J & K news and discussion

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 06 Oct 2010 23:58

Jarita wrote:Latest speeches by media blue eyed boy

http://www.groundreport.com/World/Acces ... St/2929627

WT* is wrong with this guy?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Oct 2010 00:06

On his way out!

Father Abdullah to replace son Omar in January

A few months ago I had said this at start of unrest as Omar is not competent to run J&K.

Father Abdullah to replace son Omar in JanuaryPunjab Newsline Network
Wednesday, 06 October 2010
By Bashir Assad

SRINAGAR: The stage is all set in Jammu and Kashmir for change of guard and Union Minister for Renewable Energy Dr. Farooq Abdullah is likely to replace his son in January 2011 as Chief Minister of the State.

Sources close to father and son duo said that Farooq Abdullah has expressed his willingness before the Congress leadership at centre to take charge of the Jammu and Kashmir National Conference-Congress coalition government.

It merits a mention here that UPA chairperson Sonia Ghandi and Prime Minister Dr. Man Mohan Singh Day had conveyed their unhappiness over the decimal performance of Omar Abdullah led coalition government to Dr. Abdullah on September 14 when the Prime Minister hinted at the “government deficit” in Jammu and Kashmir. After government of India decided to send an All Party Delegation to Kashmir, National Conference President, Dr Farooq Abdullah, met Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and UPA chairperson, Sonia Gandhi on September 16, following which he categorically stated that Omar Abdullah would continue as chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir and he was not going to resign. However, the insiders maintain that Dr. Farooq Abdullah has offered himself for the Chief Minister ship of the sensitive state following severe criticism to his son Omar Abdullah by the central leadership. Highly placed sources revealed that Omar Abdullah has to step down in January subject the improvement in ground situation in Kashmir which is on fire since Jun 11 following the killing of a 17 year old boy by the security forces in Srinagar city.

It was also learnt that the members of All –Party Delegation that visited the state in the third week of September have all in one voice recommended ouster of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah stating that the young chief minister has failed in providing a good governance to the state and that it was the mishandling of the situation by him that led to such a large scale public outpouring in Kashmir Valley.

On the other hand, young Congress leaders in Delhi supporting Omar Abdullah’s continuation have also doubled their efforts of save Omar abiyan. Reports reaching here said that Sachin pilot who is also brother-in-law of Omar has called on senior NC leader Muhammad Shafi Uri in New Delhi on October 2 to know about the feelings of the senior NC brigade about Omar Abdullah. The two leaders had a three hour long meeting, and Shafi, it was said, has conveyed Sachin that there was no change in Omar Abdullah’s attitude even after three months of political upsurge in Kashmir. “ Omar has not learnt from the mistakes of the past and there was no change in his behavior” the sources quoted Shafi as saying to Sachin. However, the senior congress leadership had made its mind to replace Omar in January or as and when the situation comes to normal in Kashmir.

The sources in National Conference maintain that Raja Sabha Member of the party Ghulam Nabi Ratinpori will be asked to vacate his seat paving way for Omar Abdullah in the parliament wherefrom he will be subsequently accommodated in the union cabinet. The proposal was discussed both by the NC leadership and was presented before the Congress leadership at centre for approval by Dr. Farooq Abdullah in his September 16 meeting with UPA chairperson Sonia Ghandi and Prime Minister Dr. Man Mohan Singh. It was learnt that some members of the All-party Delegation that visited Jammu and Kashmir between 20th and 23rd September have started their deliberations with both NC and Congress leaders to workout modalities for change of guard in Jammu and Kashmir. sources said there was one-on-one meeting between CPI leader D Raja and NC heavy weight Shafi Uri in New-Delhi on October 3. Muslim leader and MP from Hyderabad Assadudin Uwaisi is understood to have met several congress leaders and NC president Dr. Farooq Abdullah in New-Delhi.

Back home, senior NC brigade including state Finance Minister Ab. Rahim Rather, Shafi Uri, Choudery Ramzan, Ajay Sadotra, Sajad Kichloo, Sharif-u-din Shariq, Javaid Raina, Khalid Najeeb Suhrawardy have vehemently advocated change of guard in the state.

Taking into account the negative impact of Omar led government on ground and the views expressed against him by his own party men, the centre has decided to show him exit in January.

So incompetency is being promoted! Having messed up J&K, he is going to be in Union Cabinet! But alteast keeps him out of trouble.

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 07 Oct 2010 00:18

Displaced Kashmiri Hindu children led a huge demonstration in Washington

http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.a ... 286&SKIN=W

Scores of young displaced Kashmiri Hindu children led a huge demonstration organized by Overseas Friends of Bharatiya Janata Party (OFBJP) outside Indian Embassy in Washington DC on October 2, 2010 to protest the Government of India's Kashmir policy and PM Dr. Manmohan Singh’s recent proposal of granting autonomy to Kashmir. The children expressed their deep anguish at the continued neglect of their legitimate aspirations of dwelling in the land of their forefathers. These children born to the parents who were ruthlessly hounded out of Kashmir by the fundamentalist Islamic terrorists about 20 years ago, vociferously condemned the deprivation of their cultural roots, civilizational heritage, traditional practices and rituals; right to live in their ancestral homeland.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Oct 2010 01:12

abhishek_sharma wrote: WT* is wrong with this guy?

Nothing is wrong. He is just watching out lest he get a knock on his door in the middle of the night from ISI.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Oct 2010 09:53

Wrong to blame AFSPA for Kashmir unrest: Air Chief to Barkha Dutt

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/w ... ief/167850

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2010 10:58

ramana wrote:On his way out!

Father Abdullah to replace son Omar in January

A few months ago I had said this at start of unrest as Omar is not competent to run J&K.

Father Abdullah to replace son Omar in JanuaryPunjab Newsline Network
Wednesday, 06 October 2010
By Bashir Assad

SRINAGAR: The stage is all set in Jammu and Kashmir for change of guard and Union Minister for Renewable Energy Dr. Farooq Abdullah is likely to replace his son in January 2011 as Chief Minister of the State.

Sources close to father and son duo said that Farooq Abdullah has expressed his willingness before the Congress leadership at centre to take charge of the Jammu and Kashmir National Conference-Congress coalition government.

It merits a mention here that UPA chairperson Sonia Ghandi and Prime Minister Dr. Man Mohan Singh Day had conveyed their unhappiness over the decimal performance of Omar Abdullah led coalition government to Dr. Abdullah on September 14 when the Prime Minister hinted at the “government deficit” in Jammu and Kashmir. After government of India decided to send an All Party Delegation to Kashmir, National Conference President, Dr Farooq Abdullah, met Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and UPA chairperson, Sonia Gandhi on September 16, following which he categorically stated that Omar Abdullah would continue as chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir and he was not going to resign. However, the insiders maintain that Dr. Farooq Abdullah has offered himself for the Chief Minister ship of the sensitive state following severe criticism to his son Omar Abdullah by the central leadership. Highly placed sources revealed that Omar Abdullah has to step down in January subject the improvement in ground situation in Kashmir which is on fire since Jun 11 following the killing of a 17 year old boy by the security forces in Srinagar city.

It was also learnt that the members of All –Party Delegation that visited the state in the third week of September have all in one voice recommended ouster of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah stating that the young chief minister has failed in providing a good governance to the state and that it was the mishandling of the situation by him that led to such a large scale public outpouring in Kashmir Valley.

On the other hand, young Congress leaders in Delhi supporting Omar Abdullah’s continuation have also doubled their efforts of save Omar abiyan. Reports reaching here said that Sachin pilot who is also brother-in-law of Omar has called on senior NC leader Muhammad Shafi Uri in New Delhi on October 2 to know about the feelings of the senior NC brigade about Omar Abdullah. The two leaders had a three hour long meeting, and Shafi, it was said, has conveyed Sachin that there was no change in Omar Abdullah’s attitude even after three months of political upsurge in Kashmir. “ Omar has not learnt from the mistakes of the past and there was no change in his behavior” the sources quoted Shafi as saying to Sachin. However, the senior congress leadership had made its mind to replace Omar in January or as and when the situation comes to normal in Kashmir.

The sources in National Conference maintain that Raja Sabha Member of the party Ghulam Nabi Ratinpori will be asked to vacate his seat paving way for Omar Abdullah in the parliament wherefrom he will be subsequently accommodated in the union cabinet. The proposal was discussed both by the NC leadership and was presented before the Congress leadership at centre for approval by Dr. Farooq Abdullah in his September 16 meeting with UPA chairperson Sonia Ghandi and Prime Minister Dr. Man Mohan Singh. It was learnt that some members of the All-party Delegation that visited Jammu and Kashmir between 20th and 23rd September have started their deliberations with both NC and Congress leaders to workout modalities for change of guard in Jammu and Kashmir. sources said there was one-on-one meeting between CPI leader D Raja and NC heavy weight Shafi Uri in New-Delhi on October 3. Muslim leader and MP from Hyderabad Assadudin Uwaisi is understood to have met several congress leaders and NC president Dr. Farooq Abdullah in New-Delhi.

Back home, senior NC brigade including state Finance Minister Ab. Rahim Rather, Shafi Uri, Choudery Ramzan, Ajay Sadotra, Sajad Kichloo, Sharif-u-din Shariq, Javaid Raina, Khalid Najeeb Suhrawardy have vehemently advocated change of guard in the state.

Taking into account the negative impact of Omar led government on ground and the views expressed against him by his own party men, the centre has decided to show him exit in January.

So incompetency is being promoted! Having messed up J&K, he is going to be in Union Cabinet! But alteast keeps him out of trouble.

His imagined competency will put him back in the crucial MEA where he is likely to do the maximum damage.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Oct 2010 11:09

Kashmir should be resolved by India, Pak bilaterally : US

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 704700.cms

"Some of those very fruitful discussions occurred between the former governments of India and Pakistan," as he referred to the back channel talks between New Delhi and Islamabad when the two countries, according to media reports, were on the verge of arriving at a negotiated settlement which could not take place due to the fall of the Musharraf regime.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 07 Oct 2010 12:11

I did not find one word exceptionable in OAs speech.It is the ground reality.A fraction of the Kashmir population is 'loyal' to India in return for enormous goodies.The others are hostile/indifferent.We may kid ourselves about governance etc.Even if we sacrifice OA,it will remain a sacrifice.India will get nothing in return.FA can hold the fort for some more time.

The real problem is political Islam and everyone knows that.The Abdullahs are a chastened lot.They have enjoyed enormous power and are sober,but still they are nominal muslims.The father and son are more moderate than the orginal abdullah and know the lamp post awaiting if Islamists take over.The stalemate has to continue until porkistan's death.Cashmere has bled porkistan and should continue to bleed it until the logical outcome.

The bunkers have been removed,but if the 'azaadi' circus crosses some redlines,India will rollback the special treatment.Under the circumstances,GOI is doing its best by engaging indian political leadership with cashmere and getting some more breathing time and space.

GOI is not going to cede much,but what is wrong in chai-biskoot sessions to wear down the 'moderate fanatics' like Geelani and further radicalise the 'fanatic fanatics' making it easier to deal with them.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Oct 2010 12:36

svenkat wrote:I did not find one word exceptionable in OAs speech

There are many words/sentences which would be considered objectionable. For example:

–J&K Chief Minister, Omar Abdullah in his about 90-minutes speech in the Legislative Assembly on Wednesday said the accession of Jammu and Kashmir has taken place with India but the State has not merged with the country. “It cannot be placed at par with Hyderabad or Junagarh. The accession of Jammu and Kashmir to India has occurred under an agreement. We have not broken that agreement nor we have taken it back but you have gradually demolished it and people are aggrieved and angry for your this act. We both were required to uphold and respect the agreement.

We also agree, but it is still a fact that Jammu and Kashmir’s accession to India is under an agreement and it is not the merger. For this reason special provision has been made in the Constitution of India.

Why this distinction between accession and merger? They get more funds than they deserve. They colluded with an enemy country to bleed the hand that feeds them. After 20 years of treachery, they still have an amazing sense of entitlement.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 07 Oct 2010 12:50

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ruckus-in-jk ... ml?from=tn

The opposition legislators were protesting Abdullah's speech Wednesday where he had said Kashmir had acceded to India under an agreement and not merged with it. He had also asked why the BJP was repeatedly stating that Kashmir was an integral part of India, as it meant they had doubts about their own statement.

Omar had also asked leaders to desist from harping on the fact that Kashmir is an integral part of India.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Oct 2010 12:55

abhishek_sharma wrote:[
Why this distinction between accession and merger? They get more funds than they deserve. They colluded with an enemy country to bleed the hand that feeds them. After 20 years of treachery, they still have an amazing sense of entitlement.

This sense of being unique and different has been nurtured for long. One major war will take it away

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Oct 2010 13:10

^ They whine about the presence of army there. They should ask themselves why the army was sent there in the first place. What was happening in 1988-90? Even now we see a green-colored flag.

Some people believe that Omar Abdullah needs to say these things to survive. Everyone else is far worse. This is precisely the argument Paki, Saudi and Egyptian dictators have been offering for many years. They first create a jihadi Frankenstein and then offer themselves as the best antidote.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Oct 2010 13:57

^^^ Its like setting fire to the house and then shouting arson.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Oct 2010 14:34

Even the separatist riff-raff in cashmere know plenty well that their leeway to create trouble and arson and enjoy a get-out-of-jail-free card is limited to Obama's visit to India and no more. After that, CWG style war footing will ensue to clean up the stinking mess that has been created all over the valley. The Ikhwanis may well be the ones manning the brooms and becoming grooms to the rioters/protesters/ whatever.

Would be nice if we could somehow convince these phoren diginitary netas to not visit India for a while. Their visits often coincide with mischief that costs our security forces precious men and morale.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 07 Oct 2010 19:03

chetak wrote:His imagined competency will put him back in the crucial MEA where he is likely to do the maximum damage.

He should be given the post every failed CM gets. Railway ministry

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 07 Oct 2010 20:09

Jarita wrote:Latest speeches by media blue eyed boy

http://www.groundreport.com/World/Acces ... St/2929627

My goodness! Omar proved himself as a true heir of Sheikh Abdullah legacy. Glad that he came open on his stand. Except being a rabble-rouser, i'm not sure on what he claim as his good governance. And what is the difference between him and Mehbooba or Pakis? Visible difference is still he has not egged people to take gun and it would not be hard to say that he is just playing vote bank politics and showing he can be bigger than Mehbooba?

Had it been any such issue then entire State including Jammu, Ladakh, Kargil and rural areas of Kashmir would have been in turmoil during last three months.

That shows the utter stupidity of this wordview! Are we having only these leaders to govern? My God!

Don’t you listen or read the slogans of Quite Kashmir and Go India Go in the present law and order situation in the Valley. My being in the seat of Chief Minister has nothing to do with the agitation.
.....
Omar Abdullah warned the consequences of not addressing the political issue of the State politically and said, “don’t blame me for future consequences on this count. He said either we have to work sincerely to stop this unrest and bloodshed once for all or we will be contributing to the unabated disturbances and killings”

Very reason he is pointing out that he is not behind the agitation means that there are views expressed which hold him responsible for this agitation as good as progenitor. How come this kind of agitation happened only after he came to power. Have we not heard all these slogans before? Is he that much immature to not understand the political climate. Not surprised why his own party members doesn't like him.

So incompetency is being promoted! Having messed up J&K, he is going to be in Union Cabinet! But alteast keeps him out of trouble.

He has the attitude of 'born with the sliver spoon'. He will find trouble wherever he goes. He is of the type of asking what others has done to him rather than doing what he can to others.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Oct 2010 20:33

He has the backing of the Nehru-Gandhi cotire just as Sheikh Abdullah had. Would be interesting to know who are his current backers "young' politicians.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 07 Oct 2010 20:49

Apart from Sachin pilot and R Gandhi is there anyone mentioned?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2010 21:12

ramana wrote:
Raghavendra wrote:Pakistani SIM cards recovered from militant hideout in J&K http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_pa ... -k_1447971

Militants in Jammu & Kashmir are increasingly using Pakistani SIM cards to communicate with their leaders and Over Ground Workers (OGWs), a senior officer said today.

"Nine SIM cards, including four of Pakistan-based companies, were recovered from a Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT) hideout in Kishtwar district a few days ago," DIG Ramban-Doda-Kishtwar range Manish Sinha said.

He said the four SIM cards belonged to Pakistani mobile companies - Thoraya, Jazz, Zen and Pak Tell - and a probe was on into procurement of these SIM cards by militants.

The SIM cards have been sent to cyber experts in Jammu for extracting data regarding incoming and outgoing phone calls, numbers, identity of OGWs and top militant leaders.

The recovery of these SIM cards points towards the increasing use of Pakistani SIM cards for communicating with their top leaders across the border, cadre and OGWs, the officer said.

So how do Paki SIM cards work in India? Shouldn't those calls from Paki companies be blocked or better yet monitored? Or its beyond technology?

The faqers have powerful cell towers on their side of the border and paki signals are available in a very large number of Indian border areas.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Oct 2010 21:17

Thoraya?? should be Thuraya, the middal yeastern sat fone company.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2010 21:28

Acharya wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:[
Why this distinction between accession and merger? They get more funds than they deserve. They colluded with an enemy country to bleed the hand that feeds them. After 20 years of treachery, they still have an amazing sense of entitlement.
This sense of being unique and different has been nurtured for long. One major war will take it away

The cardinal test still remains. Would you buy a used car from this man???

The distinction exists only in his tiny hallucinating mind and are mere linguistic calisthenics to wow the country yokels.

This is similar to nixon saying "I'm not a crook." or
Clinton saying that he "did not inhale" or clinton saying again that "I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" whereas he had deposited his genetic material all over her blue dress.

These gen next babalog are prone to put both feet into their mouths while trying to manage the tensions of high office which they initially thought was just a walk in the park given their imagined genetic excellence.

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 07 Oct 2010 23:08

Guys, ive been noticing since the last few months tht all major media outles, cnn,bbc,jazeera are showing a map of india literally WITHOUT j&K. India's borders are now at punjab and himachal.... This is seriously f***ed up, can anyone over here turn mea's attention to this matter. Ive already sent a mail to BBC.
BTW, i cant find the media and psy-ops thread.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 07 Oct 2010 23:41

Omar''s statement in assembly vindication of our stand: Geelani

OA has been barking up the wrong tree for quite a while now and results have begun to show from the more pure side of the LoC. From removal of AFSPA (when army is not based in urban areas), autonomy (giving in to seperatists), more job opportunities (instead of bringing Kashmir out of its cuckoon) etc etc, wonder how long he will continue before giving resignation and putting J&K under centers rule.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Oct 2010 01:20

He is putting himself as candiate leader for future autonomous(e) Kashmir with Gilgit_Baltistan under massa protection.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 08 Oct 2010 01:42

I would cut some slack to OA. He is addressing his constituency.

If there is any fault, it is the fault of successive governments of India. None of them had the vision and courage to "merge" the state (in all levels of consciousness) with India. The blame starts from JLN, flows thru IG, PVNR, ABV, to MMS.

It is one thing to pass a parliament resolution saying "entire JK is integral part of India" and it is another thing to make the constitutional amendment to abolish A370 and remove the special status of JK.

As long as Indian constitution keeps A370, no one can question what OA (or any other JK CM) says on this topic.

This is Indian karma-phalam...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Oct 2010 01:57

Its nice to go to root cause but only after cutting the rot!

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 08 Oct 2010 03:24

My cautionary note was not to think that the "autonomy" issue had been shelved. It was merely postponed. All the pseudo-pro-independence pawns are being assembled - like Mushy being revived, Talebs entering the final phase of returning to eventual power in AFG, and Pakjab being turned over to the Paki side of the Talebs. In some sense perhaps calculations also involved the CWG, Ayodhya "case", Bihar elections etc. The pressure is on now the regime in power to deliver.

Fuel stocks need to be built up and infiltration stepped up before the winter. Hence the temporary withdrawal. Also they need to settle up the disposal of forces on the AFG front. Once the underhand negotiations are fruitful on the AFG front, the forces held up to create pressure on that side can be turned back. The time window is narrow - either from now to early November at the latest - or early spring next year.

aditya · Post by **aditya** » 08 Oct 2010 06:32

A dated article from 2009:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/kashm ... y/406263/0

Over the last six years, Omar tried his best to get out of his father’s shadow. The party not only snapped ties with the NDA, Abdullah Jr publicly apologised several times for not snapping them earlier. With pressure from the PDP’s radical politics, Omar too re-positioned the party. Unlike his father, he tried to show a reconciliatory tone towards separatists and Pakistan. He made human rights violations a party issue and even promised to upgrade its autonomy demand to “autonomy plus” which would ensure a greater role for Pakistan.

And this is from the same guy who claimed to get goosebumps or something of the sort when Jana Gana Mana plays.

Also check out the following video involving Daddy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2_QgUkMaSU

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 08 Oct 2010 09:14

ramana wrote:He is putting himself as candiate leader for future autonomous(e) Kashmir with Gilgit_Baltistan under massa protection.

Is it Kashmir that needs protection or Massa that needs protection from Kashmir? When they can't manage AFG or Waziristan, what makes it want more?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Oct 2010 14:30

How is Omar's statement correlated with the meeting between the Hurriyat Wahhabis and the US envoys?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Oct 2010 16:42

Someone on twitter was mentioning that desi big media that went all out to showcase omar's LS speech is strangely reticent about his J&K assembly wala speech only. Wonder why that is, eh?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 08 Oct 2010 17:27

it is the Congress' internal decision problem. On the one hand grooming RG (jnr) as the future "sole great leader" means that all his tantrums and political projections have to be built up as respectable and profound. This means that RG's much touted "Youth brigade" cannot be shown to have faltered or that the choices in including members to that august team were profound blunders. On the other hand the "enfant terrible"'s like Omar jar rather gratingly on more experienced political bloodhounds who keep their noses close to the ground. It is a terrible "horns of the dilemma". The Congress gameplan gets squashed either way : cleaning up and clearing the after effects of what basically promoted the Paki cause in the valley means moving Omar out of the way which means proving that RG cannot choose his allies correctly or has little or no political foresight which in turn destroys the fundamental thrust of the party's existential strategy - that of the continuity of the dynasty. On the other hand not moving the "enfant terrible"s out means losing the valley altogether which has unknown consequences for the political future of the party in the rest of the country. As the "dispute" has shown, in spite of the rashtra maintaining a whole spectrum of voices to carry out propaganda in favour of Islamists - the general population still does not play ball, and only uses the the party in a real-politik sense, and may discard like old clothes if it deviates too far.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 08 Oct 2010 23:54

Farooqs are going to be Hobson's choice for India unless and until delimitation is done in terms favourable to Jammu and Laddakh.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Oct 2010 00:07

brihaspati wrote:My cautionary note was not to think that the "autonomy" issue had been shelved. It was merely postponed. All the pseudo-pro-independence pawns are being assembled - like Mushy being revived, Talebs entering the final phase of returning to eventual power in AFG, and Pakjab being turned over to the Paki side of the Talebs. In some sense perhaps calculations also involved the CWG, Ayodhya "case", Bihar elections etc. The pressure is on now the regime in power to deliver.

This coordination is absolutely spectacular.
The wide variety of actors to sync in to create pressures across nations is mind blowing. The news media are one one step with the events to create large scale rise of Islamic jihad against all the oppressor force including Indian state.

The Islamic ummah jihad across the different countries are well coordinated. They could form a Khilafate right now. Of course they will not have a country but they could in a short time create a religious order across the entire sections of the world and change the world forever.

This recreation of the religious state and super state is the real thing to watch out in the next 50 years.

Kashmir could be part of the large super state which they are working on. This could come up in 2012 or around that time.

Kashmir valley and the taliban in the Kashmir valley are opening up at the right time when this Ummah order is rising across nation. Watch for the statement on Kashmir from Iran, Turkey, OIC etc. The fall of the Pakistan will be beginning of the new Ummah order. The western world is helping all these countries on this. China is linking up to this super Islamic state to create a gigantic alliance across the entire asia.

Pakistan will form nation less state within the Islamic ummah which will keep defending Islam across the world.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 09 Oct 2010 00:27

Acharya wrote:
brihaspati wrote:My cautionary note was not to think that the "autonomy" issue had been shelved. It was merely postponed. All the pseudo-pro-independence pawns are being assembled - like Mushy being revived, Talebs entering the final phase of returning to eventual power in AFG, and Pakjab being turned over to the Paki side of the Talebs. In some sense perhaps calculations also involved the CWG, Ayodhya "case", Bihar elections etc. The pressure is on now the regime in power to deliver.
This coordination is absolutely spectacular.
The wide variety of actors to sync in to create pressures across nations is mind blowing. The news media are one one step with the events to create large scale rise of Islamic jihad against all the oppressor force including Indian state.

The Islamic ummah jihad across the different countries are well coordinated. They could form a Khilafate right now. Of course they will not have a country but they could in a short time create a religious order across the entire sections of the world and change the world forever.

This recreation of the religious state and super state is the real thing to watch out in the next 50 years.

Kashmir could be part of the large super state which they are working on. This could come up in 2012 or around that time.

Kashmir valley and the taliban in the Kashmir valley are opening up at the right time when this Ummah order is rising across nation. Watch for the statement on Kashmir from Iran, Turkey, OIC etc. The fall of the Pakistan will be beginning of the new Ummah order. The western world is helping all these countries on this. China is linking up to this super Islamic state to create a gigantic alliance across the entire asia.

Pakistan will form nation less state within the Islamic ummah which will keep defending Islam across the world.

the prize for the western world in all this -- India?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Oct 2010 00:28

You need to think it thru. But continue the thought process

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Oct 2010 05:58

The Kashmir Package: From the Urdu Press

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-a ... t/694283/0

The eight-point package on Kashmir announced by the Centre has been generally welcomed. Rashtriya Sahara, in an editorial on September 27, writes: “The formula can be considered a positive initiative. Although the hardline group in the Hurriyat Conference has rejected it, yet it can be a cause for satisfaction for the Central government that the Mirwaiz Omar Farooq-led moderate group, and Kashmiri organisations like JKLF, have not adopted a rigid stand and instead given an indication of talks and an exchange of views among themselves, so that some clear reaction to the formula could be expressed. Also, it has been described as a good beginning by almost all political parties of Kashmir, including the PDP... The Centre has tried to give a message to the people of the state that it is serious about removing the lack of confidence with regard to security forces.”

Patna and Ranchi-based daily, Qaumi Tanzeem, in an editorial on September 28, writes: “Instead of the separatist leaders deriving some benefits from the recent visit of the parliamentary delegation, by bringing before it some solid suggestions for economic development, social stability and educational advancement in the Valley through a positive attitude, all of them adopted a totally negative posture. And now that the Centre has announced an eight-point formula for peace and stability, they have rejected it outright. This act of theirs can, in no way, be termed as constructive.” The paper has also criticised the BJP’s stand on the package.

Lucknow-based daily Qaumi Khabrein, in its editorial (September 27), describes the package as a “second healing touch, after the balm of sympathy on the wounded hearts of Kashmiris” that was the parliamentary delegation. It says: “The most important decision is the proposed panel for continuing dialogue, to be headed by a political leader... It is hoped that the government will not keep the proposed panel confined to representatives of the Congress or the UPA, but will include representatives of other political parties, and also those representing other sections of the society, particularly journalism, literature, sports, cinema, etc.”

According to the Delhi-based daily, Jadeed Khabar (September 27), “What is needed is to definitely convince the Kashmiris that their interests can be served only by their continued solidarity with India, and any type of separatist movement can only increase their problems; it can not decrease them.”

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2010 14:33

X-Posting from TSP Thread

saip wrote:
amdavadi wrote:If paquis are not around 10 years from now. What will happen to plebicite? would valley Roper would merge with pakjabi or taller than
mountain breather sitting in balwaristan?
When Bangladesh split they had more people there than the Pakis, then how come they dont have say in Kashmir?

RajeshA wrote:Yup any plebiscite would have 3 options: India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

saip wrote:No. Only India or Bangladesh.

RajeshA wrote:
saip wrote:No. Only India or Bangladesh.
You're right saip ji.

Actually Sheikh Mujibar Rehman won the Pakistani elections in 1970. He won 160 from 300 seats in the National Assembly.

So in fact Bangladesh is the true inheritor of pre-1971 Pakistani State. That means any Plebiscite in J&K can have only India and Bangladesh as the two choices.

When are we having the plebiscite by the way?

As has been established earlier, the question of UN Resolutions (e.g. U.N. Resolution 47) on J&K plebiscite is an issue between India and Bangladesh.

Pakistan is simply an illegitimate organization occupying land in J&K, which needs to be kicked out. They have absolutely no locus standi on Kashmir. The UN Resolutions talk about a different Pakistan, that doesn't exist any more and if it does then Bangladesh is the successor state.

Not the name should determine the successor state of Pakistan, but rather the determination of representativeness through democratic means.

The first acknowledgement by India of the current Pakistan as a state in its own right was made through the Simla Accord. For all other purposes and issues related to pre-Simla Accord, either India would consider any treaties and resolutions dealing with India and Pakistan as null and void; or would consider them to be applicable to India and Bangladesh, as Bangladesh would be recognized by India as the successor state of the original Pakistan.

Perhaps with Indian support, Bangladesh should try to get itself recognized as the successor state to pre-1971 Pakistan in the international community. Once this has been established. Bangladesh can choose to withdraw from the question of plebiscite in J&K, and accepts J&K's Instrument of Accession to India. The UN Resolutions on Kashmir become null and void.

Then Pakistan simply becomes an illegal entity occupying Gilgit-Baltistan and West-Jammu, in need to be kicked out.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Oct 2010 18:47

If our clown prince is also going to be like his buddy Omar Abdulla, then we are truly phucked. i have a feeling there is a reason why INC is keeping him away from posts requiring competence and responsibility.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 10 Oct 2010 19:01

Youths go to Pak on regular visa, return after LeT training http://sify.com/news/Youths-go-to-Pak-o ... idget_news

Srinagar: A new phenomenon called 'legal infiltration' is causing concerns among security agencies in Jammu and Kashmir as reports emerge that youths are visiting Pakistan on regular visas which are extended to facilitate their basic training in handling explosives and weapons.

The matter came to the fore when police apprehended one person from Budgam who had ostensibly gone across the border for meeting relatives and later extended it by another two weeks during which he underwent the "daura-e-aam" (basic) training being organised by Lashker-e-Taiba terror outfit.

During interrogation, the youth, whose identity has been kept under wraps, told the investigators that there were other youths who were using the same modus operandi to get the training facility.

In the first week, a complete religious course is imparted after which assembling of assault rifles and detonating of grenades are taught.

A senior official said that Lashker adopted this method and has been targeting educated unemployed youth in the Kashmir Valley. "We have approached the immigration officials to keep a close tab on youth who extended their visas in Pakistan and the Gulf," the official said.

There have also been mushrooming of placement agencies who offer to take youths to the Gulf for better prospects and later they are taken to Pakistan on different passports where they undergo training modules like "daura-e-aam" and "daura-e-khas", in which the recruits are trained in making improvised explosives devices and carrying out sabotage.

Then the recruits are shipped back to Gulf countries from where they travel back to India and resume their normal work and wait for orders from across the border. "They do not come with any arms or explosives but the same are provided by the terror outfit through cross-Line of Control (LoC) smuggling and infiltration," the official said.

A huge dump of arms and ammunition was also recovered in Budgam which was actually meant for such recruits. "After committing heinous crimes, these youths generally mix with the crowd," the official said.

During this year, already over a dozen cases have been detected during which it has been found that Nasir Safi Mir, an absconder and considered to be the financial brain behind moderate Hurriyat Conference, had also been involved in shipment of some youths, official sources said.