Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022

[Hriday]

Two points

1) Brahmos is a much more versatile & lethal missile thank Oniks - significant intellectual property was developed and deployed to make the missile versatile. Many variations: steep-dive, air-launched, ECCM, land-attack variant etc were all developed for Brahmos that was not available in Oniks

2) There was reverse-tech-transfer. Learnings from Brahmos was ported over to Oniks. The original range of Oniks was not 800 Km. Their Oniks-M variant has the 800 Km range and incorporates technologies that were learnt from Brahmos

Prem Kumar ji, thanks. But the first variant of Oniks is 600-700 km as per several sources including wikipedia. Only recently we developed 450 km range extension of Brahmos. I wonder why?

[Hriday]

https://x.com/DfIlite/status/1979103957 ... LOMMQ&s=19

As per my calculation, if their is radar on ship, let's say aircraft carrier, it's radar will most probably first detected our missile at about 300kms. Missile is flying at 6-7 mach. It will take about would need approximately 147 sec (at Mach 6). AC would cover 2.34kms.

See the DRDO poster of LR-AShM . See the previous X post by the above person to see the enhanced image. In image the missile initially travels a bit over 100 km in altitude and then quickly dive to around 50 km altitude horizontal flight till target. Also remember that Haridas had mentioned that real range would be around 2500-3000km. Link below.
https://x.com/HaridasKukkur/status/1858 ... LFZWQ&s=19

Range of 2500 to 3000 stated in infograph is correct .

So about 4 ton booster solid fuel and 700 kg main rocket.

[Y. Kanan]

Just curious: with entire threads dedicated to things like Light Tanks and Missiles, why isn't there a dedicated thread for drones? Shouldn't there be an "Indian Drone Warfare" thread?

[VinodTK]

Just curious: with entire threads dedicated to things like Light Tanks and Missiles, why isn't there a dedicated thread for drones? Shouldn't there be an "Indian Drone Warfare" thread?

Please see the following link

viewtopic.php?p=2662258&hilit=UAV#p2662258

[bala]

Indian Army to buy 2,408 Nag Mark 2 anti-tank guided missiles


https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 022210243/

In what would be a major success for indigenous weapon systems, the Indian Army is set to place a major order for 2.408 Nag Mark 2anti-tank guided missiles with 107 NAMICA tracked vehicles. The Nag Mark-2, along with the NAMICA 2 vehicle, is an advanced version of the previous system and includes a large number of changes and improvements suggested by the users. "The Indian Army is all set to place orders for 2,408 Nag Mark 2 ATGMS along with 107 NAMICA vehicles. The Defence Ministry is likely to give clearance to the Army proposal in an important meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council scheduled to be held on October 23," defence sources.

The missiles are produced by Bharat Dynamics Limited. The field evaluation trials of the indigenously developed Nag Mark 2, ATGM, which is a third-generation Anti-Tank Fire-and-Forget Guided Missile, were successfully conducted in January this year at Pokhran Field Range in the presence of senior officers of the Indian Army. During the three field trials, the missile systems had destroyed precisely all the targets, maximum and minimum range, validating their firing range.The Nag Missile Carrier version 2 was also evaluated during the trials, and after that, the entire weapon system was readied for induction into the Indian Army by the DRDO along with its production agencies.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Defence Minister Rajnath Singh have been pushing for the induction of indigenous weapon systems to promote self-reliance in military hardware. Army chief General Upendra Dwivedi has also been promoting self-reliance in the force and has been stressing the importance of homegrown weapons to fight wars of future.

[uddu]

Indian Army to buy 2,408 Nag Mark 2 anti-tank guided missiles

Ye kya hua..kaise hua..kab huaaa...

107 NAMICA MK-2 and 2400+ NAG MK-2 order soon

[Hriday]

https://x.com/Sukhwinder104/status/1978 ... Nq9-w&s=19

This technology is what could push the Astra MK2s range beyond 200 KMs. The development of Three Pulse solid rocket motors, would mean that the ER variant of the MK2 would have enough energy to hit maneuverable targets at greater range during the end Game.

The above link contains the schematic of triple pulse with indicator of time for each pulse and interval.
So the recent news about 200 km Astra being readied soon compared to the 160 km dual pulse variant is correct. There could be 2 solid fuel variants, dual or triple pulse. Source given below.

1.
https://x.com/Sukhwinder104/status/1978 ... k3tWQ&s=19
2.
https://x.com/Archit_Ch/status/19781680 ... wClUQ&s=19
3.
https://x.com/Sukhwinder104/status/1978 ... S3Ciw&s=19

[drnayar]

Indian Army to buy 2,408 Nag Mark 2 anti-tank guided missiles

Ye kya hua..kaise hua..kab huaaa...

107 NAMICA MK-2 and 2400+ NAG MK-2 order soon
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the answer is right there

as chief vitalstatistix says.. tomorrow never comes, so is soon

[uddu]

Defence News: India Finalises Landmark Rs 79000 Crore Defence Deal For Armed Forces
Defence News: India Finalises Landmark Rs 79000 Crore Defence Deal For Armed Forces

India has sealed a landmark defence deal worth Rs 79,000 crore to bolster the capabilities of its armed forces. The historic agreement includes procurement of cutting-edge weapon systems, advanced platforms, and indigenous defence equipment as part of India’s continued push for self-reliance under the 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' initiative. This is one of the largest defence acquisitions in recent years and marks a major leap in India's strategic preparedness.

With a focus on modernisation, the deal covers critical assets for the Indian Army, Navy, and Air Force, strengthening India's military edge amid growing regional tensions. Join Republic as we decode what this mega-deal means for national security, operational readiness, and India's long-term defence roadmap.

[A Sharma]

IAF’s Astra Mk3 Gandivas, capable of destruction from 350 km away, set to be battle-ready by 2030: Report

[uddu]

Report of Astra MK2 ground test successfully achieving 193km range.
Indian Defence Updates : Su-57 Inspection,Astra MK2 193 Km Test,6 Tankers Deal,AMCA Centre Fuselage

[Shameek]

Can India match China’s PL-15 in the skies? Are Indian air-to-air missiles already outgunned by Pakistan’s F-16s? Is the IAF’s Meteor on the Rafale really enough or already outranged? And what does it mean for India’s Tejas and legacy fighters?

In CTRL ALT DEFENCE episode 24, Vishnu Som answers Shiv Aroor’s burning questions on India’s air defence vis a vis air-to-air missiles. A dive deep into the growing missile gap in South Asia and what India must do to close it. From the Chinese PL-15’s jaw-dropping range to the limitations of MICA, R-77, and even Meteor, this is a candid, fact-driven discussion on how ultra long-range air-to-air missiles are reshaping modern aerial combat.

Can India’s Astra Mk2 arrive in time? Can indigenous tech hold its own?

[SSridhar]

A very good discussion, thanks for posting.

[sudhan]

The practical NEZ for the PL15 should be around 50 kms at high alt and about 15-20km for low alt maneuvering targets.

The initial ROE for IAF would've helped the PAF push for a higher probability kill shot (Taken at around 100 kms away), still gives room for evasive maneuvering and counter measures.

Once the old ROE is done away with we should be able to perform ground attack from behind a offensive line of Flankers, Fulcrums, Mirages, Rafales and Tejas flinging BVR missiles and pushing the bandits defensive..