for the Financial Accounts of the United States – Z.1 (Financial Accounts), which provides a unique framework for studying both Treasury market dynamics and household balance sheet developments. Mismeasurement of Treasury exposures in the TIC data directly affects Financial Accounts measures of transactions and positions of Treasury market participants and indirectly affects measures of personal saving and household net worth.
Furthermore, after adjusting Cayman-owned Treasuries in TIC for the estimated undercount of roughly $1.4 trillion, the Cayman Islands is in fact the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities—holding significantly more than China, Japan, and the United Kingdom, the largest 3 holders currently displayed in Treasury's "Major Foreign Holders" table.
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At the White House:

Q: On the pardon of Changpeng Zhao, Binance has significant business interests with World Liberty Financial, the president family's crypto company. How do you respond to criticisms that this is a corrupt act?

LEAVITT: I would respond and say the president is exercising his constitutional authority
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A_Gupta wrote: 24 Oct 2025 09:37 At the White House:

Q: On the pardon of Changpeng Zhao, Binance has significant business interests with World Liberty Financial, the president family's crypto company. How do you respond to criticisms that this is a corrupt act?

LEAVITT: I would respond and say the president is exercising his constitutional authority
This Changpeng Zhao, by the way, has been appointed a Strategic Advisor to the "Pakistan Crypto Council" (which, at last count, had invested $60 million in the Trump-family owned World Liberty Financial corporation). I guess a criminal record is all the resume buff he needed for that job.
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Any understanding of why Trump is cutting back on cybersecurity?

CISA’s international, industry and academic partnerships slashed
The latest round of sweeping layoffs could hamper the business community’s collaboration with the beleaguered cyber agency.

https://www.cybersecuritydive.com/news/ ... al/803433/
The Trump administration has effectively closed the division of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency that coordinates critical infrastructure cybersecurity improvements with states and local governments, private businesses and foreign countries.

Sweeping layoffs in mid-October eliminated almost all 95 employees in CISA’s Stakeholder Engagement Division (SED), four people familiar with the matter told Cybersecurity Dive. After the cuts take effect in early December, they will leave three of the division’s four units without any staff: Council Management, which convenes meetings between government agencies and the operators of U.S. critical infrastructure; Strategic Relations, which partners with and supports small businesses, academic institutions, nonprofit groups and state and local governments; and International Affairs, which coordinates meetings and information sharing with other countries and helps train their cyber experts.
While CISA will continue working with infrastructure operators on cyber and physical security, the SED cuts could strain those relationships by eliminating longstanding collaboration mechanisms that business leaders have praised as highly valuable. The layoffs are also likely to further isolate CISA from its academic and international partners, potentially depriving the U.S. government of valuable expertise.
Meanwhile, the elimination of the International Affairs team could dramatically weaken the U.S. government’s foreign cybersecurity partnerships. ….

Many of those projects emerged from diplomatic agreements signed by U.S. presidents and foreign heads of state, making them high-profile examples of the U.S.’s security commitments to its international allies. Now, all of that work has stopped.
India:

U.S. Consulate Pursues Cybersecurity Center of Excellence in Pune (2024)
https://in.usembassy.gov/u-s-consulate- ... e-in-pune/

AI summary:

India and the U.S. have established several cybersecurity agreements, with a recent focus on combating cybercrime through a 2025 MoU that facilitates cooperation between their respective law enforcement agencies. Other agreements and initiatives include the Framework for the U.S.-India Cyber Relationship (2016), the Initiative for Critical and Emerging Technologies (ICET) (2022), and cooperation on critical infrastructure protection and cybersecurity information sharing.
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https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/19 ... 9676047594
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President Trump says, “Maybe we‘ll pay off the $35 trillion U.S. debt in crypto”
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Trump had promised about the Monica Lewinsksy Donald J Trump ballroom (news conference on July 31, 2025):
"It won't interfere with the current building. It won't be. It'll be near it but not touching it. And pays total respect to the existing building which I'm the biggest fan of."
The man simply cannot speak a truth. Lying for him is as necessary as breathing.
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@uddu ji,

https://www.history.com/articles/white- ... ory-photos
1927: The White House Needs Work
Twenty-five years after Roosevelt’s renovation, President Calvin Coolidge received a worrying report that the White House roof was in danger of collapsing.

Not only were the trusses old, but they were being weighed down by an overstuffed attic. Over decades, the attic had become a repository for tons of paper records and discarded machinery.

Photo: President Coolidge supervises the progress of the work being done on the White House, March 15, 1927.
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> The man simply cannot speak a truth. Lying for him is as necessary as breathing.

How do you know when a politician is lying?

When his/her (HiC, KD, Warren, AOC are vying for POTUS position) lips are moving. :lol:
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NJ governor's race: DOJ to monitor Passaic polling sites



Gov. Murphy (D) has a 47% unfavorable rating. 55% think that the state is on the wrong track. 36% say taxes are the top problem. 21% say affordability is the top problem. Social issues come far later in voters' list of priority issues.
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