India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Jay]

Churchill only saw Hitler as a competitor, Churchill was a bigger psychopath genocide

Ken Follet in WINTER OF THE WORLD writes that Churchill started bombing German schools killing children but Hitler resisted reciprocating for six months; & finally retaliated due to immense public pressure

Not saying that churchill is not a violent psychopath, but the book Winter of World is a fictional novel, not a historical book. Also, did not germany start the air war on britain (The Blitz) before their planned invasion across the channel?

https://libertarianism.uk/2025/06/09/wh ... ld-war-ii/

[Manish_P]

... Also, did not germany start the air war on britain (The Blitz) before their planned invasion across the channel?

https://libertarianism.uk/2025/06/09/wh ... ld-war-ii/

From the very link you have quoted...

It is a persistent claim, often repeated in print and online, that Britain bore no responsibility for launching the strategic bombing of civilians in the Second World War. This is, at best, a misleading summary of events. It contains partial truths, but the overall impression it creates—that Germany began the mutual civilian bombing campaign and Britain merely responded—is historically inaccurate. The record, when read in full, shows that Britain was the first to launch a deliberate strategic bombing raid against civilian targets in the enemy homeland during the Second World War. The German Blitz was a reaction, not a provocation.

[Vayutuvan]

@Jay saar, your inglipees teacher would be very sad.

Also, did not germany start the air war on britain Also, did Germany not start the air war on Britain?

[vera_k]

How gangs connected to India are terrorizing a California immigrant community

[Manish_Sharma]

Churchill only saw Hitler as a competitor, Churchill was a bigger psychopath genocide

Ken Follet in WINTER OF THE WORLD writes that Churchill started bombing German schools killing children but Hitler resisted reciprocating for six months; & finally retaliated due to immense public pressure

Not saying that churchill is not a violent psychopath, but the book Winter of World is a fictional novel, not a historical book. Also, did not germany start the air war on britain (The Blitz) before their planned invasion across the channel?

https://libertarianism.uk/2025/06/09/wh ... ld-war-ii/

No but Follet sticks to facts other than fictional character, as he is MA in History & he corrected himself here from his previous novel 'Jackdaws' where he had done == in Britain & Germany bombing each other's schools, but layer when pointed out he did his own research as a historian & corrected it decade later in WINTER OF THE WORLD

He had even acknowledged his mistake in one interview to french paper

If he had wrongly accused Churchill then Churchill cult (anglos of both right and left) would have buried him.

[Jay]

@Jay saar, your inglipees teacher would be very sad.

Also, did not germany start the air war on britain Also, did Germany not start the air war on Britain?

They will be crushed, I say...

[Vayutuvan]

INVESTIGATION UPDATE: Editor “Kautilya3” controls over 20% of the
@HinduAmerican page. Public revision logs show a consistent pattern: this account repeatedly restores the phrase “Hindu nationalist” in the opening paragraph — the text search engines and AI systems display.

Whenever another editor removed or softened the phrase, Kautilya3 restored it within hours, locking in a specific framing.
THREAD

Very slippery guy, this Wikipedia editor. He has a way with words. He relentlessly pushes the case for Kukis in Manipur on Wikipedia. There was an attempt at arbitration on that issue. One woman editor - who herself had a lot of experience as an editor - had complained about this non-NPV, and asked that Kautilya3 be banned permanently. That attempt failed to pass due to Kautilaya3's influence and the cotery operating out of the UK. There is a good chance that he is an Indian-origin professor in a UK university, so are his chemchas (or maybe he is one of the chemchas of Jim boy Whales). There is a good chance that he might even be getting funding from the Wikimedia Foundation for his research on top of having a dog in the fight in Manipur.

[uddu]

Indian because of the name? Those are Pseudo names you can adopt at will. You can be Mullah Vayutuvan. If he is not kicked out means he is an employed Agint, even multiple people utilizing the id to push propaganda against Hindus and India. Also they will not act against Anti-India editors. Only if they become nuisance or seems worthless for their agenda, get's the boot. Else no. Wikipedia is a platform to reinforce the western perception of the world on to the masses without any challenge along with narratives for Agint operations.

[Vayutuvan]

@uddu gaaru, I have my own reason to believe that he is an Indian-origin professor. I am almost sure who that man is IRL.

[Vayutuvan]

Indian because of the name? Those are Pseudo names you can adopt at will. You can be Mullah Vayutuvan.

@uddu gaaru, please take a look at this post of mine in AI dhaga.

viewtopic.php?p=2678704#p2678704

[Amber G.]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs charged under President Trump after the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful.
Beginning today, businesses can file claims through a new customs system.

Over 330,000 importers across 53 million shipments are expected to be eligible.

Once approved, refunds plus interest will be paid within 60 to 90 days

[KL Dubey]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs....

viewtopic.php?p=2628572&hilit=tariffs#p2628572
viewtopic.php?p=2637449&hilit=tariffs#p2637449
viewtopic.php?p=2671164&hilit=tariffs#p2671164

As predicted by "select few forum members", this entire exercise has turned out to be illegal, tiring, time-wasting, zero-revenue, wasting taxpayer dollars for government employees to do useless tasks, and draining productivity of businesses to waste time filing refund requests, etc etc.

Not to mention the tacky "press conferences" back in 2025 with poster boards listing random tariff percentages for different countries, and the seedy/amateur "negotiation" tactics with different countries. Tawdry spectacle all round.

Most importantly, this drama has catalyzed the whole world to take trade agreements to the next level (that don't include the US). Bharat showed spectacular success in FTA/PTA negotiations. Even the USMCA/CUSMA - coming up for renewal this year - could be doomed entirely or diluted to a useless agreement. All this will greatly undercut US power in global trade and there seems no looking back - unfortunate reality for our future generations here in the US.

[Amber G.]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs....

viewtopic.php?p=2628572&hilit=tariffs#p2628572
viewtopic.php?p=2637449&hilit=tariffs#p2637449
viewtopic.php?p=2671164&hilit=tariffs#p2671164

..Also as ... JCPOA is being tweeted by the stable genius..(Kid you not)

[sanjayc]

@uddu gaaru, I have my own reason to believe that he is an Indian-origin professor. I am almost sure who that man is IRL.

We need to put the fear of God in these kind traitors. India needs a Patriots Act against Indians indulging in ant-India activities abroad. Many Indians are involved in treason against the country abroad in return for jobs or money. Many professors are complicit

[uddu]

USA Opens A Portal To Refund Tariffs After Supreme Court Order, Indian Exporters Eye $12 Billion
A refund system for importers is being launched after the US Supreme Court ruled that tariffs imposed under President Donald Trump’s administration were issued without proper constitutional authority.

[uddu]

We need to put the fear of God in these kind traitors. India needs a Patriots Act against Indians indulging in ant-India activities abroad. Many Indians are involved in treason against the country abroad in return for jobs or money. Many professors are complicit

Admins should think of adding a thumbs up smiley to the list of smileys. Even thumbs up and down for a post will be great.

[bala]

A refund system for importers is being launched

This is another moronic system, the importers don't need to be refunded. The end consumer is the one who paid the tariff and the money should go back to them but How do you do that? The importers are laughing at the Supreme court directive and looking at a windfall for themselves. Courts should not interfere with the Executive otherwise we get such ridiculous rulings from Dem leaning justices. They should have stopped the tariffs and let it be that, instead they stuck their moronic thinking into refunds, etc. The US Deep state thanks the Supreme court folly.

[Amber G.]

A refund system for importers is being launched

This is another moronic system, the importers don't need to be refunded. The end consumer is the one who paid the tariff and the money should go back to them but How do you do that? The importers are laughing at the Supreme court directive and looking at a windfall for themselves. Courts should not interfere with the Executive otherwise we get such ridiculous rulings from Dem leaning justices. They should have stopped the tariffs and let it be that, instead they stuck their moronic thinking into refunds, etc. The US Deep state thanks the Supreme court folly.

Bala saar, your "Deep State" radar might need a bit of recalibration. ![ ]

A few points to consider before we dismiss the entire US legal system:

The "Moronic System" is Old News: This "moronic system" wasn't a surprise; it has been discussed right here on this forum for months. Even just before Uddu's post you just seem to have found out and quoted above :eg:

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs charged under President Trump after the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful.

Or :

• viewtopic.php?p=2678862#p2678862
  viewtopic.php?p=2628572&hilit=tariffs#p2628572
  viewtopic.php?p=2637449&hilit=tariffs#p2637449
  viewtopic.php?p=2671164&hilit=tariffs#p2671164

Not to mention, Guptaji's and others numerous posts such as <>

• We knew the mechanics of the refund portal were being built because the legal writing was on the wall. It's not a "windfall"—it’s a court-ordered return of funds collected without constitutional authority.

"Dem Leaning" Justices? : Calling this a "ridiculous ruling from Dem leaning justices" is quite a stretch. This wasn't a partisan split. It was an overwhelming ruling (8-1) that included nearly all of Trump’s own appointees. When Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett agree that the Executive overstepped its Article I authority, it’s not "liberal activism"—it’s basic Constitutional Law 101.

Deep State vs. The Law: Labeling the enforcement of constitutional limits as "Deep State stupidity" is a bit rich. The Executive Branch isn't a monarchy; it can't just levy taxes (tariffs) indefinitely without proper Congressional backing. The Court didn't "interfere"—it simply reminded the Executive that they aren't above the law.

The Logic of the Case: Having followed the arguments closely and having had the opportunity to hear Neal Katyal discuss the nuances of this case (and having chatted with him after a talk he recently gave on this subject), the brilliance of the presentation was undeniable. The logic he used in front of SCOTUS regarding the separation of powers was airtight. If one listens to the actual proceedings instead of the soundbites, the legal necessity of the refund becomes very clear.

It’s easy to blame "leaning justices," but in this case, the law actually mattered more than the politics. ![ ]

[bala]

At the end of the day, refunding things to importers is the most moronic thing deviced in the US and the US has its fair share of stupid people hugging the lower end of the gaussian curve. Giving the money back to the importers (many of whom are US deep state companies) is robbing the common aam aadmi to pay these importers a hefty fee back. All these don't matter for judicial rulings? kya bakwas are these moronic people upto, even a 12 yr old will know better than these learned justices & lawyers (who need to be replaced with a Good AI program).

[saip]

And again the OM wanted it this way. He knew who collects (even his monkey's brain) and who pays the tariffs. He knew the 'Deep State Companies" he or his friends own will get the windfall. He being the part of deep state (that is the reason for his win in 2024) he wants them to benefit - what a marvellous, true GENIUS.

BTW the additional $5 I paid for my coffee, I will never get it back. I am out of here

[Amber G.]

The US Government has begun refunding up to $166 billion in tariffs charged under President Trump after the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful.
Beginning today, businesses can file claims through a new customs system.

Over 330,000 importers across 53 million shipments are expected to be eligible.

Once approved, refunds plus interest will be paid within 60 to 90 days

Ignoring side trolling - From Bloomberg :
Bloomberg Trump Encourages Companies Not to Seek Tariff Refunds

President Donald Trump said he’d remember companies that decline to seek refunds on duties paid after the Supreme Court struck down a large swath of his tariffs.

“It’s brilliant if they don’t do that,” Trump said Tuesday on CNBC in response to a question about whether companies such as Amazon.com Inc. and Apple Inc. should request refunds on duties that have now been deemed unlawful. “If they don’t do that, I’ll remember them.”
<snip>

Meanwhile:

Total Refund Pool: Approximately $166 billion is being repaid by the U.S. government.
India's Share: It is estimated that $10 billion to $12 billion of these refunds are linked to goods sourced from India.

Who Gets the Money: Under U.S. law, the refunds are issued to the "Importer of Record"—the U.S.-based company that actually paid the duty at the border.

(Since Indian exporters cannot file for these refunds directly, their recovery of that money depends on private negotiations:

- Indian firms that "absorbed" the cost of the tariffs to keep their prices competitive are now reaching out to their U.S. buyers to claim a slice of the refund.

- The biggest impact is in textiles, apparel, and engineering goods, which made up the bulk of the affected exports.

Many bodies- EEPC India are currently advising Indian businesses on how to legally and commercially approach their U.S. partners for these payouts.

[Amber G.]

And again the OM wanted it this way...

xpost: Tim Cook is stepping down as CEO of Apple.
I wish Trump would also step down.

Of course, I’m comparing apples to oranges )

[Amber G.]

Tim Cook is stepping down as CEO of Apple.
I wish Trump would also step down.

Of course, I’m comparing apples to oranges )

Not making this up..
Trump's 'tribute' to Tim Cook:

"I was very impressed with myself to have the head of Apple calling to 'kiss my ass.'"

[bala]

Is "The We Belong" Impact Summit of 2026 a veiled attempt to fool Hindu-Americans? • Rajiv Malhotra

Is the “We Belong” Impact Summit 2026 truly about inclusion, or is it shaping a deeper narrative around identity and community influence?

In this episode, Rajiv Malhotra examines whether such platforms are being used to reframe Hindu-American identity, values, and political positioning in the West.

Are these summits genuine outreach efforts, or do they carry subtle ideological messaging aimed at influencing diaspora communities?

What does this mean for Hindu-Americans navigating cultural identity, representation, and global narratives?

A sharp, no-holds-barred analysis unpacking the intent, messaging, and long-term implications.



// soouth asian is the buzz word that US accepts. The Dumbocrat woke section is in bed with Islamists in the US. India is being squeezed btwn Puke land and BD land. Also Sri Lanka buddhists are favored instead of Hindu India.
// Cory booker another New Jersey Dumbocrat sponsored Islamophobia bill but he does not want hinduphobia, etc.
// then there is SoreAss with his funding.

[Amber G.]

US Ambassador to India Sergio Gor on Pakistan sponsored Pahalgam terror attack in India’s Jammu & Kashmir.
(While his boss hugs Munir

Ambassador Sergio Gor @USAmbIndia

On the one-year anniversary of the horrific attack in Pahalgam, we remember the innocent victims and honor their memory as we mourn with their families. The United States stands with the people of India in their fight against terrorism.

Have not heard anything from Trump or SOS.

[Vayutuvan]

// India is being squeezed btwn Puke land and BD land. Also Sri Lanka buddhists are favored instead of Hindu India.

@uddu gaaru, since we had some discussion on kautilya3, the Wikipedia editor being anti-India, another datapoint is that he and two other Wikipedia editors act in unison, supporting each other, engage in edit wars but term other editors who question them as "edit warring", revert and lock pages on India to suppress any dissent of thir anti-India stance. The other two of this trio are trangabellam and ratnahsthin. Both are Buddhist (they themselves claim that). trangabellam is in the Nethrelands while Ratnahsathin is in the UK (supposedly).

[uddu]

Vayutuvan ji, that's how it works. It's controlled in a manner to eliminate Non Western Views and Push and impose the Western World view. This is a tactic that's in work for decades. And the Admins are also choosen in such a way to keep the one's doing Western work and eliminate anyone else challenging that. Also they infuse, divide and rule tactics ideas and enforce it for youngsters to learn and follow. Kind of mind control at young age. Also utilize those to spread those narrative, that benfit them when they interfere in those countries. Pushing Mughal dominance is such a trait to undermine, the Hindu cultural and civilizational aspect of the nation. They are sowing the seeds with such articles within the nation for narratives. Be assured, that's this is a classic State project to win the narrative of the mind to dominate the media and narrative to suit their needs and to ensure the Western dominance in controlling knowledge that the west want the rest of the world to know and study and follow. Who will dismantle it and ensure the Non Western World View takes over is the question. It's not necessary that it has to be through countering their tools. It could be through ways, that makes these tools useless for the rest of the world through new innovations etc. The Advent of A.I has put a dent to this. But Western A.I will also do the same. Hence native variants that tells the stories from Non Western Viewpoints is a must.

[chetak]

For Trump-'My Friend' & For President @EmmanuelMacron -'My Dear Friend'.


at times, it's a formality & at other times, it's a heart to heart connection.


But itna obvious...............

[uddu]

https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/20 ... 7414724651
@TheNavroopSingh
Trump posts a rant on Birth Right Citizenship case on Truth Social, targets Indian & Chinese migrants.

“A baby here becomes an instant citizen, and then they bring the entire family in from China or India or some other hellhole on the planet.”

“They're also abusing it. I used to be a great supporter of Indians in India until l opened my eyes up to what's going on here. White men need not apply to jobs in the state of California. Nevermind in high tech. I don't care what your qualifications are. You're not getting a job at High Tech in California.”

“I hold all the power with the military. That's what he said to the Supreme Court. Then, sure, let them come here and drop a baby in the ninth month on the doorstep and turn 'em into an instant citizen and then bring in all the ancestors from India and from China.”

[A_Gupta]

Trump needs to reignite cultural wars to revive flagging electoral prospects.

[uddu]

https://x.com/i/status/2047314636119454097
@Being_Humor
Mood swing again.

https://x.com/ndtv/status/2047298695029506395

[chetak]

Not saying that churchill is not a violent psychopath, but the book Winter of World is a fictional novel, not a historical book. Also, did not germany start the air war on britain (The Blitz) before their planned invasion across the channel?

https://libertarianism.uk/2025/06/09/wh ... ld-war-ii/

No but Follet sticks to facts other than fictional character, as he is MA in History & he corrected himself here from his previous novel 'Jackdaws' where he had done == in Britain & Germany bombing each other's schools, but layer when pointed out he did his own research as a historian & corrected it decade later in WINTER OF THE WORLD

He had even acknowledged his mistake in one interview to french paper

If he had wrongly accused Churchill then Churchill cult (anglos of both right and left) would have buried him.

Manish_Sharma ji,


Follet is primarily a writer of pulp fiction, and he has never claimed to be otherwise. If he has "corrected" himself, it was due to market forces, audience pushback because they saw their idol being smeared, and their empire vilified.

The reaction in India would have been very different, seeing as how churchill is a reviled and hated figure here

No one could / would ever accuse follet of historical inaccuracies, the audience would merely write it off to poetic license or poetic liberty....

the britshits had little to do with the results of WWII. If it wasn't for the millions of boots on the ground from the soviets and the amrikis, backed solidly by a ginormous amriki manufacturing and resource base, the britshits would have been speaking german today, if not russian

churchill was a sly, racist, alcohol sodden, egotistical, pompous and by many reports, a mediocre politico who had the luck of being in the right place at the right time. The only thing that he had going for him was the gift of the gab.

There was little to distinguish between hitler and churchill. The nazis were exposed in large part while the role of the popes in the rise of the nazis was carefully sanitized. The britshit empire was, by far, the crueller regime, but they "fought for democracy" which simply meant that their evil deeds were deeply buried.

Again, India would never describe what the britshits did to her as "fighting for democracy", and these scum were truly genocidal looters and would have been colonial settlers in perpetuity, if they hadn't been screwed over in WWII

lootyens dilli, the present rashtrapati bhavan, and the victoria terminus train station in bombay, etc were not built because they intended to depart India. They were the symbols of global britshit power, and what it said to the world was unmistakable..... and mainly because the britshits had always intended to stay in India for ever as colonial masters

From Shelley's most famous short poem, Ozymandias,

“My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; / Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Their plan, all along, was to squeeze every drop of profit, in perpetuity, from a resource rich India, and the thought of quitting India never ever entered their thieving heads, until fate played it's trump card, leaving them no option but to cut and run.

It was the very same "Ozymandias, King of Kings" thought process that drove the violent global conquests of the britshit empire, in their greed to grab resources

for the greedy britshits, the stars aligned differently, and sunk the very boat (island) that they were so desperately trying to keep afloat.

So, in the end, even follet was constrained to change his story, so as to better fit the britshit's preferred narrative

karma onlee

[Amber G.]

Iran hits out at Trump for hellhole comment on India by a Trump supporter.

China and India are the cradles of Civilization. In fact, the #hellhole is where its war-criminal president threatened to decimate the civilization in Iran.

[Manish_Sharma]

No but Follet sticks to facts other than fictional character, as he is MA in History & he corrected himself here from his previous novel 'Jackdaws' where he had done == in Britain & Germany bombing each other's schools, but layer when pointed out he did his own research as a historian & corrected it decade later in WINTER OF THE WORLD

He had even acknowledged his mistake in one interview to french paper

If he had wrongly accused Churchill then Churchill cult (anglos of both right and left) would have buried him.

Manish_Sharma ji,


Follet is primarily a writer of pulp fiction, and he has never claimed to be otherwise. If he has "corrected" himself, it was due to market forces, audience pushback because they saw their idol being smeared, and their empire vilified.

No Chetak ji empire/Churchill gets vilified in Follet's correction actually...

a) circa 2004 in 'Jackdaws' he wrote that both britain & germany were bombing each others' schools
Doing == between Hitler & Churchill

But later by seriously historians amongst whom he still moves pointed to him that it was Churchill who started bombing german schools first, & 6 months Germans didn't payback by bombing british schools then in November under tremendous pressure & outcry by german public Hitler was forced to bombing brit schools.

This follet corrected in 2012 in his novel WINTER OF THE WORLD and accepted that Churchill started the school bombing & germany resisted paying back in same coin for 6 months.

Even he gave an interview to dome french paper/magazine.

He himself is a British

[chetak]

Manish_Sharma ji,


Follet is primarily a writer of pulp fiction, and he has never claimed to be otherwise. If he has "corrected" himself, it was due to market forces, audience pushback because they saw their idol being smeared, and their empire vilified.

No Chetak ji empire/Churchill gets vilified in Follet's correction actually...

a) circa 2004 in 'Jackdaws' he wrote that both britain & germany were bombing each others' schools
Doing == between Hitler & Churchill

But later by seriously historians amongst whom he still moves pointed to him that it was Churchill who started bombing german schools first, & 6 months Germans didn't payback by bombing british schools then in November under tremendous pressure & outcry by german public Hitler was forced to bombing brit schools.

This follet corrected in 2012 in his novel WINTER OF THE WORLD and accepted that Churchill started the school bombing & germany resisted paying back in same coin for 6 months.

Even he gave an interview to dome french paper/magazine.

He himself is a British

My point exactly, Manish_Sharma ji.


There was pushback that caused him to recant and right what they told him was the wrong


The commies in India, masquerading as "historians" have never ever recanted the BS and crap they have written about India and her Hindu civilization


do you really think that romilla thapar and her ilk do not know that they spew utter and unmitigated crap


She has tenure at some foreign university and she marches to the tune of their drummer


And the congi govts of those days past, treated them like state assets and showered them with honour, money, protected jobs and glory


JNU, jamia and AMU still turnout such cookie cutter "historians" on an assembly line basis, using public funds


And yet, the same britshit ecosystem of "historians" never ever corrected the lies and propaganda that many of their "historian" colleagues have written and continue to write about India.

and in this case it was about burnishing churchill's dented and corroded halo.

A few minor character flaws of the great man was slyly slipped in to ensure that the bigger lies and genocides were not questioned or raked up

It's all about narrative setting saar.

[Manish_Sharma]

No Chetak ji empire/Churchill gets vilified in Follet's correction actually...

a) circa 2004 in 'Jackdaws' he wrote that both britain & germany were bombing each others' schools
Doing == between Hitler & Churchill

But later by seriously historians amongst whom he still moves pointed to him that it was Churchill who started bombing german schools first, & 6 months Germans didn't payback by bombing british schools then in November under tremendous pressure & outcry by german public Hitler was forced to bombing brit schools.

This follet corrected in 2012 in his novel WINTER OF THE WORLD and accepted that Churchill started the school bombing & germany resisted paying back in same coin for 6 months.

Even he gave an interview to dome french paper/magazine.

He himself is a British

My point exactly, Manish_Sharma ji.


There was pushback that caused him to recant and right what they told him was the wrong


The commies in India, masquerading as "historians" have never ever recanted the BS and crap they have written about India and her Hindu civilization


do you really think that romilla thapar and her ilk do not know that they spew utter and unmitigated crap


She has tenure at some foreign university and she marches to the tune of their drummer


And the congi govts of those days past, treated them like state assets and showered them with honour, money, protected jobs and glory


JNU, jamia and AMU still turnout such cookie cutter "historians" on an assembly line basis, using public funds

Why would brits pushback & pressure to expose their own Churchill as: "worse than hitler"

Who has wherewithal to force anyone to dilute the evilness of Hitler compared to Churchill?

To most brits Churchill is hero..

Leftist historians would anyway never favor hitler

[chetak]

My point exactly, Manish_Sharma ji.


There was pushback that caused him to recant and right what they told him was the wrong


The commies in India, masquerading as "historians" have never ever recanted the BS and crap they have written about India and her Hindu civilization


do you really think that romilla thapar and her ilk do not know that they spew utter and unmitigated crap


She has tenure at some foreign university and she marches to the tune of their drummer


And the congi govts of those days past, treated them like state assets and showered them with honour, money, protected jobs and glory


JNU, jamia and AMU still turnout such cookie cutter "historians" on an assembly line basis, using public funds

Why would brits pushback & pressure to expose their own Churchill as: "worse than hitler"

Who has wherewithal to force anyone to dilute the evilness of Hitler compared to Churchill?

To most brits Churchill is hero..

Leftist historians would anyway never favor hitler

Haven't you heard about their colonial office Manish_Sharma ji.

and their glorious rani, who was the head of the C of E, like charlie boy is today

Leftist historians would anyway never favour hitler, because if they did, they would have had to expose the popes and their deeds, who in turn would have exposed the glorious rani and her deeds done on a global stage

running an empire mandatorily required that the goras to break a whole lot of eggs, without which the omelette of the britshit empire could never have been made. Hitler broke a few but churchill broke a whole lot more than the britshits will ever admit to

why do you think that their glorious rani declared herself the "empress of India", it was to ensure that she got the biggest share of the loot

[Manish_Sharma]

https://x.com/_TheUnknown007_/status/20 ... 06516?s=20

The problem here is not Trump, and the common idea that Trump will change after the midterm elections is just a delusion.

Midterms affect domestic bargaining, not foreign policy fundamentals. On China, Russia, and India, there is bipartisan consensus inside the Pentagon, CIA, and State Department.

Before Trump came to power, when the Biden administration was pressuring India through different means, many Indians believed that once Trump returned, things would improve. That belief itself was a delusion.

What many Indians forget is that India US relations have been declining steadily since 2020, after Galwan. It was after Galwan that the Indian government realised that the Americans ultimately wanted India to fight China. That was one of the main reasons the US supported India through investments after 2014. Their long term plan was to build India into a force capable of confronting China, while the US would fight a hybrid war in the background, similar to what it is doing today in Europe through the Russia Ukraine conflict.

Once the Americans realised after Galwan that India would not fight China on their instructions, relations began to deteriorate from their side. After that, pressure increased under the Biden administration. First came the farmer protests, then the internationalisation of the Nijjar killing, and then the unrest in Manipur. Alongside this, they destabilised India’s periphery through regime change operations.

Trump did not create this downturn. He merely accelerated a decline that had already begun after 2020. His language may appear rough and undiplomatic, but he is executing the same policy framework that the Biden administration followed toward India.

The real trigger for the sharper decline came in mid 2025, when China issued warnings over a Taiwan invasion. The Pentagon asked India to open the LAC front if Taiwan was attacked. India refused. After that refusal, the US decided to apply far greater pressure, and after that Trump suddenly started talking about Venezuela and Iran, because the idea was to disrupt Chinese energy lines first before containing it.

For India, the only viable path now, with a US China war in the near future, is to recognise that neither US hegemony nor Chinese hegemony is beneficial. The only way forward is to improve relations with Europe, Russia, and the Global South and create a third pole in this US China rivalry of unipolar hegemony.

[Rudradev]

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Mostly agree. The difference is this. The Biden Administration people played a very sophisticated game of Good Cop (Jake Sullivan, NSA) and Bad Cop (Anthony Blinken, SOS) to manipulate India. When steps were taken to undermine or pressurize India it was done quietly, away from the limelight, so that the GOI knew what was going on but most of the public was unaware. When more escalation was needed they would step it up to a level that received social media & MSM attention-- such as staging the Agro-Dalal Protests, openly accusing India of trying to assassinate Khalistanis, etc. But they always had their hand on the control to "dial it back" appropriately-- if India complied, they could decrease the pressure as an incentive without anybody losing face.

Chump on the other hand is a perpetual blunt instrument with a loudspeaker attached. There is no subtlety at all. He does not care if India loses face, he will get on Truth Social and say whatever he likes. His hangers-on, Lutnick, Navarro, etc. will likewise deliver bombastic threats in front of the global media. This produces an environment in which they lose all control over escalation. Once a challenge has been loudly and openly issued, no opponent can easily back down without the appearance of public humiliation, so that decreases or eliminates any incentive that the opponents (including India) might ever have to back down. In his own country, Modi looks like a hero for defying Chump and would look like a slavish toady for complying with Chump-- therefore the choice is easy. And the American method is less effective.

[bala]

Op Sindoor was another US instigated and china aided foray into India's defence. Op Sindoor provided India a chance to really thrash the Pukes and take away POK thereby cutting out China's land route to Pukes. A few more days of thorough destruction could have rendered the Pukes a sound thrashing. But India meekly stopped based on the request of the Pukes. India needed to occupy land area thereby establishing its legitimate right over its own land usurped by Pukes and Chinese. This weakness in the polity and higher decision makers is costing India untold issues dealing with the likes of the US and China.